Report that Jets brass doesn't want Favre back (1 Viewer)

[Stinger Ray]

I don't any mention of Jones stating Favre stunk down the stretch here...I see mention of just the Miami game.

Jones: 'I've got most respect for Brett'

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ESPN.com news services

New York Jets running back Thomas Jones clarified on Friday his critical comments of earlier this week on Brett Favre, saying he would expect the record-setting quarterback to answer questions the same way about him if he had performed poorly in a key game.

"I've got most respect for Brett," Jones said in an interview on ESPN's First Take. "He's one of the best quarterbacks of all-time. He's a great teammate, you know, he brought a lot to our team this year."

Jones said his aim in doing a radio interview Tuesday with New York's Hot 97 FM wasn't to talk about Favre or the Jets but to promote his music business.

"I didn't go up there [to] participate in Brett Favre questions," he said. "So when she asked me the question about interceptions, I answered it, as far as how I felt from the game -- the Miami game."

Favre threw three interceptions in the Jets' season-ending 24-17 loss to Miami that clinched the AFC East for the Dolphins. The Jets' 1-4 finish kept them out of the playoffs and helped trigger Eric Mangini's firing as coach.

"The other day, the three interceptions really hurt us. I mean, that's just reality," Jones told the radio station. "If I were to sit here and say, 'Oh, man, it's OK,' that's not reality. ... I don't like it, I know everybody else on the team doesn't like it.

"If somebody is not playing well, they need to come out of the game," Jones told Hot 97 FM. "You're jeopardizing the whole team because you're having a bad day. To me, that's not fair to everybody else. You're not the only one on the team. So when you get to the wire and somebody is just giving the game up, I mean, it's just not [fair]."

Favre threw nine interceptions and only two touchdown passes in the Jets' final five games.

On Friday, Jones said his interview with the radio station "got chopped up."

"I'm not the type of person that goes out there and just throws people under the bus or make comments about people," Jones said. "Either I answer a question honestly, realistically, or I don't answer it at all."

Jones said he limited the scope of his remarks to Favre's Sunday turnovers.

"The only thing that I could give my opinion on was the interceptions. And that's what I did," he said. "As far as him coming out of the game, that's not my call just like if I'm the game and I'm not playing well, and I have two or three fumbles, that's not my call."

The nine-year veteran said he hasn't discussed the comments with Favre but likely would.

"I'll talk to Brett. Everything is cool with me and Brett. He's a great guy," Jones said. "We have a lot of fun over there at work. I answered the question. I would expect him to answer the question the same way about me if I had two fumbles and it was a situation where I wasn't playing well and he answered the question the same way. I wouldn't look at him any different. I wouldn't be sensitive to the answer because we all know in this league you have to protect the football to win."

Jones, who finished the season with 1,312 yards -- 23 yards short of his career high set with the Chicago Bears in 2005 -- was held to 23 yards Sunday on 10 carries. Leon Washington led the Jets on the ground with 60 yards.

"Bottom line, we make a lot of money in this league to go out there and make plays and win football games, and as a team everybody has to be accountable," Jones said. "I have a great relationship with Brett."

Jones said the team as a whole was ultimately responsible for Sunday's loss.

"We were driving and we were in position a couple of times. . . . And it didn't work out," he said Friday. "Nobody's perfect, trust me. I'm not perfect by any means. Brett Favre's not perfect by any means.

"There's not one person on that team when we win a game. Everybody on that team contributed. The trainers, the practice squad guys, everybody on that team contributed. When we lose a game, everybody's included. Everybody could always do something better.

"So of course when things aren't going the way you want them to go it's not a personal attack on that player as an individual performance. We get paid a lot of money to make plays."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3806019

 

[Mr Anonymous]

You didn't hear the interview, or Jones' comments afterwards. But you know what he was referring to.

This is becoming a little too painful, but nonetheless I'll bite. Yes, I read portions of the interview, have read Jones' comments afterwards, and have read articles about both. I realize that Jones was specific to Favre when refering to interceptions, and unspecific when refering to players who needed to be benched. But I also realize that it doesn't take a friggin' rocket scientist to realize that even if the two topics were seperate in the interview he was speaking of Favre or included Favre among a handful of those responsible. And all it takes is some semblance of intelligence to realize that Jones has a PR person in his ear telling him that he can clarify the part about "benching" because he didn't specifically refer to Favre by name in that part of the interview. I'm sure there may have been other Jets deserving of blame, but if you can't gather from Jones' original comments that he was refering to Favre than there is no helping you. God rest your soul.

 

[bcr8f]

Jets mistakenly bought the hype and let a qb who is much better than favre go to get the 'legend'. They are paying the price for their mistake.And yes, Pennington is a much better quarterback than favre at this point in time. Chad threw 7 interceptions all season. Exchange QB, and the jets are in the playoffs, 'fins are not, and Mangini still has a job.And check the numbers before you start throwing the 'favre hater' tag around.

Much better? Pennington stunk last year. They crowded the LOS because he couldn't throw 20 yards.You guys just make #### up as you go along.

 

[massraider]

You didn't hear the interview, or Jones' comments afterwards. But you know what he was referring to.

This is becoming a little too painful, but nonetheless I'll bite. Yes, I read portions of the interview, have read Jones' comments afterwards, and have read articles about both. I realize that Jones was specific to Favre when refering to interceptions, and unspecific when refering to players who needed to be benched. But I also realize that it doesn't take a friggin' rocket scientist to realize that even if the two topics were seperate in the interview he was speaking of Favre or included Favre among a handful of those responsible.

saying that is no problem. But this became a story because the quote was Jones said that Favre should ahve taken himself out. Jones said no such thing, and it should never have gotten this big.

 

[zDragon]

It's always easy to throw out what doesn't support your reasoning.

I thought he was the big stud standing up to the legend. If that's the case he already realized the magnitude of what he was saying. In fact it would be kinda silly to think he didn't the first time.

I'm not sure I'm dealing with a rational human being here, but if you wanna go on believing that Jones wasn't directly being critical of Favre, well then good luck with that. Jones is not claiming that he was refering to teammates in general. And how could he unless he thinks we'll all make the leap that a LB could have been the one throwing those picks Jones harped about.And this sure doesn't sound like Jones claimimg he was refering to someone else, it sounds more like damage control. You know the kind of backpedaling you see when words like "rat" and "throwing teammates under the bus" start popping up...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3806019

There no denial in there, just an attempt to soften the blow. He's just clarifying that he didn't intend for the interview to be a Favre bashfest. His claim is that he was merely answering the questions being asked of him by the "gotcha media" and it turned into one.

I'll ignore your first sentence since it's unneeded but seems to be the standard here when someone disagrees with you.So if I can ignore the lies in the second story since it's obvious he's not telling the truth because he was caught in a bad situation. Then why would I believe anything he said in the first interview?

The media like you are trying to spin it to be worse than what it was and he is clearly denying what was reported.

 

[zDragon]

I don't need him to come right out and specifically say "Brett Favre should have been benched" to realize that's exactly who he was refering to. This clarification is really an insult to people's intelligence. But then again since some people are actually buying it, maybe it really is a true indicator of people's intelligence.

You didn't hear the interview, or Jones' comments afterwards. But you know what he was referring to. This is why ESPN can take any comment out of context, and make it into a sensational story, because they know there are people like you, that believe anything on the scroll along the bottom of their TV. Sad.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Jets mistakenly bought the hype and let a qb who is much better than favre go to get the 'legend'. They are paying the price for their mistake.

And yes, Pennington is a much better quarterback than favre at this point in time. Chad threw 7 interceptions all season. Exchange QB, and the jets are in the playoffs, 'fins are not, and Mangini still has a job.

And check the numbers before you start throwing the 'favre hater' tag around.

Much better? Pennington stunk last year. They crowded the LOS because he couldn't throw 20 yards.

You guys just make #### up as you go along.

QB RATINGBF CP

81.0 97.4 2008

95.7 86,1 2007

72.7 82.6 2006

70.9 70.9 2005

Pennington has been significantly > Favre 2 of the past 3 years, with 2005 being a tie.

Defense crowding the line because Chad couldn't throw 20 yards? You must not have watched any Dolphin football this year. If lobbing the ball 60 yards into double coverage is a virtue, well Chad is lacking in that area. But he's thrown accurately 30-50 yards enough this year to dispel that spaghetti arm nonesense.

Might want to check the numbers before you post.

 

[Kiddnets]

With Shanny officially out now - see other thread on HC - looks like they are going assistant route (article mentioned Marty out too) - how does this affect Favre? How do you make a Spags or Rex Ryan go with Brett for a year? I think this is the end for Brett in N Y

 

[fatness]

ESPN got the first story wrong, as well as the clarification. He most definitley denied the ESPN story. The ESPN anchor tried to get him to throw Favre under the bus, and he refused.

This is the original article, not the one on ESPN: Star-Ledger article on NJ.com

Commenting this week on a local radio show about Favre's three interceptions in the season finale, Jones said, "I'm (ticked) off. I don't like it. I know everybody else on the team doesn't like it.

"When somebody's not playing well, you need to come out of the game. You're jeopardizing the whole team's effort because you're having a bad day. To me, that's not fair to everybody else. I mean, you're not the only one on the team."

Another player, who requested anonymity, also had some harsh words on Favre.

"It's the quarterback throwing the ball all over the place," the player said when asked about the struggles of the offense down the stretch. "And he didn't suffer any repercussions. He kept doing it. People said (coach) Eric (Mangini) called him out in meetings. I didn't see it. Eric treated him like he was Brett Favre. A lot of guys didn't like it."

You can go ahead and pretend that no Jets players are denouncing Favre and pretend that the "clarification" is anything more than ###-covering. The rest of us understand what's going on.

 

[fatness]

For the second year in a row, Brett Favre has lost respect in his locker room and lost respect among fans. For the second year in a row, he has divided an organization and a fan base. But some don't care. Late last season and into the offseason, there were rumblings in Green Bay that Packer players weren't happy about the way Brett Favre was treated. They weren't happy that while the quarterbacks sat in the film room studying, Brett was in his own private office, away from everyone else. Many of those comments from players were blown off, since the Packers were just beginning the playoffs. The same has happened in New York, but New York is not Green Bay. No comments are blown off. Many will say Thomas Jones should've never said what he said to the media, and went to Favre himself, or just kept it in-house.

That's fine, I can agree with that. But the people saying that trying to make Favre the victim forget that last year, Deanna Favre set up an exclusive interview for her husband on Fox News, so Brett could go on national television to complain about how Ted Thompson didn't do what Brett wanted him to do.

In search for a new coach after firing Eric Mangini, the Jets gave a call to Bill Cowher, only to be declined. Reports say that a source close to Cowher said that Cowher would not coach the Jets unless he was assured that Brett would not be there. Now, I have a hard time believing "a source close to" stuff. But anyone who knows Bill Cowher's philosophy on coaching and handling players knows that Brett Favre is not the kind of player he would want to coach. Under Bill Cowher, he has 53 players. Not one legend and 52 players. Brett believes in the latter.

and

The Jets start out 8-3 and talks of the Super Bowl begin. They had just got done winning at New England and At Tennessee in consecutive weeks. But Brett Favre wasn't happy. He went to the coaching staff complaining that the offense wasn't aggressive enough and that they needed to throw the ball down the field more.

BleacherReport

 

[sho nuff]

Wait...I was told the Jets were better prepared to handle the situation and there would be no circus in NY.

Hmmm....

What are you considering a circus? The fact that Favre wanted he shoulder x-rayed before making a decision. The fact that a player spoke out about how the season ended? The fact that who the new coach would be?Seems to me to be the normal work day for an NFL team.

The fact that there were reports about Favre not liking how Mangini scolded him.The coach getting fired.

Players saying that few thought Mangini should have been fired.

Players now coming out against Favre.

Speculation as to the coach having say in Favre's return.

Mixed reports of Jet's brass and their thoughts on Favre.

The circus is in full force in NY.

According to another thread we can take this one out. It was just the media stirring the pot.

No...we really cannot.Jones did not take back his comments...and there was at least one other who spoke anonymously.

 

[massraider]

You can go ahead and pretend that no Jets players are denouncing Favre and pretend that the "clarification" is anything more than ###-covering. The rest of us understand what's going on.

Link?

 

[sho nuff]

I don't need him to come right out and specifically say "Brett Favre should have been benched" to realize that's exactly who he was refering to. This clarification is really an insult to people's intelligence. But then again since some people are actually buying it, maybe it really is a true indicator of people's intelligence.

You didn't hear the interview, or Jones' comments afterwards. But you know what he was referring to. This is why ESPN can take any comment out of context, and make it into a sensational story, because they know there are people like you, that believe anything on the scroll along the bottom of their TV. Sad.

Because the Favre bashers will take anything they can to try and rip on him.

No...you Favre lovers will take anything you can to make excuses for him.Jones did not take back what he said.Nor did the anonymous player who said things about him.This was not made up by the media or by any fans.

 

[sho nuff]

It's always easy to throw out what doesn't support your reasoning.

I thought he was the big stud standing up to the legend. If that's the case he already realized the magnitude of what he was saying. In fact it would be kinda silly to think he didn't the first time.

I'm not sure I'm dealing with a rational human being here, but if you wanna go on believing that Jones wasn't directly being critical of Favre, well then good luck with that. Jones is not claiming that he was refering to teammates in general. And how could he unless he thinks we'll all make the leap that a LB could have been the one throwing those picks Jones harped about.And this sure doesn't sound like Jones claimimg he was refering to someone else, it sounds more like damage control. You know the kind of backpedaling you see when words like "rat" and "throwing teammates under the bus" start popping up...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3806019

There no denial in there, just an attempt to soften the blow. He's just clarifying that he didn't intend for the interview to be a Favre bashfest. His claim is that he was merely answering the questions being asked of him by the "gotcha media" and it turned into one.

I'll ignore your first sentence since it's unneeded but seems to be the standard here when someone disagrees with you.So if I can ignore the lies in the second story since it's obvious he's not telling the truth because he was caught in a bad situation. Then why would I believe anything he said in the first interview?

The media like you are trying to spin it to be worse than what it was and he is clearly denying what was reported.

If it was just about Jones, you might have a point.But there was another player, team management, and a coach was fired.

And Jones' 2nd comments appeared to be about spin and damage control more than anything.

But some of you seem to be bent on excusing anything for Favre.

It was the new system.

It was the spin of the media.

The Favre haters just want to bash him.

When is enough enough?

Will he need more excuses next year if he comes back to another new coach and system?

When will he be ready? By week 13 this time? Or still getting excused in week 17?

 

[fatness]

Jones did not take back his comments...and there was at least one other who spoke anonymously.

There was more than one player.

On Monday, Kerry Rhodes said: "If he's dedicated and he wants to come back and do this, and do it the right way ... and be here when we're here in training camp and the minicamps and working out with us ... then I'm fine with it. But don't come back if it's going to be halfhearted or he doesn't want to put the time in with us."

Newsday

 

[fatness]

Link?

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[Mario Kart]

Link?

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Seriously?

 

[deep vacuum]

Favre is still an above-average QB. If given the chance and a full off-season to work out with the team, he will back and better than ever. He might not be top 5 anymore but he is still top 15 worthy.

The more I think about this Favre situation the more I wonder what Jets fans and Jets brass were expecting from Brett in the first place.

Good question. Here are Favre's numbers the last 5 games in each of the last 4 seasons:2005: 1 touchdown, 10 interceptions, 54.40 passer rating2006: 4 touchdowns, 8 interceptions, 61.22 passer rating2007: 6 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, 73.33 passer rating2008: 2 touchdowns, 9 interceptions, 54.90 passer ratingSo that's 13 touchdowns, 34 interceptions, and a 59.92 passer rating in those 20 games. And we're all aware of his playoff performances the last decade. So apparently they were content to just sell some seats and maybe if they're lucky make the playoffs. He clearly wears down as the season goes on, so winning the Superbowl was a pipe dream assuming they did their research. It's also a pretty clear indication of why the Packers didn't want to delay the developement of Aaron Rodgers any longer.

One of these two posts reflects the opinion of most Favre fans. The other is backed up by facts that damages the rose colored beliefs of many Favre fans.

 

[Tom Servo]

Favre is still an above-average QB. If given the chance and a full off-season to work out with the team, he will back and better than ever. He might not be top 5 anymore but he is still top 15 worthy.

The more I think about this Favre situation the more I wonder what Jets fans and Jets brass were expecting from Brett in the first place.

Good question. Here are Favre's numbers the last 5 games in each of the last 4 seasons:2005: 1 touchdown, 10 interceptions, 54.40 passer rating2006: 4 touchdowns, 8 interceptions, 61.22 passer rating2007: 6 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, 73.33 passer rating2008: 2 touchdowns, 9 interceptions, 54.90 passer ratingSo that's 13 touchdowns, 34 interceptions, and a 59.92 passer rating in those 20 games. And we're all aware of his playoff performances the last decade. So apparently they were content to just sell some seats and maybe if they're lucky make the playoffs. He clearly wears down as the season goes on, so winning the Superbowl was a pipe dream assuming they did their research. It's also a pretty clear indication of why the Packers didn't want to delay the developement of Aaron Rodgers any longer.

One of these two posts reflects the opinion of most Favre fans. The other is backed up by facts that damages the rose colored beliefs of many Favre fans.

 

[Das Boot]

Report that Jets brass doesn't want Favre back