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*** Reggie Bush Thread *** (1 Viewer)
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Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Westbrook is a cheaper version of Marshall Faulk. Bush will be like Faulk. Bush's value would be increased if he would be with Martz as well.
mike303
Footballguy
WHAT HE SAID!I can understand White getting the ball on 4th & 2, but maybe they would put Bush on the field as a distraction? I hold a number one pick in an upcoming dynasty league and have really been considering going against the consensus and looking elsewhere (Deangelo, White, Maroney) but this seals it.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I thought the USC gameplan was flawed from the beginning. Way too much passing in the first half. The "best college player ever" was wayyyy under used in the first half IMHO.With that said, he is an amazing talent. White looks awesome too. But the best player on the field tonight was #10 Vincent Young!Fianlly, I thought Leinart came off a little Ryan Leaf-esque after the game saying..."I still think were the better team..." A sign of things to come???
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
What a turd
Nukin Futs
Footballguy
He was just on ESPN with another mouthful, too. He better get used to losing, he won't win every game in the NFL, especially with the teams that possibly might draft him.
Nukin Futs
Footballguy
Said THEY lost the game. Said something about the first 5 drives of the game and how they should have scored and couldn't be stopped, among other things. Then he went on after all of that to give Vince Young and Texas credit.
CravenM
Footballguy
After watching Reggie Bush against a decently talented defense, I'm not convinced he should be immediately escorted to Canton.Certainly, he's fast but he's not an every down back and probably not big enough to pick up the blitz. I could certainly see a Michael Bennett side to him: breaking off a pretty 50 yarder once a game while grinding out 20 yards on 15 rushes the rest of the time. And getting injured every other half.I thought Matt Leinart looked great but made some punk-### comments after the game which make him look whiney.Bottom line: Bush was the benefactor of a very talented overall offense usually playing below average defenses. There's not a guy ranked in the Dynasty top 15 who I wouldn't rather have than him right now.LenDale White on the other hand looked REAL good - 6'2" 235, strong and pretty fast - he should be a first round pick in 2007
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bobspruill
Breathe deeply
Nor do I think Bush should be considered a disappointment on the basis of one game, however big.Bush will have some mental adjustments to make in the NFL. He looked frustrated and a bit intimidated tonight. Texas was faster than he expected, and they were physical with him. There were times when he passed up holes for modest gains and tried to break all the way outside. Fast as Texas was, they still couldn't punish him for that decision very often. NFL defenses will.
I still think that, with his burst, his elusiveness, and his vision, he will be a good NFL back in time. But his days of coming right into a safety or a linebacker to prove how tough he is are gone. If he tries that with Brian Urlacher, he'll be leaving the stadium on a stretcher. Maybe he can tee off on a cornerback every now and then for old times' sake.
I'm thinking he could be Willie Parker two years down the line--Warrick Dunn if he works hard on his body and his game. I think he should catch on as a starting back. And he will definitely be on some highlight reels.
LenDale White will be drafted high whether he goes out this year or next. I never like to wish a guy ill, but when I see him run I think of Ron Dayne.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I was most impressed with White's vision. The O line played well, but didn't open a highway as they had most of the year. I just remember MANY runs that didn't appear to have a hole or a crease, and White found a way through. I was seriously hoping he would fall to the end of the 1st round for the Steelers to pick up. He'd be a perfect fit. Now, I expect the Jets to get him while Hou takes Bush or trades down. NYJ are planning to sign a vet backup in case Pennington doesn't recover, not draft a goofball like Leinart. If Young comes out you could make a case for him in NY, but I still like White here.As for Bush, I hold the 1.01 pick and am hyping and pimpin' him like crazy for trade value. He has gotten stronger this year, has excellent hands and vision, and I don't doubt he can carry the ball 15-20 times a game + 5 catches or so. I do see him as the next Faulk, but I need a ton of help to rebuild a team I took over this year. If I could get White and a couple keepers too, Bush is gone. From an NFL prospective, I like White. I admit I prefer smashmouth Steelers style football to the Eagles or Rams style. In the right system though, I see Bush as Edge James @ minimum. He's still growing and getting stronger and should be a very good, if not dominant NFL back.
Preacher 1
Footballguy
People have to remember that Bush is LISTED at 200 pounds, which means he probably weighs about 190 or so...he will not be able to handle the constant pounding that NFL backs get if they play full time. He played against a very fast defense tonight and had some nice gains, but was also clearly frustrated at times by not being able to just outrun defenders. He'll find the NFL a different ballgame in terms of speed...He's not going to be a goal-line back so the Faulk comparisons are likely to be inaccurate, and he weighs about 30 pounds or more less than Edge...I really can't see him being much more than a little better Westbrook, and that's not a knock. I love Westbrook, but he's not a first round pick unless you're in a PPR league...
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I love how everyone acts like Bush had a bad game when he popped off 6.3ypc and racked up 187 total yards and a TD.The "can he handle 20-25 carries a game?" thing is ridiculous as well.Newsflash people, Bush averaged right up around 24 touches a game this year, and didn't have any problems with injuries. 24 touches is right around what even the most heavily used NFL backs average.24 touches a game through 16 games would be 389. For comparison's sake, LT had 390 this year, Edge had 404, and Alexander had 385. Even these heavily used NFL RBs average the same number of touches per game as Bush got this year, and he had no durability issues with all those touches.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
#1 pick overall and his coach of three years in college doesn't let him see the field on the final drive of the championship game. I think Carroll knows him better than us and when everything's going good he's in there running his cute plays. The nfl isn't college. Your not going to be up 2 scores and run some cute plays. It's hard nosed football and I don't think Bush will cut it. Speed... yes, great moves.... yes, athletic.... yes. Being able to pick up a fourth and 1........priceless.
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
I don't blame Bush for this. As an USC fan, I hated Carroll's call on 4th & 2 with 2 mintues to go. Spread formation with both Bush and White in the game. Either fake counter to Bush and pound White up the middle or vice versa.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
If they think he's THE impact player in this draft, why wouldn't they? if they move Abraham as part of the deal to obtain the #1, they have enough cap space to sign Bush.Besides, whether or not the fans like it, I still believe the Jets are committed to Chad Pennington as their QB. I don't think the Jets would draft a QB unless extreme value fell into their laps, i.e. they trade down and Young or Leinart slips to them later in the top 10.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
You think Ricky Williams will be back, and they'll share the load?No he wont get 300 carries. You already put it in ink and your wrong...I will prove it in 350+ daysIf you're referring to Ronnie Brown, do you really think Ricky Williams is still going to be there beyond this year? They HAD to marginalize Brown's role to an extent this year in order to showcase Williams and increase his market value.
Barring injury, Brown will get over 300 carries next year, and you can write that in ink.
jurb26
Footballguy
Last night something happened that I was fully hoping would happen. Bush had a less than stellar night. His value inevitably droped and now trading for the #1 pick should be a bit easier than before. Reggie Bush is no less of a player than he was before that game, but it is always funny watching the knee-jurk reaction of folks in FF. This is why I stated earlier that there was no point to trade for Bush BEFORE this game. His percieved value could get no higher and only come down with a human performace. It did and I will look to benifit from it. 
Dave Stauff
Footballguy
The most important play of the collegiate season and Reggie Bush watches from the sideline? 4th and 2 and a first down probably seals the deal and wins SC a national championship and Reggie is nowhere to be seen . . .This is the problem I see for Reggie in the NFL. If he does not get the short yardage and goalline carries, I fail to see how his value (in fantasy terms) justifies the hype. He appears to be Faulk-like in his talents, but if he's not going to get those carries inside the 5, he won't be a top 5 back. Those of you with the 1.01 pick better hope there's not a Moe Williams or TJ Duckett on his NFL roster.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I've heard people (reporters and "experts") say he is the best rb EVER and I believe the best college football player EVER. Lendale might be good, and he is, but if your the BEST PLAYER EVER, your coach gets you in the game.
Dave Stauff
Footballguy
I fully expect Lendale to be a quality starting NFL back . . . my point is that if Reggie's NFL team has a similar goalline talent, he may not get the 10 TDs a year he needs to be a top 5 fantasy back.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Wow. THe low end of that would give him 192 catches on the year...Colin
Preacher 1
Footballguy
Yeah, the guy downright sucks as a coach. Only winning the National Championship 2 of the last 3 years...horrible.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
wow - insulting both Reggie Bush and White back to back? SC hater?Bush is twice the back that Willie Parker is right now. He's far quicker than any linebackers or safeties he'll face, so he's not going to be leaving any "stadiums on a stretcher".
Several of the scouting services are touting Bush as the highest rated prospect in history, and you're saying he may be Warrick Dunn if he works hard?
Way off bro, WAY off.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Because Bush wasn't in on the 4th and short means he's not valuble? You forget that a 235 pound 1st round RB was currently GASHING the TEX D? He was going w/ the hot hand. As far as Bush's strength and toughness... White he's not. But while I was down on him last year for this reason, he looks MUCH stronger this year and looks like he put on a couple pounds. Dude's only a junior. A couple years in the NFL and I'm sure he gets up to 210-215 and is plenty strong enough. He's already bigger and stronger than Westbrook, and I see plenty of Faulk in him. Give the kid time and a chance. You can't expect him to set the single game rushing record in his 1st game as a rookie... though it's possible... Nah!
Preacher 1
Footballguy
I'll agree with you once I see him bounce back up from taking a shot from a 230 pound safety or a 250 pound LB. That's a different breed in the NFL...the size/speed ratio is positivily frightening. Westbrook has proven that he can do it, Bush has yet to prove anything, other than he's a hell of a college player.
