Reggie Bush to Texans...its official (1 Viewer)

[FreeBaGeL]

I swear I'm going to have to post this right into the beginning of every Bush thread for all these new people that buy into this complete myth that Bush can't be an everydown back and only touches the ball 12-13 times a game.

For the last time (actually probably not, because I'm sure more people will hop onto the not an every down back bandwagon without knowing anything about it so I'll have to repeat it for them too) REGGIE BUSH AVERAGED AS MANY TOUCHES PER GAME THIS YEAR AS SHAUN ALEXANDER AND LADAINIAN TOMLINSON DID. And he did it without any durability or injury problems whatsoever.

Huh? 9/3 @Hawaii W 63-17 12 86 7.2

9/17 Arkansas W 70-17 8 125 15.6

9/24 @Oregon W 45-13 20 122 6.1

10/1 @Arizona State W 38-28 17 158 9.3

10/8 Arizona W 42-21 14 110 7.9

10/15 @Notre Dame W 34-31 15 160 10.7

10/22 @Washington W 51-24 8 51 6.4

10/29 Washington St. W 55-13 17 97 5.7

11/5 Stanford W 51-21 12 113 9.4

11/12 @California W 35-10 17 82 4.8

11/19 Fresno State W 50-42 23 294 12.8

12/3 UCLA W 66-19 24 260 10.8

The Rose Bowl @Texas L 41-38 13 82 6.3

200 carries, or 15.4 per game.

Shaun Alexander? 370 carries over 16 games (23.1 carries per game).

LaDainian Tomlinson? 339 carries over 16 games (21.2 carries per game).

Bush actually had more carries than I thought he did (15.4 vs. 12-13). However, to say that Bush "REGGIE BUSH AVERAGED AS MANY TOUCHES PER GAME THIS YEAR AS SHAUN ALEXANDER AND LADAINIAN TOMLINSON DID" is

There's a difference between carries and touches. You get hit every time you get the ball, not just when you carry it.Bush had 283 touches in 12 games = 23.58 per game

LT had 390 touches in 16 games = 24.375 per game

Alexander had 385 touches in 16 games = 24.065

Bush actually had more touches per game than a handful of feature RBs in the NFL.

For instance:

Mcgahee had 325 touches in 16 games = 22.0 per game

Rudi had 360 touches in 16 games = 22.5 per game

Steven Jackson had 297 touches in 15 games = 19.8 per game

So...are you saying that catching a screen pass or an outlet pass puts the same wear and tear on your body as running between the tackles? Are you saying that RB has had a lot of carries between the tackles, esp up the gut?

Well for starters, USC played 12 games this year, not 13 so even your dilluted numbers are off a bit.Second, a touch is a touch, and a tackle is a tackle. To say that getting tackled after catching a pass is any different than getting tackled after getting a hand off isn't looking at things objectively. Not to mention your notion of "an outlet pass" doesn't really apply here since anyone that's seen Bush play knows he catches a lot of passes downfield as well, setting himself up to get hit.

You also can't ignore the fact that Bush had nearly 60 touches come on kick returns, which if you're going to argue that one touch is "more dangerous" than another certainly trumps the other two..

 

[the hairy scotsman]

I swear I'm going to have to post this right into the beginning of every Bush thread for all these new people that buy into this complete myth that Bush can't be an everydown back and only touches the ball 12-13 times a game.

For the last time (actually probably not, because I'm sure more people will hop onto the not an every down back bandwagon without knowing anything about it so I'll have to repeat it for them too) REGGIE BUSH AVERAGED AS MANY TOUCHES PER GAME THIS YEAR AS SHAUN ALEXANDER AND LADAINIAN TOMLINSON DID.  And he did it without any durability or injury problems whatsoever.

Huh? 9/3 @Hawaii W 63-17 12 86 7.2

9/17 Arkansas W 70-17 8 125 15.6

9/24 @Oregon W 45-13 20 122 6.1

10/1 @Arizona State W 38-28 17 158 9.3

10/8 Arizona W 42-21 14 110 7.9

10/15 @Notre Dame W 34-31 15 160 10.7

10/22 @Washington W 51-24 8 51 6.4

10/29 Washington St. W 55-13 17 97 5.7

11/5 Stanford W 51-21 12 113 9.4

11/12 @California W 35-10 17 82 4.8

11/19 Fresno State W 50-42 23 294 12.8

12/3 UCLA W 66-19 24 260 10.8

The Rose Bowl @Texas L 41-38 13 82 6.3

200 carries, or 15.4 per game.

Shaun Alexander? 370 carries over 16 games (23.1 carries per game).

LaDainian Tomlinson? 339 carries over 16 games (21.2 carries per game).

Bush actually had more carries than I thought he did (15.4 vs. 12-13). However, to say that Bush "REGGIE BUSH AVERAGED AS MANY TOUCHES PER GAME THIS YEAR AS SHAUN ALEXANDER AND LADAINIAN TOMLINSON DID" is

Perhaps you should invest in a dictionary. "Touches" does not mean "Carries". Bush catches a lot of passes..and returns kicks.

Again...

So...are you saying that catching a screen pass or an outlet pass puts the same wear and tear on your body as running between the tackles? Are you saying that RB has had a lot of carries between the tackles, esp up the gut?

Carries per game in 2005:

S.A: 23.3 x 16 = 370

L.T: 21.2 x 16 = 339

R.B: 13.5 x 13 = 200

Is that difference insignificant?

I just looked it up. RB had 37 catches in '05. He had 18 punt returns, 28 kick returns, and 2 pass attempts.

That's 285 touches.

He dosn't even have nearly as many touches as the other 2 have carries.

Now, let's look at total touches for LT and SA.

SA: 15...total touches...385

LT: 51 rec, 4 passes...394

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I just looked it up.

RB had 37 catches in '05. He had 18 punt returns, 28 kick returns, and 2 pass attempts.

That's 285 touches.

He dosn't even have nearly as many touches as the other 2 have carries.

Now, let's look at total touches for LT and SA.

SA: 15...total touches...385

LT: 51 rec, 4 passes...394

Of course he had less total touches, he played in 4 fewer games. Even though I JUST posted this, since you seem to have missed it, touches per game they're nearly equal:Bush had 283 touches in 12 games = 23.58 per game

LT had 390 touches in 16 games = 24.375 per game

Alexander had 385 touches in 16 games = 24.065

And some others:

Mcgahee had 325 touches in 16 games = 22.0 per game

Rudi had 360 touches in 16 games = 22.5 per game

Steven Jackson had 297 touches in 15 games = 19.8 per game

 

[datonn]

I swear I'm going to have to post this right into the beginning of every Bush thread for all these new people that buy into this complete myth that Bush can't be an everydown back and only touches the ball 12-13 times a game.

For the last time (actually probably not, because I'm sure more people will hop onto the not an every down back bandwagon without knowing anything about it so I'll have to repeat it for them too) REGGIE BUSH AVERAGED AS MANY TOUCHES PER GAME THIS YEAR AS SHAUN ALEXANDER AND LADAINIAN TOMLINSON DID. And he did it without any durability or injury problems whatsoever.

Huh? 9/3 @Hawaii W 63-17 12 86 7.2

9/17 Arkansas W 70-17 8 125 15.6

9/24 @Oregon W 45-13 20 122 6.1

10/1 @Arizona State W 38-28 17 158 9.3

10/8 Arizona W 42-21 14 110 7.9

10/15 @Notre Dame W 34-31 15 160 10.7

10/22 @Washington W 51-24 8 51 6.4

10/29 Washington St. W 55-13 17 97 5.7

11/5 Stanford W 51-21 12 113 9.4

11/12 @California W 35-10 17 82 4.8

11/19 Fresno State W 50-42 23 294 12.8

12/3 UCLA W 66-19 24 260 10.8

The Rose Bowl @Texas L 41-38 13 82 6.3

200 carries, or 15.4 per game.

Shaun Alexander? 370 carries over 16 games (23.1 carries per game).

LaDainian Tomlinson? 339 carries over 16 games (21.2 carries per game).

Bush actually had more carries than I thought he did (15.4 vs. 12-13). However, to say that Bush "REGGIE BUSH AVERAGED AS MANY TOUCHES PER GAME THIS YEAR AS SHAUN ALEXANDER AND LADAINIAN TOMLINSON DID" is

Perhaps you should invest in a dictionary. "Touches" does not mean "Carries". Bush catches a lot of passes..and returns kicks.

Sorry. I thought we were actually participating in a fantasy football chat here, and were interested in his value as a fantasy RB. If we're talking "NFL" value, then FreeBaGeL is 110% correct. I didn't know that we should be including Bush's "touches" as a KR though....since 90+ percent of the FFL leagues I have ever come across do not score FPs for kick return yardage...and any TDs scored on the KRs go to the unit, not the player. That, and I knew his receiving touches still wouldn't get him anywhere near LT or SA, the two previous examples given...and I was talking more "wear and tear" of rushing attempts as opposed to receiving touches, but whatever. If you want to get technical though.....

I just looked it up.

RB had 37 catches in '05. He had 2 punt returns and 28 kick returns.

That's 267 touches.

He dosn't even have nearly as many touches as the other 2 have carries.

Now, let's look at total touches for LT and SA.

SA: 15...total touches...385

LT: 51 rec, 4 passes...394

I'm not saying that Bush's value as a RB coming out of the backfield to catch passes will not be substantial. All I am saying is that he has NOT had to carry a "feature RB" load in college, so everyone annointing him as the next Gayle Sayers.....Marshall Faulk, etc. seems a bit presumptuous on my part. Presuming that a guy who hasn't had to carry the load in college will come in and carry the load in the pros on a team that already has a proven/established starter under contract sounds like JUST the kind of FFL owner in my dynasty leagues that I want to be talking trade with for moving out of the 1.01 overall.

 

[Preacher 1]

I swear I'm going to have to post this right into the beginning of every Bush thread for all these new people that buy into this complete myth that Bush can't be an everydown back and only touches the ball 12-13 times a game.

For the last time (actually probably not, because I'm sure more people will hop onto the not an every down back bandwagon without knowing anything about it so I'll have to repeat it for them too) REGGIE BUSH AVERAGED AS MANY TOUCHES PER GAME THIS YEAR AS SHAUN ALEXANDER AND LADAINIAN TOMLINSON DID. And he did it without any durability or injury problems whatsoever.

Huh? 9/3 @Hawaii W 63-17 12 86 7.2

9/17 Arkansas W 70-17 8 125 15.6

9/24 @Oregon W 45-13 20 122 6.1

10/1 @Arizona State W 38-28 17 158 9.3

10/8 Arizona W 42-21 14 110 7.9

10/15 @Notre Dame W 34-31 15 160 10.7

10/22 @Washington W 51-24 8 51 6.4

10/29 Washington St. W 55-13 17 97 5.7

11/5 Stanford W 51-21 12 113 9.4

11/12 @California W 35-10 17 82 4.8

11/19 Fresno State W 50-42 23 294 12.8

12/3 UCLA W 66-19 24 260 10.8

The Rose Bowl @Texas L 41-38 13 82 6.3

200 carries, or 15.4 per game.

Shaun Alexander? 370 carries over 16 games (23.1 carries per game).

LaDainian Tomlinson? 339 carries over 16 games (21.2 carries per game).

Bush actually had more carries than I thought he did (15.4 vs. 12-13). However, to say that Bush "REGGIE BUSH AVERAGED AS MANY TOUCHES PER GAME THIS YEAR AS SHAUN ALEXANDER AND LADAINIAN TOMLINSON DID" is

There's a difference between carries and touches. You get hit every time you get the ball, not just when you carry it.Bush had 283 touches in 12 games = 23.58 per game

LT had 390 touches in 16 games = 24.375 per game

Alexander had 385 touches in 16 games = 24.065

Bush actually had more touches per game than a handful of feature RBs in the NFL.

For instance:

Mcgahee had 325 touches in 16 games = 22.0 per game

Rudi had 360 touches in 16 games = 22.5 per game

Steven Jackson had 297 touches in 15 games = 19.8 per game

So...are you saying that catching a screen pass or an outlet pass puts the same wear and tear on your body as running between the tackles? Are you saying that RB has had a lot of carries between the tackles, esp up the gut?

Well for starters, USC played 12 games this year, not 13 so even your dilluted numbers are off a bit.Second, a touch is a touch, and a tackle is a tackle. To say that getting tackled after catching a pass is any different than getting tackled after getting a hand off isn't looking at things objectively. Not to mention your notion of "an outlet pass" doesn't really apply here since anyone that's seen Bush play knows he catches a lot of passes downfield as well, setting himself up to get hit.

You also can't ignore the fact that Bush had nearly 60 touches come on kick returns, which if you're going to argue that one touch is "more dangerous" than another certainly trumps the other two..

No, a touch is not a touch, and a tackle is not a tackle, unless you watch a different game than I do.You referece that Bush frequently goes downfield...OK, he's getting hit by one, maybe two guys who are roughly the same size as he is. He carries the ball into the line and he could be hit by as many as 5-6 guys who weigh anywhere from 230-330 pounds. That's a signifigant difference...Bush is NOT going to make a living carrying the ball between the tackles, nor is he going to be a short yardage back.

That alone makes me put him in the Westbrook class instead of the Faulk class...add in the fact that he's unlikely to be a kick returner in the pros, and you have a guy who'll likely get 15-20 touches a game on a good week.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Bush had 283 touches in 12 games = 23.58 per game

LT had 390 touches in 16 games = 24.375 per game

Alexander had 385 touches in 16 games = 24.065

First, let me correct your numbers:RB: 285 touches in 13 games...21.9 avg

LT: 394................16 games...24.6

SA: 385................16 games...24.065

Something that's very important here, even if you're only looking at touches, is total touches, as everyone knows how pronounced the effect of the season can be as it wears on.

SA has 100 more touches than RB, LT has 109.

Well for starters, USC played 12 games this year, not 13 so even your dilluted numbers are off a bit.

Sat, Sep 3 at Hawaii W 63-17 -- Sat, Sep 17 Arkansas W 70-17 --

Sat, Sep 24 at (24) Oregon W 45-13 --

Sat, Oct 1 at (14) Arizona State W 38-28 --

Sat, Oct 8 Arizona W 42-21 --

Sat, Oct 15 at (9) Notre Dame W 34-31 --

Sat, Oct 22 at Washington W 51-24 --

Sat, Oct 29 Washington State W 55-13 --

Sat, Nov 5 Stanford W 51-21 --

Sat, Nov 12 at California W 35-10 --

Sat, Nov 19 (16) Fresno State W 50-42 --

Sat, Dec 3 (11) UCLA W 66-19 --

That looks like 12 to me. The Rose Bowl would make 13...but maybe you're not counting that one. The "touch total" you're using, however, includes the Rose Bowl.

Second, a touch is a touch, and a tackle is a tackle. To say that getting tackled after catching a pass is any different than getting tackled after getting a hand off isn't looking at things objectively. Not to mention your notion of "an outlet pass" doesn't really apply here since anyone that's seen Bush play knows he catches a lot of passes downfield as well, setting himself up to get hit.

You also can't ignore the fact that Bush had nearly 60 touches come on kick returns, which if you're going to argue that one touch is "more dangerous" than another certainly trumps the other two..

So, do you think you only get hit when you get tackled...and do you think you get hit the same amount if you catch 10 screen passes and downfield passes as you would if you ran it 10 times up the gut?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

I swear I'm going to have to post this right into the beginning of every Bush thread for all these new people that buy into this complete myth that Bush can't be an everydown back and only touches the ball 12-13 times a game.

For the last time (actually probably not, because I'm sure more people will hop onto the not an every down back bandwagon without knowing anything about it so I'll have to repeat it for them too) REGGIE BUSH AVERAGED AS MANY TOUCHES PER GAME THIS YEAR AS SHAUN ALEXANDER AND LADAINIAN TOMLINSON DID.  And he did it without any durability or injury problems whatsoever.

Huh? 9/3 @Hawaii W 63-17 12 86 7.2

9/17 Arkansas W 70-17 8 125 15.6

9/24 @Oregon W 45-13 20 122 6.1

10/1 @Arizona State W 38-28 17 158 9.3

10/8 Arizona W 42-21 14 110 7.9

10/15 @Notre Dame W 34-31 15 160 10.7

10/22 @Washington W 51-24 8 51 6.4

10/29 Washington St. W 55-13 17 97 5.7

11/5 Stanford W 51-21 12 113 9.4

11/12 @California W 35-10 17 82 4.8

11/19 Fresno State W 50-42 23 294 12.8

12/3 UCLA W 66-19 24 260 10.8

The Rose Bowl @Texas L 41-38 13 82 6.3

200 carries, or 15.4 per game.

Shaun Alexander? 370 carries over 16 games (23.1 carries per game).

LaDainian Tomlinson? 339 carries over 16 games (21.2 carries per game).

Bush actually had more carries than I thought he did (15.4 vs. 12-13). However, to say that Bush "REGGIE BUSH AVERAGED AS MANY TOUCHES PER GAME THIS YEAR AS SHAUN ALEXANDER AND LADAINIAN TOMLINSON DID" is

There's a difference between carries and touches. You get hit every time you get the ball, not just when you carry it.Bush had 283 touches in 12 games = 23.58 per game

LT had 390 touches in 16 games = 24.375 per game

Alexander had 385 touches in 16 games = 24.065

Bush actually had more touches per game than a handful of feature RBs in the NFL.

For instance:

Mcgahee had 325 touches in 16 games = 22.0 per game

Rudi had 360 touches in 16 games = 22.5 per game

Steven Jackson had 297 touches in 15 games = 19.8 per game

So...are you saying that catching a screen pass or an outlet pass puts the same wear and tear on your body as running between the tackles? Are you saying that RB has had a lot of carries between the tackles, esp up the gut?

Well for starters, USC played 12 games this year, not 13 so even your dilluted numbers are off a bit.Second, a touch is a touch, and a tackle is a tackle. To say that getting tackled after catching a pass is any different than getting tackled after getting a hand off isn't looking at things objectively. Not to mention your notion of "an outlet pass" doesn't really apply here since anyone that's seen Bush play knows he catches a lot of passes downfield as well, setting himself up to get hit.

You also can't ignore the fact that Bush had nearly 60 touches come on kick returns, which if you're going to argue that one touch is "more dangerous" than another certainly trumps the other two..

No, a touch is not a touch, and a tackle is not a tackle, unless you watch a different game than I do.You referece that Bush frequently goes downfield...OK, he's getting hit by one, maybe two guys who are roughly the same size as he is. He carries the ball into the line and he could be hit by as many as 5-6 guys who weigh anywhere from 230-330 pounds. That's a signifigant difference...Bush is NOT going to make a living carrying the ball between the tackles, nor is he going to be a short yardage back.

That alone makes me put him in the Westbrook class instead of the Faulk class...add in the fact that he's unlikely to be a kick returner in the pros, and you have a guy who'll likely get 15-20 touches a game on a good week.

Exactly.

 

[Sopranos]

I swear I'm going to have to post this right into the beginning of every Bush thread for all these new people that buy into this complete myth that Bush can't be an everydown back and only touches the ball 12-13 times a game.

For the last time (actually probably not, because I'm sure more people will hop onto the not an every down back bandwagon without knowing anything about it so I'll have to repeat it for them too) REGGIE BUSH AVERAGED AS MANY TOUCHES PER GAME THIS YEAR AS SHAUN ALEXANDER AND LADAINIAN TOMLINSON DID.  And he did it without any durability or injury problems whatsoever.

Huh? 9/3 @Hawaii W 63-17 12 86 7.2

9/17 Arkansas W 70-17 8 125 15.6

9/24 @Oregon W 45-13 20 122 6.1

10/1 @Arizona State W 38-28 17 158 9.3

10/8 Arizona W 42-21 14 110 7.9

10/15 @Notre Dame W 34-31 15 160 10.7

10/22 @Washington W 51-24 8 51 6.4

10/29 Washington St. W 55-13 17 97 5.7

11/5 Stanford W 51-21 12 113 9.4

11/12 @California W 35-10 17 82 4.8

11/19 Fresno State W 50-42 23 294 12.8

12/3 UCLA W 66-19 24 260 10.8

The Rose Bowl @Texas L 41-38 13 82 6.3

200 carries, or 15.4 per game.

Shaun Alexander? 370 carries over 16 games (23.1 carries per game).

LaDainian Tomlinson? 339 carries over 16 games (21.2 carries per game).

Bush actually had more carries than I thought he did (15.4 vs. 12-13). However, to say that Bush "REGGIE BUSH AVERAGED AS MANY TOUCHES PER GAME THIS YEAR AS SHAUN ALEXANDER AND LADAINIAN TOMLINSON DID" is

There's a difference between carries and touches. You get hit every time you get the ball, not just when you carry it.Bush had 283 touches in 12 games = 23.58 per game

LT had 390 touches in 16 games = 24.375 per game

Alexander had 385 touches in 16 games = 24.065

Bush actually had more touches per game than a handful of feature RBs in the NFL.

For instance:

Mcgahee had 325 touches in 16 games = 22.0 per game

Rudi had 360 touches in 16 games = 22.5 per game

Steven Jackson had 297 touches in 15 games = 19.8 per game

So...are you saying that catching a screen pass or an outlet pass puts the same wear and tear on your body as running between the tackles? Are you saying that RB has had a lot of carries between the tackles, esp up the gut?

Well for starters, USC played 12 games this year, not 13 so even your dilluted numbers are off a bit.Second, a touch is a touch, and a tackle is a tackle. To say that getting tackled after catching a pass is any different than getting tackled after getting a hand off isn't looking at things objectively. Not to mention your notion of "an outlet pass" doesn't really apply here since anyone that's seen Bush play knows he catches a lot of passes downfield as well, setting himself up to get hit.

You also can't ignore the fact that Bush had nearly 60 touches come on kick returns, which if you're going to argue that one touch is "more dangerous" than another certainly trumps the other two..

No, a touch is not a touch, and a tackle is not a tackle, unless you watch a different game than I do.You referece that Bush frequently goes downfield...OK, he's getting hit by one, maybe two guys who are roughly the same size as he is. He carries the ball into the line and he could be hit by as many as 5-6 guys who weigh anywhere from 230-330 pounds. That's a signifigant difference...Bush is NOT going to make a living carrying the ball between the tackles, nor is he going to be a short yardage back.

That alone makes me put him in the Westbrook class instead of the Faulk class...add in the fact that he's unlikely to be a kick returner in the pros, and you have a guy who'll likely get 15-20 touches a game on a good week.

Exactly.

This is why he is not worth the #1 in a dynasty draft

 

[jeff1013]

I dont know but this is hilarius. No one knows whether Bush can take the pounding or not of being a starting rb in the nfl. If the team he is on can take care of him like Tiki Barber and Warrick Dunn I would say there would be a good chance he can thrive. To compare him to Westbrook is probably a bit off also. Westbrook is smaller than Bush. One other thing to remember is USC did not need him to run the ball 20 - 25 times a game. They had another pounder in L. White who is another potential round 1 back. They had to utilize both players. If he wasnt there who knows how many carries/touches Bush would have had.

 

[Sopranos]

I dont know but this is hilarius. No one knows whether Bush can take the pounding or not of being a starting rb in the nfl. If the team he is on can take care of him like Tiki Barber and Warrick Dunn I would say there would be a good chance he can thrive. To compare him to Westbrook is probably a bit off also. Westbrook is smaller than Bush. One other thing to remember is USC did not need him to run the ball 20 - 25 times a game. They had another pounder in L. White who is another potential round 1 back. They had to utilize both players. If he wasnt there who knows how many carries/touches Bush would have had.

And the REASON they pounded White is because he is a better RB from behind the QB...

 

[Preacher 1]

I dont know but this is hilarius. No one knows whether Bush can take the pounding or not of being a starting rb in the nfl. If the team he is on can take care of him like Tiki Barber and Warrick Dunn I would say there would be a good chance he can thrive. To compare him to Westbrook is probably a bit off also. Westbrook is smaller than Bush. One other thing to remember is USC did not need him to run the ball 20 - 25 times a game. They had another pounder in L. White who is another potential round 1 back. They had to utilize both players. If he wasnt there who knows how many carries/touches Bush would have had.

And Westbrook isn't smaller than Bush, he's shorter than Bush...he actually weighs a few pounds more, likely about 10-15 pounds more. And that's a big difference.

 

[phowler13]

wouldn't the Texans have to look at the production morency and wells have had filling in for DD as the inside the tackles guys if they draft Bush. Wells especially was very adequate, and that would allow them to get something for DD. Otherwise it will be a very crowded backfield.

 

[GregR_2]

wouldn't the Texans have to look at the production morency and wells have had filling in for DD as the inside the tackles guys if they draft Bush. Wells especially was very adequate, and that would allow them to get something for DD. Otherwise it will be a very crowded backfield.

Though they'd have to re-sign Wells, as he is a free agent.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Dont feel bad....Davis will probably end up in New England next year in a rotation with Corey Dillon.  Feel bad for Davis AND Dillon if it happens.  Davis played at LSU under Nick Saban, and Belichick loves guys whove played well under Saban.  Just throwing it out there as a possibility.

Too much money has been paid to Dillon to see this happen. Nice though.

Dillon sucksI wouldn't be surprosed to see him gone next year

 

[Red Apples]

bush didnt get 20 - 25 carries a game, not because he couldnt...it was because USC was killing everybody.