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Redskins safety Sean Taylor dies (2 Viewers)
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dgreen
Footballguy
Seriously?
BYRK
Footballguy
In my eyes yes. Why do you look at that as everyday life??
Max Power
Footballguy
it is more that your statement is incorrect. Police & Military don't full under "thugs" do they?ETA: even people who use guns in self defense, to you are thugs?
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BYRK
Footballguy
Dude you're reaching.
dgreen
Footballguy
Phurfur
Footballguy
OK, it is time to shut this one down! The man is dead, his life speaks for itself.
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BYRK
Footballguy
Yes if a person pulls a gun another person he is a THUG!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thug
I think he fits some of the examples so it's not like I'm just pulling the word out of my ###!
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BYRK
Footballguy
I agree! Some people are just going to bury their heads in the sand on this topic.
Pocket Joker
Footballguy
Talk about a board going into a tangent!
I don't think you can call any military or policemen "thugs." C'mon - get real.
I don't think you can call any military or policemen "thugs." C'mon - get real.
dgreen
Footballguy
As Max Power showed, your statement leads to the conclusion that policemen and soldiers are thugs. You say he's reaching. I assume that was your response because you don't literally mean "Anyone who pulls a gun out on another person is a thug." I assumed you didn't, but wanted to make sure. We're just trying to figure out where you're at.I assume you exclude police and soldiers from "anyone" in your statement. I'm also going to guess you'd exclude a woman who uses it in self defense while being attacked. But, I'm just not sure everything you'd exclude or include. But, you clearly exclude some things from your statement. You don't really mean that anyone who ever, even just once, pulls a gun on another person is a thug.
Is someone a thug if he has a gun on him because he is aware of the type of people he is going to see and he pulls the gun out when they start shooting at him? Also, how many thuggish events in his life doesn't take to make him a thug?
dgreen
Footballguy
Hey, I'm fine if he wants to stick with his comment, not explain himself, and leave it up to readers' assumptions what he meant. Not a big deal.Ironically, that was Sean Taylor's life. He didn't speak to the media much. He didn't explain himself or give his side of the story about anything. That led to the current outsider view of him being a thug. Now his story is coming out.Limp Ditka said:
JohnnyU
Footballguy
....and did you happen to see how tame my comments were in comparison to some in this thread? I also got the boot for it. Makes me go hmmmm..
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Ah but if you're a Redskins fan you get to say what you want and start any arguments you want without repercussions.
dgreen
Footballguy
Pocket Joker
Footballguy
I agree. This probably should be ended.I know this is unrelated, but all I can think about is Clayton Bigsby from the Chapelle Show when people go in this direction.
Chapelle always did have a great way to bring controversial topics on his show, and demonstrate how ridiculous most racist people are. I miss his show....
This isn't about sugar coating. This is about me asking people repeatedly to be cool. I don't really care if you come back or not when you get off suspension. J
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Says the guy who tries to make a joke out of a burned Iraqi kid in the FFA.
azgroover
Footballguy
What means this? The kid got burned, they're patching him up, and he gets to live. Tension is escalating in here and pretty soon someone is going to get very offended. Quit trying to correlate two unrelated issues.
buster c
Footballguy
Mad Sweeney
JohnnyU
BYRK
you come around here causing trouble in a thread that for the most part has been filled with respect and in my book, what you're doing is lower than "being a thug." while classy fans of Redskin foes (Cowboys, Eagles, et al) have provided me with a renewed faith in these "opponents," it's truly sad to see that there are still people who get their rocks off in other people's mourning. to hide behind the "PC" label is cowardly. to ignore the testimonies from players and coaches about how this young man had been turning his life around is - to use one of your words - sticking your head in the sand.
you'd do well to stay out of this thread.
JohnnyU
BYRK
you come around here causing trouble in a thread that for the most part has been filled with respect and in my book, what you're doing is lower than "being a thug." while classy fans of Redskin foes (Cowboys, Eagles, et al) have provided me with a renewed faith in these "opponents," it's truly sad to see that there are still people who get their rocks off in other people's mourning. to hide behind the "PC" label is cowardly. to ignore the testimonies from players and coaches about how this young man had been turning his life around is - to use one of your words - sticking your head in the sand.
you'd do well to stay out of this thread.
KoolKat
Footballguy
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Yes, how very antagonistic of me
I deserve to be banned for life for such classlessness and getting my rocks of on other people's mourning. It's not like I made any flippant jokes about "Clue" scenarios while Taylor lay dying (that would be Redman), nor did I slam anyone else's well wishing as insincere and strivinging for martyrdom (also Redman), nor did I do so while another poster was talking about something else entirely (guess who).I know it's an emotionally charged issue and I got into it with some, but I didn't start any arguments, but I never said anything disrespectful about Taylor's condition or about him in this thread, except a brief explanation of why I didn't like him (which I had no intention of doing in this thread, there was another that was merged wherein I did) when pressed by Thayman about it, nor did I make any jokes about it. I didn't say anything about his past coming to get him or any of the other despicable things that were said. I'm sorry that people chose to focus on the first 11 words of my quote, but I hardly think that puts me in the same category as some of the clods who have been downright ugly about the situation.
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fatness
Footballguy
Not much from the police department yet, but that's really not too surprising. They can't announce everything they hear and investigate.
the Post
the Herald
Please be cool and keep away from he said/she said reprises of what person A or person B said in the past. I'm tired of getting reports on this thread from all parties. If y'all can't keep away from starting up arguments with each other, I'm closing and deleting this thread. Last chance, y'all.
MW
MW
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
I haven't read the entire thread, so this may have been said - Taylor pulled a gun on some guys trying to steal his property. If he lived in Texas, he'd be doing someone completely within his rights, and according to many Texans something ethically fine.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Believe me Johnny. I know there is a sliding standard. I guess all you can do is do your best to follow the rules and not worry about what the next guy is doing.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Hey, I didn't say that much in this thread. In essence, I said, "if you play with fire you're going to get burned". Now I don't know about you, but that's very tame in realation to other posts in this thread.
I only was asking you why you could not stand him on or off the field. Then you called me stupid so I just dropped it.Yes, how very antagonistic of meI deserve to be banned for life for such classlessness and getting my rocks of on other people's mourning. It's not like I made any flippant jokes about "Clue" scenarios while Taylor lay dying (that would be Redman), nor did I slam anyone else's well wishing as insincere and strivinging for martyrdom (also Redman), nor did I do so while another poster was talking about something else entirely (guess who).I know it's an emotionally charged issue and I got into it with some, but I didn't start any arguments, but I never said anything disrespectful about Taylor's condition or about him in this thread, except a brief explanation of why I didn't like him (which I had no intention of doing in this thread, there was another that was merged wherein I did) when pressed by Thayman about it, nor did I make any jokes about it. I didn't say anything about his past coming to get him or any of the other despicable things that were said. I'm sorry that people chose to focus on the first 11 words of my quote, but I hardly think that puts me in the same category as some of the clods who have been downright ugly about the situation.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I know how it felt when I found out that Len Bias died so I have sympathy for Redskins fans.
The question I would like to ask those that are saying that he turned around his life since his daughters birth, did his life need turning around? I thought he was pretty low key. A couple of incidents but that seemed normal for a U of Miami player. Is there any evidence that he "turned around his life" or is this just reaction to the testimonials that are being given by his teammates and coaches AFTER he passed away?
I dont read Washingont area papers but I dont recall reading any newspaper profiles talking about the changing fortunes of Sean Taylor. And I know others have said that he didnt talk to the media but he wouldnt have been the first player to have a profile done on him yet refused to be interviewed for the story.
The question I would like to ask those that are saying that he turned around his life since his daughters birth, did his life need turning around? I thought he was pretty low key. A couple of incidents but that seemed normal for a U of Miami player. Is there any evidence that he "turned around his life" or is this just reaction to the testimonials that are being given by his teammates and coaches AFTER he passed away?
I dont read Washingont area papers but I dont recall reading any newspaper profiles talking about the changing fortunes of Sean Taylor. And I know others have said that he didnt talk to the media but he wouldnt have been the first player to have a profile done on him yet refused to be interviewed for the story.
fatness
Footballguy
Wrong.A witness with a criminal record said he did that. The police recovered no gun. The gun charge against Taylor was dropped because there was no evidence.
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Young 8
Footballguy
oh...geezplayers and coaches are defending him....what a surprise
didn't expect that
lol
You know, someone died. Yes, actually died, as in he is dead. He left behind a daughter. Can we just shut off the tool factor? It isn't a laughing matter. No one cares to seee your witty little quips.Young 8 said:oh...geezplayers and coaches are defending him....what a surprise
didn't expect that
lol
Listen to loke on this.JYou know, someone died. Yes, actually died, as in he is dead. He left behind a daughter. Can we just shut off the tool factor? It isn't a laughing matter. No one cares to seee your witty little quips.Young 8 said:oh...geezplayers and coaches are defending him....what a surprise
didn't expect that
lol
dgreen
Footballguy
That's a really good question. He made some mistakes. He was immature leaving the Rookie Symposium early, firing his agent and wanting to renegotiate his contract weeks after signing it, and being pulled over for a DUI. The other incident we know about is the ATV one. Some people don't have a huge problem with what he did there. It's easy as a suburban white kid to say he should have called the cops. But, I'd guess some areas of this country don't grow up with much trust for the cops. He tried to handled that situation on his own and it resulted in him being shot at. Did it work out for him? Not really. But, that one incident doesn't mean his life needed to be turned around. Plus, along with his daughter, that was the other event to made him take notice of the crowd around him. One of the few interviews I saw with him, he commented on how being shot at changed his mindset.Overall, there's currently no evidence that he was in an ***OFFICIAL*** gang or anything. But, he did appear to grow up with a tough crowd. He tried to shed those ties after entering the NFL, at the age of 21. I heard when he arrived in Washington, he brought two friends with him: one to take care of his household stuff and one to take care of other personal stuff. They used him. He dumped them.Did he need to turn his life around? He needed to change some things, for sure. And, he did, or at least began to. But, I don't think he needed to a complete 180. I don't think his life was in such a mess that he was headed in the completely wrong direction. But, obviously, there's much we don't know, both good and bad. As Gregg Williams said yesterday regarding all the character questions about Taylor: "You tell me the bad things you did when you were 16 and I go tell the world."Pat Patriot said:
There were some vague comments about him maturing before he died. But, I don't see the point in throwing out all the testimonials after he died. I don't think they are all making it up. EVERY interview after he died mentioned that he was changing and maturing. They ALL said it. You aren't just hearing it from one or two guys.Gregg Williams spoke yesterday. He told stories about how his two sons were really close to Taylor. One of his sons wears 21 for his HS team. Taylor was like a big brother to them. I seriously doubt Williams would approve of such a relationship if he didn't think Taylor was headed in the right direction or if he thought Taylor was a "thug."
Everyone who gets suspended thinks there's a "sliding scale". No shock there. I don't see every post of the thousands posted every day. If you've got something you see as over the line, please report it. Your post was way over the line and you know it. JJohnnyU said:Hey, I didn't say that much in this thread. In essence, I said, "if you play with fire you're going to get burned". Now I don't know about you, but that's very tame in realation to other posts in this thread.
fatness
Footballguy
There's precious little information coming from the police on the investigation. That's not very satisfying for all of us who want to know what happened but it's probably the best way for an investigation to proceed. There are dribs and drabs of information and opinion from various relatives, family friends, and other sources.
Washington Post
Washington Post
And probably the most important quote from the article:
oneohh
Footballguy
The NFL is strong to be sure, but I doubt that it can take the Mike Vick realities and the Sean Taylor realities all in one season. I don't think we will ever know what really happend to Taylor. If he was into some bad, underworld-type stuff, I believe the NFL will do everything in it's power to keep that from the public. Now maybe this is a cut and dry burglary case, but don't think for one second that it is unfair to paint Taylor with that brush considering his past. That is the way it works. If you develop and live by a pattern - you get judged by that pattern right or wrong.
Young 8
Footballguy
do you know that there are people in the world dying every minute, right ??Yes, actually dying......right now
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dgreen
Footballguy
What's your point?
if Taylor's death is insignificant to you, please just ignore this thread. Thanks.
redman
Footballguy
To complete the answer, the relative lack of coverage of Taylor was the result of Taylor not talking with the media. He was very quiet about himself and didn't do media interviews. It took a long time for him to warm up to people. It's not surprising that the media was not up to speed on the latest developments in his life, much less wasn't in a position to do a profile on him.
dgreen
Footballguy
Nobody's surprised by that. Why would they be? It's poor form to say bad things about someone who just died, unless it's like Hitler or Bin Laden or someone like that. And, the only reason they have to "defend" him is because others are attacking.Young 8 said:
I don't think anyone's torn over his death "only because he's an athlete and he's famous." But, the fact that was an athlete and famous is the reason Redskins fans feel a connection to him. He's a fan favorite. Many of us were in awe of his skills and what he did on Sundays entertained us and brought us joy. Having that connection and watching him play football for almost four years was meaningful to some. Therefore, some are hurt by his death. It doesn't hurt you. Good for you.ETA: Sorry, Aaron. I just noticed you (or someone) deleted his latest posts. Feel free to delete this one, too, if you want.
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http://www.miamiherald.com/854/story/326903.html
3 detained in Sean Taylor homicide
Posted on Fri, Nov. 30, 2007Digg del.icio.us AIM reprint print email
BY MANNY GARCIA AND DAVID OVALLE
dovalle@MiamiHerald.com
JACQUELINE MARTIN/AP
Sean Taylor fan Willie Mae Cobb holds a poem she wrote in honor of the slain Washington Redskins player after signing a condolence book for him at the Anacostia Metro station in southeast Washington on Thursday.
Miami-Dade detectives have detained two teenagers and a man in his 20s in Lee County for questioning in the death of Washington Redskins football star Sean Taylor.
Investigators believe the young men learned of Taylor's house through someone who unwittingly set up the burglary by bragging about the football star's wealth.
The suspects include 17- and 19-year-olds and a 26-year-old. All hail from the Fort Myers area.
The former University of Miami star was not supposed to be home at the time of the break-in. While the Redskins played in Tampa, he had come home to get a second medical opinion on his injured knee.
Florida Department of Law Enforcement agents and at least two Miami-Dade homicide squads have been in Fort Myers and they picked up the young men Friday morning.
3 detained in Sean Taylor homicide
Posted on Fri, Nov. 30, 2007Digg del.icio.us AIM reprint print email
BY MANNY GARCIA AND DAVID OVALLE
dovalle@MiamiHerald.com
JACQUELINE MARTIN/AP
Sean Taylor fan Willie Mae Cobb holds a poem she wrote in honor of the slain Washington Redskins player after signing a condolence book for him at the Anacostia Metro station in southeast Washington on Thursday.
Miami-Dade detectives have detained two teenagers and a man in his 20s in Lee County for questioning in the death of Washington Redskins football star Sean Taylor.
Investigators believe the young men learned of Taylor's house through someone who unwittingly set up the burglary by bragging about the football star's wealth.
The suspects include 17- and 19-year-olds and a 26-year-old. All hail from the Fort Myers area.
The former University of Miami star was not supposed to be home at the time of the break-in. While the Redskins played in Tampa, he had come home to get a second medical opinion on his injured knee.
Florida Department of Law Enforcement agents and at least two Miami-Dade homicide squads have been in Fort Myers and they picked up the young men Friday morning.
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428143
Footballguy
I agree, and I hope the NFL does everything in its power to keep the shadier aspects of this death on the down low. Taylor and his family deserve this, as they know whay may have caused such a shooting. No reason to turn this into a public spectacle...
oneohh
Footballguy
No, you are right. There is no reason to create a spectacle. But the NFL either needs to do a better job of educating these raw, young, somtimes clueless kids or stop letting them in the league and giving them millions of dollars. And I am not looking to start trouble by saying that. I realize that a man is dead a that is very sad. I do not intend to trample on Taylors grave. I do think that this sort of thing, along with the Vick situation could have been avoided. This is no different than MLB turning a blind eye to steroids. The NFL has let this stuff happen because their players and their superstars most importantly are their product.
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