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Retired Cop Kills Man for Texting (2 Viewers)
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
He didn't look all that large in his photos... I'm a very large person, does that give someone the right to shoot me if we get into an argument?
He left and came back, where did he go? I assume to get his gun... Hopefully they upgrade to 1st degree if that's the case.
krista4
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krista4
Footballguy
Yep. One thing I wondered was why second-degree instead of first. Generally "premeditation" can be shown as even just seconds long.
Statorama
Footballguy
I think there's a lot of pent up aggression in our society these days. Mentally, there's a part of our collective psyche that wants our own Death Wish 'victory' over those that have harmed us in some way. In a passive voice, this kind of schtick allows the poster to fulfill his revenge fantasy.
Nah.
Ultimately, people deal with tragedy in their own way. Some deflect it with humor, others deflect it with horror. It's all a way to avoid really addressing the pain that happened today. The way that people avoid the mental horror of the situation is another topic altogether.
timschochet
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill said:
This is the real issue worth discussing, and nobody has responded to it yet.
Concealed Carry is legal because, the argument goes, it makes people safer. But it does NOT make people safer. It makes these types of incidents much more likely. If this man was not allowed to carry a gun into the movie theater, the chances are that when he lost his temper, he would have swung his fist. And that would have been the end to it, and there would be one more person alive today.
T Bell
Footballguy
I want to manufacture a handgun that I'll call Jesus, just so that it's users can say, "Jesus loves you" right before they blow them away.
krista4
Footballguy
Good points. A bit deeper than I think some of it goes; some people are just trying to act "cool" on the internet, god knows why.
Isn't there a big ol' thread for this?BigSteelThrill said:
This is the real issue worth discussing, and nobody has responded to it yet.
Concealed Carry is legal because, the argument goes, it makes people safer. But it does NOT make people safer. It makes these types of incidents much more likely. If this man was not allowed to carry a gun into the movie theater, the chances are that when he lost his temper, he would have swung his fist. And that would have been the end to it, and there would be one more person alive today.
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Statorama
Footballguy
The danger a defendant feels is one of the things a jury has to consider when coming to a verdict.
timschochet
Footballguy
Yes. And I'm sorry. But these stories aren't just tragic, they piss me off. This isn't shtick. Somebody died today because, YET AGAIN, an idiot with a gun lost his temper.Good points.
Isn't there a big ol' thread for this?BigSteelThrill said:
This is the real issue worth discussing, and nobody has responded to it yet.
Concealed Carry is legal because, the argument goes, it makes people safer. But it does NOT make people safer. It makes these types of incidents much more likely. If this man was not allowed to carry a gun into the movie theater, the chances are that when he lost his temper, he would have swung his fist. And that would have been the end to it, and there would be one more person alive today.
End of rant.
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
The article says he left and came back so we don't know if he was carrying a concealed weapon when he first came into the theater.BigSteelThrill said:
Concealed Carry is legal because, the argument goes, it makes people safer. But it does NOT make people safer. It makes these types of incidents much more likely. If this man was not allowed to carry a gun into the movie theater, the chances are that when he lost his temper, he would have swung his fist. And that would have been the end to it, and there would be one more person alive today.
There's a lot of big ol' threads for this. Which is a part of what makes the cell phone annoyance issue the more interesting part of the story for me personally. Otherwise it's just another gun control thread.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
How is that interesting? How does that make it any different from any other "he was disrespec'in' me" situation with a gun? I don't see why it needs to be a gun control thread, but maybe it's just that I don't know why it's anything other than a "that's a tragedy" thread at all.
ETA to delete unnecessary words.
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Because I find texting mostly annoying, as I've stated. I wouldn't have clicked on the thread if he was killed for "disrespec'in me".
Statorama
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
Only movies I go to are kids movies anymore. People tend to be on better behavior when children are around, but I guess 3 year olds have cell phone plans now so that might be going downhill pretty quick as well.
Dr Oadi
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He is a retired cop. Cops are special and do not have to follow the same rules as the common people. If commoners were not allowed to carry this guy still would be. So can it with the bs.BigSteelThrill said:
Concealed Carry is legal because, the argument goes, it makes people safer. But it does NOT make people safer. It makes these types of incidents much more likely. If this man was not allowed to carry a gun into the movie theater, the chances are that when he lost his temper, he would have swung his fist. And that would have been the end to it, and there would be one more person alive today.
El Floppo
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El Floppo
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Limp Ditka
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Limp Ditka
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BigSteelThrill
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Nah, I/we disarm people almost every weekend. (Not physically - but through search and instruction)He is a retired cop. Cops are special and do not have to follow the same rules as the common people. If commoners were not allowed to carry this guy still would be. So can it with the bs.BigSteelThrill said:
Concealed Carry is legal because, the argument goes, it makes people safer. But it does NOT make people safer. It makes these types of incidents much more likely. If this man was not allowed to carry a gun into the movie theater, the chances are that when he lost his temper, he would have swung his fist. And that would have been the end to it, and there would be one more person alive today.
And the attitudes of people when they are carrying and when they are not are two different worlds entirely.
*edit to add "we".
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Limp Ditka
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sweeney alias?He is a retired cop. Cops are special and do not have to follow the same rules as the common people. If commoners were not allowed to carry this guy still would be. So can it with the bs.BigSteelThrill said:
Concealed Carry is legal because, the argument goes, it makes people safer. But it does NOT make people safer. It makes these types of incidents much more likely. If this man was not allowed to carry a gun into the movie theater, the chances are that when he lost his temper, he would have swung his fist. And that would have been the end to it, and there would be one more person alive today.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Weak D. 4th period tired move. Step in and take the charge like you mean it. "None of this hand waving - reach in bull ####."
fatness
Footballguy
T Bell
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Pull a gun in a movie theater? Who in their right mind would do such a thing? All he had to do was knock the phone out of the guy's hand, that always ends the problem because the texter is not gonna run and get the manager to tell him he was breaking the house rules about being on the phone.
1. So sad as Premier pointed out on page 1, no matter what there is a beautiful little girl who is going to grow up without her daddy and the story she is going to learn as she gets older is gonna be quite disturbing. I cannot imagine someone telling me that my father was gunned down at a movie theater for trying to text me a message, hopefully no one ever tells her the exact details but I am afraid someone else will print this story off the internet at a later date and show her. It's not gonna be a pretty picture and truly that is the biggest mess in all of this.
2. A wife trying to stop a bullet but it went thru her hand into her husband' chest…she truly tried to take a bullet for her husband, that woman tried to save him. I always would hope I could jump in front of a bullet for a loved one, it's easy to say but this woman was trying and I can't imagine what she is feeling tonight/today. The husband is dead, daughter won't understand any of this, the poor wife has to live the rest of her life with the memory of a bullet passing thru her hand trying to save her husband.
3. There is something disturbing about Central Florida when this kind of thing happens and according to the news reports you all have linked, the local police there actually were trying to see if the "Stand Your Ground" Law applies to this situation…Seriously? Maybe some lawyers can explain that but on second thought I don't want to know, it seems pretty awful that this thought even enters the police minds. One guy was armed with a gun, the other was armed with a small popcorn. Stand Your Ground?
I go to the movies a lot, from time to time I might have a run in, the tuna thing happened once and nothing I have ever experienced in a theater has rivaled it since. I would like for folks to not play their cell phones and other gadgets but I also know there is only so much I can do. Guy had the right idea getting a theater manager, he returned with a gun instead. I wonder if he went outside and got it out of his car. I believe he(killer) thinks he is right and I also think he was the one who told these police that he was standing his ground and maybe that's why they acted on it but realized quickly that was not the case at all here.
Also we need to understand this is the law of large numbers in terms of population and people, not the scientific experiments in the lab. You got something like 350 million+ people here, many of them own hand guns and other weapons that can end a life real quick. I'm not pro gun or anti-gun although my wife and I prefer not to own one but we are not against other law abiding citizens owning them. But back to large numbers, there are gonna be things that simply defy logic and we wish would not happen but with so many people it's gonna happen. Movies are roughly an $11 BILLION industry and that's just in America so assume a $10 ticket and you have roughly 1.1 billion tickets sold yearly in this country, how often does this really happen? I imagine this is still one of the safest activities you can do.
My fear is these kind of events start politicians making up unnecessary laws that only punish or infringe upon the law abiding folks. Now in this situation we have an ex-cop but he retired at 51, he's now 71, that's not the same person any more and I also don't like to use 1 example as the norm for everyone.
I haven't once vented about the text messages and phone use here because the whole situation could be alleviated by the theater and have something that causes cell phones to not pick up service in movie theaters. If it means a few folks stay home because they can't access their phones in a movie theater than so be it. I hate that folks feel they have some born right to communicate on cell phones. I am part of that last generation that didn't have cell phones as small children, then watched phones the size of a papaya being used, then so on and so forth to what we have now…folks survived just fine for generations in movie theaters with no phones to connect to the outside world.
That said I do not excuse this no good ex-cop SOB for destroying a little girl's life today, destroying another woman's life, and then taking a life int he process as well. I hope he has that fact drilled into his head down at the booking station because this guy needs to know he is now the low life scum that he put away in jail for so many years. He hasn't enough years left to give to the system to make up for what he did.
The whole story is sad.
1. So sad as Premier pointed out on page 1, no matter what there is a beautiful little girl who is going to grow up without her daddy and the story she is going to learn as she gets older is gonna be quite disturbing. I cannot imagine someone telling me that my father was gunned down at a movie theater for trying to text me a message, hopefully no one ever tells her the exact details but I am afraid someone else will print this story off the internet at a later date and show her. It's not gonna be a pretty picture and truly that is the biggest mess in all of this.
2. A wife trying to stop a bullet but it went thru her hand into her husband' chest…she truly tried to take a bullet for her husband, that woman tried to save him. I always would hope I could jump in front of a bullet for a loved one, it's easy to say but this woman was trying and I can't imagine what she is feeling tonight/today. The husband is dead, daughter won't understand any of this, the poor wife has to live the rest of her life with the memory of a bullet passing thru her hand trying to save her husband.
3. There is something disturbing about Central Florida when this kind of thing happens and according to the news reports you all have linked, the local police there actually were trying to see if the "Stand Your Ground" Law applies to this situation…Seriously? Maybe some lawyers can explain that but on second thought I don't want to know, it seems pretty awful that this thought even enters the police minds. One guy was armed with a gun, the other was armed with a small popcorn. Stand Your Ground?
I go to the movies a lot, from time to time I might have a run in, the tuna thing happened once and nothing I have ever experienced in a theater has rivaled it since. I would like for folks to not play their cell phones and other gadgets but I also know there is only so much I can do. Guy had the right idea getting a theater manager, he returned with a gun instead. I wonder if he went outside and got it out of his car. I believe he(killer) thinks he is right and I also think he was the one who told these police that he was standing his ground and maybe that's why they acted on it but realized quickly that was not the case at all here.
Also we need to understand this is the law of large numbers in terms of population and people, not the scientific experiments in the lab. You got something like 350 million+ people here, many of them own hand guns and other weapons that can end a life real quick. I'm not pro gun or anti-gun although my wife and I prefer not to own one but we are not against other law abiding citizens owning them. But back to large numbers, there are gonna be things that simply defy logic and we wish would not happen but with so many people it's gonna happen. Movies are roughly an $11 BILLION industry and that's just in America so assume a $10 ticket and you have roughly 1.1 billion tickets sold yearly in this country, how often does this really happen? I imagine this is still one of the safest activities you can do.
My fear is these kind of events start politicians making up unnecessary laws that only punish or infringe upon the law abiding folks. Now in this situation we have an ex-cop but he retired at 51, he's now 71, that's not the same person any more and I also don't like to use 1 example as the norm for everyone.
I haven't once vented about the text messages and phone use here because the whole situation could be alleviated by the theater and have something that causes cell phones to not pick up service in movie theaters. If it means a few folks stay home because they can't access their phones in a movie theater than so be it. I hate that folks feel they have some born right to communicate on cell phones. I am part of that last generation that didn't have cell phones as small children, then watched phones the size of a papaya being used, then so on and so forth to what we have now…folks survived just fine for generations in movie theaters with no phones to connect to the outside world.
That said I do not excuse this no good ex-cop SOB for destroying a little girl's life today, destroying another woman's life, and then taking a life int he process as well. I hope he has that fact drilled into his head down at the booking station because this guy needs to know he is now the low life scum that he put away in jail for so many years. He hasn't enough years left to give to the system to make up for what he did.
The whole story is sad.
T Bell
Footballguy
Raider Nation
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Joe Summer
Footballguy
MOP with the most level-headed post in this thread. Mind = blown.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
speaking of insane.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Great post MOP,
You took the words out of my mouth, except for maybe the sidebar into the whole "stand your ground" policy. You kinda veered off topic, but that's ok, it's what you do, it's good.
I just wanted to add, I was thinking the same exact thing about the little girl, looking at that picture that shows up in the facebook profile safely in her daddy's arms. She's going to feel guilty about receiving that text that ended her daddy's life. She'll never know her daddy, or what he was to be in her life. That's an enormous hole and it can't be filled with anything. And for her to feel like she was a cause of that even partially has to be a huge weight on her shoulders. She's so innocent and her whole life ahead of her and no daddy to protect her and love her, and only guilt and pain the next day, asking her mom, "where's daddy?, mommy, where daddy go?"
There's a whole lot of people in here that revel in schtick and trying so hard to out-funny each other in here, really need to ask yourself if there is any humor at all to be found? This is a tragedy, and no sense can be made from it, or comfort in jokes, or meaning in dry quipping about it. Awful :(
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Or, you know, read the first page and realized a FBG knows the family very well? And that you're advocating the murder of the husband of a fellow FBG's coworker?
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I'm rarely sensitive liberal killjoy, and I get that normally this is funny. Just not sure it's funny in response to the guy who's close coworker was just shot and who's husband was shot/killed.
Quez
Footballguy
A friend of the guy who got killed called into the radio this am and said that his friend was the type of guy who would argue back & not take crap. So he was probably in a pretty heated argument with the old guy. I think the ex-cop might try and say the guy was coming at him & he felt threatened. And the wife was trying to hold him back with her hand on his chest. Either way the old guy is in the wrong here imo. If he was a police captain in Tampa during the 80's odds are he was a dirty cop anyways.
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Witz
Footballguy
irish eyes
Footballguy
There should be a way to detach the state of florida from the US and let it drift away & be its own island. Nothing but a bunch of nut bags and degenerates living there.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I love that sometimes this place can make some messed up stories seem funny and keep it lighthearted and not take it too seriously. I also like that it has a take care of its own mentality. This should be one of the latter as soon as a FBG comes in and says he knows the family. Anything prior can be, and should be excused. Anything after is a no-go.I'm rarely sensitive liberal killjoy, and I get that normally this is funny. Just not sure it's funny in response to the guy who's close coworker was just shot and who's husband was shot/killed.
This is a pretty crappy situation and I hope the mother and child can move on somehow.
