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I get the hate, and as I've said I think FC is a bit of a Rorschach test and your enjoyment might be tied to what you think the message is, and how you connect with said message.  IMO too many people took the movie to be a how-to manual, where I think it's telling us most of Tyler's actions are b.s. and reprehensible.  Just like any cult, there is a satisfactory nugget of truth and the draw of being in a group, but ultimately it goes to far. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
I get the hate, and as I've said I think FC is a bit of a Rorschach test and your enjoyment might be tied to what you think the message is, and how you connect with said message.  IMO too many people took the movie to be a how-to manual, where I think it's telling us most of Tyler's actions are b.s. and reprehensible.  Just like any cult, there is a satisfactory nugget of truth and the draw of being in a group, but ultimately it goes to far. 
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Of course it is. It's saying that happiness & contentment lies neither in the accumulation of things nor the nihilistic desire to destroy everything. It's the zen middle ground that both the Narrator and Marla realize a bit too late.

Plus...it's hilarious. And I dig the Dust Brothers' score.

 
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How did Fight Club hold up? I worry the whole Gen X/raised on TV themes, consumerism themes might not still play as well. 

 
Ilov80s said:
How did Fight Club hold up? I worry the whole Gen X/raised on TV themes, consumerism themes might not still play as well. 
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I thought very well, but a lot has to do with the look of the movie won't stale, IMO.  I also think it's still relevant because there was a similar discussion in the PSF over the last week about men In a similar context- what does that mean anymore, when is it too "toxic", etc. 

 
Mr. Mojo said:
That's a good way to put it!   :hifive:

I have had people try to explain why they love Fight Club to me and it still doesn't register.

I'm probably to much of a happy ending type of watcher. 
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Nothing wrong with the bolded. 

 It's not that we are starting from the same place and can't agree on movies, it's more that we are starting from a different place most of the time, which will lead us to vastly disagree on movies.   

 
Ilov80s said:
Lou Gossett Jr won for An Officer and a Gentleman, that was probably undeniable. Only the 3rd Black actor to win an Oscar, a powerful performance and that was the 3rd highest grossing movie of 1982 so it had all the momentum and social-cultural-popular weight behind it. O'Toole 0-7 for Oscars. He should have won for Lion in Winter IMO. I mean who is Cliff Robertson and what was Charly? I've never heard of either. 
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It’s certainly no Flowers for Algernon.  :lol:

 
wikkidpissah said:
3 of my great loves in Lola, Laundrette & The Verdict (watched that last nite too, soooo love the creaking oakiness of everything about it, esp Newman's performance), as well as a movie that was so important to me (Sex, Lies & Videotape) emotionally that i'm afraid to watch it again. Not to mention old chestnuts like Sunshine Boys (oh, the timing!) and Deep Cover (oh, the overness!). a month well spent - you must weigh in on the Ricardos & 355. will def check Munich. i suppose you need the Peacock+ to see Vigil? 
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any love for Midnight Cowboy?   Watched it again & again over the years.  music is so haunting & captures the whole deal of the movie.  Dustin Hoffman & Jon Voight.  so cool.

I give it a 10/10

 
shadrap said:
any love for Midnight Cowboy?   Watched it again & again over the years.  music is so haunting & captures the whole deal of the movie.  Dustin Hoffman & Jon Voight.  so cool.

I give it a 10/10
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Living in NYC, "hey, I'm walkin' here" is my go to crosswalk phrase.

 
shadrap said:
any love for Midnight Cowboy?   Watched it again & again over the years.  music is so haunting & captures the whole deal of the movie.  Dustin Hoffman & Jon Voight.  so cool.

I give it a 10/10
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Good call on the great soundtrack.

 
shadrap said:
any love for Midnight Cowboy?   Watched it again & again over the years.  music is so haunting & captures the whole deal of the movie.  Dustin Hoffman & Jon Voight.  so cool.

I give it a 10/10
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well, it was kind of a deal for a 15yo to get into an X-rated movie then, and i did not think this kinda real-life bit of messin' (a lot of which i didnt understand) was worth the trouble at all. didnt see it again for 30 yrs, which revised my opinion

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I think it might be more relevant. ANTIFA are just real life Fight Club Space Monkeys.
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Definitely relevant, maybe dated is a better way to phrase it? Cringe as the kids might say? The term space monkey for working people being a perfect example. Also that the movie has become the worst kind of inspiration for the worst side of people hasn't helped. I can see ANTIFA but it seems much more appealing to capital stormers, anti vaxxers, Qers. 

Payne said:
Keep seeing extreme reviews from opposite ends. Some hype it up and some claim it's too long and boring.
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It's GDT with an elite ensemble cast: Blanchett, Cooper, Mara, Collette, Dafoe, Straitharn, Jenkins, Perrlman. It's a great movie. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Definitely relevant, maybe dated is a better way to phrase it? Cringe as the kids might say? The term space monkey for working people being a perfect example. Also that the movie has become the worst kind of inspiration for the worst side of people hasn't helped. I can see ANTIFA but it seems much more appealing to capital stormers, anti vaxxers, Qers. 
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i haven't been vaxxed, and i have ZERO use for that flick. 

nor was i a capitol stormer ... and i'm not a "Q" guy, either. 

mighty broad brush we paint with - and, believe me, the movie definitely appeals more to the Antifa chumps. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Definitely relevant, maybe dated is a better way to phrase it? Cringe as the kids might say? The term space monkey for working people being a perfect example. Also that the movie has become the worst kind of inspiration for the worst side of people hasn't helped. I can see ANTIFA but it seems much more appealing to capital stormers, anti vaxxers, Qers. 
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Tyler refers to them as space monkeys because he's telling them they're "ready to sacrifice themselves for the greater good." But that's just more indictment of Tyler himself. At first he tells the Narrator to unplug from the system and now he's set himself up as the head of the new system? Queue up Won't Get Fooled Again.

And yes, I was thinking that my response also should have included something like The Proud Boys in addition to ANTIFA. Any empty headed nihilist who thinks civilization has wronged them and simply needs to be torn/burned down would suffice.

That those kind of people don't realize that the movie is satirizing them is kind of a delicious irony to me. Although I think its influence on them in the first place is wildly overstated - like the influence of all movies is.

Anyway, IMO, if you're watching Fight Club with Tyler Durden as the hero - you don't get the story at all.

 
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Wgaf which party's extreme members the movie might appeal to?  

At the end of the day, I would guess the movie unfortunately tapped into some people's thinking that Tyler's methods were right, cool, whatever.  Like any other entertainment, the blame for that is the person, not the movie.  My opinion is that the movie doesn't present those actions as just, and in a rare agreement with Andy about a movie for me I think the movie is suggesting the middle ground is where you should end up.  

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Tyler refers to them as space monkeys because he's telling them they're "ready to sacrifice themselves for the greater good." But that's just more indictment of Tyler himself. At first he tells the Narrator to unplug from the system and now he's set himself up as the head of the new system? Queue up Won't Get Fooled Again.

And yes, I was thinking that my response also should have included something like The Proud Boys in addition to ANTIFA. Any empty headed nihilist who thinks civilization has wronged them and simply needs to be torn/burned down would suffice.

That those kind of people don't realize that the movie is satirizing them is kind of a delicious irony to me. Although I think its influence on them in the first place is wildly overstated - like the influence of all movies is.

Anyway, IMO, if you're watching Fight Club with Tyler Durden as the hero - you don't get the story at all.
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Agree 100%  

 
KarmaPolice said:
Wgaf which party's extreme members the movie might appeal to?  

At the end of the day, I would guess the movie unfortunately tapped into some people's thinking that Tyler's methods were right, cool, whatever.  Like any other entertainment, the blame for that is the person, not the movie.  My opinion is that the movie doesn't present those actions as just, and in a rare agreement with Andy about a movie for me I think the movie is suggesting the middle ground is where you should end up.  
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:hifive:

Fight Club doesn't glorify violence any more than Taxi Driver did. It satirizes and ridicules it. The characters are presented as pathetic more than heroic.

Having said that - I really didn't like Taxi Driver. Probably because it was so humorless.

 
KarmaPolice said:
Wgaf which party's extreme members the movie might appeal to?  
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IGAF, pal ... i certainly didn't initiate it, but i'm not gonna stand by and have my choice not to be vaxxed be lumped into the cute little "kook" boxes you all love to check off. 

in that context, i'll challenge it. 

 
otb_lifer said:
IGAF, pal ... i certainly didn't initiate it, but i'm not gonna stand by and have my choice not to be vaxxed be lumped into the cute little "kook" boxes you all love to check off. 

in that context, i'll challenge it. 
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I really wouldn't read that much into what he said.

Choosing to not get one specific vaccine doesn't put one in the anti-vax category. He was referring to those who think all vaccines are bad & some sort of government conspiracy to give women lupus, stunt children's mental ability, and sterilize men. That sort of thing.

 
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otb_lifer said:
i haven't been vaxxed, and i have ZERO use for that flick. 

nor was i a capitol stormer ... and i'm not a "Q" guy, either. 

mighty broad brush we paint with - and, believe me, the movie definitely appeals more to the Antifa chumps. 
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 Are you unvaccinated or are you anti-vaccine? There is a difference. Also, I see the movie more of framing as "ANTIFA" being the mindless supporters who just go along with whatever society and the government say-the defenders of the big corporate media agenda. Tyler is trying to lead people out of that. That's more my literal reading of the movie minus the satirical as mentioned. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
If really wouldn't read that much into what he said.

Choosing to not get one specific vaccine doesn't put one in the anti-vax category. He was referring to those who think all vaccines are bad & some sort of government conspiracy to give women lupus, stunt children's mental ability, and sterilize men. That sort of thing.
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fair enough ... but we all know it's connotations these days, let's be honest. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I really wouldn't read that much into what he said.

Choosing to not get one specific vaccine doesn't put one in the anti-vax category. He was referring to those who think all vaccines are bad & some sort of government conspiracy to give women lupus, stunt children's mental ability, and sterilize men. That sort of thing.
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Yes, thank you. I am talking about the fringe people who see everything as some conspiracy. 

 
Ilov80s said:
 Are you unvaccinated or are you anti-vaccine? There is a difference. Also, I see the movie more of framing as "ANTIFA" being the mindless supporters who just go along with whatever society and the government say-the defenders of the big corporate media agenda. Tyler is trying to lead people out of that. That's more my literal reading of the movie minus the satirical as mentioned. 
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:hifive:

unvaccinated. 

 
Maybe I should rewatch it, it has admittedly been 20 years. I just didn't really care for it at the time (probably a result of too much hype as well) and time has only made the taste in my mouth worse given just how nuts our society is today.

 
Ilov80s said:
 Are you unvaccinated or are you anti-vaccine? There is a difference. Also, I see the movie more of framing as "ANTIFA" being the mindless supporters who just go along with whatever society and the government say-the defenders of the big corporate media agenda. Tyler is trying to lead people out of that. That's more my literal reading of the movie minus the satirical as mentioned. 
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Well yes and no. I watch it as sort of a modern day retelling of Animal Farm.

"I trust that every animal here appreciates the sacrifice that Comrade Napoleon has made in taking this extra labour upon himself. Do not imagine, comrades, that leadership is a pleasure! On the contrary, it is a deep and heavy responsibility. No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"

 
Ilov80s said:
Sorry if I offended. Not my intention. 
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np, i got more of your drift from your second post, which shone a better light on your opinion. 

and, yeah, unvaxxed can be a different kettle o'fish than ANTI-VAXX, but that gets lost in the white noise of all this.  

no offense taken, 80s.

btw, how do you view Clockwork's message some 50 years affter it's fact?

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Tyler refers to them as space monkeys because he's telling them they're "ready to sacrifice themselves for the greater good." But that's just more indictment of Tyler himself. At first he tells the Narrator to unplug from the system and now he's set himself up as the head of the new system? Queue up Won't Get Fooled Again.

And yes, I was thinking that my response also should have included something like The Proud Boys in addition to ANTIFA. Any empty headed nihilist who thinks civilization has wronged them and simply needs to be torn/burned down would suffice.

That those kind of people don't realize that the movie is satirizing them is kind of a delicious irony to me. Although I think its influence on them in the first place is wildly overstated - like the influence of all movies is.

Anyway, IMO, if you're watching Fight Club with Tyler Durden as the hero - you don't get the story at all.
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I agree that the anti-capitalism and satire of masculinity is certainly what Pitt, Norton and Fincher were aiming for. Maybe it's a sign of a great film (or maybe not) but I think it's a Rorschach for almost any kind of fringe belief. Of course you are right that it's just a movie but there is certainly a sphere of men who view this as a sort of Biblical text about how the alpha male is being snuffed out by a feminist society. I would say that kind reading of Durden as the hero is how most people read the movie- especially it's biggest fans. Maybe this is tainted by my age. Fight Club was a huge "dorm room" movie during my HS- young adult years and almost everyone I knew who loved it, loved it for the wrong reasons. 

I know Taxi Driver was brought up before and I can see the similarities but I do think Bickle is a much less cool, charismatic character. It's much easier to see that he's not well. 

otb_lifer said:
np, i got more of your drift from your second post, which shone a better light on your opinion. 

and, yeah, unvaxxed can be a different kettle o'fish than ANTI-VAXX, but that gets lost in the white noise of all this.  

no offense taken, 80s.

btw, how do you view Clockwork's message some 50 years affter it's fact?
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I like Clockwork Orange. No doubt many young males saw it and just loved the violence without thinking much more about it. I am not sure if it had anything to be misinterpreted, more just a lack of any interpretation. It's themes might be too subtle for a 14 year old: the indistinguishable nature of the far right and far left, the importance of free will, criticism of behavioral psychology, the absence of value and morality in a society forced to surrender. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Maybe I should rewatch it, it has admittedly been 20 years. I just didn't really care for it at the time (probably a result of too much hype as well) and time has only made the taste in my mouth worse given just how nuts our society is today.
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Especially since it's been that long, I would be really curious on your 2022 take of the movie.   I've talking about how disappointed I've been in a lot of the movies I used to hold up in high regard, but FC seemed to be the exception to the rule from my 90s binge of the last month.    Like I said, a good bit is Fincher's direction and the fact that the movie still looks and sounds great.   Part is Pitt is still hot as hell.  Last part is I think the discussion I think it's trying to have is still very much relevant.   

 
Clockwork was complete satire of social engineering. Except for a coupla lunatics and enlivening Halloween parties for a few years, it had no effect.

Fight Club is Sex & the City for latchkey boys. Total wish fulfillment. in this case - excuse me, do you happen to have anywhere i can invest my undifferentiated rage in this powerless age?  Few entertainments have better captured the.......wait for it.......zeitgeist.

 
wikkidpissah said:
Clockwork was complete satire of social engineering. Except for a coupla lunatics and enlivening Halloween parties for a few years, it had no effect.

Fight Club is Sex & the City for latchkey boys. Total wish fulfillment. in this case - excuse me, do you happen to have anywhere i can invest my undifferentiated rage in this powerless age?  Few entertainments have better captured the.......wait for it.......zeitgeist.
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Are you saying that Fight Club had that much more of a widespread effect?   

It feels that most of the distain of the movie has less to do with the movie and more to do with the few knuckleheads that some of us knew that probably took it too seriously.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
Are you saying that Fight Club had that much more of a widespread effect?   

It feels that most of the distain of the movie has less to do with the movie and more to do with the few knuckleheads that some of us knew that probably took it too seriously.  
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but that's the key. YOU'RE the reason i watched FC. had skipped it in its time was gonna continue that way, then you & i got into it on several occasions about my impression that your gen's entire culture was based on media being your babysitter and y'all's investing way too much in that mythmaking. never seen you spit fire like you did at me and folks dont usually dig in against me, so i had to know more. the natural first step was to watch FC, but even i had no idea how much of a reflection it was of where y'all were at. between boomer bull#### & media carpetbombing, you guys were all heroed up with no real heroes. so you built your own, like the Droogies of Clockwork. personally powerful and personally ####ed up, but with a tactile effect on the world. unfortunately, media was advanced enough by then to be tracking your every step and coming up with product to hijack that undifferentiated rage & ennui for fun & profit so they got you coming & going. now, nobody knows the dif.

it'll be later in the afternoon before i can respond - have to leave for some errands but am interested in your view on this.

 
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