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Remember Justin Fargas? (1 Viewer)

Do we have any RBs we can point to who had serious injury problems in college, injury problems in their first 3 NFL seasons, and then finally developed thereafter into productive RBs?
I would imagine there aren't many that remain on NFL rosters at that point, so it would be a small sample to just get there.But can you name any RBs who had serious injury problems in college and in their first NFL seasons and were given the opportunity to start afterwards?
If I can't ( :no: ) is that supposed to somehow make me have *more* faith in your argument? Because that would seem to be the track that Fargas is on--a RB who had serious injury problems in college and in his first 3 NFL seasons, and will likely never be given the opportunity to start thereafter. :shrug:
You posed the question, not me, and seemed to indicate by the question that nobody has, after those injuries, become a productive RB. I suggest that nobody has ever been given that opportunity, so there's no way to figure out if given that opportunity Fargas would be productive. There would be no comparisons.If your argument is simply that he'll never be given that opportunity, fair enough. But if that opportunity happens to arise, it might be uncharted territory.

 
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Why hasn't Fargus played much? I don't believe that he had changed teams or was waiting behind some other RB for his turn at starting. Please correct me if I am wrong.
2003 - Fargas was behind Tyrone Wheatley and Charlie Garner, who had combined for 2,393 total yards the previous year.2004 - I think Fargas was dealing with turf toe this year. He was part of a weak RBC with Zack Crockett, Amos Zereoue, and Tyrone Wheatley.

2005 - Fargas was behind LaMont Jordan.

So basically it's been a combination of injuries and the presence of quality veterans like Garner and Jordan.
EBF 2003 he had his chance. There was pre-season hype and he had every opportunity in the world to be in the RBBC mix and failed to impress the coaching staff. Wheatley and Garner were well past thier prime at that point and Fargas had fresh legs.
The Raiders made the Super Bowl in 2002 with Garner and Wheatley. Those two backs combined for 2,393 total yards in that season. If ain't broke...
That's not how the 2003 season went. It was broke in 2003 and people had figured out the dink and dunk. That was Fargas' best opportunity IMO opinion as well. Now he is locked up behind a workhorse and will not have much opportunity to prove his worth and all he HAS proven is that he will spend more time on IR than on the field.Again, I have no problems with Fargas being a late round flier and probably one of the top backups that get little to no PT at any position to come off the board but not in the same breath as a backup like Turner, for example.

Aren't we all saying the same thing?

 
Fellas, take my advice and don't waste a roster spot on this bum.

I'm an admitted Raider fan, who has watched JF since day one. I was pimping him more than anyone during his rookie preseason when he was shredding teams in the 2nd halves of games. He looked like a complete stud.

But my opinion has changed drastically. His two biggest weaknesses were highlighted in the article and will not be solved easily...

1. lack of vision - this cannot be taught. Either you've got it or not and Justin plays like he is half blind.

2. runs upright - maybe, just maybe this can be solved, but I doubt it.

In the end these two attributes have directly contributed to his injuries. He can't read blocks or see hits coming and when they do, the kid gets rocked due to his stance.

At best JF will be a contributing COP back, but that doesn't do anything for me fantasy-wise. If he ever does get another chance to be a feature back, he won't last due to the above. Like I said, look elsewhere for developmental roster spots.

 
Seems like Turner wanted a smash mouth RB in 05 and wanted Crockett over Fargas. That's not a ringing endorsement.

Seems like the turf toe and leg injuries plagued him most of 04.

Seems like Garner was a favorite of Gruden's in 03 and Gruden didn't think Garner was washed up, he signed him at TBB in 04. Not sure Fargas got a chance here.

The analysis with Suggs seems good. A guy with talent that keeps getting hurt and as a result, the coach can't trust him to be an integral part of the offense.

I was big on Fargas going into 03 too, just like I was big on Suggs going into 05. But the coaches who see them everyday in practice are deciding to go a different direction. Theres got to be a reason.

 
Here's what I get from the note above--"Fargas could be a good runningback if:

1) he changes his running style

2) he learns how to block, and

3) he develops good vision so that he can pick the right hole at the LOS."

Pray tell, what crappy NFL runningback could we *not* say those things about?

"Jonathan Wells could be a good runningback if. . ."

Please. :lmao:

Too Funny :excited: :goodposting:

 
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Fargas is one of the two players who are on every single one of my dynasty teams. I think he could make some noise once he switches teams.
Who is the other? My guess: Tyrone Calico
Nice. I want to play too. I say, Tony Hollings. The man tore it up in 4 games his senior year at GTech. He looked like the real deal in those four games... :D
 
Fargas is one of the two players who are on every single one of my dynasty teams. I think he could make some noise once he switches teams.
Who is the other? My guess: Tyrone Calico
Nice. I want to play too. I say, Tony Hollings. The man tore it up in 4 games his senior year at GTech. He looked like the real deal in those four games... :D
Nope. I have Roethlisberger and Fargas on all five of my dynasty teams.
 
Fargas is one of the two players who are on every single one of my dynasty teams. I think he could make some noise once he switches teams.
Who is the other? My guess: Tyrone Calico
Nice. I want to play too. I say, Tony Hollings. The man tore it up in 4 games his senior year at GTech. He looked like the real deal in those four games... :D
Nick Goings is always a head-scratcher for me. People just won't his magical '04 season drift into the sunset.
 
Fargas is one of the two players who are on every single one of my dynasty teams. I think he could make some noise once he switches teams.
Who is the other? My guess: Tyrone Calico
Nice. I want to play too. I say, Tony Hollings. The man tore it up in 4 games his senior year at GTech. He looked like the real deal in those four games... :D
Nick Goings is always a head-scratcher for me. People just won't his magical '04 season drift into the sunset.
Random thoughts by Jack Handey...
 
2 pages on Justin Fargas?
60 more replies than I expected it to get. ;) Another thing to keep in mind here are the men "running" things. Art Shell, Jackie Slater and Irv Eatman are charged with whipping the offensive line into shape, and they are doing just that by all accounts.

Meaning what....

Meaning that if Fargas gets a shot due to a Jordan injury or merely by getting more touches under the new regime, he has a pretty decent chance of success with a team which vows to run the ball more. Good article here from Sportsline. I bolded many of the interesting parts.

Art Shell has kept a low profile since resuming his duties as head coach of the Oakland Raiders after a 12-year absence, a personal choice that might have as much to do with the position he played as the organization which signs his paychecks.

One of the great tackles in NFL history, Shell is used to performing in a world in which the greatest accolade is silence, a philosophy that dovetails nicely with the Raiders' longstanding tradition of keeping the outside world at arm's length.

With the franchise at its lowest point since Al Davis gained control in 1965, Shell was brought back to restore "the Raider way" to a team with a 13-35 record since losing Super Bowl XXXVII.

Brushfires are everywhere, but none burns hotter than along the offensive line, which has been much less than the sum of its parts in terms of performance. Two seasons ago, the Raiders finished dead last in rushing with 327 carries for 1,295 yards. Last season, despite the addition of running back LaMont Jordan, they only moved up to 29th, with 361 carries for 1,369 yards.

And while Oakland protected the passer relatively well in 2004, given its inability to run, its quarterbacks were sacked 45 times in 2005.

It's early, but it appears Shell has taken hold of the on-field product in a way not seen since Jon Gruden arrived and temporarily restored the Raiders to their winning ways.

In the mandatory minicamp following the NFL Draft, Shell was conspicuous with his involvement up front. Rather than greeting mental errors with rants and raves, Shell made quiet corrections and insisted plays be run over and over until they were executed properly.

"We're going to run the ball," said tackle Robert Gallery, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2004 draft. "We didn't run the ball last year or the last couple of years. At least it didn't feel like it. That helps a lot, when you wear people down and they're not pinning their ears back and bringing it every play because they know you're not going to run."

Shell raised some eyebrows with his choice of Tom Walsh, a Raiders assistant who has been out of coaching since 1999, as his offensive coordinator. Walsh's most recent job was running a bed and breakfast with his wife and serving as the mayor of Swan Valley, Idaho.

Less publicized, but telling, were Shell's selections of Irv Eatman and Jackie Slater as co-coaches for the offensive line. Eatman was a line assistant to Mike Solari in Kansas City, Slater a Hall of Fame tackle who had never coached in the NFL.

Eatman and Slater will take their cue from Shell, who took little time in making some decisive, common-sense moves to get things going up front.

First, Gallery was installed at left tackle, charged by Shell to not only protect the blind side of quarterback Aaron Brooks but to make the Pro Bowl in the process.

Shell set the standard for Gallery in their first meeting. "I told him he's too good a football player not to be mentioned for the Pro Bowl, and that we've got to get him there," Shell said. "He's accepted that challenge. And I'll tell you, his potential is way out there. He can be as good as he wants to be. I think he wants to be good. I really do."

Barry Sims, the former left tackle, was moved to left guard, where his troubles with outside speed rushers will be no more than a painful memory.

Jake Grove, a center out of Virginia Tech taken after Gallery in 2004, will be the center after spending his first two years battling injury and shuttling between center and guard.

Langston Walker, moved to left guard last season before suffering an intra-abdominal hemorrhage, was moved back to right tackle.

While right guard appears wide open, the Raiders quietly moved third-round draft pick Paul McQuistan to that spot in their most recent voluntary minicamp and had him running with the first team.

While McQuistan will have to hold up through training camp and hold off veteran Brad Badger, there are those in the Raiders organization who consider him a blend of Steve Wisniewski and Kevin Gogan, two guards who were nasty from snap to whistle -- and occasionally beyond.

The key is the development of Gallery, who showed promise as a rookie but struggled last season. Gallery will need to take a quantum leap if he is to fulfill his draft promise of being a tackle who will be in the Tony Boselli-Jonathan Ogden-Orlando Pace class.

Early indications are Oakland will use a lot less motion and shifting and a lot more straight-ahead aggression, setting up the opposition for deep balls to the likes of Randy Moss and Jerry Porter.

Grove, who was slowed by knee surgery last year, thinks being more insistent will be a good thing. "We're not going to trick a lot of people," Grove said. "We're going to come right at them and be better than they are, and that rests with the people up front."

It's often the case that current players have little or no sense of history, but in Shell's case, his linemen are paying close attention.

"To have a head coach that is coaching your position that played and understands the issues you might have, and you can access that, that's a nice thing to have," backup center Adam Treu said.

Sims, after holding off previous first-round draft picks Mo Collins and Matt Stinchcomb at left tackle, was initially reluctant to move. Shell's presence and status helped change his mind.

There is some concern that Shell plus two assistant line coaches could make for mixed messages. Sims sees it as a virtual library on how to play the position.

"The way I look at it, we've got three O-line coaches with 50 years experience and two Hall of Fame busts, so there's really not a whole lot of back-talk and excuses that will work," Sims said. "Those guys have seen everything and done everything."

In the Gruden and Norv Turner offenses, timing was of the essence. Shell wants the Raiders to let the quarterbacks and receivers worry about the fractions of seconds and have the offensive line concentrate on delivering blows.

"We don't talk about timing here. We don't talk about so many seconds to get the ball out," Shell said. "We want to block. We're going to work to block until the quarterback gets rid of the ball, until the whistle blows. It's not 1.5 seconds or 2.2 seconds or whatever it is. You block, block, block."

To Gallery, the thought of building collective strength in executing basic power plays is exciting.

"I think we're going to have our bread-and-butter plays, which I don't think we've had in the past," Gallery said. "We were so random as far as what we did. We really didn't have a go-to play. It's going to be hard-nosed and straight-up, and that will open up the passing game as well. I think everyone's excited about it. I know I am, that's for damn sure."

It sounds promising in mid-June.

As Shell knows all too well, success will only be achieved when the offensive line ceases to be a topic of conversation.
 
Fargas is one injury away from being in a great spot.

The offense ran through LamJ last year, and he's a centerpiece again this season.

Just like Michael Turner in SD, he's one play away from starting in an NFL backfield. That's valuable right there.
I think that's where Fargas' primary value lies - as a handcuff for Jordan owners. Who knows if he'd do anything with the opportunity, but with no other viable options behind Jordan, it looks like Fargas would have the job to himself (unless Crockett got the goal line duty).
 
Fargas is one injury away from being in a great spot.

The offense ran through LamJ last year, and he's a centerpiece again this season.

Just like Michael Turner in SD, he's one play away from starting in an NFL backfield. That's valuable right there.
while what you said seems true, do you think he'll do much with that opportunity?Do you think Rod Smart or Reshard Lee could beat him out for the backup spot?

 
Fargas is one injury away from being in a great spot.

The offense ran through LamJ last year, and he's a centerpiece again this season.

Just like Michael Turner in SD, he's one play away from starting in an NFL backfield. That's valuable right there.
while what you said seems true, do you think he'll do much with that opportunity?Do you think Rod Smart or Reshard Lee could beat him out for the backup spot?
Rod "He Hate Me" Smart? I didn't realize he re-surfaced in Oakland. He couldn't get any significant playing time in Carolina when there were opportunities all the time (Jamal Robertson?).Reshard Lee et al should not challenge Fargas IMHO, but Fargas is also a quantum step down from LamJ.

Fargas ALLEGEDLY has the skillset to step in and play well in the LamJ role in the event of an injury. I cannot say that about any other back on the Oakland roster (and the jury is still out on Fargas). His value is more situation than talent level. If he has the opportunity in Oakland he could be a late steal - but only if LamJ is out.

 
Fargas is one injury away from being in a great spot.

The offense ran through LamJ last year, and he's a centerpiece again this season.

Just like Michael Turner in SD, he's one play away from starting in an NFL backfield.  That's valuable right there.
while what you said seems true, do you think he'll do much with that opportunity?Do you think Rod Smart or Reshard Lee could beat him out for the backup spot?
Rod "He Hate Me" Smart? I didn't realize he re-surfaced in Oakland. He couldn't get any significant playing time in Carolina when there were opportunities all the time (Jamal Robertson?).Reshard Lee et al should not challenge Fargas IMHO, but Fargas is also a quantum step down from LamJ.

Fargas ALLEGEDLY has the skillset to step in and play well in the LamJ role in the event of an injury. I cannot say that about any other back on the Oakland roster (and the jury is still out on Fargas). His value is more situation than talent level. If he has the opportunity in Oakland he could be a late steal - but only if LamJ is out.
which one of these guys has done best in the NFL?why haven't they traded for Michael Bennett?

 
Can we shift this debate over to the actual reason this is of worth mentioning?

How is he going to affect LaMont Jordan? Will it be good for him? I figured after last year's somewhat disappointing season (to adjust to a starting back) he'd be money for a great 'lean-on-me' season by Shell and Co.

Any shark stats? Or are we just going to continue making fun of Captain Questionable?

 
Can we shift this debate over to the actual reason this is of worth mentioning?

How is he going to affect LaMont Jordan?  Will it be good for him?  I figured after last year's somewhat disappointing season (to adjust to a starting back) he'd be money for a great 'lean-on-me' season by Shell and Co.

Any shark stats?  Or are we just going to continue making fun of Captain Questionable?
I hear ya Brandow but ya know, the Raiders have done nothing here. While other teams got Michael Bennett or Antowain Smith or Anthony Thomas, or drafted a stud they stayed with Fargas and got some other questionable backs like Reshard Lee. It's deserved IMO.I expect someone to be cut and signed by them OR Crockett to get the ball if Lamont gets hurt. From what I gather Shell is not about risk and is a throwback coach that likes to "bring it" in the run game. Crockett is a better pounding RB than Fargas can even dream of even at age 90 or however old he is.

Fargas, FWIW, has a chronic turf toe prob that has haunted him.

I also wouldn't be surprised if famous Amos Zeroue is in camp with them again. I don't believe he's still a Patriot but a street FA.

IMO Fargas is NOT the answer.

Year Team G Rush Yds Yd/Rush TD Rec Yds Yd/Rec TD

2003 Oak 10 40 203 5.1 0 2 2 1.0 0

2004 Oak 12 35 126 3.6 1 11 68 6.2 0

2005 Oak 14 5 28 5.6 0 1 9 9.0 0

Totals 36 80 357 4.5 1 14 79 5.6 0

3 of his 5 carries came in garbage time the last two weeks of the season. He was active for 14 games but like I said that's a bit conflicting with his turf toe stuff. In those same two games Crockett had 30(total) carries

Pretty sure he has 1 TD in 3 years

 
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From Pro Football Weekly - "Whispers" section;

The Raiders would love to add a running back for depth behind LaMont Jordan and may look to the early round of training-camp cuts for just such a candidate. Justin Fargas, No. 2 on the depth chart, is considered little more than a special-teams guy, and part-time FB Zack Crockett, while reliable in the past, is not someone you want to hand your offense over to.
 

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