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Hey @ChiefD , was wondering if you had a moment to look at my issue? I have a amazing HVAC guy but I’m saving my calls to him for when it’s an emergency or when he installs my new units. This isn’t an emergency as the system works fine but I’m getting moisture buildup or something. Here are two pictures, one marked up and one clean.

Any idea why this water isn’t getting flushed out? The condensation line drips water but there’s still water inside.

It’s been a few years so my memory is hazy but I used to have to remove the bands from those 4” pvc exhaust/intake(?) to let water out.

Wtf is going on?
 
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Hey @ChiefD , was wondering if you had a moment to look at my issue? I have a amazing HVAC guy but I’m saving my calls to him for when it’s an emergency or when he installs my new units. This isn’t an emergency as the system works fine but I’m getting moisture buildup or something. Here are two pictures, one marked up and one clean.

Any idea why this water isn’t getting flushed out? The condensation line drips water but there’s still water inside.

It’s been a few years so my memory is hazy but I used to have to remove the bands from those 4” pvc exhaust/intake(?) to let water out.

Wtf is going on?
Clog in the line? Pour vinegar in it and flush with a lot of warm water.
 
Hey @ChiefD , was wondering if you had a moment to look at my issue? I have a amazing HVAC guy but I’m saving my calls to him for when it’s an emergency or when he installs my new units. This isn’t an emergency as the system works fine but I’m getting moisture buildup or something. Here are two pictures, one marked up and one clean.

Any idea why this water isn’t getting flushed out? The condensation line drips water but there’s still water inside.

It’s been a few years so my memory is hazy but I used to have to remove the bands from those 4” pvc exhaust/intake(?) to let water out.

Wtf is going on?
Those larger PVC pipes are for exhaust and intake. You shouldn't ever have to remove those to get water out.

Are you getting drips and some of those red arrow locations?
 
Hey @ChiefD , was wondering if you had a moment to look at my issue? I have a amazing HVAC guy but I’m saving my calls to him for when it’s an emergency or when he installs my new units. This isn’t an emergency as the system works fine but I’m getting moisture buildup or something. Here are two pictures, one marked up and one clean.

Any idea why this water isn’t getting flushed out? The condensation line drips water but there’s still water inside.

It’s been a few years so my memory is hazy but I used to have to remove the bands from those 4” pvc exhaust/intake(?) to let water out.

Wtf is going on?
Those larger PVC pipes are for exhaust and intake. You shouldn't ever have to remove those to get water out.

Are you getting drips and some of those red arrow locations?
The screws are rusted and there are rust stains below them
 
Hey @ChiefD , was wondering if you had a moment to look at my issue? I have a amazing HVAC guy but I’m saving my calls to him for when it’s an emergency or when he installs my new units. This isn’t an emergency as the system works fine but I’m getting moisture buildup or something. Here are two pictures, one marked up and one clean.

Any idea why this water isn’t getting flushed out? The condensation line drips water but there’s still water inside.

It’s been a few years so my memory is hazy but I used to have to remove the bands from those 4” pvc exhaust/intake(?) to let water out.

Wtf is going on?
Clog in the line? Pour vinegar in it and flush with a lot of warm water.

No I know all about those but that’s not this issue. Water flows freely in the condensation lines. It’s more like water is getting into the intake.

ETA - Hmmm, you might be right. I didn’t even notice the upper condensation line and assumed since water was dripping that it was free but it could be clogged. I’ll cut it and install a removable piece since whomever put this in glued it all.

I’ve always wondered this but the flue exhaust that exits the roof of the house, how does water not get in there when it rains? Is there some type of back flow preventer?
 
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Hey @ChiefD , was wondering if you had a moment to look at my issue? I have a amazing HVAC guy but I’m saving my calls to him for when it’s an emergency or when he installs my new units. This isn’t an emergency as the system works fine but I’m getting moisture buildup or something. Here are two pictures, one marked up and one clean.

Any idea why this water isn’t getting flushed out? The condensation line drips water but there’s still water inside.

It’s been a few years so my memory is hazy but I used to have to remove the bands from those 4” pvc exhaust/intake(?) to let water out.

Wtf is going on?
Clog in the line? Pour vinegar in it and flush with a lot of warm water.

No I know all about those but that’s not this issue. Water flows freely in the condensation lines. It’s more like water is getting into the intake.

ETA - Hmmm, you might be right. I didn’t even notice the upper condensation line and assumed since water was dripping that it was free but it could be clogged. I’ll cut it and install a removable piece since who we r put this in glued it all.

I’ve always wondered this but the flue exhaust that exits the roof of the house, how does water not get in there when it rains? Is there some type of back flow preventer?
No idea
 
Hey @ChiefD , was wondering if you had a moment to look at my issue? I have a amazing HVAC guy but I’m saving my calls to him for when it’s an emergency or when he installs my new units. This isn’t an emergency as the system works fine but I’m getting moisture buildup or something. Here are two pictures, one marked up and one clean.

Any idea why this water isn’t getting flushed out? The condensation line drips water but there’s still water inside.

It’s been a few years so my memory is hazy but I used to have to remove the bands from those 4” pvc exhaust/intake(?) to let water out.

Wtf is going on?
Clog in the line? Pour vinegar in it and flush with a lot of warm water.

No I know all about those but that’s not this issue. Water flows freely in the condensation lines. It’s more like water is getting into the intake.

ETA - Hmmm, you might be right. I didn’t even notice the upper condensation line and assumed since water was dripping that it was free but it could be clogged. I’ll cut it and install a removable piece since who we r put this in glued it all.

I’ve always wondered this but the flue exhaust that exits the roof of the house, how does water not get in there when it rains? Is there some type of back flow preventer?
No idea
I edited my post, you may still be right.
 
Take a pic of the outside of the unit where your condensate drains are.

(that's what she said)


Furnace pics (fixed link)
So that lower PVC pipe is your furnace condensate line. The upper one is for air conditioning.

It looks to me like you probably have enough play in the PVC to pull that thinner one out of the larger PVC. Once you do that do as @Osaurus suggested and run some hot water and vinegar in there. You can also use bleach.
 
Hey @ChiefD , was wondering if you had a moment to look at my issue? I have a amazing HVAC guy but I’m saving my calls to him for when it’s an emergency or when he installs my new units. This isn’t an emergency as the system works fine but I’m getting moisture buildup or something. Here are two pictures, one marked up and one clean.

Any idea why this water isn’t getting flushed out? The condensation line drips water but there’s still water inside.

It’s been a few years so my memory is hazy but I used to have to remove the bands from those 4” pvc exhaust/intake(?) to let water out.

Wtf is going on?
When are you having new ones installed?
 
Hey @ChiefD , was wondering if you had a moment to look at my issue? I have a amazing HVAC guy but I’m saving my calls to him for when it’s an emergency or when he installs my new units. This isn’t an emergency as the system works fine but I’m getting moisture buildup or something. Here are two pictures, one marked up and one clean.

Any idea why this water isn’t getting flushed out? The condensation line drips water but there’s still water inside.

It’s been a few years so my memory is hazy but I used to have to remove the bands from those 4” pvc exhaust/intake(?) to let water out.

Wtf is going on?
When are you having new ones installed?

When these break down.

Zone 1 2001 gas furnace and 2001 A/C located in the basement.
This covers the whole house except the sunroom.

Zone 2 air handler in the attic, A/C only. 1995 model.
This adds A/C to the entire second floor and sunroom.

The agreement we have is I will buy all the systems and remove the exiting units and he will install. He won’t even charge me, I’ll obviously tip him extremely well.
 
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I didn't realize we had our very own HVAC resource @ChiefD !

Would you mind giving me an opinion on a quote we got for replacing our two-zone heating and cooling system?

The system is almost 20 years old and has been showing its age with some issues popping up so we're looking at replacing everything. I'm getting a few companies to quote but the company working through Costco's Lennox HVAC partnership was the first to come out and quote a new system. (Those Costco discounts add up but will be interesting to see how the final price compares to others)

Here's the Quote

Would be interested to get your thoughts if you have some time to take a look, thanks!
 
I didn't realize we had our very own HVAC resource @ChiefD !

Would you mind giving me an opinion on a quote we got for replacing our two-zone heating and cooling system?

The system is almost 20 years old and has been showing its age with some issues popping up so we're looking at replacing everything. I'm getting a few companies to quote but the company working through Costco's Lennox HVAC partnership was the first to come out and quote a new system. (Those Costco discounts add up but will be interesting to see how the final price compares to others)

Here's the Quote

Would be interested to get your thoughts if you have some time to take a look, thanks!
Honestly, for the equipment that you getting that is a pretty fair price. Even before they discount all the discounts that price is in line with what that job "should" cost. So your final number after all the rebates and credits and such is good. So you are not getting taken to the cleaners here. And that is really nice equipment.

There are just a couple of potential things to look out for later:

1. Lennox has had issues with evaporator coils the last few years. So that may be something that pops up for you in the next few years. They develop leaks, and I've seen systems from 2-5 years of age have a leak in the indoor coil. So while the part will be under warranty, you will have to pay labor, which could equal around $1000. Just an FYI. Supposedly they have the issue figured out so we won't know for a year or two but something to be aware of.

2. There are a few parts on those furnaces that after the 10 year parts warranty expires that will be REALLY expensive to replace. That variable speed motor, when it goes down, is about a $1300 - $1500 repair. Versus say $700 for a normal blower motor. They also have two stage gas valves, which cost a little more to repair than a normal gas valve. Now, it's not like these fail on a regular basis - they don't. But with TWO furnaces, you just increase your odds that one of the two will need repairs at some point. But for 10 years your parts are covered anyway. Just make sure the installing company or you registers the equipment with Lennox. If they don't that warranty reverts to a 5 year warranty and I can promise you that you have no recourse if someone doesn't register it. Lennox won't retroactively honor that warranty.

Otherwise, that's good stuff at a fair price. I'd feel comfortable installing that at that cost.
 
I didn't realize we had our very own HVAC resource @ChiefD !

Would you mind giving me an opinion on a quote we got for replacing our two-zone heating and cooling system?

The system is almost 20 years old and has been showing its age with some issues popping up so we're looking at replacing everything. I'm getting a few companies to quote but the company working through Costco's Lennox HVAC partnership was the first to come out and quote a new system. (Those Costco discounts add up but will be interesting to see how the final price compares to others)

Here's the Quote

Would be interested to get your thoughts if you have some time to take a look, thanks!
Honestly, for the equipment that you getting that is a pretty fair price. Even before they discount all the discounts that price is in line with what that job "should" cost. So your final number after all the rebates and credits and such is good. So you are not getting taken to the cleaners here. And that is really nice equipment.

There are just a couple of potential things to look out for later:

1. Lennox has had issues with evaporator coils the last few years. So that may be something that pops up for you in the next few years. They develop leaks, and I've seen systems from 2-5 years of age have a leak in the indoor coil. So while the part will be under warranty, you will have to pay labor, which could equal around $1000. Just an FYI. Supposedly they have the issue figured out so we won't know for a year or two but something to be aware of.

2. There are a few parts on those furnaces that after the 10 year parts warranty expires that will be REALLY expensive to replace. That variable speed motor, when it goes down, is about a $1300 - $1500 repair. Versus say $700 for a normal blower motor. They also have two stage gas valves, which cost a little more to repair than a normal gas valve. Now, it's not like these fail on a regular basis - they don't. But with TWO furnaces, you just increase your odds that one of the two will need repairs at some point. But for 10 years your parts are covered anyway. Just make sure the installing company or you registers the equipment with Lennox. If they don't that warranty reverts to a 5 year warranty and I can promise you that you have no recourse if someone doesn't register it. Lennox won't retroactively honor that warranty.

Otherwise, that's good stuff at a fair price. I'd feel comfortable installing that at that cost.
Thanks ChiefD! I really appreciate it!
 
I didn't realize we had our very own HVAC resource @ChiefD !

Would you mind giving me an opinion on a quote we got for replacing our two-zone heating and cooling system?

The system is almost 20 years old and has been showing its age with some issues popping up so we're looking at replacing everything. I'm getting a few companies to quote but the company working through Costco's Lennox HVAC partnership was the first to come out and quote a new system. (Those Costco discounts add up but will be interesting to see how the final price compares to others)

Here's the Quote

Would be interested to get your thoughts if you have some time to take a look, thanks!
Honestly, for the equipment that you getting that is a pretty fair price. Even before they discount all the discounts that price is in line with what that job "should" cost. So your final number after all the rebates and credits and such is good. So you are not getting taken to the cleaners here. And that is really nice equipment.

There are just a couple of potential things to look out for later:

1. Lennox has had issues with evaporator coils the last few years. So that may be something that pops up for you in the next few years. They develop leaks, and I've seen systems from 2-5 years of age have a leak in the indoor coil. So while the part will be under warranty, you will have to pay labor, which could equal around $1000. Just an FYI. Supposedly they have the issue figured out so we won't know for a year or two but something to be aware of.

2. There are a few parts on those furnaces that after the 10 year parts warranty expires that will be REALLY expensive to replace. That variable speed motor, when it goes down, is about a $1300 - $1500 repair. Versus say $700 for a normal blower motor. They also have two stage gas valves, which cost a little more to repair than a normal gas valve. Now, it's not like these fail on a regular basis - they don't. But with TWO furnaces, you just increase your odds that one of the two will need repairs at some point. But for 10 years your parts are covered anyway. Just make sure the installing company or you registers the equipment with Lennox. If they don't that warranty reverts to a 5 year warranty and I can promise you that you have no recourse if someone doesn't register it. Lennox won't retroactively honor that warranty.

Otherwise, that's good stuff at a fair price. I'd feel comfortable installing that at that cost.
Hey @ChiefD thanks again and if you're still around before the holiday was hoping you might have a few minutes to check out this second quote we just received to see if you have any thoughts or a preference. Both companies are asking for a commitment in the next day or so before prices go up due to some new standards in the new year. The new company gave me separate quotes with multiple options for the first floor system and second floor system:

First floor options
Second floor options

First floor options range from around $9,500 (York) to $13,750 (American Standard)
Second floor options range from around $8,200 (York) to $12,600 (American Standard)

Previous quote

Their quote for both floors was basically $18,600 for full system (Lennox)
(Unprompted the second company said they stopped selling Lennox due to Lennox's lack of support for their installations that had the coil issue you mentioned above including part availability and counting equipment failures as warranty issues for multiple repairs rather than replacing systems with continuing problems)

Anything stand out among the Lennox, York, American standard options?
Which one do you think would be best? We're willing to pay more for better performance.

Thanks again and Happy Holidays!
 
I think we're leaning toward the Lennox system. Looking around online people don't seem to think much of York and not sure the American Standard is worth the ~$5,000 increase. Only thing that's still concerning a bit is that this Lennox Merit line is manufactured in Mexico.
 
I didn't realize we had our very own HVAC resource @ChiefD !

Would you mind giving me an opinion on a quote we got for replacing our two-zone heating and cooling system?

The system is almost 20 years old and has been showing its age with some issues popping up so we're looking at replacing everything. I'm getting a few companies to quote but the company working through Costco's Lennox HVAC partnership was the first to come out and quote a new system. (Those Costco discounts add up but will be interesting to see how the final price compares to others)

Here's the Quote

Would be interested to get your thoughts if you have some time to take a look, thanks!
Honestly, for the equipment that you getting that is a pretty fair price. Even before they discount all the discounts that price is in line with what that job "should" cost. So your final number after all the rebates and credits and such is good. So you are not getting taken to the cleaners here. And that is really nice equipment.

There are just a couple of potential things to look out for later:

1. Lennox has had issues with evaporator coils the last few years. So that may be something that pops up for you in the next few years. They develop leaks, and I've seen systems from 2-5 years of age have a leak in the indoor coil. So while the part will be under warranty, you will have to pay labor, which could equal around $1000. Just an FYI. Supposedly they have the issue figured out so we won't know for a year or two but something to be aware of.

2. There are a few parts on those furnaces that after the 10 year parts warranty expires that will be REALLY expensive to replace. That variable speed motor, when it goes down, is about a $1300 - $1500 repair. Versus say $700 for a normal blower motor. They also have two stage gas valves, which cost a little more to repair than a normal gas valve. Now, it's not like these fail on a regular basis - they don't. But with TWO furnaces, you just increase your odds that one of the two will need repairs at some point. But for 10 years your parts are covered anyway. Just make sure the installing company or you registers the equipment with Lennox. If they don't that warranty reverts to a 5 year warranty and I can promise you that you have no recourse if someone doesn't register it. Lennox won't retroactively honor that warranty.

Otherwise, that's good stuff at a fair price. I'd feel comfortable installing that at that cost.
Hey @ChiefD thanks again and if you're still around before the holiday was hoping you might have a few minutes to check out this second quote we just received to see if you have any thoughts or a preference. Both companies are asking for a commitment in the next day or so before prices go up due to some new standards in the new year. The new company gave me separate quotes with multiple options for the first floor system and second floor system:

First floor options
Second floor options

First floor options range from around $9,500 (York) to $13,750 (American Standard)
Second floor options range from around $8,200 (York) to $12,600 (American Standard)

Previous quote

Their quote for both floors was basically $18,600 for full system (Lennox)
(Unprompted the second company said they stopped selling Lennox due to Lennox's lack of support for their installations that had the coil issue you mentioned above including part availability and counting equipment failures as warranty issues for multiple repairs rather than replacing systems with continuing problems)

Anything stand out among the Lennox, York, American standard options?
Which one do you think would be best? We're willing to pay more for better performance.

Thanks again and Happy Holidays!
I would not choose York. They have a great warranty but their stuff breaks more than any brand we come across.

Lennox has pissed me off today. It's literally the coldest day of the year across all of the country and a holiday weekend. And they closed all their parts branches today and Monday for the holiday. Monday I understand, but not today when every service company in the US is running their asses off trying to get people's heat on for the weekend. Just so stupid and they are really screwing a lot of people today.

Negative temps in KC today and they pull this? Unbelievable.

As far as American Standard, that's good stuff. They make good quality equipment. I don't have time today to break down the equipment on those quotes - phone is ringing off the hook as you can imagine. But I would lean toward them. The pricing in those scenarios seem a touch high to me, but not completely out of bounds.

And I would definitely try and make a decision this next week. We've already heard from Carrier that we will see a double digit price increase after Jan 1, so I guarantee all the other manufacturers will do the same.

I will try this weekend and look a little close at that equipment to see what makes the most sense.
 
And I would definitely try and make a decision this next week. We've already heard from Carrier that we will see a double digit price increase after Jan 1, so I guarantee all the other manufacturers will do the same.
Just following up to close the loop here and let you know that we did make a decision and got the order in before the end of the year.

We ended up going with an updated quote from Lennox / Costco via their local installer for a few reasons. One, the local HVAC company quoting the system was much more responsive and had quick and good answers for all my questions. They also had slightly higher ratings and reviews than the other company which seems to back up the feeling I get from my personal dealings with each so far.

We also upgraded from the Lennox Merit line to the Elite line for all of the equipment:
Heaters: EL296V x2 (Two stage / variable speed)
Main A/C: EL18XCVS (4 ton, variable)
2nd Floor A/C: EL16XC1 (2.5 ton, single stage)

Initial Payment to Costco: $24,301
Costco Promotions (payback via shop card or member rebates): $3,402
Projected Utility Rebates: $1,400
Net Final Cost: $19,499

Also includes:
Full new system installation
Permits
New powered humidifier
New Ecobee thermostats
10 Year Parts / 5 Year Extended Labor Warranty
Full system duct cleaning / sanitizing (including dryer vent)

I played the companies off each other a bit and pushed it about as far as I could on pricing and free inclusions and I'm pretty happy with the final deal and replacing everything for under $20k.

By the way @ChiefD, I mentioned your 12/23 problems with Lennox to the sales rep and she's had a different experience here in PA. She said their two main Lennox warehouses are both about 45 mins away from their home office and were both open until 5pm on 12/23. She was the company service manager for 4 years before this and said her experience with them has been great. She did say that may be because of the relationship / contract with Costco and that it's the biggest one Lennox has.
 
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I think you did pretty good with those systems. That is pretty nice equipment and to get both full systems done for basically under 20K is a fair price.

Looks like you did well. :thumbup:
 

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