What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

REdraft vs Keepers vs Dynasty: (1 Viewer)

BigRed

Footballguy
I'm bored and this should get some debate going....

I can understand the appeal (or lack of) to any of these, but given a choice:

- I'll take some kind of keeper league (1 or 2, maybe 3 keepers tops) - I think it offers the best of both worlds: has some of the continuity/possible off-season "action" of dynasties, but the redraft aspect of getting to start over each year.

- Pure redrafts would be my 2d choice and are fine with me, but I like the idea of being able to get rewarded for drafting well and keeping a few players. I don't get why redrafters would not like this, esp if it's just a keeper or 2; you still basically have a redraft format.

- Dynasties I think are one of those it hits you or it doesn't kind of thing. For me just doesn't appeal, if for no other reason than it basically eliminates the draft, which is half the fun. I like the idea of having a shot at LT or Manning or whoever each year. Yeah I know, the potential for year-round action is the upside, plus you at least have the rookie draft, but that sounds pretty anti-climax if not outright boring too; about the first handfaul picks are semi-interesting and after that it gets pretty tame in a hurry. I guess it's more of a trade-off between one big draft and all that action in redrafts vs a more drawn out process over the whole year.

 
I'm bored and this should get some debate going....I can understand the appeal (or lack of) to any of these, but given a choice:- I'll take some kind of keeper league (1 or 2, maybe 3 keepers tops) - I think it offers the best of both worlds: has some of the continuity/possible off-season "action" of dynasties, but the redraft aspect of getting to start over each year. - Pure redrafts would be my 2d choice and are fine with me, but I like the idea of being able to get rewarded for drafting well and keeping a few players. I don't get why redrafters would not like this, esp if it's just a keeper or 2; you still basically have a redraft format.- Dynasties I think are one of those it hits you or it doesn't kind of thing. For me just doesn't appeal, if for no other reason than it basically eliminates the draft, which is half the fun. I like the idea of having a shot at LT or Manning or whoever each year. Yeah I know, the potential for year-round action is the upside, plus you at least have the rookie draft, but that sounds pretty anti-climax if not outright boring too; about the first handfaul picks are semi-interesting and after that it gets pretty tame in a hurry. I guess it's more of a trade-off between one big draft and all that action in redrafts vs a more drawn out process over the whole year.
One thing to pick on. You say dynasties don't offer you a shot at Manning, Tomlinson etc. With a keeper league, there is still no way you get a Manning, Tomlinson, etc so how is it a perfect blend? I think you're also underrating the power and quantity of trades in dynasty leagues.I think the best of all worlds is to have 1 or 2 dynasties along with a redraft. You get to have fun at building franchises, and also have the ability to have a short/temporary team with a compeltely different set of players each year.
 
Play in 4 dynasty leagues. Just like the idea of drafting a team that will be competitive year in year out. Trying to find the next stud player(s).

 
Our format is a redraft, except we have an option of one keeper. Basically you can keep any ONE player that you took from the 10th round on, (18 round/ 12 team format) as long as he stayed on your roster the entire year. No injury reserve, so he uses a roster spot up no matter what happens to him. If that happens, he is your automatic 8th round pick if you choose to keep him.

The benefit to this is that you are able to grab someone like B.Jacobs or Turner or even a rookie LB (IDP league) this past year who isnt neccessarily a starter for you last year, but becomes gold this year for an 8th rounder. It forces you to study the backup RB's who have the potential and /or contract issues to predict where they may be the following year.... example: Lamont in Jets town as a back up three years ago, to starter in Oakland the next year. He was a late round "non factor" behind C Mart one year, and an 8th round steal the next.

We like this format because you still get the full benefit and excitement of a redraft except for round 8. Also note that we do not get to have a keeper more than the one year.

 
1st-Dynasty Contract league-most fun league I'm in.You get to keep the players you draft and ones you pick up in the FA market.All the players have from 1 to 4 year contracts($1600),with contracts going up 15% every year.In the off season every team can bid on free agent players(10 or so are listed eveyweek),but the player owner still hold the right to their play IF they can afford/want to match the highest bid.

2nd-dynasty-I want to keep players I draft or from FA every year.But it hard to keep dynasty's going that are free,seams like 2 out 3 I join don't make.Need to have a good/active commish and at least a majority

of active owners to make it.

3rd-Keeper-4 keeper or 4 keeper+ rookie works for me.

4th-redrafts-I play a few every year on yahoo,but I don't like them much.

Also,I only play in free leagues.I play for the fun of it. :shrug:

 
One thing to pick on. You say dynasties don't offer you a shot at Manning, Tomlinson etc. With a keeper league, there is still no way you get a Manning, Tomlinson, etc so how is it a perfect blend?
In the keeper league I was in - and most I've ever heard of, and any worth a flip IMO - you can't keep the very upper tier of talent (eg 1st round picks, top 5 or 10 in each positional category etc), so in a keeper you would still have a shot at most of those.
I think you're also underrating the power and quantity of trades in dynasty leagues.
Not at all, I know that's a big part of it, just doesn't appeal as much to me.
I think the best of all worlds is to have 1 or 2 dynasties along with a redraft. You get to have fun at building franchises, and also have the ability to have a short/temporary team with a compeltely different set of players each year.
If you're into being in a bunch of leagues, yeah that would make sense, but personally 1 or 2 leagues is my max. IMO the more leagues you're in, the more it "dilutes" each one and you end up rooting for almost every player etc etc....and it's just too busy and too much to keep track of.
 
A fun topic during the offseason.

Redraft leagues

Pro

- A complete draft each year, which is the funnest day of the year for FF'ers

- No need to maintain league continuity, as each year is totally different

- You get a "mulligan" if you drafted like crap the previous year

- You can draft a solid team without having to study college players as much

- Best league for newbies, learn from mistakes without it costing you for years (I'll take Vinatieri at 3.4)

Con

- Least continuity of all leagues, owners don't have long-term stake in teams

- Your drafting prowess doesn't carry over into the following year (gotta toss Colston/Gore back in)

- Factors luck into the mix more than other types of leagues

- Commissioner's get headaches (constant disagreements over rules and people wanting changes)

Keeper leagues

Pro

- Yearly draft still has talent vs yearly dynasty drafts

- The excitement of trading mid/late/off season to get best keeper squad for following year

- Medium level of continuity from year to year

- Fun guessing which owners will keep which players

- Most flexible league format, IMO

Con

- Disgruntled owners constantly asking for rule changes

- May have to keep players you really don't want, but they're all you got

- Ever-changing rules may annoy some owners

- Having to drop your young/quality backups (keeping Gates, throwing away sleeper Scheffler)

Dynasty leagues

Pro

- Doing research for that inaugural draft is awesome!

- Having to weigh upside vs proven players (do I take Bush or LJ?)

- High level of continuity from year to year

- Long-term commissioner is usually very fair and knowledgeable

- Few arguments over rules (as long as you start your league correctly)

Con

- Yearly draft talent shrinks after a few rounds

- Seem to get that one team that changes owners every year

- If not chosen correctly, can end up in a league of people you really don't care for

- Your team can be in rebuilding mode for years if your top picks crap out

 
1st-Dynasty Contract league-most fun league I'm in.You get to keep the players you draft and ones you pick up in the FA market.All the players have from 1 to 4 year contracts($1600),with contracts going up 15% every year.In the off season every team can bid on free agent players(10 or so are listed eveyweek),but the player owner still hold the right to their play IF they can afford/want to match the highest bid.
:loco: :lmao: Picked up a few dynasties recently (moving from mostly redraft to mostly dynasty). Of the four I picked up, my favorite is definitely the contract league. Closest to reality, where it's not just someone's actual value to your team, but how much he costs etc. Second favorite is dynasty auction league.I've found IDP to be a must... non-IDP are boring by comparison :lmao:
 
I play in both and much prefer the Dynasty League. With the Redraft, while you have a fresh start each year, your season can be done by the middle of the season.

With the Dynasty that I play in, we retain 14 players (based on remaining contract years) each spring and you can see your whole team being built and transformed at any time of the year. This season, the Monday after the SuperBowl, teams were willing and dealing already working on next years roster.

Trades are very important and if you aren't willing to make those deals, you will eventually lose out on players who will never make it back into the Rookie/FA draft.

 
Dirty Weasel said:
A fun topic during the offseason.

Redraft leagues

Pro

- A complete draft each year, which is the funnest day of the year for FF'ers

- No need to maintain league continuity, as each year is totally different

- You get a "mulligan" if you drafted like crap the previous year

- You can draft a solid team without having to study college players as much

- Best league for newbies, learn from mistakes without it costing you for years (I'll take Vinatieri at 3.4)

Con

- Least continuity of all leagues, owners don't have long-term stake in teams

- Your drafting prowess doesn't carry over into the following year (gotta toss Colston/Gore back in)

- Factors luck into the mix more than other types of leagues

- Commissioner's get headaches (constant disagreements over rules and people wanting changes)

Keeper leagues

Pro

- Yearly draft still has talent vs yearly dynasty drafts

- The excitement of trading mid/late/off season to get best keeper squad for following year

- Medium level of continuity from year to year

- Fun guessing which owners will keep which players

- Most flexible league format, IMO

Con

- Disgruntled owners constantly asking for rule changes

- May have to keep players you really don't want, but they're all you got

- Ever-changing rules may annoy some owners

- Having to drop your young/quality backups (keeping Gates, throwing away sleeper Scheffler)

Dynasty leagues

Pro

- Doing research for that inaugural draft is awesome!

- Having to weigh upside vs proven players (do I take Bush or LJ?)

- High level of continuity from year to year

- Long-term commissioner is usually very fair and knowledgeable

- Few arguments over rules (as long as you start your league correctly)

Con

- Yearly draft talent shrinks after a few rounds

- Seem to get that one team that changes owners every year

- If not chosen correctly, can end up in a league of people you really don't care for

- Your team can be in rebuilding mode for years if your top picks crap out
Nice recap but I call BS on the stuff I've bold-faced above. I've been in all 3 and don't see or think what type of these 3 you're in dictates how "disgruntled" owners will be or how much rule changes come into play. Also luck plays no more a factor in any given type....and how good a commissioner is not dependent on the type of league either.I also find IDP very boring/uninteresting. Diff. strokes.

 
I play both Dynasty and Redraft (3 dynasty, one local redraft), but in seeing all the startups and flood of "dynasty rankings" (obviously meant for initial dynasty drafts), I'm really beginning to wonder how many dynasty leagues are going to be true dynasty leagues. In other words, leagues started now still being around 5 years from now?

 
I play in a leauge that uses an auction instead of a draft and gives you the option to keep any of your players but you have to pay for them out of your auction fund and the price is higher is a variable percentage higher than what you paid for them the year before. The longer you keep a player the more his salary goes up each year.

This lets you keep a large number of players from the year before, especially any bargains you grabbed, but it still turns over a large number of top tier players each year so the auction is interesting. It also promotes trades throughout the season as owners have to decide whether to go for the championship with overpriced players or trade their expensive players for cheaper prospects that they'll be able to keep the next year.

I like it a lot and think it finds a great balance between the pros and cons of the keeper/re-draft/dynasty options.

 
zadok said:
The longer I play this game, the more I love dynasty and the more I hate redraft.
and dynasty is almost year around
This is what I like most about Dynasty. We only have one off-season for trades that lasts Thanksgiving Eve through the Pro Bowl (unless we're in a year where we've decided to add a new owner) then no trades til March 31st which they have to make their Waiver selections. What I like about my re-draft leagues are:*The auction is intense. Sleepers aren't just shots in the dark. They're guys like Mark Clayton. *You don't get married to players. It's much easier to remain objective re: player valuation for me. But Dynasty is:*More lucrative (for me at least). Less luck involved - we play non-heads up total pts. for the season format which ends with the Super Bowl. I like that when most pople are finished with their league and scrambling to find some lame playoff league that we are just gearing up for our stretch run. And the fact that it's all year is awesome to me. But our league got pretty lucky with a cool group of guys - I could see how getting stuck with a handful of whiners and ##### could sour you on Dynasty in a hurry. I play both because I pretty much agree with most of the pros/cons listed on here. But if I couldonly ever play one for the rest of my life - it'd be the Dynasty league.
 
One thing to pick on. You say dynasties don't offer you a shot at Manning, Tomlinson etc. With a keeper league, there is still no way you get a Manning, Tomlinson, etc so how is it a perfect blend?
In the keeper league I was in - and most I've ever heard of, and any worth a flip IMO - you can't keep the very upper tier of talent (eg 1st round picks, top 5 or 10 in each positional category etc), so in a keeper you would still have a shot at most of those.
Agreed, you still have a shot at them. In my league, you can keep any player, but you give up a draft pick for them. Its pretty rare an owner will keep a first round pick rather than a value pick (ie MJD in the last round, etc)
 
I play in a leauge that uses an auction instead of a draft and gives you the option to keep any of your players but you have to pay for them out of your auction fund and the price is higher is a variable percentage higher than what you paid for them the year before. The longer you keep a player the more his salary goes up each year. This lets you keep a large number of players from the year before, especially any bargains you grabbed, but it still turns over a large number of top tier players each year so the auction is interesting. It also promotes trades throughout the season as owners have to decide whether to go for the championship with overpriced players or trade their expensive players for cheaper prospects that they'll be able to keep the next year.I like it a lot and think it finds a great balance between the pros and cons of the keeper/re-draft/dynasty options.
That would be my ideal format. So you can keep as many as you want or-?
 
I play in a leauge that uses an auction instead of a draft and gives you the option to keep any of your players but you have to pay for them out of your auction fund and the price is higher is a variable percentage higher than what you paid for them the year before. The longer you keep a player the more his salary goes up each year. This lets you keep a large number of players from the year before, especially any bargains you grabbed, but it still turns over a large number of top tier players each year so the auction is interesting. It also promotes trades throughout the season as owners have to decide whether to go for the championship with overpriced players or trade their expensive players for cheaper prospects that they'll be able to keep the next year.I like it a lot and think it finds a great balance between the pros and cons of the keeper/re-draft/dynasty options.
Sounds cool. I'd like to try that, but my league now is coming to an end. This'll probably be our last year or 2nd to last at best. I'd like to try that with my next league though.
 
The thing I love about dynasty is that you get to uncover talent and build a team and then KEEP THAT TALENT.

I play in salary cap/contract dynasty leagues so there is always player movement. This year in our FA crop there is M Turner, Trent Green, Favre and a few more. You can't just go out and sign every FA or keep all of your player b/c of the salary cap. I like the way it "mirrors" the NFL.

I hate redrafts because I like to uncover good players and then keep them on my team. Redrafts rely so much on the initial draft and in dynasty the initial draft is very important but then there are trades or thats precious first overall rookie pick.

How can people say the Rookie draft is boring???? I think it is great fun

trying to find the next LT or Jerry Rice! We use defensive players and they can score roughly the same as offensive players so it makes the rookie draft much deeper.

I would never do a redraft again!

 
Last edited by a moderator:
The problem is joining a dynasty league. If its been around more than a year or so, youre sure to have a garbage team for a few years or more. I dont like the idea of throwing my $ away down a bottomless pit for years. personally, i think a keeper league where the guy gets bumped up 1-2 rounds from where he was last year is the best scenario. You keep a core of a few players, and dont have the headaches of finding several new owners every year.

 
I play in a leauge that uses an auction instead of a draft and gives you the option to keep any of your players but you have to pay for them out of your auction fund and the price is higher is a variable percentage higher than what you paid for them the year before. The longer you keep a player the more his salary goes up each year. This lets you keep a large number of players from the year before, especially any bargains you grabbed, but it still turns over a large number of top tier players each year so the auction is interesting. It also promotes trades throughout the season as owners have to decide whether to go for the championship with overpriced players or trade their expensive players for cheaper prospects that they'll be able to keep the next year.I like it a lot and think it finds a great balance between the pros and cons of the keeper/re-draft/dynasty options.
That would be my ideal format. So you can keep as many as you want or-?
You can keep as many guys as you want but since everybody's salaries go up and the allotted auction "credits" don't you obviously can't keep everyone. If you have a lot of good players you can keep most of your team together but then you don't have much to work with at the auction. We get a real mix with some folks keeping just 1 or 2 players and others keeping 9 or 10. We even give a bonus of 10 extra auction credits (normal alotment is 200) if you decide not to keep anyone but it's pretty rare for someone to take this, it's mainly there so that if a new onwer inherits a terrible team he doesn't feel quite so bad about it.We use the same "credits" for bidding on waiver pickups during the year so what you bid to get someone off waivers is the base price for keeping them. We also have period between when keepers are declared and the start of the auction when owners can buy and sell players that have been kept for auction credits. So if you have three cheap QBs that you think are all good values you can keep them all and then try to seel one or two of them to the highest bidder, but if no one bites you're stuck with them.The whole thing makes for a pretty complicated system of rules but in my opinion it is worth it. We have a ton of player turn over but no one is ever forced to give up the guy that they love and it rewards taking gambles on guys a year or two before they emerge, sinc eyou get them at a low base salary that way.
 
i play in a couple redrafts each year, i play in a couple dynasty leagues.

i also have a keeper league

i enjoy them all in different ways, but definately enjoy them all

 
I play in a few dynasties, and a pyramid type redraft and enjoy both because of the differences, but I like dynasty leagues the best. I play in both IDP and non IDP leagues. Mine are all deep leagues where we keep all players on our rosters. Roster size for the IDP leagues range from 45 to 53.

I like dynasty better than anything. I like being a manager of a team and being responsible for making it competitive year in and year out. Every move you make has multiple results, long term, short term and all points in between. The challenge of building and maintaining a solid team year after year is what I like best. There are many more decisions and strategies in dynasty because you have long term and short term implications for every pick made and every trade made. There is MUCH more trading in dynasties, and the trades are all different because some owners are in either a rebuild or retool, and some are one player away from a good shot at a championship. The different strategies based on each owners situation makes trading a lot of fun. The fact that you are on the hook for every move you make over a long period of time makes dynasties more challenging to me.

I especially like that many dynasties are year round. What can be better than fantasy football action in February and March? 12 months a year of fantasy football ROCKS!!

I do play in one redraft, a pyramid setup, which I enjoy a lot. I recall seeing another pyramid league with about 8 levels or something, I can't recall what it was or where I saw it, but something like that interests me a lot.

If I could only play in 1 league, it would be a deep dynasty IDP league, and preferably a 16 team league. I have yet to play in an auction league, but I am likely to try that next year.

All in all, the tremendous variety of leagues available gives everyone a chance to play in what they like. The best part about fantasy football is the friendships made and the camaraderie with the other people you play in leagues with, not to mention the other posters here on the forums.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I love the strategy of it all and each format presents different strategies during the course of the year. Often I am really into and excited about my Dynasty League (like now because a lot of focus is on the rookie draft) but then at other times my Keeper League is a blast (like towards the end of the season when the trade deadline is approaching and deals are being made left and right). I have not had a good re-draft league in a couple of years but I enjoy those as well.

Variety is the spice of life afterall!

 
The problem is joining a dynasty league. If its been around more than a year or so, youre sure to have a garbage team for a few years or more. I dont like the idea of throwing my $ away down a bottomless pit for years. personally, i think a keeper league where the guy gets bumped up 1-2 rounds from where he was last year is the best scenario. You keep a core of a few players, and dont have the headaches of finding several new owners every year.
I play in a keeper where everyone keeps for their cost last year + 2 rounds (so first and second rounders can't be kept, and 3rd rounders become 1st rounders, etc). Any undrafted free agents get kept for a 22nd rounder (last round of the draft). Personally, I love the format, since it encourages a lot more strategy (Antonio Gates has been the MVP of the first three seasons, since he kept for a 17th, then a 15th, and this year a 13th). My one complaint is that it's only a keep-3, and I just don't think that's quite enough. The upside is that it prevents the REALLY savvy owners from establishing an absolute stranglehold on the league. The downside is that I'm one of those really savvy owners, and it's sad to kiss some of the talent goodbye every year.
 
1st-Dynasty Contract league-most fun league I'm in.You get to keep the players you draft and ones you pick up in the FA market.All the players have from 1 to 4 year contracts($1600),with contracts going up 15% every year.In the off season every team can bid on free agent players(10 or so are listed eveyweek),but the player owner still hold the right to their play IF they can afford/want to match the highest bid.
:angry: :own3d: Picked up a few dynasties recently (moving from mostly redraft to mostly dynasty). Of the four I picked up, my favorite is definitely the contract league. Closest to reality, where it's not just someone's actual value to your team, but how much he costs etc. Second favorite is dynasty auction league.I've found IDP to be a must... non-IDP are boring by comparison :thumbup:
Haven't played in a non-contract dynasty league yet, but I definitely agree that contract ones are fun. In terms of player availability they are sort of a middle point between dynasty and keeper leagues, and in some ways are better than keeper leagues in that most every player will come available at some point. For example in my league we have 3 year contracts with options to buy 1 or 2 extra years at the cost of a 20% or 40% raise. LT has such an outrageous contract already that his owner would have to be an idiot to extend him, so after 2007 he's probably going to hit the free agent market. We also have transition and franchise tags, but the raise required for those should also make it unlikely he'll be tagged.
 
I play in a great Dynasty League. One feature that makes this league special is our salary cap. If you want to keep LT every year, you are going to pay dearly. I think a cap dynasty league is more fun, more challenging, and is closer to the real NFL.

 
We use the same "credits" for bidding on waiver pickups during the year
Bidding on FAs, contracts, and IDPs aret things I just can't get into. They're all too "busy" IMO and esp IDPs....something about keeping track of tackles I just don't find at all interesting. To each their own though.The problem I have with "it's fun trying to find the next Jerry Rice or LT" is that you won't know if you did or not for years. I understand if people are into the continuity, but for me the flip side to it outweighs the pros.
I play in a few dynasties, and a pyramid type redraft
:goodposting: You have to sell Amway?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I play both Dynasty and Redraft (3 dynasty, one local redraft), but in seeing all the startups and flood of "dynasty rankings" (obviously meant for initial dynasty drafts), I'm really beginning to wonder how many dynasty leagues are going to be true dynasty leagues. In other words, leagues started now still being around 5 years from now?
I enjoy Re-draft leagues but if I had to only have one I would stick with Dynasty. We are in our 5th year now.
 
We use the same "credits" for bidding on waiver pickups during the year
Bidding on FAs, contracts, and IDPs aret things I just can't get into. They're all too "busy" IMO and esp IDPs....something about keeping track of tackles I just don't find at all interesting. To each their own though.The problem I have with "it's fun trying to find the next Jerry Rice or LT" is that you won't know if you did or not for years. I understand if people are into the continuity, but for me the flip side to it outweighs the pros.
I play in a few dynasties, and a pyramid type redraft
:stalker: You have to sell Amway?
I have no real agenda in this question as I play in dynasty, redrafts, and keepers enjopying the diffeence and variety. I am just wondering what was the motivaton for starting this thread? It does not come off like you are interested in other leagues except to say that they are not for you. I am fine with that but if you have already made up your mind, why start a thread to tell us you have made up your mind on dynasties or IDPS or contracts, etc? I just missing the point here.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
;)

:lmao:

:pokey:

OK I'll bite. Beginning of orig post repeated here with some bold-face emphasis FWIW:

I'm bored and this should get some debate going....

I can understand the appeal (or lack of) to any of these, but given a choice
ie the point is pretty much the same point of any post here - to discuss the given topic. I didn't say "I don't like (whatever), convince me I should"
 
I think the best of all worlds is to have 1 or 2 dynasties along with a redraft. You get to have fun at building franchises, and also have the ability to have a short/temporary team with a compeltely different set of players each year.
:goodposting: The redrafts are better for casual players who are concerned about getting buried in mediocrity in a dynasty league by not being able to keep up. You get a clean slate every year. I love dynasty teams though. I like being able to build something and plan years ahead, and make long-term decisions. I do also like the year-round aspect of such teams (although to be truthful the offseason tends to be slow with the exception of the time around the draft and training camps).
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top