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RGIII Dynasty Value: Top 3 (1 Viewer)

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RG3 is a top 3 dynasty QB, today, and you need to act now, if it's not too late.

The traditional QB numbers are coming back down to earth, and now, the points that guys like Cam/RG3 score on the ground will be even more appreciated.

Like the Newton talk this time last year, it is very early in the process. But RG3 has aced every test to this point and his coaching staff is using him beautifully. Initial reaction to NFL competition is a big indicator of future success; RG3 belongs, and, just as importantly, he knows it.

Rodgers, Newton, and RG3 are on a tier of their own. Rodgers is the safest, RG3 has the highest upside, and Cam is right in the middle: safer, more proven, bigger and stronger than RG3, significantly less proven than Rodgers, less natural passing touch than both. In 4pt passing leagues, I think Cam and RG3 are the top 2 options, and on a tier of their own, even. In 6 pt leagues, Rodgers is every bit as valuable as the other 2, just in different ways.

Deals I would look to make:

Stafford for RG3

Brees + 1st for RG3

Brady + 1st + for RG3.

Rodgers for RG3+.

Newton for RG3+

Thoughts?

 
We have a very small sample size here, but how can you not be excited by RGIII's prospects?

I read after week one a note from the Footballguys e-mail that he was something like 8 for 9 for 111 yards when the Saints blitzed. If you strip away the flashy stuff like Griffin's ability as a runner and his cannon arm, I am very impressed by a rookie being that cool under pressure in the first game of his NFL career. And his accuracy...man. That deep TD pass yesterday was a thing of beauty.

I can't believe I am saying this, but as an Griffin dynasty owner, I don't think I'd take Rodgers for Griffin straight up in a trade :bag:

 
I can't believe I am saying this, but as an Griffin dynasty owner, I don't think I'd take Rodgers for Griffin straight up in a trade :bag:
I don't disagree at all. Honestly, he's about the only guy I would consider at this point. People are saying he is overrated but from watching him I would say he might actually be a tad underrated. Dude is something special. Although I thought they were right at the time, all those guys saying he would not touch Cam's rookie numbers might have spoken a little too soon.
 
He's my no.1 dynasty QB. Maybe overreaction but I'd prefer to be ahead of the curve. He'll be everything Vick was supposed to be.

ETA: I used to have Cam no.1, but I've bumped him down to no.2. ARod goes down to no.3. I only play in 4 pt TD leagues though.

 
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I have been on board since preseason. People were skeptical I guess - I said then that I thought he could get Vick's rushing numbers and that he was a better passer than Vick.

 
RG3 is a top 3 dynasty QB, today, and you need to act now, if it's not too late.

The traditional QB numbers are coming back down to earth, and now, the points that guys like Cam/RG3 score on the ground will be even more appreciated.

Like the Newton talk this time last year, it is very early in the process. But RG3 has aced every test to this point and his coaching staff is using him beautifully. Initial reaction to NFL competition is a big indicator of future success; RG3 belongs, and, just as importantly, he knows it.

Rodgers, Newton, and RG3 are on a tier of their own. Rodgers is the safest, RG3 has the highest upside, and Cam is right in the middle: safer, more proven, bigger and stronger than RG3, significantly less proven than Rodgers, less natural passing touch than both. In 4pt passing leagues, I think Cam and RG3 are the top 2 options, and on a tier of their own, even. In 6 pt leagues, Rodgers is every bit as valuable as the other 2, just in different ways.

Deals I would look to make:

Stafford for RG3

Brees + 1st for RG3

Brady + 1st + for RG3.

Rodgers for RG3+.

Newton for RG3+

Thoughts?
I made this offer before the season and was rejected.
 
If I had RG3 on my team I'd be selling high right now. I love the kid but his value is getting totally out of hand. This is almost exactly the same as Cam last year. The same Cam who teams figured out after 4 games and his number decreased significantly since then.

That's not to say he's still not going to be very good. I'd just trade for one of the other stud QBs and see what else I could get.

 
I have him and Ryan, both with relatively modest keeper prices. Luck is my #3 and is about half the price of the other 2.

I am not looking good at RB and considered offering RG3 up to a QB-needy team for Richardson before this week, hoping for a breakout game, but decided against it. I'm struggling with whether I want to move him or Ryan, by mid-season, assuming they both keep playing well.

My head says move RG3 while the fire is hot, but my eyes and heart scream to hold on to him and move someone else. He just has IT.

Time will tell. It's odd being interested in watching the Redskins play, though. :lmao:

 
If I had RG3 on my team I'd be selling high right now. I love the kid but his value is getting totally out of hand. This is almost exactly the same as Cam last year. The same Cam who teams figured out after 4 games and his number decreased significantly since then.That's not to say he's still not going to be very good. I'd just trade for one of the other stud QBs and see what else I could get.
The Panthers won more games, his ints dropped, and his passer rating increased. What did defenses "figure out"?
 
If I had RG3 on my team I'd be selling high right now. I love the kid but his value is getting totally out of hand. This is almost exactly the same as Cam last year. The same Cam who teams figured out after 4 games and his number decreased significantly since then.That's not to say he's still not going to be very good. I'd just trade for one of the other stud QBs and see what else I could get.
The Panthers won more games, his ints dropped, and his passer rating increased. What did defenses "figure out"?
Cam 1st 4 games avg;346.5 passing yds, 1.25 TDs33.25 rushing yds, 1 TDLast 12 games avg;222 passing yds, 1.33 TDs47.75 yds, .75 TDsSo he went from an average of 380 yds and 2.25 TDs per game to 270 yds and 2.1 TDs per game.This was covered numerous times during the off season with much greater detail than I care to get into.
 
If I had RG3 on my team I'd be selling high right now. I love the kid but his value is getting totally out of hand. This is almost exactly the same as Cam last year. The same Cam who teams figured out after 4 games and his number decreased significantly since then.That's not to say he's still not going to be very good. I'd just trade for one of the other stud QBs and see what else I could get.
The Panthers won more games, his ints dropped, and his passer rating increased. What did defenses "figure out"?
:goodposting: Cam was the one who figured things out more and gave his team leads later in the season. The defenses actually got worse against him. Basing a QB on just yards passing doesn't make any sense, his passer rating was better late in the year then early on.His FF numbers were still good and he was more efficient and effective late in 2012. It's almost like many on here don't even watch the football games.
 
I can't believe I am saying this, but as an Griffin dynasty owner, I don't think I'd take Rodgers for Griffin straight up in a trade :bag:
I don't disagree at all. Honestly, he's about the only guy I would consider at this point. People are saying he is overrated but from watching him I would say he might actually be a tad underrated. Dude is something special. Although I thought they were right at the time, all those guys saying he would not touch Cam's rookie numbers might have spoken a little too soon.
Hard to think Griffen's overrated when you read this article:
RG3 and Newton's Law

In a lot of ways, the Cam Newton–Robert Griffin comparison makes sense. Each is an athletic, dynamic quarterback capable of making plays with his arm or his legs. Each has a Heisman Trophy to his credit, and each emerged from relative anonymity to claim it. And after yesterday's 40-32 win for the Redskins, each has a stunning NFL debut to his credit.

There are plenty of differences in how each got to that point, though, and with Griffin's performance against New Orleans — 19-for-26 for 320 yards and two touchdowns — there also seems to be a difference in how far along each was by Week 1.

Newton's arrival in the consciousness of college football fans truly was sudden. The junior college transfer (by way of a checkered stint at Florida) hadn't even won his starting job until spring practice. What followed was one of the more surprising and dominant college seasons in memory, and including a national championship and a sudden rise to the near-consensus no. 1 pick in the draft. When Newton came out and threw for more than 400 yards in Week 1 last year, it was nothing less than shocking.

Auburn's offense was tailored to Newton; it was a system designed in such a way to utilize Newton's ability as a runner and combine minimal-read passing plays as a means of hitting big plays when the defense failed to play the Tigers honestly. Anything resembling an NFL playbook would be a considerable departure from what he used during his one year under Gene Chizik. Carolina still uses Newton like no other team in the league uses its quarterback, but his progression as a passer, especially in an offseason with a lockout, came almost overnight.

Griffin may have appeared in the national college football consciousness in what seemed like an instant, but his maturation as a quarterback was something fans of the Big 12 watched for years. When Griffin became Baylor's quarterback in 2008 — following a long road of coaches trying to dissuade him from the position — he was an athletic marvel that provided a bright spot in what had been a dark time for Baylor football. Griffin ran for more than 800 yards in his first year as a starter, and at times gave opposing defenses fits. As a passer, though, there was still much to be desired (59.9 percent completions, 2,091 yards). After missing the 2009 season with a torn ACL, Griffin returned in 2010 and completed more than two-thirds of his passes while throwing for 3,500 yards and 22 touchdowns. And in 2011, well, we know about that one.

His world-class speed leads people to label Griffin as a running quarterback, but the truth is he's a developed passer in the same mold as Andrew Luck. Newton's 400-yard explosion in last year's opener was the result of a shootout that required Carolina to let the offense loose and let Newton make plays. Griffin was given his own version of freedom, but it dealt with what type of play Washington would run rather than what sort of improvisation each play would involve. Using many of the same basic offense principles he used at Baylor (shotgun formations, run/pass options), Griffin surveyed the defense and tended toward a series of quick, easy throws that helped establish a rhythm and comfort that allowed the game to come to him. Instead of a padded 400-yard total dictated by the flow of the game, Griffin and the Redskins were the ones doing the dictating. There's no denying that Newton is a special talent, and the element he brings to Carolina's offense isn't seen anywhere else in football, but Griffin is something different, and after yesterday afternoon, maybe something even more imposing.

Robert Mays
 
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'NBusiness said:
I love this guy, but he's gonna be perennially hurt . He's just not big enough for his style at this level.
Really? Here are the measurables of some famous running QBs:Robert Griffin III

6' 2", 217 lbs

Randall Cunningham

6' 4", 212 lbs

Steve Young

Height: 6' 2", 215 lbs

John Elway

6' 3", 215 lbs

 
2 Things I was thinking about RGIII and I don't own him in any leagues.

1) With all the D injuries I think he will be having to match scores making him more valuable and a guy like Morris even if he remains the main RB less valuable.

2) He took some big shots this week. He has a lot of heart but I think he needs to protect himself better. I worry he might get injured at the rate he is going. Even though I don't own him I love to watch him play, so I am hoping I am wrong.

 
RG3 is a top 3 dynasty QB, today, and you need to act now, if it's not too late.

The traditional QB numbers are coming back down to earth, and now, the points that guys like Cam/RG3 score on the ground will be even more appreciated.

Like the Newton talk this time last year, it is very early in the process. But RG3 has aced every test to this point and his coaching staff is using him beautifully. Initial reaction to NFL competition is a big indicator of future success; RG3 belongs, and, just as importantly, he knows it.

Rodgers, Newton, and RG3 are on a tier of their own. Rodgers is the safest, RG3 has the highest upside, and Cam is right in the middle: safer, more proven, bigger and stronger than RG3, significantly less proven than Rodgers, less natural passing touch than both. In 4pt passing leagues, I think Cam and RG3 are the top 2 options, and on a tier of their own, even. In 6 pt leagues, Rodgers is every bit as valuable as the other 2, just in different ways.

Deals I would look to make:

Stafford for RG3

Brees + 1st for RG3

Brady + 1st + for RG3.

Rodgers for RG3+.

Newton for RG3+

Thoughts?
You'd be crazy to make this deal. With 14 rushing touchdowns last year Newton did not even approach any of these guys in actual points, and Brees was more highly separated than most. He's a great propsect but these trades are overreactions to the new guy IMO.
 
RG3 is a top 3 dynasty QB, today, and you need to act now, if it's not too late.

The traditional QB numbers are coming back down to earth, and now, the points that guys like Cam/RG3 score on the ground will be even more appreciated.

Like the Newton talk this time last year, it is very early in the process. But RG3 has aced every test to this point and his coaching staff is using him beautifully. Initial reaction to NFL competition is a big indicator of future success; RG3 belongs, and, just as importantly, he knows it.

Rodgers, Newton, and RG3 are on a tier of their own. Rodgers is the safest, RG3 has the highest upside, and Cam is right in the middle: safer, more proven, bigger and stronger than RG3, significantly less proven than Rodgers, less natural passing touch than both. In 4pt passing leagues, I think Cam and RG3 are the top 2 options, and on a tier of their own, even. In 6 pt leagues, Rodgers is every bit as valuable as the other 2, just in different ways.

Deals I would look to make:

Stafford for RG3

Brees + 1st for RG3

Brady + 1st + for RG3.

Rodgers for RG3+.

Newton for RG3+

Thoughts?
You'd be crazy to make this deal. With 14 rushing touchdowns last year Newton did not even approach any of these guys in actual points, and Brees was more highly separated than most. He's a great propsect but these trades are overreactions to the new guy IMO.
In a few years those guys won't be playing any longer.
 
You'd be crazy to make this deal. With 14 rushing touchdowns last year Newton did not even approach any of these guys in actual points, and Brees was more highly separated than most. He's a great propsect but these trades are overreactions to the new guy IMO.
Newton bested the 3 year average of Rodgers, Brees, and Brady, in his rookie season. He is 23 years old. This is where the potential comes in - imagine Newton getting 700/10 on the ground, AND being one of the better passing QBs in the league. Or even above average - say 4300/30/10. Thats 2010 Michael Vick production, over an entire season.
 
'NBusiness said:
I love this guy, but he's gonna be perennially hurt . He's just not big enough for his style at this level.
Really? Here are the measurables of some famous running QBs:Robert Griffin III

6' 2", 217 lbs

Randall Cunningham

6' 4", 212 lbs

Steve Young

Height: 6' 2", 215 lbs

John Elway

6' 3", 215 lbs
Great point - how often do we really see QBs get injured on runs? When they are running, they have the ability to slide, use the sideline to protect themselves, and when they do get hit it's usually by a "small" defenive back and where they are able see the hit coming.Most QBs get hurt in the pocket where they have no ability to "hit back" or protect themselves and where they are getting leveled by D-linemen or linebackers. Even Vick usually gets hurt when he is holding the ball too long while in the pocket (or just outside of it), not when he's on the run.

 
If you were forced to pick right now: Newton or RGIII?
DON'T MAKE ME SAY IT!I am picking Newton right now. I think he is safer - he has a bigger sample size, and I feel comfortable betting on his frame holding up over his career. Also, I think his rushing TDs will be more consistant, as he is more of a goal line threat. That said, I will say that RG3 has more upside. He has better touch on his passes, which will add up to more points through the air. I fully expect RG3 to be near the top of the league in passing yards and TDs within the next 3 seasons. I don't feel comfortable making that statement about Newton, right now.
 
Thx for the thread Concept. I am so greatful that I took a shot drafting him as my QB1 in my keeper league this season. There is no doubt in my mind that he will be my QB for many years to come.

 
RG3 is a top 3 dynasty QB, today, and you need to act now, if it's not too late.

The traditional QB numbers are coming back down to earth, and now, the points that guys like Cam/RG3 score on the ground will be even more appreciated.

Like the Newton talk this time last year, it is very early in the process. But RG3 has aced every test to this point and his coaching staff is using him beautifully. Initial reaction to NFL competition is a big indicator of future success; RG3 belongs, and, just as importantly, he knows it.

Rodgers, Newton, and RG3 are on a tier of their own. Rodgers is the safest, RG3 has the highest upside, and Cam is right in the middle: safer, more proven, bigger and stronger than RG3, significantly less proven than Rodgers, less natural passing touch than both. In 4pt passing leagues, I think Cam and RG3 are the top 2 options, and on a tier of their own, even. In 6 pt leagues, Rodgers is every bit as valuable as the other 2, just in different ways.

Deals I would look to make:

Stafford for RG3

Brees + 1st for RG3

Brady + 1st + for RG3.

Rodgers for RG3+.

Newton for RG3+

Thoughts?
You'd be crazy to make this deal. With 14 rushing touchdowns last year Newton did not even approach any of these guys in actual points, and Brees was more highly separated than most. He's a great propsect but these trades are overreactions to the new guy IMO.
In what scoring system did Cam not approach these guys in points. He only had 3 points less than Brady in 2012 in most of my leagues (and was ahead going into Week 17). He finished 31 less than Brees, but was only 7 down going into Week 17 (you know, the week Brady and Brees (and their TEs) were going for yardage records).
 
I have to post this trade banter, because it's just too funny not to share. (Not looking for advice, this is not an AC question).

We have a new guy in our dynasty league, and I just lost Hernandez. I need a TE, and new guy has Vernon, Pettigrew, and Rudolph. He also is thin at WR (Jennings, Floyd, Ogletree). So I offer him Lloyd for Pettigrew straight up. He counters with Pettigrew for Andre Johnson, and even tells me he'd take RGIII for Pettigrew. HA HA HA HA!!!!!! Why doesn't he just ask for Arian Foster?

This is how I responded to his counter offer:

Hey, if you are comfortable with Michael Floyd and Kevin Ogletree, more power to you.

In no universe will you ever get RGIII for Pettigrew in a dynasty league.
 
I thought RGIII owners would get a kick out of this:

Customized Top 200 list for Standard league - weeks 3 -- 16



31 WR10 Demaryius Thomas

32 WR11 Steve Smith

33 RB16 Michael Bush

34 RB17 Steven Jackson

35 WR12 Larry Fitzgerald

36 WR13 Vincent Jackson

37 RB18 Ahmad Bradshaw

38 WR14 Mike Wallace

39 QB5 Matt Ryan

40 RB19 Willis McGahee

41 WR15 Dez Bryant

42 RB20 BenJarvus Green-Ellis

43 WR16 Brandon Lloyd

44 RB21 Matt Forte

45 QB6 Robert Griffin III
 
If I had RG3 on my team I'd be selling high right now. I love the kid but his value is getting totally out of hand. This is almost exactly the same as Cam last year. The same Cam who teams figured out after 4 games and his number decreased significantly since then.

That's not to say he's still not going to be very good. I'd just trade for one of the other stud QBs and see what else I could get.
The Panthers won more games, his ints dropped, and his passer rating increased. What did defenses "figure out"?
Cam 1st 4 games avg;346.5 passing yds, 1.25 TDs

33.25 rushing yds, 1 TD

Last 12 games avg;

222 passing yds, 1.33 TDs

47.75 yds, .75 TDs

So he went from an average of 380 yds and 2.25 TDs per game to 270 yds and 2.1 TDs per game.

This was covered numerous times during the off season with much greater detail than I care to get into.
270/2.1 over 16 games comes out to 4320/34 over a full season. I'll take that any day of the week from a guy who has been "figured out". And that's completely ignoring how much more valuable rushing yards are than passing yards, and how unlikely it is that a QBs first year would be his best.
RG3 is a top 3 dynasty QB, today, and you need to act now, if it's not too late.

The traditional QB numbers are coming back down to earth, and now, the points that guys like Cam/RG3 score on the ground will be even more appreciated.

Like the Newton talk this time last year, it is very early in the process. But RG3 has aced every test to this point and his coaching staff is using him beautifully. Initial reaction to NFL competition is a big indicator of future success; RG3 belongs, and, just as importantly, he knows it.

Rodgers, Newton, and RG3 are on a tier of their own. Rodgers is the safest, RG3 has the highest upside, and Cam is right in the middle: safer, more proven, bigger and stronger than RG3, significantly less proven than Rodgers, less natural passing touch than both. In 4pt passing leagues, I think Cam and RG3 are the top 2 options, and on a tier of their own, even. In 6 pt leagues, Rodgers is every bit as valuable as the other 2, just in different ways.

Deals I would look to make:

Stafford for RG3

Brees + 1st for RG3

Brady + 1st + for RG3.

Rodgers for RG3+.

Newton for RG3+

Thoughts?
You'd be crazy to make this deal. With 14 rushing touchdowns last year Newton did not even approach any of these guys in actual points, and Brees was more highly separated than most. He's a great propsect but these trades are overreactions to the new guy IMO.
Griffin doesn't have to outscore either Brees or Brady this year in order to be worth much more than them, since he'll likely be playing nearly a decade longer than either. I own both Brees and Griffin, and you'd have a much easier time getting the former away from me than the latter.
 
Got Kolb, Kevin ARI QB; Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.08

Gave up Brady, Tom NEP QB

Got Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.06;Year 2012 Draft Pick 5.06;Year 2012 Draft Pick 5.07

Gave up Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.08;Year 2012 Draft Pick 3.08;Year 2012 Draft Pick 3.09

Drafts RGIII

 
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I viewed him as top 6 before the season (and paid that price to get him in a few leagues).

I'm really impressed with just how quickly he's looked comfortable and I wouldn't really trade him for anyone.

 
I love this guy, but he's gonna be perennially hurt . He's just not big enough for his style at this level.
Came in to post this. He needs to stop running, and Shanahan needs to stop calling plays for him to run. He's going to get killed.Unreal ability to make good reads and make strong throws with pinpoint accuracy though -- among the best in the league over distance.
 
His numbers under pressure are unreal, I loved him long term but thought he'd take a year. Wrong. Sold Rivers in my dyno and he's starting every week.

 
anyone worried about the affect of wash not having a 1st rounder in the next 2 yrs will have on the team
Depends if they're able to build a strong enough of an offensive line without the picks. I think they're young and skilled enough at the skill positions and on defense to compete in the interim and as vets age replace them with free agents at a similar cost.
 
Lotta ball washing in here. It's been 2 games. Let's see how he does once teams have some decent tape on him before inducting him into the HOF. He played against two of the worst defenses in the league in NO and Stl.

 
Drafted RGIII in my dynasty league and have been happy with him thus far. To give you an idea of trade value I was just offered this deal:

Rivers, Bryant and Charles for RGIII.

 
'Beerguzzler said:
Lotta ball washing in here. It's been 2 games. Let's see how he does once teams have some decent tape on him before inducting him into the HOF. He played against two of the worst defenses in the league in NO and Stl.
St. Louis has faced Griffin and Stafford... and Griffin looked way better against them. New Orleans faced Griffin and Newton, and Griffin looked as good as Newton. Those defenses might not be the best in the league, but Griffin still looks great in comparison to other great QBs who have faced them. Besides, it's not like he came from nowhere to put up two big games. He's the Heisman Trophy winner. He's a top-2 draft pick. Washington spent three firsts and a second to acquire him. Everyone already had a ton of reasons to think Griffin was going to be awesome. The last two games merely offer evidence confirming the original hypothesis.
 
'Beerguzzler said:
Lotta ball washing in here. It's been 2 games. Let's see how he does once teams have some decent tape on him
There's plenty of tape on Griffin.
Using many of the same basic offense principles he used at Baylor (shotgun formations, run/pass options), Griffin surveyed the defense and tended toward a series of quick, easy throws that helped establish a rhythm and comfort that allowed the game to come to him. There’s no denying that Cam Newton is a special talent, and the element he brings to Carolina's offense isn’t seen anywhere else in football, but Griffin is something different, and after yesterday afternoon, maybe something even more imposing.
 
Rodgers/cam/rgIII/Luck/stafford are the clear top dynasty qb's. Anyone who has anyone else ahead of this group in their rankings should be ignored.

 
I viewed him as top 6 before the season (and paid that price to get him in a few leagues).I'm really impressed with just how quickly he's looked comfortable and I wouldn't really trade him for anyone.
I gave up him and Peyton to get Aaron Rodgers. I think I'll be ok, but still...what a start.
 
He has looked simply incredible for his first two games...

I'm still waiting a few more games before I make a judgment.. but I dont see how anyone could keep him out of the top 4, and probably the top 3

 

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