Reggie Bush is a slightly better than avg rb in the NFL (1 Viewer)

[sib]

Any way you cut it Reggie Bush has been a huge disappointment. 581 rushing yards and 4Tds..and this after Deuce getting injured for the year in the 3rd game of the season.If it wasn't for PPR leagues, Bush wouldn't have any supporters. The folks that defend Bush often start it off with "well in my PPR league Bush is doing pretty well...." Guys like Ron Dayne, Ryan Grant, Derrick Ward, and Warrick Dunn have all outrushed him. Hell even Ronnie Brown still has more rushing yards than this guy And yes I have Reggie Bush in a dynasty league..and yes it's a PPR league, but the reality is the guy has been a huge disappointment. The numbers that Adrian Peterson is putting up..that's the way Reggie was hyped..and Reggie is no Adrian Peterson. Also his 5.7 yards per reception is nothing to really brag about..

Yeah since Reggie has been fully healthy the whole season, and NO as a team has played awesome this year in all facets, without questionable playcalling and line play Reggie should be the top back in FF.... players with injuries on struggling teams are bums...I agree.

Get used to saying the injury line anytime he gets 20+ touches for 2 consecutive games.....

 

[sib]

Any way you cut it Reggie Bush has been a huge disappointment. 581 rushing yards and 4Tds..and this after Deuce getting injured for the year in the 3rd game of the season.If it wasn't for PPR leagues, Bush wouldn't have any supporters. The folks that defend Bush often start it off with "well in my PPR league Bush is doing pretty well...." Guys like Ron Dayne, Ryan Grant, Derrick Ward, and Warrick Dunn have all outrushed him. Hell even Ronnie Brown still has more rushing yards than this guy And yes I have Reggie Bush in a dynasty league..and yes it's a PPR league, but the reality is the guy has been a huge disappointment. The numbers that Adrian Peterson is putting up..that's the way Reggie was hyped..and Reggie is no Adrian Peterson. Also his 5.7 yards per reception is nothing to really brag about..

Yeah since Reggie has been fully healthy the whole season, and NO as a team has played awesome this year in all facets, without questionable playcalling and line play Reggie should be the top back in FF.... players with injuries on struggling teams are bums...I agree.

Nice excuse. AD is on a struggling team for most of the season. No QB. No WR. No TE.Bush had AD type hype. AD lived up to it. Bush hasn't. Blame whatever you want. LT joined a AWFUL team in his rookie year. Bush has done the least with the most. Other RBs like MJD have done the most with the least. Bush gets FAR more plays called for him then AD. AD has big play ability. Bush clearly doesn't. One big play per 200 touches isnt big play ability. AD is like one in 10.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I think that the Rose Bowl against Texas showed that quick LBs and DEs could negate a lot of Bush's advantage: speed to the outside. The Longhorns were able to beat him to the sideline on most every play but 1 (his TD). The same thing is happening in the NFL.

 

[Ksquared]

I believe Bush had break away speed as demonstrated early in his rookie year (but maybe not long distance speed). He had breakaway speed on the TD against Chicago in the NFC Championship last year (everyone seems to forget that play). But this season he clearly has shown little of that extra burst that I thought he demonstrated some in the past.

I believe he may have lost his burst due to his ankle injury suffered last Feb in that basketball game (reinjury of an earlier ankle injury). I thought I read where he was limited early in training camp due to that ankle sprain. That means it was bothering him 5 month later, not a good sign. Especially since he seems to have lost the explosive burst I observed at times last year. Is this a permanent thing? I don't know, but I hope not.

 

[Bwanna]

I'm ready to drop him (gulp) in my non-PPR league for Ron Dayne and his matchup with Denver next week.

 

[mon]

Even though I'm down on Bush this year, I think he eventually turns things around -- maybe next year, maybe the year after. He has talent, and he has a TO-sized ego. People with that sort of ego push themselves. There are things he has to work on to get better, there are things the coaching staff has to do, and he needs better blocking. Let's remember this is only his second year in the NFL.

 

[tombonneau]

I've been a big Bush backer, but right now he simply isn't getting it done, for whatever reason.

Though I still think he is better than a slightly above-average RB. While his performance might not indicate it, as others have stated, Ds are gameplanning against him specifically, and he does things that open up the rest of the offense even when Bush isn't getting the ball.

Other slightly above average RBs like Ernest Graham or Thomas Jones or McGahee simply don't have that kind of impact.

But from a pure performance rushing/receiving perspective, I agree with the OP.

 

[TheFanatic]

I've been a big Bush backer, but right now he simply isn't getting it done, for whatever reason.

Though I still think he is better than a slightly above-average RB. While his performance might not indicate it, as others have stated, Ds are gameplanning against him specifically, and he does things that open up the rest of the offense even when Bush isn't getting the ball.

Other slightly above average RBs like Ernest Graham or Thomas Jones or McGahee simply don't have that kind of impact.

But from a pure performance rushing/receiving perspective, I agree with the OP.

I think that this is wrong. Teams game plan against Brees. Remember the guy that threw for 4K last year? All they do for Bush is have a speedy LB keep an eye on him out of the backfield. Maybe he needs a bruiser like Deuce in there to wear down D's with pounding hits? Maybe he's just not a 20 carry a game guy? Maybe the adjustment from the line at USC and an average (at best) NFL Line is not an easy one....

 

[qimqam]

If you took away all the hype from Reggie Bush, all you would be left with is a slightly better than average running back. If you took away his pass catching skills he would be a well below avg running back in the NFL.To me he is simply not (and never will be) a dominant NFL running back.I just don't get all the hype.With Deuce gone you would think that Bush would be able to step up like lesser name backs like E.Graham have done. Instead Bush has many people starting to question exactly how good Reggie Bush truly is.Bush was clearly not worth the #1 overall pick in the draft. It seems the Texans were correct.

I was thinking of starting a similar post today ... however I think he is below average and bordering on terrible. His receptions save him ... although his average per reception is closer to rushing averages than receiving. Compare him to what most would think are average or below averge backs and it gets worse ... These guys have all outperformed BushWard Graham Fargas Grant WatsonFred Jackson ( I believe he had more yards in his first start than Bush has had in any game this year. The only thing that seperates him from Cedric Benson is his receiving

 

[tombonneau]

I've been a big Bush backer, but right now he simply isn't getting it done, for whatever reason.

Though I still think he is better than a slightly above-average RB. While his performance might not indicate it, as others have stated, Ds are gameplanning against him specifically, and he does things that open up the rest of the offense even when Bush isn't getting the ball.

Other slightly above average RBs like Ernest Graham or Thomas Jones or McGahee simply don't have that kind of impact.

But from a pure performance rushing/receiving perspective, I agree with the OP.

I think that this is wrong. Teams game plan against Brees. Remember the guy that threw for 4K last year? All they do for Bush is have a speedy LB keep an eye on him out of the backfield. Maybe he needs a bruiser like Deuce in there to wear down D's with pounding hits? Maybe he's just not a 20 carry a game guy? Maybe the adjustment from the line at USC and an average (at best) NFL Line is not an easy one....

That's not true. I've seen plays where Bush shifts and splits out wide, then when the ball is snapped heads back for the end around and sucks the entire D, Brees fakes it and throws a pass.He warrants much more respect from the D than a a "slightly above-avg" RB would on that play.

 

[mad sweeney]

Isn't this much like last year though? Mario plays badly and the Texans are dumb to take him....Reggie has a good finish which adds to that perception....and now Reggie struggles and Mario has 4 or 5 good games and now the Texans are smart. It seems like the perception of who got the better deal fluctuates with the play of each guy...

welcome to the Shark Pool.guys go from world class busts to Hall of Famers in a week's time. given a 2-3 game stretch of poor play you'll see people screaming that players should be cut from NFL rosters. 2-3 good games in a row and there is talk of their position among the all-time greats.it's pretty awful

I thought it was game by game. You remember the RBBC in Indy with Addai and Keith, Keith being the GL back.

 

[mad sweeney]

I've been a big Bush backer, but right now he simply isn't getting it done, for whatever reason.

Though I still think he is better than a slightly above-average RB. While his performance might not indicate it, as others have stated, Ds are gameplanning against him specifically, and he does things that open up the rest of the offense even when Bush isn't getting the ball.

Other slightly above average RBs like Ernest Graham or Thomas Jones or McGahee simply don't have that kind of impact.

But from a pure performance rushing/receiving perspective, I agree with the OP.

I think that this is wrong. Teams game plan against Brees. Remember the guy that threw for 4K last year? All they do for Bush is have a speedy LB keep an eye on him out of the backfield. Maybe he needs a bruiser like Deuce in there to wear down D's with pounding hits? Maybe he's just not a 20 carry a game guy? Maybe the adjustment from the line at USC and an average (at best) NFL Line is not an easy one....

I think Bush works best when he is not the main RB. He can be a dominant RB/WR combo with a "true" RB "starting" in front of him. He led all rookies in receptions and was up there in overall receptions last year while "splitting" time with Deuce. He just can't be used like he was last year without a competent RB in the backfield with him. Last year, when Bush and Deuce were in Ds didn't know where Bush would end up at the snap and who the ball would go to. Bush motions out and takes a guy out of the box with him, fake to him or Deuce and give the ball to the other. Line him up at WR with Deuce in the backfield and motion Bush back there. Meanwhile Brees is able to pop off 4K becuase at least 1 defender is always adjusting to where Bush is or was. He is an absolutely terrifying weapon for Ds to deal with when he is free to move like that. But as the main RB he's not as elusive pre-snap. Nobody's owrried about Bush/Stecker in the backfield like they are about Bush/DMC. And because Ds don't have to account for him as much, it makes their job/assignments easier which makes Brees and Payton's job of exploiting mismatches harder. You don't have to game plan around Bush the main RB, but you do have to game plan around Bush the "where's he going to be" RB when there's a quality guy like McAllister back there. I liken him to Palomalu. He roams around a wreaks havoc because he's never where you think he's going to be, but he needs a solid group around/behind him or else he gets "exposed". When Bush gets that Big Brother in the backfield with him again then he'll be the big offensive weapon he could/should be. But anyone who thinks/thought that Bush would be an LT/Faulk all around uber stud, especailly in his first few seasons are wrong. He didn't do that at SC and he isn't doing it in NO this year. But used properly he could be as dangerous a player as any could be not just ofr his stats but for what he allows others to do just by being on the field.

 

[Franchise Playa]

Any way you cut it Reggie Bush has been a huge disappointment. 581 rushing yards and 4Tds..and this after Deuce getting injured for the year in the 3rd game of the season.If it wasn't for PPR leagues, Bush wouldn't have any supporters. The folks that defend Bush often start it off with "well in my PPR league Bush is doing pretty well...." Guys like Ron Dayne, Ryan Grant, Derrick Ward, and Warrick Dunn have all outrushed him. Hell even Ronnie Brown still has more rushing yards than this guy And yes I have Reggie Bush in a dynasty league..and yes it's a PPR league, but the reality is the guy has been a huge disappointment. The numbers that Adrian Peterson is putting up..that's the way Reggie was hyped..and Reggie is no Adrian Peterson. Also his 5.7 yards per reception is nothing to really brag about..

Yeah since Reggie has been fully healthy the whole season, and NO as a team has played awesome this year in all facets, without questionable playcalling and line play Reggie should be the top back in FF.... players with injuries on struggling teams are bums...I agree.

Nice excuse. AD is on a struggling team for most of the season. No QB. No WR. No TE.Bush had AD type hype. AD lived up to it. Bush hasn't. Blame whatever you want. LT joined a AWFUL team in his rookie year. Bush has done the least with the most. Other RBs like MJD have done the most with the least. Bush gets FAR more plays called for him then AD. AD has big play ability. Bush clearly doesn't. One big play per 200 touches isnt big play ability. AD is like one in 10.

You must have missed the part of the thread where people mentioned Bush is NOT a regular back and should not be held to the same standard. He needs things lined up to be effective...he is not MJD or AD...His limitations in that regard are well known. He needs good line play, QB play and correct playcalling. He is getting none of that + an injury to top it. Im not excusing his poor performance at all...I responded to the notion that his lack of production is all his fault and he should produce like a regular back when he clearly is not one.and I repeat Reggie Bush is a slash type of player not a Running back. Comparing his struggles to other true RBs like LT or AD isn't a true picture.

 

[switz]

I love that this thread is posted after a game where Bush averaged nearly 5 YPC or so

 

[SSOG]

Umm, how is it Williams or Bush. They passed on the hometown hero VY to pay David Carr another 8 mil and waste a year of everyone's lives.

How's Vince Young been looking so far this season?

The Titans are 7-5 and in the playoff hunt. They've owned the Texans the last 4 times they played them (6 in a row actually) and the Texans are 5-7 and floundering after a decent start. Oh, and while VY's ints are up this year, he's dramatically increased his completion percentage, had a modest bump in YPA and , and is on pace for similar TD totals. All this with a group of WRs that are significantly worse than last year and may be the worst corps in the league. I'd say he's progressing quite well.

Yes, the Titans are 7-5 and in the playoff hunt. Yes, they've beaten Houston the last 4 times they've played. None of this answers my question.You can spout off all of the team stats you want, but it won't change a thing. Haynesworth has been unbelievable and the defense has been carrying the team. This does not make Vince Young a good QB. You know what would make Vince Young a good QB so far in his career? If he played well. And so far, he hasn't. Not even close. You could put Vince Young on the 1985 Bears or the 2000 Ravens and he might win a superbowl, but that wouldn't make him a good QB.Look, if you want some stats to convey how bad Vince Young has been, I'd be happy to oblige. If you like Football Outsiders, then Young ranks 36th in the league in passing DVOA (out of 47), and 22nd in the league in DVOA rushing (out of 31). If you prefer more conventional statistics, Vince Young ranks 30th in the league in passer rating (out of 34), and has thrown 2 INTs for every TD this season (and this is after his 2-TD, 1-INT game today) His completion percentage is artificially inflated, much like David Carr's was last season (and only ranks 16th in the NFL, anyway), because he's throwing too many short passes and dumpoffs, and his ypa might be a tick over his rookie season, but it's still 24th in the NFL. He's been, not to put too fine a point on it, absolutely HORRIBLE this year. He might turn into a great pro, but it's pretty darn silly to say that Vince Young has demonstrated that he'd be a better pick than Mario Williams based on the play of Albert Haynesworth this season.If you really want to say that Houston needed a QB more than a DE, Cutler has been night-and-day better than Young to this point in their careers. Either way, that Matt Schaub thing wound up working out pretty well for them.

The Titans have next to no talent on offense outside of Vince. Care to explain how exactly they went from a horrid running team at the start of last year, into one of the best in the NFL since? Yes, he's dumping off alot. Might that be because he doesnt have any WRs that get separation? And Cutler is surrounder by plenty of players with talent, Marshall, Walker, and Stokely would all be the best WR on the Titans. Considering his surrounding cast, I see plenty of improvement in VY this year, especially after losing Henry this offseason.

Lots of players have poor surrounding casts, but it takes a special kind of suck to post a 1:2 TD:INT ratio. And for all the talk about Cutler's weapons, where's the talk that out of Denver's 5 offensive linemen, not a single one was playing his current position 16 games ago? Nalen's on IR, Hamilton's on IR, Lepsis was on IR last year, Eric Pears was playing LT last year. George Foster and Cooper Carlisle both left town. Denver has three starters on the line with 16 games or less on their resume, a fourth starter who's brand new to the system this year, and a fifth who is coming off of a season-ending injury that typically takes 2 years to recover from. Cutler's also lost Walker for pretty much the entire season so far, and his RBs have all been injured throughout the year. Maybe at the beginning of the season there was a talent gap, but at this very moment, there's not a huge talent gap between Denver and Tennessee on offense right now. Add in the fact that Cutler's having to constantly play hero because Denver's defense blows chunks, while Young can just sit back and play safe because his defense has been carrying his team.VY might have improved over last season (I don't buy it, but I acknowledge that the possibility exists), but that doesn't mean he's played the best of any QB drafted in that class, and it certainly doesn't mean he's played better than Mario Williams (or even Matt Schaub, the guy the Texans got instead of Young).

There isnt much of a talent gap in large part because of all the abilities VY brings to a game. It's been evident since he became a starter that his presence helps open up running lanes. Yeah, VYs got too many ints this year and not nearly enough TDs, yet they're winning. He's producing enough points and not hurting his team too much. As for other players, Schaub cant stay on the field and is just as much of a turn over machine as VY despite have a couple of extra years in the league. And watch some Texans games, Mario disappears for long stretches at a time. Sure, hes starter quality DE, but he's not playing all that well on a game to game or even down to down basis. Cutler sure is beating VY every place but where it matters, the W-L column. I didn't think VY was all that good once upon a time. Doubted he could elevate his game play and develop into a premier passer in college football or overcome the weak coaching of Mack Brown. I was wrong. The guy will make himself better and already has the quality so few QBs posses in the NFL - he's a winner.

Kyle Orton was producing enough points and not hurting his team too much in 2005, because the Bears won a ton with him at the helm. Maybe the Texans should have traded that #1 overall draft pick for Orton.I also fail to see how Schaub, a player who averages an INT per 32 attempts, is just as much of a turnover machine as Young, a player who averages an INT per 21 attempts. Surely it's not a difference in fumbles- both have 7 on the year. And this also completely ignores everything else. Young completes 62% of his passes, while Schaub completes 66.4%. Most damning of all, Young averages 6.5 ypa, while Schaub averages 7.8. That's a massive difference.Oh yeah, I forgot. Vince Young is a winner. Well, Kyle Orton has a 71% career winning percentage, which dwarfs Young's 60% career winning percentage. Once again, Houston would have clearly been better served by trading the #1 overall for Orton, a proven winner.

 

[cobalt_27]

Kyle Orton was producing enough points and not hurting his team too much in 2005, because the Bears won a ton with him at the helm. Maybe the Texans should have traded that #1 overall draft pick for Orton.

I also fail to see how Schaub, a player who averages an INT per 32 attempts, is just as much of a turnover machine as Young, a player who averages an INT per 21 attempts. Surely it's not a difference in fumbles- both have 7 on the year. And this also completely ignores everything else. Young completes 62% of his passes, while Schaub completes 66.4%. Most damning of all, Young averages 6.5 ypa, while Schaub averages 7.8. That's a massive difference.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Vince Young is a winner. Well, Kyle Orton has a 71% career winning percentage, which dwarfs Young's 60% career winning percentage. Once again, Houston would have clearly been better served by trading the #1 overall for Orton, a proven winner.

Never understood all this love for such a bad QB. He's not even mediocre. He's bad. Until he plays better, I won't be convinced otherwise.

It's a good thing he's got 21 other starters around him to pick up the slack and contribute to winning football.

 

[Captain Spaulding]

Any way you cut it Reggie Bush has been a huge disappointment. 581 rushing yards and 4Tds..and this after Deuce getting injured for the year in the 3rd game of the season.If it wasn't for PPR leagues, Bush wouldn't have any supporters. The folks that defend Bush often start it off with "well in my PPR league Bush is doing pretty well...." Guys like Ron Dayne, Ryan Grant, Derrick Ward, and Warrick Dunn have all outrushed him. Hell even Ronnie Brown still has more rushing yards than this guy And yes I have Reggie Bush in a dynasty league..and yes it's a PPR league, but the reality is the guy has been a huge disappointment. The numbers that Adrian Peterson is putting up..that's the way Reggie was hyped..and Reggie is no Adrian Peterson. Also his 5.7 yards per reception is nothing to really brag about..

Yeah since Reggie has been fully healthy the whole season, and NO as a team has played awesome this year in all facets, without questionable playcalling and line play Reggie should be the top back in FF.... players with injuries on struggling teams are bums...I agree.

Nice excuse. AD is on a struggling team for most of the season. No QB. No WR. No TE.Bush had AD type hype. AD lived up to it. Bush hasn't. Blame whatever you want. LT joined a AWFUL team in his rookie year. Bush has done the least with the most. Other RBs like MJD have done the most with the least. Bush gets FAR more plays called for him then AD. AD has big play ability. Bush clearly doesn't. One big play per 200 touches isnt big play ability. AD is like one in 10.

Agree 2nd time. For the # of touches Bush gets each game...he sure isn't making many big plays as expected. I think there is sufficient trends and track record now on Bush to label him overrated and a bust compared to the expectations and hype. Its not like he's in the D. Williams situation, still sitting in the #2 slot with limited playing time to say "he still hasn't proven enough to be labeled a bust". Bad news is I've got both those goons in dynasty rookie draft last year. I'm screwed!

 

[dparker713]

Kyle Orton was producing enough points and not hurting his team too much in 2005, because the Bears won a ton with him at the helm. Maybe the Texans should have traded that #1 overall draft pick for Orton.I also fail to see how Schaub, a player who averages an INT per 32 attempts, is just as much of a turnover machine as Young, a player who averages an INT per 21 attempts. Surely it's not a difference in fumbles- both have 7 on the year. And this also completely ignores everything else. Young completes 62% of his passes, while Schaub completes 66.4%. Most damning of all, Young averages 6.5 ypa, while Schaub averages 7.8. That's a massive difference.Oh yeah, I forgot. Vince Young is a winner. Well, Kyle Orton has a 71% career winning percentage, which dwarfs Young's 60% career winning percentage. Once again, Houston would have clearly been better served by trading the #1 overall for Orton, a proven winner.

I said turnovers, not fumbles. So fumbles lost is the stat. Schaub has 3 to VYs 2. VY has turned the ball over 16 times in 11 (1.45 per) games this year. Schaub has played in 11 games, but has 3 partial games in there due to injuries. 12 TOs in 8 games (1.5 per) or adding up the partials - 12 TOs in 9 games (1.33) Take a closer look at Schaubs numbers. With AJ, he posted 1035 yards in 124 attempts for a 8.35 ypa and 7 TDs verses 3 ints. Without AJ, he posted 1206 yards on 165 attempts for a 7.31 ypa and 2 TDs verses 6 ints. Yes, his ypa is still considerably higher than VY even without AJ, but hes a full yard less than when he has a dangerous person to throw to. Now, who on the Titans is even remotely close to AJ's ability? The case can be made that the Titans dont even have anyone as good as either Walter or Davis. Having watched both of them play a fair amount this year, I think they both have potential to become top QBs in the league. However, to say the Texans are vastly better off with Mario and Schaub rather than VY and 2 second round picks is a stretch.

 

[Football Jones]

I really don't know what to make of Bush. I was one of the few who were reserved about his NFL potential coming out of college, but I thought he'd be more of a factor in the real world. Even his yards per catch are very ordinary. In short, he's not as elusive as advertised & he doesn't break tackles. Pierre Thomas is their best back, IMO, & I believe Thomas' touches could go up exponentially next season.

 

[switz]

I really don't know what to make of Bush. I was one of the few who were reserved about his NFL potential coming out of college, but I thought he'd be more of a factor in the real world. Even his yards per catch are very ordinary. In short, he's not as elusive as advertised & he doesn't break tackles. Pierre Thomas is their best back, IMO, & I believe Thomas' touches could go up exponentially next season.

I seriously feel like this thread is out of the Twilight Zone... Bush just went 13-64, or 4.9YPC.... and people are in here saying he's a bust.And then on the "injury prone" label... how many games has Bush missed?And then people are in here talking about MJD - didn't he just average less YPC (4.7) this week?I just don't get it. Bush isn't ADP, no one else is ADP but ADP, but Bush doesn't suck.

 

[switz]

For the # of touches Bush gets each game...he sure isn't making many big plays as expected.

You mean the whopping 16 touches this week? It's not even likely he'll get 200 carries (157 so far) this year.

 

[cobalt_27]

I really don't know what to make of Bush. I was one of the few who were reserved about his NFL potential coming out of college, but I thought he'd be more of a factor in the real world. Even his yards per catch are very ordinary. In short, he's not as elusive as advertised & he doesn't break tackles. Pierre Thomas is their best back, IMO, & I believe Thomas' touches could go up exponentially next season.

I seriously feel like this thread is out of the Twilight Zone... Bush just went 13-64, or 4.9YPC.... and people are in here saying he's a bust.And then on the "injury prone" label... how many games has Bush missed?

And then people are in here talking about MJD - didn't he just average less YPC (4.7) this week?

I just don't get it. Bush isn't ADP, no one else is ADP but ADP, but Bush doesn't suck.

What's Bush's YPC for the season?Of the 60 RBs with at least 50 rushes this season, Bush ranks 45th in YPC (3.7).

He's a reception hog, yes. But, in that same group of 60 RBs, Bush ranks 53rd in YPR (5.7).

I think he might actually kinda-sorta suck. If he doesn't suck, at minimum then, he's really done nothing to warrant all the hype.

 

[sib]

For the # of touches Bush gets each game...he sure isn't making many big plays as expected.

You mean the whopping 16 touches this week? It's not even likely he'll get 200 carries (157 so far) this year.

His lack of touches probably correlate to the fact that the guy gets nagging injuries and can't carry the load week in and week out. True, he doesn't miss games, but he can't seem to shake the nagging injuries (ankle, shin, knee, etc)It's nice he's had almost 5 ypc this week, but that will only be the 4th time all year he's had a ypc over 4 (he's had 4 games with a ypc less than 3) As to why the boo-birds are coming out this week? Usually Reggie gets his 6, 7 "catches" (really they are glorified handoffs) for 20-25 yards which satisfies people in PPR leagues because he can crack double-digits that way...past 2 weeks his receptions have fallen off as well...

 

[CletiusMaximus]

HOU did NOT do the smartest thing they could dothey COULD have traded down one or two spots, grabbed 2-3 more first day picks in 2007 and/or 2008picked Mario Williams stillAND not have had to pay Mario as much and thus saved capspacethey picked the right player ... but with all the hype, Bush could have nearly garnered ta herschel walker pick lottery

How do you know this is true? Do you really believe the Texans did not explore options for trading down and left picks on the table?

 

[TheFanatic]

I really don't know what to make of Bush. I was one of the few who were reserved about his NFL potential coming out of college, but I thought he'd be more of a factor in the real world. Even his yards per catch are very ordinary. In short, he's not as elusive as advertised & he doesn't break tackles. Pierre Thomas is their best back, IMO, & I believe Thomas' touches could go up exponentially next season.

I seriously feel like this thread is out of the Twilight Zone... Bush just went 13-64, or 4.9YPC.... and people are in here saying he's a bust.And then on the "injury prone" label... how many games has Bush missed?

And then people are in here talking about MJD - didn't he just average less YPC (4.7) this week?

I just don't get it. Bush isn't ADP, no one else is ADP but ADP, but Bush doesn't suck.

Hmmmm....MJD in my non-PPR league just went ahead of the Pepsi/Nike/Subway promoting Bush. Bush is the starter. MJD is the backup. Yeah, Bush is the better back. Yeah, MJD shouldn't be mentioned here because he is the better RB by about a mile and a half. For all you of you with the Bush Man Love and the MJD Man Hate (Switz), when Deuce comes back will Bush be the RB1? When Fred Taylor retires will the Jags draft someone to be the RB1? If you answer anything but no to these questions then you are an absolute fool. N.O. needs to kill the clock against the Bucs and they call a gadget play because they have a WR playing RB and know they can't get any yards up the middle and lose the game because of the bad toss by Bush? Ron Dayne is the better RB than Bush. At least that brutha can hit a hole and run between the tackles.

The guy is mediocre as a RB. Hella WR. Average at best RB. And please do not quote stats from one game and then relate those stats which are .2 higher than MJD's for one game and even pretend like that is a statistically significant difference. If you can explain 'statistically significant' or 'power' when it comes to stats without going to wikipedia or some other knowledge base I will applaud you. But since you brought up outliers and compared them like they have some bearing on the overall debate I'm willing to bet the closest you ever got to a collegiate stats class was when you swept the halls outside of one....

 

[kingmalaki]

I really don't know what to make of Bush. I was one of the few who were reserved about his NFL potential coming out of college, but I thought he'd be more of a factor in the real world. Even his yards per catch are very ordinary. In short, he's not as elusive as advertised & he doesn't break tackles. Pierre Thomas is their best back, IMO, & I believe Thomas' touches could go up exponentially next season.

I seriously feel like this thread is out of the Twilight Zone... Bush just went 13-64, or 4.9YPC.... and people are in here saying he's a bust.And then on the "injury prone" label... how many games has Bush missed?And then people are in here talking about MJD - didn't he just average less YPC (4.7) this week?I just don't get it. Bush isn't ADP, no one else is ADP but ADP, but Bush doesn't suck.

He doesn't suck but he has clearly dissapointed his expectations coming into the league....

 

[SDslug]

At least Bush sells a lot of jersey's.

 

[montanagold]

Said from the get go... he is the modern day version of Eric Metcalf.

 

[cobalt_27]

Pop Quiz.

Which RB in this group has more rushing yards than Bush this year? (This is not an open-notes quiz; no peeking on the innernet)

1. Cedric Benson

2. Justin Fargas

3. Ryan Grant*

4. Ron Dayne*

5. Chester Taylor*

6. Derrick Ward*

7. Ronnie Brown*

8. Warrick Dunn

Hint: Those with the asterisks have less rushing attempts than Bush, so that should help some.

Good luck.

 

[montanagold]

Pop Quiz.Which RB in this group has more rushing yards than Bush this year? (This is not an open-notes quiz; no peeking on the innernet)1. Cedric Benson2. Justin Fargas3. Ryan Grant*4. Ron Dayne*5. Chester Taylor*6. Derrick Ward*7. Ronnie Brown*8. Warrick DunnHint: Those with the asterisks have less rushing attempts than Bush, so that should help some.Good luck.

Is this a trick question?? I might say all of the above?

 

[Blackjacks]

I think that the Rose Bowl against Texas showed that quick LBs and DEs could negate a lot of Bush's advantage: speed to the outside. The Longhorns were able to beat him to the sideline on most every play but 1 (his TD). The same thing is happening in the NFL.

didn't he have close to 200 all purpose yards in that game?

 

[Blackjacks]

I really don't know what to make of Bush. I was one of the few who were reserved about his NFL potential coming out of college, but I thought he'd be more of a factor in the real world. Even his yards per catch are very ordinary. In short, he's not as elusive as advertised & he doesn't break tackles. Pierre Thomas is their best back, IMO, & I believe Thomas' touches could go up exponentially next season.

I seriously feel like this thread is out of the Twilight Zone... Bush just went 13-64, or 4.9YPC.... and people are in here saying he's a bust.And then on the "injury prone" label... how many games has Bush missed?

And then people are in here talking about MJD - didn't he just average less YPC (4.7) this week?

I just don't get it. Bush isn't ADP, no one else is ADP but ADP, but Bush doesn't suck.

Hmmmm....MJD in my non-PPR league just went ahead of the Pepsi/Nike/Subway promoting Bush. Bush is the starter. MJD is the backup. Yeah, Bush is the better back. Yeah, MJD shouldn't be mentioned here because he is the better RB by about a mile and a half. For all you of you with the Bush Man Love and the MJD Man Hate (Switz), when Deuce comes back will Bush be the RB1? When Fred Taylor retires will the Jags draft someone to be the RB1? If you answer anything but no to these questions then you are an absolute fool. N.O. needs to kill the clock against the Bucs and they call a gadget play because they have a WR playing RB and know they can't get any yards up the middle and lose the game because of the bad toss by Bush? Ron Dayne is the better RB than Bush. At least that brutha can hit a hole and run between the tackles.

The guy is mediocre as a RB. Hella WR. Average at best RB. And please do not quote stats from one game and then relate those stats which are .2 higher than MJD's for one game and even pretend like that is a statistically significant difference. If you can explain 'statistically significant' or 'power' when it comes to stats without going to wikipedia or some other knowledge base I will applaud you. But since you brought up outliers and compared them like they have some bearing on the overall debate I'm willing to bet the closest you ever got to a collegiate stats class was when you swept the halls outside of one....

Well you email me this link so I guess you want me to get in the arguement Scotty. While I'll admit I have been alittle disappointed in Bush the last 2 weeks he is still having a nice season. The only reason MJD is finally ranked ahead of him is td's. Reggie is still outgaining him in total yards by about 100 yards (Reggie does have 70 more touches though). Before the last 2 weeks Reggie had been looking really good and I don't know why but the last 2 weeks he has definelty looked subpar, not enough to make me jump off the bandwagon thoguh. He has however had a better ypc this year than last while carrying the load himself. MJD does have the advantage of coming in fresh for goalline touches. We will see who gets the sig bet at the end of the year i guess.and to answer your ? YES Reggie will be the #1 IF Deuce comes back.

 

[cobalt_27]

Pop Quiz.Which RB in this group has more rushing yards than Bush this year? (This is not an open-notes quiz; no peeking on the innernet)1. Cedric Benson2. Justin Fargas3. Ryan Grant*4. Ron Dayne*5. Chester Taylor*6. Derrick Ward*7. Ronnie Brown*8. Warrick DunnHint: Those with the asterisks have less rushing attempts than Bush, so that should help some.Good luck.

Is this a trick question?? I might say all of the above?

Trick question? There is no trick to this. Just answer who you think has more rushing yards than Bush. Don't make this harder than it is.

 

[Sheriff Harry Lee]

Thought you might like this: http://www.wwltv.com/video/news-index.html?nvid=197987

 

[Colin Dowling]

I think that the Rose Bowl against Texas showed that quick LBs and DEs could negate a lot of Bush's advantage: speed to the outside. The Longhorns were able to beat him to the sideline on most every play but 1 (his TD). The same thing is happening in the NFL.

didn't he have close to 200 all purpose yards in that game?

277 if you include return yards. But the "he can score from anywhere!" bit was neutralized to a large degree. He had three huge plays: his fumble to the Olineman, his TD (24), and the screen on the 2nd to last play of the game (33).

 

[TheFanatic]

I really don't know what to make of Bush. I was one of the few who were reserved about his NFL potential coming out of college, but I thought he'd be more of a factor in the real world. Even his yards per catch are very ordinary. In short, he's not as elusive as advertised & he doesn't break tackles. Pierre Thomas is their best back, IMO, & I believe Thomas' touches could go up exponentially next season.

I seriously feel like this thread is out of the Twilight Zone... Bush just went 13-64, or 4.9YPC.... and people are in here saying he's a bust.And then on the "injury prone" label... how many games has Bush missed?

And then people are in here talking about MJD - didn't he just average less YPC (4.7) this week?

I just don't get it. Bush isn't ADP, no one else is ADP but ADP, but Bush doesn't suck.

Hmmmm....MJD in my non-PPR league just went ahead of the Pepsi/Nike/Subway promoting Bush. Bush is the starter. MJD is the backup. Yeah, Bush is the better back. Yeah, MJD shouldn't be mentioned here because he is the better RB by about a mile and a half. For all you of you with the Bush Man Love and the MJD Man Hate (Switz), when Deuce comes back will Bush be the RB1? When Fred Taylor retires will the Jags draft someone to be the RB1? If you answer anything but no to these questions then you are an absolute fool. N.O. needs to kill the clock against the Bucs and they call a gadget play because they have a WR playing RB and know they can't get any yards up the middle and lose the game because of the bad toss by Bush? Ron Dayne is the better RB than Bush. At least that brutha can hit a hole and run between the tackles.

The guy is mediocre as a RB. Hella WR. Average at best RB. And please do not quote stats from one game and then relate those stats which are .2 higher than MJD's for one game and even pretend like that is a statistically significant difference. If you can explain 'statistically significant' or 'power' when it comes to stats without going to wikipedia or some other knowledge base I will applaud you. But since you brought up outliers and compared them like they have some bearing on the overall debate I'm willing to bet the closest you ever got to a collegiate stats class was when you swept the halls outside of one....

Well you email me this link so I guess you want me to get in the arguement Scotty. While I'll admit I have been alittle disappointed in Bush the last 2 weeks he is still having a nice season. The only reason MJD is finally ranked ahead of him is td's. Reggie is still outgaining him in total yards by about 100 yards (Reggie does have 70 more touches though). Before the last 2 weeks Reggie had been looking really good and I don't know why but the last 2 weeks he has definelty looked subpar, not enough to make me jump off the bandwagon thoguh. He has however had a better ypc this year than last while carrying the load himself. MJD does have the advantage of coming in fresh for goalline touches. We will see who gets the sig bet at the end of the year i guess.

and to answer your ? YES Reggie will be the #1 IF Deuce comes back.

What has he done to earn that role? Would it be his whopping 51 rushing yards a game in the 10 games he has started? Or the sub 4.0 YPC? But he's a great receiver, right? That whopping 5.7 YPC in the air is impressive. BTW, Bush's 5.7 YPC on catches is what Drew averaged on the ground last year. He's come down to earth and has dropped a full yard to 4.7 this year and is still a yard higher than Bush. Oh, MJD averages 9.6 yards per catch....Once Deuce is 100% he will start. N.O. just can't gadget itself to 10 wins and Bush can't run between the tackles.

 

[kingmalaki]

I think that the Rose Bowl against Texas showed that quick LBs and DEs could negate a lot of Bush's advantage: speed to the outside. The Longhorns were able to beat him to the sideline on most every play but 1 (his TD). The same thing is happening in the NFL.

didn't he have close to 200 all purpose yards in that game?

Game changing fumble and he wasn't even in the game on the most crucial play (the back that was hammering UT all game between the tackles was).He didn't play horrible but he wasn't running over and around the Longhorns, one of the few college teams that actually had speed on the defensive side. I think it's fair to say Bush was faster than most at the college level, compared to the pros.

 

[montanagold]

Pop Quiz.Which RB in this group has more rushing yards than Bush this year? (This is not an open-notes quiz; no peeking on the innernet)1. Cedric Benson2. Justin Fargas3. Ryan Grant*4. Ron Dayne*5. Chester Taylor*6. Derrick Ward*7. Ronnie Brown*8. Warrick DunnHint: Those with the asterisks have less rushing attempts than Bush, so that should help some.Good luck.

Is this a trick question?? I might say all of the above?

Trick question? There is no trick to this. Just answer who you think has more rushing yards than Bush. Don't make this harder than it is.

I'll probably stick with my answer.. maybe minus Ronnie Brown.. the dude has been injured for awhile.

 

[cobalt_27]

Pop Quiz.Which RB in this group has more rushing yards than Bush this year? (This is not an open-notes quiz; no peeking on the innernet)1. Cedric Benson2. Justin Fargas3. Ryan Grant*4. Ron Dayne*5. Chester Taylor*6. Derrick Ward*7. Ronnie Brown*8. Warrick DunnHint: Those with the asterisks have less rushing attempts than Bush, so that should help some.Good luck.

Is this a trick question?? I might say all of the above?

Trick question? There is no trick to this. Just answer who you think has more rushing yards than Bush. Don't make this harder than it is.

I'll probably stick with my answer.. maybe minus Ronnie Brown.. the dude has been injured for awhile.

Wrong answer. He has rushed for more yards than Bush.But, thanks for playing, anyway!

 

[Wadsworth]

Pop Quiz.

Which RB in this group has more rushing yards than Bush this year? (This is not an open-notes quiz; no peeking on the innernet)

1. Cedric Benson

2. Justin Fargas

3. Ryan Grant*

4. Ron Dayne*

5. Chester Taylor*

6. Derrick Ward*

7. Ronnie Brown*

8. Warrick Dunn

Hint: Those with the asterisks have less rushing attempts than Bush, so that should help some.

Good luck.

Is this a trick question?? I might say all of the above?

Trick question? There is no trick to this. Just answer who you think has more rushing yards than Bush. Don't make this harder than it is.

I'll probably stick with my answer.. maybe minus Ronnie Brown.. the dude has been injured for awhile.

Actually I happen to look this up recently, Ronnie Brown still has more rushing yards than Bush. But Bush has all those recieving yards right? That's true, Bush currently has more rushing/recieving combine yards. A total of 7 more yards to be exact. With Bush getting about 40 more rushes and about 50 more targets.

 

[cobalt_27]

Pop Quiz.

Which RB in this group has more rushing yards than Bush this year? (This is not an open-notes quiz; no peeking on the innernet)

1. Cedric Benson

2. Justin Fargas

3. Ryan Grant*

4. Ron Dayne*

5. Chester Taylor*

6. Derrick Ward*

7. Ronnie Brown*

8. Warrick Dunn

Hint: Those with the asterisks have less rushing attempts than Bush, so that should help some.

Good luck.

Is this a trick question?? I might say all of the above?

Trick question? There is no trick to this. Just answer who you think has more rushing yards than Bush. Don't make this harder than it is.

I'll probably stick with my answer.. maybe minus Ronnie Brown.. the dude has been injured for awhile.

Actually I happen to look this up recently, Ronnie Brown still has more rushing yards than Bush. But Bush has all those recieving yards right? That's true, Bush currently has more rushing/recieving combine yards. A total of 7 more yards to be exact. With Bush getting about 40 more rushes and about 50 more targets.

Interesting to note, too, that Bush's YPC and YPR rankings are pitiful. He's getting a ton of looks and doing absolute garbage with nearly every touch.

 

[Blackjacks]

I really don't know what to make of Bush. I was one of the few who were reserved about his NFL potential coming out of college, but I thought he'd be more of a factor in the real world. Even his yards per catch are very ordinary. In short, he's not as elusive as advertised & he doesn't break tackles. Pierre Thomas is their best back, IMO, & I believe Thomas' touches could go up exponentially next season.

I seriously feel like this thread is out of the Twilight Zone... Bush just went 13-64, or 4.9YPC.... and people are in here saying he's a bust.And then on the "injury prone" label... how many games has Bush missed?

And then people are in here talking about MJD - didn't he just average less YPC (4.7) this week?

I just don't get it. Bush isn't ADP, no one else is ADP but ADP, but Bush doesn't suck.

Hmmmm....MJD in my non-PPR league just went ahead of the Pepsi/Nike/Subway promoting Bush. Bush is the starter. MJD is the backup. Yeah, Bush is the better back. Yeah, MJD shouldn't be mentioned here because he is the better RB by about a mile and a half. For all you of you with the Bush Man Love and the MJD Man Hate (Switz), when Deuce comes back will Bush be the RB1? When Fred Taylor retires will the Jags draft someone to be the RB1? If you answer anything but no to these questions then you are an absolute fool. N.O. needs to kill the clock against the Bucs and they call a gadget play because they have a WR playing RB and know they can't get any yards up the middle and lose the game because of the bad toss by Bush? Ron Dayne is the better RB than Bush. At least that brutha can hit a hole and run between the tackles.

The guy is mediocre as a RB. Hella WR. Average at best RB. And please do not quote stats from one game and then relate those stats which are .2 higher than MJD's for one game and even pretend like that is a statistically significant difference. If you can explain 'statistically significant' or 'power' when it comes to stats without going to wikipedia or some other knowledge base I will applaud you. But since you brought up outliers and compared them like they have some bearing on the overall debate I'm willing to bet the closest you ever got to a collegiate stats class was when you swept the halls outside of one....

Well you email me this link so I guess you want me to get in the arguement Scotty. While I'll admit I have been alittle disappointed in Bush the last 2 weeks he is still having a nice season. The only reason MJD is finally ranked ahead of him is td's. Reggie is still outgaining him in total yards by about 100 yards (Reggie does have 70 more touches though). Before the last 2 weeks Reggie had been looking really good and I don't know why but the last 2 weeks he has definelty looked subpar, not enough to make me jump off the bandwagon thoguh. He has however had a better ypc this year than last while carrying the load himself. MJD does have the advantage of coming in fresh for goalline touches. We will see who gets the sig bet at the end of the year i guess.

and to answer your ? YES Reggie will be the #1 IF Deuce comes back.

What has he done to earn that role? Would it be his whopping 51 rushing yards a game in the 10 games he has started? Or the sub 4.0 YPC? But he's a great receiver, right? That whopping 5.7 YPC in the air is impressive. BTW, Bush's 5.7 YPC on catches is what Drew averaged on the ground last year. He's come down to earth and has dropped a full yard to 4.7 this year and is still a yard higher than Bush. Oh, MJD averages 9.6 yards per catch....Once Deuce is 100% he will start. N.O. just can't gadget itself to 10 wins and Bush can't run between the tackles.

I don't know if I want to take the opinion of someone who one second says Reggie is a "Hella" wr and then the next day questions being an avg. wr. Make up your mind Scotty is a "Hella" wr or an unimpressive wr only avgeraging a "whopping 5.7 ypc"? How can you convince others on your opinons and call others fools when you don'tt even know where you stand?

 

[PantherPower]

anyone staring Bush this weekend in PPR leagues?

 

[Two Deep]

He apparently is having a hard time accepting being average.

http://www.sunherald.com/251/story/227816.html

 

[KellysHeroes]

I still have hope that Reggie will become a very good if not great back in the NFL.... that Line in NO is terrible when it comes to the run; not like Duece was lightin it up before he got hurt. The guy just doesn't ever seem to have a hole to run though.

I see this yr as a great opp to buy low on him.

 

[teamroc]

He apparently is having a hard time accepting being average.

http://www.sunherald.com/251/story/227816.html

I love the part about the learning curve.Maybe he can get AD to help him "learn" how to be a "RB". AD sure has "learned" how to play RB in the NFL real quick.

 

[KellysHeroes]

He apparently is having a hard time accepting being average.

http://www.sunherald.com/251/story/227816.html

I love the part about the learning curve.

Maybe he can get AD to help him "learn" how to be a "RB". AD sure has "learned" how to play RB in the NFL real quick.

ADP plays behind the Best Run Blocking Line in the league... watch videos of him this season; Trucks can drive though those holes. A lot of people don't take that into cosideration. Not saying that ADP is just a product of a great Run Blocking O-Line... but it certainly helps him out.

 

[War Eagle]

anyone staring Bush this weekend in PPR leagues?

I like him in ALL leagues this week.In ATL in the Monday night spot light, after costing his team a win? Yea...I think he finaly gets a long TD scamper after breaking a few defenders ankles. Historically, he hasn't bust out against the Falcons, but he has averaged over 4 yards a carry against them.

 

[Banger]

If you can't break a tackle as a RB you aren't going to be successful. The bar was set so high for him that it would have been difficult to reach but he hasn't been close to what was advertised.

 

[PantherPower]

the difference between the Saints and Vikings O-Line is = to the difference between the Redskins and Patriots WR core. Yes, ADP is better than Bush, and every other back in the NFL, but its way to early to give up on Bush's boatload of potential and god given abilities. I agree, great buy low candidate.