I've never, and never known one person who went to get tested before taking Tamiflu. Ever.
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Report: Omicron is much more contagious - Discussion on severity (3 Viewers)
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I've never, and never known one person who went to get tested before taking Tamiflu. Ever.
Max Power
Footballguy
I think the NG could have been more useful if we spent the time training up the right people. Currently is a poor bandaid, but there is potential there.
I hear one of the biggest concerns from hospital staff is how under-trained some of the current workers are.
Max Power
Footballguy
Yeah, I heard the Georgetown students are fighting back as well. Demanding some form of track-able metric the school is using for their covid policies.
Doug B
Footballguy
My wife is having a lumpectomy next Monday. One that has already been delayed twice.
She's petrified of getting COVID and doubly petrified of getting it right before her procedure -- if she's positive, they'll delay it a few months yet again. She's taking her own pre-op COVID test this Friday.
Meanwhile, my son came down with mild respiratory symptoms Sunday and I came down with a sore throat and somewhat rougher symptoms yesterday. We both took home antigen tests Sunday (box erroneously came with one vial of reagent by mistake, so I took the second test so as not to waste it -- I had no symptoms yet), both testing negative. Since my son and I are both symptomatic now, we went and got PCR tests. Would have stuck with home testing, but we're out of tests and there's nowhere to buy them (online would be two week wait). My wife is on pins and needles and scared of what a positive case for either me or my son would mean for her surgery.
In short: Other people aren't living your life. You're judging people unfairly for their own concerns about COVID and how they need to react to them. If being COVID positive doesn't impact your life or those of your loved ones ... count your blessings. Not everyone is so fortunate.
Battersbox
Footballguy
My eldest is a senior in hs, and is making her decision regarding where to attend next year between 3-4 Big10 schools. If I have any say in the matter, those schools' responses to the pandemic this semester will greatly inform her decision.
Doug B
Footballguy
You've seen the same people getting tested every day? Observing what? Long lines at testing stations? What are you talking about?
I could see someone with a glut of home tests maybe testing several days in a row. Otherwise ... I can't imagine what you think you're seeing that makes you thing any significant number of people are testing daily (I know many VIPs are, not them).
dkp993
Footballguy
My mother is a hospital administrator and has been for over 20yrs. In the years leading up to COVID there were (still are) massive nursing shortages. It’s a been a long running issue that’s only been exaggerated due to the pandemic. The irony is (and has been for a very long time) is that nursing school is very tough to get into and many only allow a certain number in each quarter. I personally know 5 smart, hard working compassionate people who prior to the pandemic meet all the schooling requirements yet couldn’t get into the schools due to the numbers restrictions. It’s an artificial bottleneck that had been created for some reason.
If a bunch of people weren't getting tested for no reason there would be more tests available for people like you. Or if Biden had an ounce of foresight.
Doug B
Footballguy
They can and do test for flu in many doctors' offices.
Though I could see a doctor just assuming a patient has the flu and just giving them Tamiflu anyway.
Max Power
Footballguy
The military is moving some personnel around and some states are calling up the NG. These just aren't game changing moves at the moment.
Yes, all that. Yourself and another poster just did talked about multiple testing.
I understand your wife's concern, but, all you have to do is follow the CDC's advice and quarantine 5 days prior to her getting tested. All should be good, right?
Doug B
Footballguy
No, because it's possible -- more probable than not, actually -- that if I am positive now, my wife will be, too. Pre-symptomatic spread complicates facile measures.
jamny
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Doug B
Footballguy
Explain yourself more fully, then. What you wrote (below) is tantamount to saying "Tamiflu is commonly given to people who the doctor doesn't know have the flu."
I've never, and never known one person who went to get tested before taking Tamiflu. Ever.
My counterpoint is that people (usually) don't have to do anything special to get tested for flu besides making their doctor's appointment. They'll get tested for flu in the office -- commonly if not 100% of the time.
If you say the doctor's offices you've seen and been to, that they don't test for flu ... I have no reason to doubt you. I've seen such doctor's offices myself -- they'd send you to Quest Diagnostics or another private testing chain.
The Commish
Footballguy
Right....these sorts of things go back to a person's world view as has been discussed in several of these threads. Here in Florida there are a TON of people who live in multi generational households. It seems prudent for the groups of people leaving the house frequently that they'd test once or twice a week to protect their grandparents and great grandparents. It's a crappy situation we're in and people are trying to do the best we can.
ETA: And none of this goes away for us when these folks come to visit. We'll do the same things. Immunocompromised people continue to be so even after holidays.
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dkp993
Footballguy
My niece is an ICU nurse in Minnesota. The standard nurse to patient ratio is 1:1 or 1:2 max with at least 1 Doctor on premise at all times. She’s been at 1:4 or 1:5 for months now and there are no more over night docs on premise. She told me last night she left her shift with the expectation that 3 of the 4 she was currently caring for would die that night. All COVID. This is common place for her right now. She’s like a walking zombie of her former self.
My next door neighbor is an emergency room doc here in SoCal, his wife an emergency room nurse. Saw them 2 days ago and they look like walking death, so incredibly run down.
Being vaxed and boosted the truth is I pretty much am living my day to day life normal and virtually unfazed by COVID any more, that is until I speak with or see my friends and family who work in the medical field. I’m immediately snapped back into the reality of what’s happening.
We can all sit in judgment of the mistakes or lies that have gone on over the last 18 months. But I know a lot of people working in the medical field and on the front lines. These people all have different political backgrounds, some with very strong political ideologies that differ greatly from mine. But to a person they all plead with everybody they talk to to get vaxed and boosted. For anyone seeing it firsthand there is zero question about the vaccinations efficacy.
This should not even be a debate any longer. The fact that it is shows how far down the rabbit hole we’ve tumbled.
My next door neighbor is an emergency room doc here in SoCal, his wife an emergency room nurse. Saw them 2 days ago and they look like walking death, so incredibly run down.
Being vaxed and boosted the truth is I pretty much am living my day to day life normal and virtually unfazed by COVID any more, that is until I speak with or see my friends and family who work in the medical field. I’m immediately snapped back into the reality of what’s happening.
We can all sit in judgment of the mistakes or lies that have gone on over the last 18 months. But I know a lot of people working in the medical field and on the front lines. These people all have different political backgrounds, some with very strong political ideologies that differ greatly from mine. But to a person they all plead with everybody they talk to to get vaxed and boosted. For anyone seeing it firsthand there is zero question about the vaccinations efficacy.
This should not even be a debate any longer. The fact that it is shows how far down the rabbit hole we’ve tumbled.
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BassNBrew
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Two years ago I had a flu test before being prescriber Tamiflu. In this climate I would first suspect Covid and test for that remotely before scheduling a doctor's appt for a flu test.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
My guess is that there is a limit because the hospitals can only accommodate a certain amount of students each semester for clinicals.
Also, nursing school (when my wife got her degree) was only 2 years (might have been 27 months, can't remember). Most hospitals now require a BSN which takes 4 years. It's more practical to go back to the 2 year programs and require a BSN within 5 years of service (which is what my wife did).
Man, I can't go around writing out essays for people that can't understand a 16 word sentence. Not my gig.
Hope you aren't positive so you guys can quarantine prior and not worry about anything.
ETA: It's too bad more rapid testing isn't available. Huge oversight by the Admin. You took PCR test on Sunday and still don't have it back yet? That's some sort of failure there too.
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Max Power
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Seems like some of the emerging concerns from employers are if workers have a mild symptom of covid. With no access to a test, they might have to take off all 5 days just assuming they have covid.
Something historically keeping an employee out a day or two or even not at all can now be a 5 day issue. Multiply this across an entire workforce and there will be noticable production issues.
Something historically keeping an employee out a day or two or even not at all can now be a 5 day issue. Multiply this across an entire workforce and there will be noticable production issues.
The Commish
Footballguy
Availability of tests has been a problem from the beginning even if for different reasons. Early on they were simply dismissed as pointless. Now we are experiencing the capitalistic nature of our economy. The availability of tests is up to the companies to provide them. At BEST "this Admin" could throw money at the problem and there's still no guarantee. I'd LOVE it if our state would take some of the $3.5B they have sitting in the bank from the federal government and use it to get tests in the hands of individuals. That'd be sweet. It's always interesting to watch people hop from side A of the coin to side B of the coin as their favorite politicians are in control or not.
Max Power
Footballguy
I feel like the goal of these tests have changed since the start. Alpha/Delta variants were still an unknown and we were still shooting for a zero covid policy.
Omicron is less severe and we're more tolerant towards covid two years later.
The tests still have issues but are clearly better than nothing while we continue to set new daily records.
Imo - The schools want to keep the pass % number high therefore are looking for students that they believe will pass the various state tests to become a nurse. It matters for the school credentialing of their program and it a prestige thing.
dkp993
Footballguy
While that’s possible it doesn’t line up with what I’ve seen first hand. The people I mentioned above would absolutely pass the state tests (3 ultimately got in and are now nurses the other 2 gave up and move on). My assessment of the situation was it was a lack of resources (teachers ?) and needing to keep class sizes rigid. What I do know for sure is my mom railed against it for years as a bottle neck was/is creating serious issues upstream.
The Commish
Footballguy
Testing is as important today as it was at the beginning. In my view, testing (or lack thereof) has been one of the most inexcusable mistakes we've made. I said it early and continue to say it now.
You work for one of the testing companies? Testing is a big business and its the only reason we still have it.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Still?
We never built up our testing capacity anywhere near where it should have been.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
It's crazy to me that after all this time the government and public health agencies still don't understand/appreciate how much more control we would have over spreading the virus if everyone tested themselves at home every morning before leaving the house. Simple swab. Test negative, go about your day. Test positive, stay home and isolate until testing negative. (This assumes perfect tests, and I know the tests aren't perfect.)
Biden's administration: "We're going to send out 500 million tests!"
Great, that's a 2 day supply per American.
Look I'm no doctor, epidemiologist, or public health official. But with vaccines, tests, and therapeutics like Paxlovid (Pfizer's pill) we could basically be done with this, or at the least in a much better place.
Step 1) Get vaccinated, largely preventing people from going to the hospital or worse. (Yes, even if it's 3 or more doses, other vaccines have more than 2 doses, please already with this debate.)
Step 2) Test daily: negative go about your day, positive stay home.
Step 3) If positive with symptoms, start a course of Paxlovid. No symptoms, go to step 2.
I mean LFG already. If we don't have enough supply of the above and capacity in hospitals, then what in the world are we doing here people in charge? Hello?
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Also eventually with enough of step 2 and step 3 we could probably phase out step 1.
I suggested this in the FFA thread and everyone called this plan unreasonable or unrealisticIt's crazy to me that after all this time the government and public health agencies still don't understand/appreciate how much more control we would have over spreading the virus if everyone tested themselves at home every morning before leaving the house. Simple swab. Test negative, go about your day. Test positive, stay home and isolate until testing negative. (This assumes perfect tests, and I know the tests aren't perfect.)
Biden's administration: "We're going to send out 500 million tests!"
Great, that's a 2 day supply per American.
Look I'm no doctor, epidemiologist, or public health official. But with vaccines, tests, and therapeutics like Paxlovid (Pfizer's pill) we could basically be done with this, or at the least in a much better place.
Step 1) Get vaccinated, largely preventing people from going to the hospital or worse. (Yes, even if it's 3 or more doses, other vaccines have more than 2 doses, please already with this debate.)
Step 2) Test daily: negative go about your day, positive stay home.
Step 3) If positive with symptoms, start a course of Paxlovid. No symptoms, go to step 2.
I mean LFG already. If we don't have enough supply of the above and capacity in hospitals, then what in the world are we doing here people in charge? Hello?
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This should have happened in April 2020, and a bunch of us were calling for something very much like this back then.
Realistically, though, this isn't going to happen. TBH, I am not going to take a test every morning before leaving my house if I feel okay, and my guess that I represent a fairly large majority. If the median person can't be bothered to get a booster shot, they're certainly not going to bother with daily testing. (But it would be great to give folks this option, which they absolutely do not currently have given how difficult it is to find at-home tests and how expensive they are).
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Florida Surgeon General just said that they are moving away from testing everyone which has been a failure and doesn't prevent spread. Instead, they are moving to testing individuals if the test will "improve a treatment outcome". When asked about people who want to spend time with vulnerable populations he said rather than testing there are other methods of spread prevention: 1.) don't visit with the person if you're concerned; 2.) get the vulnerable person vaccinated; and 3.) there a good therapeutics to treat those who get infected.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
It's crazy to me that after all this time the government and public health agencies still don't understand/appreciate how much more control we would have over spreading the virus if everyone tested themselves at home every morning before leaving the house. Simple swab. Test negative, go about your day. Test positive, stay home and isolate until testing negative. (This assumes perfect tests, and I know the tests aren't perfect.)
Biden's administration: "We're going to send out 500 million tests!"
Great, that's a 2 day supply per American.
Look I'm no doctor, epidemiologist, or public health official. But with vaccines, tests, and therapeutics like Paxlovid (Pfizer's pill) we could basically be done with this, or at the least in a much better place.
Step 1) Get vaccinated, largely preventing people from going to the hospital or worse. (Yes, even if it's 3 or more doses, other vaccines have more than 2 doses, please already with this debate.)
Step 2) Test daily: negative go about your day, positive stay home.
Step 3) If positive with symptoms, start a course of Paxlovid. No symptoms, go to step 2.
I mean LFG already. If we don't have enough supply of the above and capacity in hospitals, then what in the world are we doing here people in charge? Hello?
Daily testing is not feasible. 330M tests a day. 2.3B a week. 120T a year. How much do the tests cost? Multiply that by 120T.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Then think about the fact no one can get tests as it is, daily tests ain’t happening.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
thousands fired for standing up and saying they wouldn't be bullied into taking the shots .... hospitals knew they'd be short staffed when they fired their staff
The Commish
Footballguy
Right....this is what happens when one allows politics to drive narrative/action. No real clue why you responded to my post with his nonsense, but he's essentially saying "instead of getting tested and being safe so you can see your family/friends stay away from them and don't get tested". You'd think that he'd understand vaccinating immunocompromised people does little to help them and that the therapeutics don't really help all that much for them either or that we have a TON of multigenerational families who can't isolate from each other. He's a shlub and has been a shlub ever sense he laughed at a cancer patient asking him to wear a mask in her office.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
remember what Joe said
The Trump Fiasco: The failure to test swiftly and broadly led to the failure to get the virus under control.. It is unacceptable that with cases surging in some parts of the country and Americans urged to go back to work in others, we still do not have the basic capacity in testing and contact tracing we need to sustainably manage this virus. In Arizona, this past week, Americans with COVID-19 have had to wait in baking hot cars in miles-long lines for a test, and those were the lucky ones who had an appointment. In March, Donald Trump claimed that every American who wanted a test could get one. It was a lie then. It’s still a lie.
The Biden Plan:
Stand up a Pandemic Testing Board to massively surge a nationwide campaign and guarantee regular, reliable, and free access to testing for all, including every worker called back on the job .
Double the number of drive-through testing sites and increase the numbers until there are no more lines.
Build a national contact tracing workforce, starting by hiring at least 100,000 Americans and equipping sorely under-resourced public health departments with the resources they need to spot and stop outbreaks.
The Trump Fiasco: The failure to test swiftly and broadly led to the failure to get the virus under control.. It is unacceptable that with cases surging in some parts of the country and Americans urged to go back to work in others, we still do not have the basic capacity in testing and contact tracing we need to sustainably manage this virus. In Arizona, this past week, Americans with COVID-19 have had to wait in baking hot cars in miles-long lines for a test, and those were the lucky ones who had an appointment. In March, Donald Trump claimed that every American who wanted a test could get one. It was a lie then. It’s still a lie.
The Biden Plan:
Stand up a Pandemic Testing Board to massively surge a nationwide campaign and guarantee regular, reliable, and free access to testing for all, including every worker called back on the job .
Double the number of drive-through testing sites and increase the numbers until there are no more lines.
Build a national contact tracing workforce, starting by hiring at least 100,000 Americans and equipping sorely under-resourced public health departments with the resources they need to spot and stop outbreaks.
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The Commish
Footballguy
All this.....we are basically at the "person slamming their head against a concrete wall while complaining they have a headache" portion of the program. All this was easily avoidable, but the country chose to be where we are.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Ah...so Harvard educated doctor doesn't know what he's talking about. Let's hear what The Commish thinks about how to stop the spread of COVID...
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Yup, myself included on the bolded.
My point is directed at the government and public health agencies more than to individuals. Right now it's up to people to scramble. Currently a lot of onus is placed on the individual to figure out what to do and where to go when it comes to testing and therapeutics specifically. To the government, what I'm saying is make these supplies available and give people the how-to on dealing with this, instead of leaving people figure out everything with muddy guidance and scarce testing resources when they're really needed. People are busy working, raising kids, going to school, etc. I understand not everyone will be on board with something like daily testing, but right now there isn't a plan nor resources to make this available on any scale for those that would be interested. That's a miss, IMO. We could be much farther along by now, the current admin placed way too much stock in vaccines, private companies like CVS and Walgreens, and on Americans to actually do the heavy lifting. Just telling people to go get boosted isn't enough, that's not a plan.
The Commish
Footballguy
Again....a guy who laughed in the face of a cancer patient because she requested he wear a mask while in her office. You quoted me, so why don't you tell me how his "solution" helps the immunocompromised or those dealing with multigenerational situations where separations aren't possible and the vaccines don't work.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
They really aren't allowed to go much further than this. Neither was the last guy or the guy before him or the one before him. From a federal perspective, about all he can do is commission companies to make more supply or get the Governors together and come up with a plan for the states, but it's rather clear the latter would be a COMPLETE waste of time and with a country like ours everyone needs to be on board.
The Commish
Footballguy
You aren't going to answer my question? Knowing status helps people take precautions within the home if necessary....I'd even consider getting a hotel room for a few days...whacky right?
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
And we have therapeutics for people who get COVID. There really isn't a good reason for people to get tested once a week or multiple times a week.
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