Republicans are a joke (1 Viewer)

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

 

[popsecret]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

 

[MaxThreshold]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

You make a really good point here.

 

[jamny]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

They aren't because neither of them are seriously going to run. Sure, one or both might make it official but I still doubt it. Like Trump, they do it for publicity. So they're free to say whatever they want and it gets linked to the Republicans. Celebrity politicians. Are there Dem equivalents?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I find it exasperating that the Republican party has somehow managed to firmly brand itself as the anti-science, anti-education party. The Democrats have their own problems too, but I'm not voting for a party that takes Sarah Palin seriously.

You seriously think Democrats are pro-science? Democrats only love science when it gives them an opportunity for a big goverment power grab. Every solution the Democrats favor do nothing to solve the problem. Every one is a money and power grab

Like I said, Democrats have their own problems. Anti-intellectualism isn't one of them though.

 

[rockaction]

I find it exasperating that the Republican party has somehow managed to firmly brand itself as the anti-science, anti-education party. The Democrats have their own problems too, but I'm not voting for a party that takes Sarah Palin seriously.

You seriously think Democrats are pro-science? Democrats only love science when it gives them an opportunity for a big goverment power grab. Every solution the Democrats favor do nothing to solve the problem. Every one is a money and power grab

Like I said, Democrats have their own problems. Anti-intellectualism isn't one of them though.

None of these complaints are new. I appreciate your post, but it would seem the modern anti-vaccination movement kind of came from the Hollywood Left, which, in recent days, has been spun dramatically as the modern public's lack of science knowledge. It's been kind of comical to watch.

In addition, any party that was formed and shaped by a guy that said "I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University" is going to be a bit anti-intellectual in its later iterations. The branders themselves were lamenting the loss of their institutions to the left, or so it would seem. That anti-science and anti-intellectual charge has been issued by the left since at least McCarthy and HUAC, only in different iterations. See: "Republican, nihilism" and Andrew Sullivan and Julian Sanchez' "epistemic closure," etc.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

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[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Climate Change -- denied overwhelmingly on the right

Evolution -- denied more on the right

Vaccinations -- denied slightly more on the right, but by a minority of both groups

GMO -- denied slightly more on the left, but by a minority of both groups

You can look it up.

 

[rockaction]

Climate Change -- denied overwhelmingly on the right

Evolution -- denied more on the right

Vaccinations -- denied slightly more on the right, but by a minority of both groups

GMO -- denied slightly more on the left, but by a minority of both groups

You can look it up.

That's fine. And a fair point. I'm wondering if the left can explain about what happened when "science" was brought to bear on policy from the left, with a special emphasis on phrenology and eugenic arguments.

You can look that up.

 

[Gawain]

Climate Change -- denied overwhelmingly on the right

Evolution -- denied more on the right

Vaccinations -- denied slightly more on the right, but by a minority of both groups

GMO -- denied slightly more on the left, but by a minority of both groups

You can look it up.

I don't get the GMO one.

All food is modified, you ever see an original banana?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Climate Change -- denied overwhelmingly on the right

Evolution -- denied more on the right

Vaccinations -- denied slightly more on the right, but by a minority of both groups

GMO -- denied slightly more on the left, but by a minority of both groups

You can look it up.

That's fine. And a fair point. I'm wondering if the left can explain about what happened when "science" was brought to bear on policy from the left, with a special emphasis on phrenology and eugenic arguments.

You can look that up.

You'll get no argument from me. People deny stuff that makes them uncomfortable. Just pointing out that the vaccinations and GMO thing were an even split and that (today) there's more of it going in one direction than the other.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Climate Change -- denied overwhelmingly on the right

Evolution -- denied more on the right

Vaccinations -- denied slightly more on the right, but by a minority of both groups

GMO -- denied slightly more on the left, but by a minority of both groups

You can look it up.

False. No one on the right denies Climate Change. The climate has always been changing. That's not in dispute.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Climate Change -- denied overwhelmingly on the right

Evolution -- denied more on the right

Vaccinations -- denied slightly more on the right, but by a minority of both groups

GMO -- denied slightly more on the left, but by a minority of both groups

You can look it up.

I don't get the GMO one.

All food is modified, you ever see an original banana?

I don't get it either -- outside the stuff where the altered whatever can breed with the wild version and mess up the ecosystem.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I find it exasperating that the Republican party has somehow managed to firmly brand itself as the anti-science, anti-education party. The Democrats have their own problems too, but I'm not voting for a party that takes Sarah Palin seriously.

Yeah, this is the biggest problem my Republican colleagues and ex-classmates have.

 

[Soonerman]

Twice as many Democrats as Republicans believe in reincarnation and astrology.

 

[joffer]

Twice as many Democrats as Republicans believe in reincarnation and astrology.

how about leprechauns?

 

[urbanhack]

I find it exasperating that the Republican party has somehow managed to firmly brand itself as the anti-science, anti-education party. The Democrats have their own problems too, but I'm not voting for a party that takes Sarah Palin seriously.

You could take out Sarah Palin and replace it with a whole host of people and the sentence still has merit. Michelle Bachman, Ted Cruz, Joni Ernst, Rick Santorum, Ben Carson, etc. These are all people who've been trotted out as either recent presidential candidates or future candidates or rising stars within the party. These aren't fringe political figures with tiny followings; these are people with actual real political clout.

Oh, I agree. I was just using Palin as one example. Kind of sad that there are so many others that I could have picked.

The only one on that list that I'm willing to listen to is Cruz.

 

[roadkill1292]

At another board there was a thread with some routine boomer-bashing going on and it made me think that now is the time for the people under 40 to get off their azzes and use the power of the internet to turn politics around in this country. We have a completely purchased legislature now, average age somewhere around 70, and they ain't getting it done -- at least in any kind of reasonable manner -- and a lot of them are still stuck in 1965 to boot. Time to organize the Millennial Whig Party, create a platform unbeholden to big money and campaign via social media. It won't happen overnight but the old tyrants are dying off and the youngsters might become a force for pragmatism and good.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I find it exasperating that the Republican party has somehow managed to firmly brand itself as the anti-science, anti-education party. The Democrats have their own problems too, but I'm not voting for a party that takes Sarah Palin seriously.

You seriously think Democrats are pro-science? Democrats only love science when it gives them an opportunity for a big goverment power grab. Every solution the Democrats favor do nothing to solve the problem. Every one is a money and power grab

Like I said, Democrats have their own problems. Anti-intellectualism isn't one of them though.

None of these complaints are new. I appreciate your post, but it would seem the modern anti-vaccination movement kind of came from the Hollywood Left, which, in recent days, has been spun dramatically as the modern public's lack of science knowledge. It's been kind of comical to watch.

In addition, any party that was formed and shaped by a guy that said "I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University" is going to be a bit anti-intellectual in its later iterations. The branders themselves were lamenting the loss of their institutions to the left, or so it would seem. That anti-science and anti-intellectual charge has been issued by the left since at least McCarthy and HUAC, only in different iterations. See: "Republican, nihilism" and Andrew Sullivan and Julian Sanchez' "epistemic closure," etc.

That's the thing, though. There's no room for a William F. Buckley in the conservative movement any more. He wasn't anti-intellectual -- the quote you provided was directed at a leftist professoriate (deservedly), not against education in general. More importantly, Buckley was influential in running some of the nuts out of mainstream conservatism. I'd like to think that he would have panned a dingbat like Christine O'Donnell.

 

[jamny]

I find it exasperating that the Republican party has somehow managed to firmly brand itself as the anti-science, anti-education party. The Democrats have their own problems too, but I'm not voting for a party that takes Sarah Palin seriously.

You could take out Sarah Palin and replace it with a whole host of people and the sentence still has merit. Michelle Bachman, Ted Cruz, Joni Ernst, Rick Santorum, Ben Carson, etc. These are all people who've been trotted out as either recent presidential candidates or future candidates or rising stars within the party. These aren't fringe political figures with tiny followings; these are people with actual real political clout.

Oh, I agree. I was just using Palin as one example. Kind of sad that there are so many others that I could have picked.

The only one on that list that I'm willing to listen to is Cruz.

That's pretty lame pulling that out of what I said.

 

[NREC34]

According to Politifact, of the statements they checked, the only 100% true thing Cruz has said involved something about toilet seats.

 

[njherdfan]

I find it exasperating that the Republican party has somehow managed to firmly brand itself as the anti-science, anti-education party. The Democrats have their own problems too, but I'm not voting for a party that takes Sarah Palin seriously.

You seriously think Democrats are pro-science? Democrats only love science when it gives them an opportunity for a big goverment power grab. Every solution the Democrats favor do nothing to solve the problem. Every one is a money and power grab

Like I said, Democrats have their own problems. Anti-intellectualism isn't one of them though.

None of these complaints are new. I appreciate your post, but it would seem the modern anti-vaccination movement kind of came from the Hollywood Left, which, in recent days, has been spun dramatically as the modern public's lack of science knowledge. It's been kind of comical to watch.

In addition, any party that was formed and shaped by a guy that said "I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University" is going to be a bit anti-intellectual in its later iterations. The branders themselves were lamenting the loss of their institutions to the left, or so it would seem. That anti-science and anti-intellectual charge has been issued by the left since at least McCarthy and HUAC, only in different iterations. See: "Republican, nihilism" and Andrew Sullivan and Julian Sanchez' "epistemic closure," etc.

That's the thing, though. There's no room for a William F. Buckley in the conservative movement any more. He wasn't anti-intellectual -- the quote you provided was directed at a leftist professoriate (deservedly), not against education in general. More importantly, Buckley was influential in running some of the nuts out of mainstream conservatism. I'd like to think that he would have panned a dingbat like Christine O'Donnell.

Yep. In a different vein, Barry Goldwater vocally attacked a lot of the modern republican party as well; it's no longer the principled party of limited government and personal freedom, which is why it's hard for so many swing voters to support them.

 

[dkp993]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

Really? Regardless of the opinion in the job he's done as president please don't ever compare a Columbia and Harvard Law graduate to a local news women who attended 4 different minor colleges and quit basically everything she's ever done (including being a Governor).

There has been no bigger embarrassment to modern politics then Sarah Palin. The fact that she is still supported by the R's show the state of the party.

 

[NutterButter]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

Really? Regardless of the opinion in the job he's done as president please don't ever compare a Columbia and Harvard Law graduate to a local news women who attended 4 different minor colleges and quit basically everything she's ever done (including being a Governor).

There has been no bigger embarrassment to modern politics then Sarah Palin. The fact that she is still supported by the R's show the state of the party.

Don't waste your time.

 

[dkp993]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

Really? Regardless of the opinion in the job he's done as president please don't ever compare a Columbia and Harvard Law graduate to a local news women who attended 4 different minor colleges and quit basically everything she's ever done (including being a Governor).

There has been no bigger embarrassment to modern politics then Sarah Palin. The fact that she is still supported by the R's show the state of the party.

Don't waste your time.

No doubt. Funny thing is, this isn't even an attempt to defend Obama or his presidency. But the sure lunacy of his statement compelled me to respond....

 

[NutterButter]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

Really? Regardless of the opinion in the job he's done as president please don't ever compare a Columbia and Harvard Law graduate to a local news women who attended 4 different minor colleges and quit basically everything she's ever done (including being a Governor).

There has been no bigger embarrassment to modern politics then Sarah Palin. The fact that she is still supported by the R's show the state of the party.

Don't waste your time.

No doubt. Funny thing is, this isn't even an attempt to defend Obama or his presidency. But the sure lunacy of his statement compelled me to respond....

He posts the same stuff all the time.

 

[Reaper]

Twice as many Democrats as Republicans believe in reincarnation and astrology.

Scientologists are 99.9% Democrats.

 

[bigbottom]

Twice as many Democrats as Republicans believe in reincarnation and astrology.

Scientologists are 99.9% Democrats.

I don't think this is true. Perhaps for famous Hollywood scientologists, but they are a tiny sliver of this group's representation. My understanding is that they run the gamut of the political spectrum but may skew a bit libertarian/conservative.

 

[TheAristocrat]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

Stop. You are a moron.

 

[rockaction]

I find it exasperating that the Republican party has somehow managed to firmly brand itself as the anti-science, anti-education party. The Democrats have their own problems too, but I'm not voting for a party that takes Sarah Palin seriously.

You seriously think Democrats are pro-science? Democrats only love science when it gives them an opportunity for a big goverment power grab. Every solution the Democrats favor do nothing to solve the problem. Every one is a money and power grab

Like I said, Democrats have their own problems. Anti-intellectualism isn't one of them though.

None of these complaints are new. I appreciate your post, but it would seem the modern anti-vaccination movement kind of came from the Hollywood Left, which, in recent days, has been spun dramatically as the modern public's lack of science knowledge. It's been kind of comical to watch.

In addition, any party that was formed and shaped by a guy that said "I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University" is going to be a bit anti-intellectual in its later iterations. The branders themselves were lamenting the loss of their institutions to the left, or so it would seem. That anti-science and anti-intellectual charge has been issued by the left since at least McCarthy and HUAC, only in different iterations. See: "Republican, nihilism" and Andrew Sullivan and Julian Sanchez' "epistemic closure," etc.

That's the thing, though. There's no room for a William F. Buckley in the conservative movement any more. He wasn't anti-intellectual -- the quote you provided was directed at a leftist professoriate (deservedly), not against education in general. More importantly, Buckley was influential in running some of the nuts out of mainstream conservatism. I'd like to think that he would have panned a dingbat like Christine O'Donnell.

Yep. In a different vein, Barry Goldwater vocally attacked a lot of the modern republican party as well; it's no longer the principled party of limited government and personal freedom, which is why it's hard for so many swing voters to support them.

I don't want to get into too big of a debate, but semantics and definitions play a role here. Anti-intellectualism=! anti-education. A lot of people on the right are surprisingly aware of Buckley and running out the Birchers.

As for njherdfan, most people do know about Goldwater and his dissent. That's about it. Thanks for the responses.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

You make a really good point here.

You and Eminence make quite a meeting of the minds here. You two also couldn't be more wrong.

 

[matuski]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

Just the opposite - most of us can't get enough Palin.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

Just the opposite - most of us can't get enough Palin.

Maybe, but I found the recent draft Palin movement by democrats distasteful at best.

 

[TPW]

I find it exasperating that the Republican party has somehow managed to firmly brand itself as the anti-science, anti-education party. The Democrats have their own problems too, but I'm not voting for a party that takes Sarah Palin seriously.

You seriously think Democrats are pro-science? Democrats only love science when it gives them an opportunity for a big goverment power grab. Every solution the Democrats favor do nothing to solve the problem. Every one is a money and power grab

Like I said, Democrats have their own problems. Anti-intellectualism isn't one of them though.

Pseudo-intellectualism is more like it. Generally the base and the media simply regurgitate whatever the quasi-Marxist academics and party members are spouting at the moment with little understanding as to the rationale of what is behind it; namely, the consolidation of power in their own hands.

Anybody who espouses nonsense such as open borders, a massive entitlement state, policies which encourage the disintegration of the nuclear family, the unlimited accumulation of debt, or carbon credit trading isn't half the intellectual they claim to be. They're statists with oversized egos and control issues. Other nations and empires have committed similar folly throughout history and the result is always the same, the destabilization and decline of their respective societies. The biggest folly of them all is that modern American secularist Democrats seriously believe that they are somehow different from those who came before them.

PS- Republicans are a joke.

 

[roadkill1292]

I find it exasperating that the Republican party has somehow managed to firmly brand itself as the anti-science, anti-education party. The Democrats have their own problems too, but I'm not voting for a party that takes Sarah Palin seriously.

You seriously think Democrats are pro-science? Democrats only love science when it gives them an opportunity for a big goverment power grab. Every solution the Democrats favor do nothing to solve the problem. Every one is a money and power grab

Like I said, Democrats have their own problems. Anti-intellectualism isn't one of them though.

Pseudo-intellectualism is more like it. Generally the base and the media simply regurgitate whatever the quasi-Marxist academics and party members are spouting at the moment with little understanding as to the rationale of what is behind it; namely, the consolidation of power in their own hands.

Anybody who espouses nonsense such as open borders, a massive entitlement state, policies which encourage the disintegration of the nuclear family, the unlimited accumulation of debt, or carbon credit trading isn't half the intellectual they claim to be. They're statists with oversized egos and control issues. Other nations and empires have committed similar folly throughout history and the result is always the same, the destabilization and decline of their respective societies. The biggest folly of them all is that modern American secularist Democrats seriously believe that they are somehow different from those who came before them.

PS- Republicans are a joke.

As someone with lengthy experience at not being taken seriously because of his political views, trust me when I say that no one will take this kind of insanity seriously.

 

[rct]

Like I said, Democrats have their own problems. Anti-intellectualism isn't one of them though.

Pseudo-intellectualism is more like it. Generally the base and the media simply regurgitate whatever the quasi-Marxist academics and party members are spouting at the moment with little understanding as to the rationale of what is behind it; namely, the consolidation of power in their own hands.

Anybody who espouses nonsense such as open borders, a massive entitlement state, policies which encourage the disintegration of the nuclear family, the unlimited accumulation of debt, or carbon credit trading isn't half the intellectual they claim to be. They're statists with oversized egos and control issues. Other nations and empires have committed similar folly throughout history and the result is always the same, the destabilization and decline of their respective societies. The biggest folly of them all is that modern American secularist Democrats seriously believe that they are somehow different from those who came before them.

No democrats are calling for open borders.

 

[TPW]

I find it exasperating that the Republican party has somehow managed to firmly brand itself as the anti-science, anti-education party. The Democrats have their own problems too, but I'm not voting for a party that takes Sarah Palin seriously.

You seriously think Democrats are pro-science? Democrats only love science when it gives them an opportunity for a big goverment power grab. Every solution the Democrats favor do nothing to solve the problem. Every one is a money and power grab

Like I said, Democrats have their own problems. Anti-intellectualism isn't one of them though.

Pseudo-intellectualism is more like it. Generally the base and the media simply regurgitate whatever the quasi-Marxist academics and party members are spouting at the moment with little understanding as to the rationale of what is behind it; namely, the consolidation of power in their own hands.

Anybody who espouses nonsense such as open borders, a massive entitlement state, policies which encourage the disintegration of the nuclear family, the unlimited accumulation of debt, or carbon credit trading isn't half the intellectual they claim to be. They're statists with oversized egos and control issues. Other nations and empires have committed similar folly throughout history and the result is always the same, the destabilization and decline of their respective societies. The biggest folly of them all is that modern American secularist Democrats seriously believe that they are somehow different from those who came before them.

PS- Republicans are a joke.

As someone with lengthy experience at not being taken seriously because of his political views, trust me when I say that no one will take this kind of insanity seriously.

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No democrats are calling for open borders.

You're right about that. They're too cowardly to come right out and tell the American public what they really want. Instead they just refuse to enforce existing immigration legislation, support amnesty for millions of illegals, and fight tooth and nail against voter identification laws. It benefits them politically to do so. The net result is an unstated, de facto open border policy. With millions of people crossing back and forth every year it's ludicrous to try and claim otherwise.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Democrats are a joke as well.

So is 911.

In your town maybe.

Damnit, out of likes.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

You make a really good point here.

You and Eminence make quite a meeting of the minds here. You two also couldn't be more wrong.

Says the guy who thinks members of the US military are women and child killers.

I'm not really a Sarah Palin defender, but voting for Obama pretty much limits how much you get to mock others.

 

[the moops]

Rand Paul!

In an interview with the network Monday, Paul said that vaccines are "a good thing" but that parents "should have some input" into whether or not their children must get them.

And he gave credence to the idea - disputed by the majority of the scientific community - that vaccination can lead to mental disabilities.

"I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," he said.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

You make a really good point here.

You and Eminence make quite a meeting of the minds here. You two also couldn't be more wrong.

Says the guy who thinks members of the US military are women and child killers.

I'm not really a Sarah Palin defender, but voting for Obama pretty much limits how much you get to mock others.

Are you a complete moron or do you just have trouble processing what you read? Nowhere did I say that about any members of the military.......Nowhere. If you care to prove me wrong, then please by all means show me the quote. I'll gladly concede and never post here again. I challenge you to do so. And while I know for a fact that's something I never said, let me ask you a question. Do you really think there has never been an American soldier who has ever murdered a woman or child in cold blood? While they may be fictitious in a sense, watch any Vietnam War movie. You're very naive and confused to think that our military is perfect. Yet in today's world you're looked down upon if you don't believe they are. It's just like DD talked about in the American Sniper thread, there a levels of patriotism people abide by. Some are radical and extreme. That what seems to be clouding your pea sized brain here. I don't have to agree with everything about our government and military to be a good patriot. Get your facts straight Jack!

 

[Todd Andrews]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

You make a really good point here.

You and Eminence make quite a meeting of the minds here. You two also couldn't be more wrong.

Says the guy who thinks members of the US military are women and child killers.

I'm not really a Sarah Palin defender, but voting for Obama pretty much limits how much you get to mock others.

:rofl:

Says the KooK who voted Bush/Bush/Palin/Romney in the last four elections.

 

[matuski]

Mike Huckabee and Palin aren't helping the Republicans.

People mock Palin but those same people voted for Obama twice, soooo, don't really care what you think

Just the opposite - most of us can't get enough Palin.

Maybe, but I found the recent draft Palin movement by democrats distasteful at best.

I am seriously interested in seeing her run.

I am not the one that ran her out there as a serious candidate. The Republicans factually put her on a Presidential ballot... now we are going to cry for mercy on grounds of taste? These people wanted her to be our Vice President... they lose any argument on grounds of taste or distaste.

They brought her awesomeness into my life, and I want more.

 

[roadkill1292]

I find it exasperating that the Republican party has somehow managed to firmly brand itself as the anti-science, anti-education party. The Democrats have their own problems too, but I'm not voting for a party that takes Sarah Palin seriously.

You seriously think Democrats are pro-science? Democrats only love science when it gives them an opportunity for a big goverment power grab. Every solution the Democrats favor do nothing to solve the problem. Every one is a money and power grab

Like I said, Democrats have their own problems. Anti-intellectualism isn't one of them though.

Pseudo-intellectualism is more like it. Generally the base and the media simply regurgitate whatever the quasi-Marxist academics and party members are spouting at the moment with little understanding as to the rationale of what is behind it; namely, the consolidation of power in their own hands.

Anybody who espouses nonsense such as open borders, a massive entitlement state, policies which encourage the disintegration of the nuclear family, the unlimited accumulation of debt, or carbon credit trading isn't half the intellectual they claim to be. They're statists with oversized egos and control issues. Other nations and empires have committed similar folly throughout history and the result is always the same, the destabilization and decline of their respective societies. The biggest folly of them all is that modern American secularist Democrats seriously believe that they are somehow different from those who came before them.

PS- Republicans are a joke.

As someone with lengthy experience at not being taken seriously because of his political views, trust me when I say that no one will take this kind of insanity seriously.

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No democrats are calling for open borders.

You're right about that. They're too cowardly to come right out and tell the American public what they really want. Instead they just refuse to enforce existing immigration legislation, support amnesty for millions of illegals, and fight tooth and nail against voter identification laws. It benefits them politically to do so. The net result is an unstated, de facto open border policy. With millions of people crossing back and forth every year it's ludicrous to try and claim otherwise.

Yes, believing that O is a marxist is the truth we're all unwilling to face.

 

[kface]

While I'm not particularly supportive of the title of this thread, this seemed the most appropriate place to put this

https://www.good.is/articles/texas-prevents-non-christian-adoption

Even though i consider myself strongly fiscally conservative, this is the reason i could never vote R as they stand now.  

On one hand, the argument they often make is that the government shouldn't be in the business of charity and other things because churches will make up that slack.  On the other hand churches move right into discrimination proving exactly why the government needs to be the controller of certain facets of society

 

[rockaction]

While I'm not particularly supportive of the title of this thread, this seemed the most appropriate place to put this

https://www.good.is/articles/texas-prevents-non-christian-adoption

Even though i consider myself strongly fiscally conservative, this is the reason i could never vote R as they stand now.  

On one hand, the argument they often make is that the government shouldn't be in the business of charity and other things because churches will make up that slack.  On the other hand churches move right into discrimination proving exactly why the government needs to be the controller of certain facets of society

The weird thing is that the movement to farming those functions out was started by communitarians both Dem and Rep. alike, like Amitai Etzioni and John DiIulio, Jr. out of Princeton. They're neoconservatives in the non-foreign policy sense.  

 

[tommyboy]

While I'm not particularly supportive of the title of this thread, this seemed the most appropriate place to put this

https://www.good.is/articles/texas-prevents-non-christian-adoption

Even though i consider myself strongly fiscally conservative, this is the reason i could never vote R as they stand now.  

On one hand, the argument they often make is that the government shouldn't be in the business of charity and other things because churches will make up that slack.  On the other hand churches move right into discrimination proving exactly why the government needs to be the controller of certain facets of society

that law won't last too long, wouldnt' worry about it.

 

[kface]

that law won't last too long, wouldnt' worry about it.

I worry about it because this is what the people that run our country want. It won't last long until they change the courts in their favor...

 

[jon_mx]

Shall I pm you my info now, tommyboy? You know as well as I do there's never going to be a bill that reaches Obama's desk that repeals Obamacare.

But maybe one that reaches Trump's desk.  

 

[joffer]

While I'm not particularly supportive of the title of this thread, this seemed the most appropriate place to put this

https://www.good.is/articles/texas-prevents-non-christian-adoption

Even though i consider myself strongly fiscally conservative, this is the reason i could never vote R as they stand now.  

On one hand, the argument they often make is that the government shouldn't be in the business of charity and other things because churches will make up that slack.  On the other hand churches move right into discrimination proving exactly why the government needs to be the controller of certain facets of society

Wtf is wrong with these people...