Rhodes role in Indy (1 Viewer)

[North]

Rotowire yesterday:

http://www.rotowire.com/football/player.htm?ID=4839

Is Dungy declaring that they will both "share time like they did two years ago" indicating that they will be splitting carries? Or is this just coach speak to keep both players happy. I just can%t see the reasoning behind cutting Addais carries, as Rhodes doesn%t really impress me too much. I own both and actually wouldn%t be that mad if Rhodes took some carries so that Addai would be fresh at the end of the year, but I don%t want him taking more than 10 carries a game!

What do you think Rhodes role will be and do you think it will cut into Addai%s production with this news?

 

[zamboni]

There's been quite a few threads on this, but no matter.

I think that the plan will be to get Rhodes involved, but IMO he'll once again show how average he is and cede more time to Addai. Yes, Rhodes had that great AFC Championship game, but lost the main job earlier to Addai.

I think Hart will eventually take over the second fiddle role, although it may take some time for him to get up to that point with the two guys ahead of him.

 

[maxwelledison]

I don't think they brought back Rhodes to have him sit on the bench but I also don't think Rhodes will manage more than a 65-35 split.

Addai seemed to wear down last year and I don't think the Colts want to see that happen again. Something like the split in 2006, with 50 more to JA makes sense.

 

[North]

Well if this news is true than I'm a little dissappointed in that I expected Addai to get 270 carries this year and 40 receptions. I guess I can lower those expectations to more like 200 carries? That does have an affect on his value. Hopefully they will give him all the goal line work!

 

[Professor S]

As a Colts fan, I think this is the best approach for the team to take. Addai had that excellent stretch of games the second half of the 2006 season, and followed it up with an excellent first half last year. However, the wear and tear of the full load took a toll on his production (as did the loss of Ugoh on our o-line). I would rather have a healthy and fresh Addai throughout the whole season.

As an Addai owner, this concerns me a little. In 2006 Addai had 226 carries, accounting for 54% as Rhodes had 187. Addai is clearly the more talented back and I see that percentage increasing eventually. However, I also envision the Colts pounding the rock more as Manning's knee heals. To keep Addai healthy and fresh they are going to have to limit his carries somewhat. I see it being a 60/40 split at this point. I think he will be more productive (i.e. have a higher YPC) in a split. Right now I think we're looking at around 1,100 yards for the season.

He will not lose goalline carries. Addai has proven over the last two years he definitely has a nose for the end zone. If you want to worry about a TD vulture, worry about Manning, who likes to throw from the one yard line about as often as he likes to run. I still expect double digit TDs.

My expectations for Addai in the fantasy world are tempered, but I still feel he will be a very productive back.

 

[switz]

Rotowire yesterday:

http://www.rotowire.com/football/player.htm?ID=4839

Is Dungy declaring that they will both "share time like they did two years ago" indicating that they will be splitting carries? Or is this just coach speak to keep both players happy. I just can%t see the reasoning behind cutting Addais carries, as Rhodes doesn%t really impress me too much. I own both and actually wouldn%t be that mad if Rhodes took some carries so that Addai would be fresh at the end of the year, but I don%t want him taking more than 10 carries a game!

What do you think Rhodes role will be and do you think it will cut into Addai%s production with this news?

Actually, here's the real quote:

“I would imagine that’s how it’s going to go in the regular season,” Colts Head Coach Tony Dungy said Thursday. “Joseph will start the games, but Dom is ready to go. When Joseph needs a break, he’ll go in there. We want to keep both of those guys fresh so that whoever is running in the fourth quarter is ready to go. That’s what we really had in the playoffs that year and it was good for us, that we had a fresh guy in there when we had to make plays in the fourth quarter. Who that ends up being I don’t think those guys care that much.

“They know they’re both going to get to play. They know they’re both going to get the ball their share of the time. It worked out pretty well. Hopefully, we can duplicate that.”

Take a look at the playoffs that year...Addai - 25, 18, 14, 19 carries (projects out to 304 carries)

Rhodes - 13, 14, 14 21 carries (projects out to 248 carries)

For that season Addai had 226, Rhodes 187. Rhodes got a ton of carries in the SuperBowl in the 4th quarter, about half of his total in fact, and 8 were on the very last drive. I don't really see Rhodes having much of an impact on Addai this year. He will probably end up with less carries than Keith had last season. Addai will average 18-20 carries per game.

 

[zamboni]

Actually, here's the real quote:

“I would imagine that’s how it’s going to go in the regular season,” Colts Head Coach Tony Dungy said Thursday. “Joseph will start the games, but Dom is ready to go. When Joseph needs a break, he’ll go in there. We want to keep both of those guys fresh so that whoever is running in the fourth quarter is ready to go. That’s what we really had in the playoffs that year and it was good for us, that we had a fresh guy in there when we had to make plays in the fourth quarter. Who that ends up being I don’t think those guys care that much.

“They know they’re both going to get to play. They know they’re both going to get the ball their share of the time. It worked out pretty well. Hopefully, we can duplicate that.”

That's my concern about Joe more so than Rhodes - his penchant for getting dinged here and there and seemingly asking out at times.

 

[blackjack23]

Rotowire yesterday:

http://www.rotowire.com/football/player.htm?ID=4839

Is Dungy declaring that they will both "share time like they did two years ago" indicating that they will be splitting carries? Or is this just coach speak to keep both players happy. I just can%t see the reasoning behind cutting Addais carries, as Rhodes doesn%t really impress me too much. I own both and actually wouldn%t be that mad if Rhodes took some carries so that Addai would be fresh at the end of the year, but I don%t want him taking more than 10 carries a game!

What do you think Rhodes role will be and do you think it will cut into Addai%s production with this news?

Actually, here's the real quote:

“I would imagine that’s how it’s going to go in the regular season,” Colts Head Coach Tony Dungy said Thursday. “Joseph will start the games, but Dom is ready to go. When Joseph needs a break, he’ll go in there. We want to keep both of those guys fresh so that whoever is running in the fourth quarter is ready to go. That’s what we really had in the playoffs that year and it was good for us, that we had a fresh guy in there when we had to make plays in the fourth quarter. Who that ends up being I don’t think those guys care that much.

“They know they’re both going to get to play. They know they’re both going to get the ball their share of the time. It worked out pretty well. Hopefully, we can duplicate that.”

Take a look at the playoffs that year...Addai - 25, 18, 14, 19 carries (projects out to 304 carries)

Rhodes - 13, 14, 14 21 carries (projects out to 248 carries)

For that season Addai had 226, Rhodes 187. Rhodes got a ton of carries in the SuperBowl in the 4th quarter, about half of his total in fact, and 8 were on the very last drive. I don't really see Rhodes having much of an impact on Addai this year. He will probably end up with less carries than Keith had last season. Addai will average 18-20 carries per game.

no shot

 

[switz]

Addai will average 18-20 carries per game.

no shot

You realize he averaged nearly 18 per game last season, despite having his workload dramatically decreased over the last 6 games?People should probably look at stats before laughing at reasonable points.

 

[blackjack23]

Addai will average 18-20 carries per game.

no shot

You realize he averaged nearly 18 per game last season, despite having his workload dramatically decreased over the last 6 games?People should probably look at stats before laughing at reasonable points.

So you're saying he didnt average 18. And that was with a CFL player as his backup and not an adequate player like Rhodes or rookie like Hart? Once again

 

[switz]

Addai will average 18-20 carries per game.

no shot

You realize he averaged nearly 18 per game last season, despite having his workload dramatically decreased over the last 6 games?People should probably look at stats before laughing at reasonable points.

So you're saying he didnt average 18. And that was with a CFL player as his backup and not an adequate player like Rhodes or rookie like Hart? Once again

Right, during a season in which the whole team suffered numerous injuries, and he himself struggled with an injury all season long, he averaged 17 carries per game, not touches, carries. It's completely unrealistic with him and the team being healthier that he might average one more carry per game. Right....Your ignorance is evident in the fact you think a 6th round rookie RB is going to significantly cut into a 1st round, 2x 1,000 yard rusher's carries.

 

[blackjack23]

Addai will average 18-20 carries per game.

no shot

You realize he averaged nearly 18 per game last season, despite having his workload dramatically decreased over the last 6 games?People should probably look at stats before laughing at reasonable points.

So you're saying he didnt average 18. And that was with a CFL player as his backup and not an adequate player like Rhodes or rookie like Hart? Once again

Right, during a season in which the whole team suffered numerous injuries, and he himself struggled with an injury all season long, he averaged 17 carries per game, not touches, carries. It's completely unrealistic with him and the team being healthier that he might average one more carry per game. Right....Your ignorance is evident in the fact you think a 6th round rookie RB is going to significantly cut into a 1st round, 2x 1,000 yard rusher's carries.

Where did I say significant? I projected Addai averaging 16 carries a game.

 

[switz]

Addai will average 18-20 carries per game.

no shot

You realize he averaged nearly 18 per game last season, despite having his workload dramatically decreased over the last 6 games?People should probably look at stats before laughing at reasonable points.

So you're saying he didnt average 18. And that was with a CFL player as his backup and not an adequate player like Rhodes or rookie like Hart? Once again

Right, during a season in which the whole team suffered numerous injuries, and he himself struggled with an injury all season long, he averaged 17 carries per game, not touches, carries. It's completely unrealistic with him and the team being healthier that he might average one more carry per game. Right....Your ignorance is evident in the fact you think a 6th round rookie RB is going to significantly cut into a 1st round, 2x 1,000 yard rusher's carries.

Where did I say significant? I projected Addai averaging 16 carries a game.

That would be a significant cut, because you are suggesting that he takes as many touches away as Keith did, plus more...If you are projecting 16, then 18-20 is not really at all... it's only 2 more per game to meet that.

Last season he had 16+ carries in all but 5 games, 4 of which were at the end of the season where they rested him. I don't think we'll see the 23-26 carry games this season, like we did last, but he had 20+ carries in 8 games last season, I don't think expecting 18-20 is unrealistic at all. In fact, I'd say it's more than likely 80% of his games will be between 18-20 carries, and a few will be above, and a few will be below. His carries will be pretty consistent game to game.

 

[trader jake]

Looking at the Colts early season schedule (tough run defenses) I expect Addai will get off to a less that all world start.

Bring this Rhodes/Hart point up now to the Addai owner and stay quiet for a few weeks. Then make them an offer after week 3 or 4 for Addai and laugh all the way to the bank.

 

[blackjack23]

Looking at the Colts early season schedule (tough run defenses) I expect Addai will get off to a less that all world start.

Bring this Rhodes/Hart point up now to the Addai owner and stay quiet for a few weeks. Then make them an offer after week 3 or 4 for Addai and laugh all the way to the bank.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...64&hl=addai

 

[blackjack23]

Addai will average 18-20 carries per game.

no shot

You realize he averaged nearly 18 per game last season, despite having his workload dramatically decreased over the last 6 games?People should probably look at stats before laughing at reasonable points.

So you're saying he didnt average 18. And that was with a CFL player as his backup and not an adequate player like Rhodes or rookie like Hart? Once again

Right, during a season in which the whole team suffered numerous injuries, and he himself struggled with an injury all season long, he averaged 17 carries per game, not touches, carries. It's completely unrealistic with him and the team being healthier that he might average one more carry per game. Right....Your ignorance is evident in the fact you think a 6th round rookie RB is going to significantly cut into a 1st round, 2x 1,000 yard rusher's carries.

Where did I say significant? I projected Addai averaging 16 carries a game.

That would be a significant cut, because you are suggesting that he takes as many touches away as Keith did, plus more...If you are projecting 16, then 18-20 is not really at all... it's only 2 more per game to meet that.

Last season he had 16+ carries in all but 5 games, 4 of which were at the end of the season where they rested him. I don't think we'll see the 23-26 carry games this season, like we did last, but he had 20+ carries in 8 games last season, I don't think expecting 18-20 is unrealistic at all. In fact, I'd say it's more than likely 80% of his games will be between 18-20 carries, and a few will be above, and a few will be below. His carries will be pretty consistent game to game.

So one less carry a game than last year is a significant cut but 2-4 more than last year is not laughable? OK gotchaAnd Im not saying Hart will take all those carries. I am saying some combo of Rhodes & Hart will cut into Addai's workload enough to give him an average of 16 carries a game.

 

[trader jake]

Looking at the Colts early season schedule (tough run defenses) I expect Addai will get off to a less that all world start.

Bring this Rhodes/Hart point up now to the Addai owner and stay quiet for a few weeks. Then make them an offer after week 3 or 4 for Addai and laugh all the way to the bank.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...64&hl=addai

 

[switz]

Addai will average 18-20 carries per game.

no shot

You realize he averaged nearly 18 per game last season, despite having his workload dramatically decreased over the last 6 games?People should probably look at stats before laughing at reasonable points.

So you're saying he didnt average 18. And that was with a CFL player as his backup and not an adequate player like Rhodes or rookie like Hart? Once again

Right, during a season in which the whole team suffered numerous injuries, and he himself struggled with an injury all season long, he averaged 17 carries per game, not touches, carries. It's completely unrealistic with him and the team being healthier that he might average one more carry per game. Right....Your ignorance is evident in the fact you think a 6th round rookie RB is going to significantly cut into a 1st round, 2x 1,000 yard rusher's carries.

Where did I say significant? I projected Addai averaging 16 carries a game.

That would be a significant cut, because you are suggesting that he takes as many touches away as Keith did, plus more...If you are projecting 16, then 18-20 is not really at all... it's only 2 more per game to meet that.

Last season he had 16+ carries in all but 5 games, 4 of which were at the end of the season where they rested him. I don't think we'll see the 23-26 carry games this season, like we did last, but he had 20+ carries in 8 games last season, I don't think expecting 18-20 is unrealistic at all. In fact, I'd say it's more than likely 80% of his games will be between 18-20 carries, and a few will be above, and a few will be below. His carries will be pretty consistent game to game.

So one less carry a game than last year is a significant cut but 2-4 more than last year is not laughable? OK gotcha

Considering Joseph played 70% of the season through an injury, then yes... expecting a drop in carries by a now healthy RB due to a 6th round rookie is a significant cut. Being that he's now healthy, thinking he might increase his carries by 1 per game is very realistic, and far from laughable.Put it this way...

Increase in carries = reasonable and realistic

Decrease in carries = not reasonable, not realistic

Decrease in carries because of a 6th round rookie = crazy.

I see Rhodes and Hart sharing the same role, where Rhodes takes it in the beginning, and Hart in the second half of the season. However, I doubt either sees more than 5-7 carries a game, except for in blowouts.

We'll see as the season goes on... it just seems to me a number of people here want to find all sorts of excuses for Addai's success, and looking for reasons to predict he'll fail.

 

[fruity pebbles]

If you think they're going to sit one of their best playmakers for Rhodes i think you're crazy. Rhodes is marginal at best. When they get in close games who do you thinks going to be carrying the ball? Rhodes will be the man in blowouts and giving Addai breathers.

 

[packersfan]

Every Addai owner should hope Rhodes looks good because that enhances the chances that Addai will stay fresh all season long and not wear down the way he did last season. If that means losing a carry or two a game so be it. Addai owners, like the Colts, need to think big picture and the big picture is making sure Addai is there late in the season producing at a high level.

It'll be very interesting to see how much work Addai gets tomorrow night. Publically, the Colts are saying it's all systems go for Manning but with questions up front and Manning coming off his injury will they try to protect him by working a heavy dose of Addai against a Bears defense who got blasted to kingdom come on the ground by the Colts in the Super Bowl two years ago? Or will they just play their game and expect to be the Colts no matter who is starting up front?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Addai will average 18-20 carries per game.

no shot

You realize he averaged nearly 18 per game last season, despite having his workload dramatically decreased over the last 6 games?People should probably look at stats before laughing at reasonable points.

So you're saying he didnt average 18. And that was with a CFL player as his backup and not an adequate player like Rhodes or rookie like Hart? Once again

Right, during a season in which the whole team suffered numerous injuries, and he himself struggled with an injury all season long, he averaged 17 carries per game, not touches, carries. It's completely unrealistic with him and the team being healthier that he might average one more carry per game. Right....Your ignorance is evident in the fact you think a 6th round rookie RB is going to significantly cut into a 1st round, 2x 1,000 yard rusher's carries.

Where did I say significant? I projected Addai averaging 16 carries a game.

lol at switz and BJ debating whether 16 carries a game or 18 carries a game is more right.I love the SP

 

[switz]

After week 1:

Addai 12 carries (until knocked out of game - worrisome), probably would have had 15 carries on the game

Rhodes 2 carries

Hart 1 carry

Yep... Rhodes is a real threat. Didn't even get much work when Addai left the game with an injury. Addai had 14 carries through

 

[packersfan]

When Addai left the game the Colts were in major passing mode so Rhodes wasn't going to get any carries. He did have two receptions, though, and finished with 4 compared to Addai's 1.

He got a full series of work in the first half when Addai rested. Otherwise, he looked like a typical backup. If last night's game is any indication, he'll get a series a game to keep Addai fresh but otherwise won't play unless Addai gets hurt or takes himself out of the game - which he tried to do after his first-quarter run to the Bears' 7. But there was a timeout after that play so Addai came back and didn't officially miss a snap.