redman
Footballguy
Agreed that the Pro Bowl ballot is not definitive. For the first two years of his career when he played H-back for Gibbs, Chris Cooley was listed as a FB, despite never lead blocking on a running play the way a FB does.
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Didn't mean to stir up too much of a hornet's nest, but I was reminded of this issue yet again when Castillo's name showed up on the draft list. MFL has shown no interest in keeping the DE/DT designations correct. It may be easier to leave things that way, but it's no different than the Colston WR/TE issue IMO. In the vast majority of cases -- I don't know that, despite all on-field facts to the contrary, that I'd be able to argue a successful case against Bryan Thomas -- MFL can be proven clearly wrong on the DL positional designations.
If they haven't corrected Castillo nearly two full years after he was drafted, there isn't much hope for future improvement. Leaving MFL responsible is fine, but it's a gaping loophole IMO.
If they haven't corrected Castillo nearly two full years after he was drafted, there isn't much hope for future improvement. Leaving MFL responsible is fine, but it's a gaping loophole IMO.
it might just take someone sending MFL an email to get Castillo's position switched.
lord_helmet
Footballguy
Actually I'm pretty sure that if someone took the time to write their support staff and provided a link from the official SD web site, they would go ahead and change it. http://www.chargers.com/team/depth-chart/
I think thats what happened with Ellis this past season.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Yeah, I've done this before.
Maybe you all should get ready for a large number of players switching positions soon... 
lord_helmet
Footballguy
Thomas is a lost cause I think untill the Jets PR department changes their depth chart to reflect the 3-4. Who else you got ?Yeah, I've done this before.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Draft in progress...Thomas is a lost cause I think untill the Jets PR department changes their depth chart to reflect the 3-4. Who else you got ?Yeah, I've done this before.
I'm just interested in the feelings of this league since it's been a bone of contention in another league of mine. You can stroll through the player lists at MFL; if you have a decent knowledge of defensive players and alignments (and I know you and most in this league do) they are clearly evident.Thanks for the discussion guys. I'll stop throwing monkeywrenches into the thread, I promise.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Actually, I'll shut up altogether. After lord_helmet's question, I went back and looked. MFL has adjusted nearly every player we had to discuss during last season. 
The list of players manually adjusted by our commish last year was long -- and nearly all (except Castillo) have been corrected in the past month.
Nice job MFL.
The list of players manually adjusted by our commish last year was long -- and nearly all (except Castillo) have been corrected in the past month.
Nice job MFL.
redman
Footballguy
16th round's in the house:
Code:
16.01 Will Grant Hobson, Victor NYJ LB 5:16:35 a.m. 16.02 Nick Chadick Dawkins, Brian PHI S 5:16:35 a.m. 16.03 Ben Bregitzer Copper, Terrance NOS WR 6:33:45 a.m. 16.04 Derek Tonn Smith, Musa BAL RB 6:33:45 a.m. 16.05 Brian Smith Delhomme, Jake CAR QB 7:19:38 a.m. 16.06 Carlos Rodrigues Draft, Chris CAR LB 7:19:38 a.m. 16.07 AJ Moura Jones, Pacman TEN CB 7:19:38 a.m. 16.08 Jake Parrish Welker, Wes MIA WR 7:19:38 a.m. 16.09 Alex Fernandez Crowder, Channing MIA LB 7:19:38 a.m. 16.10 Aaron Rudnicki Vanden Bosch, Kyle TEN DE 7:19:38 a.m. 16.11 Jake Parrish Lloyd, Brandon WAS WR 7:56:01 a.m. 16.12 Terry Winfree Stovall, Maurice TBB WR 8:15:19 a.m. 16.13 Derek Tonn Redding, Cory DET DE 8:15:19 a.m. 16.14 Marc Faletti Barton, Eric NYJ LB 8:15:19 a.m. 16.15 Jake Bachman Utecht, Ben IND TE 8:15:19 a.m. 16.16 Chris Overton Porter, Jerry OAK WR 8:55:16 a.m.
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
for those who raised ??s we have a clause in our rules to address player position changes
7.PLAYER POSITION CHANGES: All franchise owners must be aware that from time to time a player in the NFL may get moved permanently to a new position. When this occurs, a change to that player must be made. This procedure must take place regardless of what position a player was originally drafted as. The sources used for determining a player’s position is currently NFL.com's Depth Chart. Keep in mind that it may be necessary to look at other sources to verify any position. The Commissioner has the last say as to where a player will be placed.
7.PLAYER POSITION CHANGES: All franchise owners must be aware that from time to time a player in the NFL may get moved permanently to a new position. When this occurs, a change to that player must be made. This procedure must take place regardless of what position a player was originally drafted as. The sources used for determining a player’s position is currently NFL.com's Depth Chart. Keep in mind that it may be necessary to look at other sources to verify any position. The Commissioner has the last say as to where a player will be placed.
Getting caught up with my picks:
16.04 RB Musa Smith, Ravens. The guy has a history of injuries, but he's got youth, size and a potential GOLDEN opportunity presenting itself if the team decides to part ways with Jamal Lewis. I would fully expect the Ravens to go out and draft/sign another RB if Lewis doesn't return to the team. However, I see Smith as having every bit as much of a chance at meaningful production down the road as most/all the other RBs still on the board. Worth a flier at this stage, IMHO.
16.13 DE (DT?) Cory Redding, Lions. Here's another D-Lineman with an identity crisis in MFL. He's a DT, listed as a DE. Also factor in his agent wanting him to be listed as a DE from the standpoint of better "franchise tag" money, and it gets complicated. What isn't complicated, however, is the talent he possesses. He really came into his own in 2006, playing at a very high level on a very average/ordinary team. I fully expect that level of production to continue for the next several seasons......as a DT. :X
16.04 RB Musa Smith, Ravens. The guy has a history of injuries, but he's got youth, size and a potential GOLDEN opportunity presenting itself if the team decides to part ways with Jamal Lewis. I would fully expect the Ravens to go out and draft/sign another RB if Lewis doesn't return to the team. However, I see Smith as having every bit as much of a chance at meaningful production down the road as most/all the other RBs still on the board. Worth a flier at this stage, IMHO.
16.13 DE (DT?) Cory Redding, Lions. Here's another D-Lineman with an identity crisis in MFL. He's a DT, listed as a DE. Also factor in his agent wanting him to be listed as a DE from the standpoint of better "franchise tag" money, and it gets complicated. What isn't complicated, however, is the talent he possesses. He really came into his own in 2006, playing at a very high level on a very average/ordinary team. I fully expect that level of production to continue for the next several seasons......as a DT. :X
my roster
QB: Jon Kitna, JP Losman
RB: Clinton Portis, DeAngelo Williams, Fred Taylor, Reuben Droughns
WR: TJ Houshmandzadeh, Jerrico Cotchery, Kevin Curtis, Marty Booker
TE: Jason Witten
DE: Jared Allen, Kyle Vanden Bosch
LB: Keith Bulluck, Will Witherspoon, Keith Brooking
S: Sean Taylor
added a couple more value picks
DE Kyle VandenBosch, Tennessee: 24th DE drafted after finishing as DE15 this year and DE8 a year ago; 28 years old and in the prime of his career; has started all 32 games since signing with Tennessee.
RB Reuben Droughns, Cleveland: I think he was around the 50th RB drafted or so. Not a pick with huge upside given the bad year he just had, but in a 16-team league where most teams will start 2 RBs, getting a potential starter at this point seemed like good value and I didn't see any dropoffs coming at the other positions. He's 28 years old and doesn't have too much mileage on him. The Browns will likely try hard to upgrade at this position in the draft, but Droughns is a reliable veteran who can contribute in a RBBC situation while the younger guy develops.
My offense won't be seen as one of the best in the leauge but hopefully it's steady, deep, and productive enough to allow my IDPs to put me over the top most weeks. As always, there is good value to be had with older players in startup dynasty drafts like this. I'm hoping to find a good mix of older guys who can help me win now and younger guys who have plenty of upside.
QB: Jon Kitna, JP Losman
RB: Clinton Portis, DeAngelo Williams, Fred Taylor, Reuben Droughns
WR: TJ Houshmandzadeh, Jerrico Cotchery, Kevin Curtis, Marty Booker
TE: Jason Witten
DE: Jared Allen, Kyle Vanden Bosch
LB: Keith Bulluck, Will Witherspoon, Keith Brooking
S: Sean Taylor
added a couple more value picks
DE Kyle VandenBosch, Tennessee: 24th DE drafted after finishing as DE15 this year and DE8 a year ago; 28 years old and in the prime of his career; has started all 32 games since signing with Tennessee.
RB Reuben Droughns, Cleveland: I think he was around the 50th RB drafted or so. Not a pick with huge upside given the bad year he just had, but in a 16-team league where most teams will start 2 RBs, getting a potential starter at this point seemed like good value and I didn't see any dropoffs coming at the other positions. He's 28 years old and doesn't have too much mileage on him. The Browns will likely try hard to upgrade at this position in the draft, but Droughns is a reliable veteran who can contribute in a RBBC situation while the younger guy develops.
My offense won't be seen as one of the best in the leauge but hopefully it's steady, deep, and productive enough to allow my IDPs to put me over the top most weeks. As always, there is good value to be had with older players in startup dynasty drafts like this. I'm hoping to find a good mix of older guys who can help me win now and younger guys who have plenty of upside.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Musa will be a UFA next month. I doubt if he gets signed to a big contract by anyone. If Jamal leaves and the Ravens don't attempt to re-sign him, it doesn't say very much about his ability. At best he will start out as a backup this season imo. Not a bad pick, as he could eventually start somewhere, and he seems to have 3rd down back qualities which is good in ppr leagues.Just checked his stats- 4 seasons, 33 games, 57 carries, 4.1 ypc. Who would want him? The best thing he has going for him is age.
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I doubt M. Smith signs a BIG contract with anyone too! However, I do believe he will be re-signed by the Ravens and, assuming Jamal Lewis is not willing to settle for a lot less money than he's been accustomed to, has as good a chance at seeing at least 60% of the carries in Baltimore in 2007. Heading into week 3-4, he actually was showing more explosiveness and cutting ability than Lewis or Anderson on the practice field and in his limited action on game day. Then he suffered a severe "body burner" and neck injury, and that, coupled with Billick's re-commitment to giving Jamal Lewis a chance to return to his old form, pretty much ended Smith's season.
Am I saying Smith is on-par with a "Michael Turner"? Not hardly. However, I think that other than rolling the dice on the Texans RB situation, Smith presented the best shot at making a meaningful contribution to a fantasy football team. It's a roll of the dice though, nothing more. There are 2-3 RBs I like better still on the board from a talent perspective, but NOT from an "opportunity" perspective. And in fantasy football, opportunity is INCREDIBLY important.
EDITED TO ADD: Might be worthwhile to check back at Chester Taylor's stats from 2002-2003 as well. Kind of in a similar position to Smith.....except without the health issues. Again, not saying Smith = Taylor at all! Just saying that Smith might very-well have a chance that Chester did not: to see at least the meaningful portion of a RBBC in Baltimore in the very near future.
Am I saying Smith is on-par with a "Michael Turner"? Not hardly. However, I think that other than rolling the dice on the Texans RB situation, Smith presented the best shot at making a meaningful contribution to a fantasy football team. It's a roll of the dice though, nothing more. There are 2-3 RBs I like better still on the board from a talent perspective, but NOT from an "opportunity" perspective. And in fantasy football, opportunity is INCREDIBLY important.
EDITED TO ADD: Might be worthwhile to check back at Chester Taylor's stats from 2002-2003 as well. Kind of in a similar position to Smith.....except without the health issues. Again, not saying Smith = Taylor at all! Just saying that Smith might very-well have a chance that Chester did not: to see at least the meaningful portion of a RBBC in Baltimore in the very near future.
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redman
Footballguy
17 round's in:
Code:
17.01 Chris Overton Brooks, Ahmad CIN LB 8:55:16 a.m. 17.02 Nick Chadick Bradley, Mark CHI WR 9:18:42 a.m. 17.03 Marc Faletti Smith, Daryl JAC LB 9:18:42 a.m. 17.04 Sigmund Bloom Mason, Derrick BAL WR 9:20:35 a.m. 17.05 Terry Winfree Parker, Eric SDC WR 9:57:34 a.m. 17.06 Sigmund Bloom Johnson, Eric SFO TE 9:57:34 a.m. 17.07 Aaron Rudnicki Droughns, Reuben CLE RB 10:05:35 a.m. 17.08 Alex Fernandez Williams, Roy DAL S 10:21:43 a.m. 17.09 Sigmund Bloom Jackson, D'Qwell CLE LB 10:23:34 a.m. 17.10 AJ Moura Atogwe, Oshiomogho STL S 10:23:45 a.m. 17.11 Carlos Rodrigues Horn, Joe NOS WR 10:26:24 a.m. 17.12 Brian Smith Brown, Alex CHI DE 10:37:55 a.m. 17.13 Jeff Pasquino Greenwood, Morlon HOU LB 9:43:45 p.m. 17.14 Jeff Pasquino Anderson, Mark CHI DE 9:56:22 p.m. 17.15 Nick Chadick James, Bradie DAL LB 9:56:22 p.m. 17.16 Will Grant Grossman, Rex CHI QB 9:56:22 p.m.
shake zula
Footballguy
Shake's roster:
QB- Palmer
RB- Parker, Mcgahee, Foster, Washington, D. Davis
WR- Moss, Berrian, Bruce, Bryant, Williamson
TE- Clark
K-
DT-
DE- J. Smith
LB- Thomas, Tatupu, Vilma, Crowder, Mitchell
CB- A. Rolle
S- R. Williams
QB- Palmer
RB- Parker, Mcgahee, Foster, Washington, D. Davis
WR- Moss, Berrian, Bruce, Bryant, Williamson
TE- Clark
K-
DT-
DE- J. Smith
LB- Thomas, Tatupu, Vilma, Crowder, Mitchell
CB- A. Rolle
S- R. Williams
Warpig
Footballguy
shake zula
Footballguy
:X
I already have low self-esteemhow does it go again, across for attention. straight down for sucess?
redman
Footballguy
18th round's done:
Code:
18.01 Will Grant Pope, Leonard ARI TE 9:56:22 p.m. 18.02 Nick Chadick Johnson, Keyshawn CAR WR 5:16:41 a.m. 18.03 Ben Bregitzer Geathers, Robert CIN DE 8:19:07 a.m. 18.04 Derek Tonn Davis, Thomas CAR LB 9:47:50 a.m. 18.05 Derek Tonn Winfield, Antoine MIN CB 9:48:03 a.m. 18.06 Carlos Rodrigues White, Roddy ATL WR 9:48:03 a.m. 18.07 Jeff Pasquino Greenway, Chad MIN LB 9:48:03 a.m. 18.08 Jake Parrish Marshall, Richard CAR CB 9:48:03 a.m. 18.09 Alex Fernandez Rolle, Antrel ARI CB 11:04:44 a.m. 18.10 Aaron Rudnicki Kennison, Eddie KCC WR 11:04:44 a.m. 18.11 Sigmund Bloom Carter, Drew CAR WR 11:04:44 a.m. 18.12 Terry Winfree Parrish, Roscoe BUF WR 11:38:01 a.m. 18.13 AJ Moura Taylor, Travis MIN WR 11:39:17 a.m. 18.14 Marc Faletti Smith, Brad NYJ WR 12:05:39 p.m. 18.15 Jake Bachman Landry, Dawan BAL S 12:05:39 p.m. 18.16 Chris Overton Collins, Nick GBP S 12:05:39 p.mredman
Footballguy
I'm due for an update.
16.16(256) Jerry Porter - He's got WR2 and maybe WR1 skills and a fresh start with a new offensive minded coach. What's not to like with Porter as the WR67?
17.01(257) Ahmad Brooks - He's a 2nd year player poised to take over the valuable MLB spot in Marvin Lewis' defense . . . if he can keep his head on straight. I could have picked him later but I really wanted him.
18.16(288) Nick Collins - A good, young SS for the Pack who put up nice numbers in his first season and figures to improve as that team improves.
19.01(289) David Carr - I was hoping for Grossman to fall to me here (17.16(262) to Will Grant; couldn't believe he was on the board that long) but Carr is also valuable here as QB30. The fresh start he figures to get for another team may rejuvenate him, and he's still young for a QB.
My roster now is:
QB - Bulger, Carr
RB - Tomlinson, L. White, C. Brown
WR - Colston, Burress, Henry, Randle El, Baskett, J. Porter
TE - Scheffler, Graham
K -
DT -
DE - Peppers, Suggs
LB - Pierce, Hayes, Gaither, A. Brooks
CB -
S - A. Wilson, N. Collins
16.16(256) Jerry Porter - He's got WR2 and maybe WR1 skills and a fresh start with a new offensive minded coach. What's not to like with Porter as the WR67?
17.01(257) Ahmad Brooks - He's a 2nd year player poised to take over the valuable MLB spot in Marvin Lewis' defense . . . if he can keep his head on straight. I could have picked him later but I really wanted him.
18.16(288) Nick Collins - A good, young SS for the Pack who put up nice numbers in his first season and figures to improve as that team improves.
19.01(289) David Carr - I was hoping for Grossman to fall to me here (17.16(262) to Will Grant; couldn't believe he was on the board that long) but Carr is also valuable here as QB30. The fresh start he figures to get for another team may rejuvenate him, and he's still young for a QB.
My roster now is:
QB - Bulger, Carr
RB - Tomlinson, L. White, C. Brown
WR - Colston, Burress, Henry, Randle El, Baskett, J. Porter
TE - Scheffler, Graham
K -
DT -
DE - Peppers, Suggs
LB - Pierce, Hayes, Gaither, A. Brooks
CB -
S - A. Wilson, N. Collins
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Warpig
Footballguy
redman
Footballguy
Getting insulted by you is like getting insulted by the :11: kid at a wedding.
Warpig
Footballguy
Can't you see that my humor is just a facade of my true insecurity with my team? So to make me feel better I must ridicule and insult everyone elses team to bring you down to my level to make me feel better about myself. I just need a hug man!Getting insulted by you is like getting insulted by the :11: kid at a wedding.I'll tell you like I told the others...
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Mediocrity
Footballguy
I really like your team as long as you build on your RB-core of LT and L.White.
Team Bloom so far:
QB: Brady, Cpep
RB: LJ, Perry
WR: Andre, Evans, Marshall, Jennings, CJackson, DemWilliams, Mason, DCarter
TE: McMichael, EJohnson
DE: Osi, Abraham
LB: Farrior, Dansby, DEdwards, DJackson
CB: RBarber
QB: Brady, Cpep
RB: LJ, Perry
WR: Andre, Evans, Marshall, Jennings, CJackson, DemWilliams, Mason, DCarter
TE: McMichael, EJohnson
DE: Osi, Abraham
LB: Farrior, Dansby, DEdwards, DJackson
CB: RBarber
Warpig
Footballguy
) = 'x'Find the value of 'x'x = (in my division) 
redman
Footballguy
I see it more as a cry for help, but whatever.Can't you see that my humor is just a facade of my true insecurity with my team? So to make me feel better I must ridicule and insult everyone elses team to bring you down to my level to make me feel better about myself. I just need a hug man!
cant it be both?I see it more as a cry for help, but whatever.Can't you see that my humor is just a facade of my true insecurity with my team? So to make me feel better I must ridicule and insult everyone elses team to bring you down to my level to make me feel better about myself. I just need a hug man!
Warpig
Footballguy
cant it be both?I see it more as a cry for help, but whatever.Can't you see that my humor is just a facade of my true insecurity with my team? So to make me feel better I must ridicule and insult everyone elses team to bring you down to my level to make me feel better about myself. I just need a hug man!
redman
Footballguy
Perhaps. Hell, he's a Marine so he's got a shaved head and tats. Maybe we should just check him into out of into out of into rehab with Brittney.cant it be both?I see it more as a cry for help, but whatever.Can't you see that my humor is just a facade of my true insecurity with my team? So to make me feel better I must ridicule and insult everyone elses team to bring you down to my level to make me feel better about myself. I just need a hug man!
Warpig
Footballguy
Fixed.Perhaps. Hell, he's a Marine so he's got a shaved headcant it be both?I see it more as a cry for help, but whatever.Can't you see that my humor is just a facade of my true insecurity with my team? So to make me feel better I must ridicule and insult everyone elses team to bring you down to my level to make me feel better about myself. I just need a hug man!
and tats
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
smith roster
QB - Delhomme, Cutler, Clemens
RB - Tatum Bell, Turner
WR - Javon, Santana, Braylon, Calvin(1.02r)
TE - Gates, Vernon
DE - Alex Brown, Kiwanuka
LB - Barnett, Wimbley
S - Whitner
QB - Delhomme, Cutler, Clemens
RB - Tatum Bell, Turner
WR - Javon, Santana, Braylon, Calvin(1.02r)
TE - Gates, Vernon
DE - Alex Brown, Kiwanuka
LB - Barnett, Wimbley
S - Whitner
Warpig
Footballguy
smith roster
is right! 
comfortably numb
Footballguy
FIXED
redman
Footballguy
A little intra-draft maneuvering - we'll see if it pays off. I traded up to 19.07 from 19.14 to try to take timely advantage of the Barlow release and pick up Ced Houston:
Edit to add: FWIW, Rudnicki said he'd have taken Houston at 19.07 but for the trade. My roster now is:QB - Bulger, CarrRB - Tomlinson, L. White, C. Brown, HoustonWR - Colston, Burress, Henry, Randle El, Baskett, J. PorterTE - Scheffler, GrahamK - DT - DE - Peppers, SuggsLB - Pierce, Hayes, Gaither, A. BrooksCB - S - A. Wilson, N. Collins
19.07(295) Cedric Houston- depending upon who you listen to, Houston is either the most talented RB they have on the roster or garbage. He is the only holdover at RB from the prior regime, not a plus with control-freak-Mangini. OTOH, he's got talent and by releasing Barlow, the other RB most like Houston in terms of skills and physical attributes, that to me implies a vote of confidence in Houston . . . unless they trade for Turner or draft a RB high in the draft.
Edit to add: FWIW, Rudnicki said he'd have taken Houston at 19.07 but for the trade. My roster now is:QB - Bulger, CarrRB - Tomlinson, L. White, C. Brown, HoustonWR - Colston, Burress, Henry, Randle El, Baskett, J. PorterTE - Scheffler, GrahamK - DT - DE - Peppers, SuggsLB - Pierce, Hayes, Gaither, A. BrooksCB - S - A. Wilson, N. Collins
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comfortably numb
Footballguy
2 words.....SUCK-AHA little intra-draft maneuvering - we'll see if it pays off. I traded up to 19.07 from 19.14 to try to take timely advantage of the Barlow release and pick up Ced Houston:
19.07(295) Cedric Houston- depending upon who you listen to, Houston is either the most talented RB they have on the roster or garbage. He is the only holdover at RB from the prior regime, not a plus with control-freak-Mangini. OTOH, he's got talent and by releasing Barlow, the other RB most like Houston in terms of skills and physical attributes, that to me implies a vote of confidence in Houston . . . unless they trade for Turner or draft a RB high in the draft.
Warpig
Footballguy
2 words.....SUCK-AHA little intra-draft maneuvering - we'll see if it pays off. I traded up to 19.07 from 19.14 to try to take timely advantage of the Barlow release and pick up Ced Houston:
19.07(295) Cedric Houston- depending upon who you listen to, Houston is either the most talented RB they have on the roster or garbage. He is the only holdover at RB from the prior regime, not a plus with control-freak-Mangini. OTOH, he's got talent and by releasing Barlow, the other RB most like Houston in terms of skills and physical attributes, that to me implies a vote of confidence in Houston . . . unless they trade for Turner or draft a RB high in the draft.
Some additional picks:
18.04 LB Thomas Davis, Panthers. Another athletic and talented 24-year old LB to add to my stable. Honestly, I am probably as happy with my LB corps as I would be with Terry's....with the added advantage of my guys still playing 3-4 years after his LB corps are collecting their pension checks. LFB, D. Johnson, E. Sims, B. Scott and T. Davis is PHAT as a LB unit, in my opinion.
18.05 CB Antoine Winfield, Vikings. This is a value pick, just for me. :horns: I get to watch every snap that Winfield plays throughout the season (Vikings homer), and the guy very-quietly gets it done, week in and week out. If he were on a more-vaunted defense like the Bears or Ravens, he'd get a LOT more press! However, Winfield at 18.05 makes me very, VERY happy. Almost went Drew Carter here, but I just couldn't pass on the opportunity of having Winfield and Tillman as my CB1-2 duo going forward.
My current roster:
QB - McNabb, Hasselbeck
RB - R. Johnson, McAllister, Norwood, M. Smith
WR - R. Brown, D. Branch, Furrey, S. Holmes, Mi. Clayton
TE - Watson, Stevens
PK -
DT - Castillo
DE - W. Smith, Redding (soon to be DT)
LB - LFB, B. Scott, E. Sims, D. Johnson, T. Davis
CB - Tillman, Winfield
S - Sanders, M. Williams
Dare I say, "playing into the post-season?"
inkytocheek:
18.04 LB Thomas Davis, Panthers. Another athletic and talented 24-year old LB to add to my stable. Honestly, I am probably as happy with my LB corps as I would be with Terry's....with the added advantage of my guys still playing 3-4 years after his LB corps are collecting their pension checks. LFB, D. Johnson, E. Sims, B. Scott and T. Davis is PHAT as a LB unit, in my opinion.
18.05 CB Antoine Winfield, Vikings. This is a value pick, just for me. :horns: I get to watch every snap that Winfield plays throughout the season (Vikings homer), and the guy very-quietly gets it done, week in and week out. If he were on a more-vaunted defense like the Bears or Ravens, he'd get a LOT more press! However, Winfield at 18.05 makes me very, VERY happy. Almost went Drew Carter here, but I just couldn't pass on the opportunity of having Winfield and Tillman as my CB1-2 duo going forward.
My current roster:
QB - McNabb, Hasselbeck
RB - R. Johnson, McAllister, Norwood, M. Smith
WR - R. Brown, D. Branch, Furrey, S. Holmes, Mi. Clayton
TE - Watson, Stevens
PK -
DT - Castillo
DE - W. Smith, Redding (soon to be DT)
LB - LFB, B. Scott, E. Sims, D. Johnson, T. Davis
CB - Tillman, Winfield
S - Sanders, M. Williams
Dare I say, "playing into the post-season?"
inkytocheek: 
KTM
Braaaaaaaaaap
Since I lost out on Drew Carter, I traded up and picked up D. Hagan. I think this kid has tons of potential as long as he can learn to catch the ball. Chambers is overratted IMHO and I think Hagan can take over there in a year or two. (if someone can get the ball to him)
Ned
Footballguy
hagan is going to be a beast!!! sod!!!!!!!
Hagan can't even beat out Wes Welker. He's WR4 on a bad offense and can't catch a cold.
redman
Footballguy
You won't be saying that if Houston turns out to be the Jets' version of MBIII for me as my RB2.2 words.....SUCK-AHA little intra-draft maneuvering - we'll see if it pays off. I traded up to 19.07 from 19.14 to try to take timely advantage of the Barlow release and pick up Ced Houston:
19.07(295) Cedric Houston- depending upon who you listen to, Houston is either the most talented RB they have on the roster or garbage. He is the only holdover at RB from the prior regime, not a plus with control-freak-Mangini. OTOH, he's got talent and by releasing Barlow, the other RB most like Houston in terms of skills and physical attributes, that to me implies a vote of confidence in Houston . . . unless they trade for Turner or draft a RB high in the draft.
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EBF
Footballguy
You could say the same thing about guys like Chad Jackson and Sinorice Moss. Ready to bury them too? Two words:
Rookie year.
There's a long list of good WRs who didn't do squat for at least one season. Some recent examples include Bernard Berrian, Chad Johnson, Plaxico Burress, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Donald Driver, Javon Walker, Hines Ward, Jerricho Cotchery, Joe Horn, Reggie Wayne, Laveranues Coles, and Santana Moss. Not one of these guys had a good rookie year. Most of them were downright putrid. As a whole, they averaged about 300 receiving yards during their first year.
I don't know where this perception that a WR has to light it up in year one in order have a productive career comes from. A very large percentage of the top 20-30 WRs in FF didn't have more than 350 receiving yards as rookies.
Hagan had 221 yards. He caught 56.8% of his targets. That's a better percentage than what Torry Holt, Donald Driver, Chad Johnson, Roy Williams, Anquan Boldin, and Terrell Owens did last year. He was a record-setting WR in college. His hands can't possible be that bad.
I thought he could be another Muhammad entering the NFL and I still think he offers that potential. It's way too early to dismiss him.
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