Ministry of Pain
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Bail denied was one of the bigger things to emerge so there has to be some pretty damning evidence against him.
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Richard Sherman arrested for Burglary Domestic Violence...now released and Felony charges dropped (3 Viewers)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Some rando on Reddit claiming to be a public defender stated
1) it’s a statutory requirement to arrest someone is believed to have committed a DV offense (very broad - could mean a number of things, the arresting officer has to arrest someone if something might have occurred), and
2) everyone booked on DV charge is denied bail until their arraignment hearing, which might be 24-48 hours after the arrest. We shouldn’t necessarily presume “oh must be really bad, he didn’t get bail” bc as of now he hasn’t appeared before a magistrate to set bail.
1) it’s a statutory requirement to arrest someone is believed to have committed a DV offense (very broad - could mean a number of things, the arresting officer has to arrest someone if something might have occurred), and
2) everyone booked on DV charge is denied bail until their arraignment hearing, which might be 24-48 hours after the arrest. We shouldn’t necessarily presume “oh must be really bad, he didn’t get bail” bc as of now he hasn’t appeared before a magistrate to set bail.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
#1 is true from what I know of as well. If something happened, the officer has to use his knowledge/evidence of the situation and arrest someone if they are called to the scene of a domestic violence situation.
Multiple credible people on twitter verifying Reddit rando is for sure spot on with item #2:
https://twitter.com/BradyHenderson/status/1415344486536810498
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Did I miss something, or is this wildly out of character for Sherman? He always seemed like a really good guy. (I'm sure Michael Crabtree would disagree, but I've never heard of him having any off-field issues).
I was hoping the Bills would magically come up with some way of signing him . . .
I was hoping the Bills would magically come up with some way of signing him . . .
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
So he was drunk, hit and run. Tried to break into a family members house. Cop let the dogs go on him.
Even if that’s all true he will beat those trumped up charges. Lol @ “burglary domestic violence”.
Even if that’s all true he will beat those trumped up charges. Lol @ “burglary domestic violence”.
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Stinkin Ref
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cliff notes (kinda?).....
drunk, wrecked his car in single car accident, left the scene, went to a family members house, tried to get in, they didn't want him in, called police, police discover the wrecked car is linked to him and the address he went to, show up at the house after putting 2 and 2 together, also meet the police there responding to the phone call, Sherman fought with police when they arrived.....arrested...
drunk, wrecked his car in single car accident, left the scene, went to a family members house, tried to get in, they didn't want him in, called police, police discover the wrecked car is linked to him and the address he went to, show up at the house after putting 2 and 2 together, also meet the police there responding to the phone call, Sherman fought with police when they arrived.....arrested...
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Are these the facts or are we piecing things together? If true then it doesn't sound like something you should have to stay in jail for overnight or even a 2nd night. Why would bail not be immediately available for him?
Stinkin Ref
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rockaction
Footballguy
Sounds like he's having a really tough time of it personally, according to sources. I heard the dispatch call on Twitter and saw some news about his personal life. As for the incident, his wife is telling the dispatcher he had a bottle of wine and vodka and other stuff. Didn't sound good at all.
Tanner9919
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soon to be the new face of the NFL, to stand up on the dais at conferences and NFL drafts right next to that great human being, Jim Brown.Osaurus said:
ignatiusjreilly
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Latest ESPN report sounds like a guy who got out of control drunk and did a lot of really stupid stuff. Not saying that to minimize our excuse his behavior — most people who get drunk don’t menace their in-laws, threaten suicide and fight with police dogs—but this article suggests a guy who is experiencing some sort of mental illness and/or major trauma. I’m glad it was resolved without anything worse happening and hope he gets the help he needs
rockaction
Footballguy
Also reports are that his friends had flown in previous to the incident because he was going through turbulent times. No excuse for his behavior from a legal point of view, but some compassion is in order, as you seem to imply.
Stinkin Ref
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yeah who knows how this will shake out....someone once said you probably shouldn't judge someone on their worst day or on their best.....they are probably somewhere in between....sounds like everyone is safe and nobody was injured.....hopefully he gets the help he needs
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Exactly. Of course, it’s also possible that this latest story is an effort by his reps to put a good spin on what happened. No need to decide one way or another just yet.
rockaction
Footballguy
Absolutely not. Let the facts come out.
What is weird to me is how he hadn't signed with anybody yet. I wonder what was going on with him.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Saw a blurb a few days ago he was hoping to return to the Seahawks. Might be his best chance going forward, though football seems of secondary importance to taking care of his mental health rn.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
It could certainly be tied to whatever problems he may be having, but it’s also not that unusual for a vet his age to be unsigned at this point
rockaction
Footballguy
Also true. But he was rumored to have been coveted by several teams, including the Jets, and the media was starting to wonder why something hadn't gotten done given some teams' glaring needs in the secondary. But yes, vets of his age often linger unsigned.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
When stuff like this happens - this is really far outside of who he has always been - I always wonder about how much we still don’t understand about CTE. Not excusing his actions or saying he should get a pass.
One in five (not a typo) Americans has a treatable mental health crisis* every year. I’m sure those stats spiked during lockdown. I’m seeing more compassion in this thread than is typical (think about past discussion on Justin Blackmon, Titus Young, Flash Gordon, Vick.) Anyway, we are making societal progress WRT mental health treatment. But I’m hoping that one day “I’m seeing a therapist” will be as blasé as revealing you went to the dentist. Still not there and the stigma still exists, especially amongst men.
*major/severe mental illness is a different ballgame and around 4-5% of the general population
One in five (not a typo) Americans has a treatable mental health crisis* every year. I’m sure those stats spiked during lockdown. I’m seeing more compassion in this thread than is typical (think about past discussion on Justin Blackmon, Titus Young, Flash Gordon, Vick.) Anyway, we are making societal progress WRT mental health treatment. But I’m hoping that one day “I’m seeing a therapist” will be as blasé as revealing you went to the dentist. Still not there and the stigma still exists, especially amongst men.
*major/severe mental illness is a different ballgame and around 4-5% of the general population
DocHolliday
Footballguy
He seemed like a loud mouth jerk to me. Sometimes I think we give celebrities and sports stars way too much credit.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I remember being so mad at Titus Young by the time he flamed out with the Lions, then reading an article about him a couple years later and realizing he was a very sick man
Cjw_55106
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Doug B
Footballguy
I guess I could could Google this ... but didn't Richard Sherman come forward with an account of dealing with depression a few years ago? Maybe right before or during his last season with the Seahawks?
EDIT: Looked around a bit ... guess it was someone else.
EDIT: Looked around a bit ... guess it was someone else.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Actually a very bright, thoughtful & articulate guy. I believe his reputation was undeserved. I recall Niner fans were not fans of his when he was on the Seahawks. My only issue with him was that the Niners didn't draft him.
I've heard numerous interviews with him - he is not a "jerk". Not by a long shot.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
So I followed this on sports radio while I was out and about yesterday. First off, that 9-11 call is an abomination & the operator is brutal. I get that she has a protocol & needs the address, but she wouldn't listen to a thing Sherman's wife had to say.
Second, the headlines are doing this a bit of a disservice. He threatened to harm himself. He never laid a finger on anyone else, nor did he threaten to do so. The "domestic violence" was attempting to break in. And no, that's not awesome either and I'm not defending that action, but the headlines made it sound like he beat up his wife (ex?) and that's just not what happened.
She called 9-11 concerned for his well being as he was clearly having an episode, and because of the times we live in she had to beg the 9-11 operator to make sure they didn't come shoot him because he's black. She was saying he was unarmed, and that he may be suicidal & the 9-11 operator kept interrupting so it was never clear the 9-11 operator got that message of "yes, he's breaking in and threatening self-harm, but he's not threatening us and please don't shoot him".
What a world. Very difficult situation. My thoughts are with the Sherman family, and I hope he gets the help he needs. Depression is very real & can be deadly. I have had some close calls with friends & family & it's nothing to make jokes about or disparage the man over.
Second, the headlines are doing this a bit of a disservice. He threatened to harm himself. He never laid a finger on anyone else, nor did he threaten to do so. The "domestic violence" was attempting to break in. And no, that's not awesome either and I'm not defending that action, but the headlines made it sound like he beat up his wife (ex?) and that's just not what happened.
She called 9-11 concerned for his well being as he was clearly having an episode, and because of the times we live in she had to beg the 9-11 operator to make sure they didn't come shoot him because he's black. She was saying he was unarmed, and that he may be suicidal & the 9-11 operator kept interrupting so it was never clear the 9-11 operator got that message of "yes, he's breaking in and threatening self-harm, but he's not threatening us and please don't shoot him".
What a world. Very difficult situation. My thoughts are with the Sherman family, and I hope he gets the help he needs. Depression is very real & can be deadly. I have had some close calls with friends & family & it's nothing to make jokes about or disparage the man over.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Yeah, the wife’s anxiety really came through in that article. Gotta be tough to simultaneously worry about self-harm and harm by the police.
As it happened, the cops knew who he was and bonded with him as a way to calm him down. Sounds like good police work. I would hope they would have done the same thing if he had been a random black dude named Sherman Richards. I suspect most cops would.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Not sure if you missed the part where he was in physical altercations with the uncle. That would also be domestic violence.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I heard her on the 9-11 call saying he wrested with the uncle, yes. She also said the uncle was attempting to stop Sherman from harming himself.
Not all "domestic violence" is the same, and my point was that he wasn't threatening his wife or kids. And the context of the altercation with the uncle is far more complicated than the term would imply.
"Uncle gets in tussle while preventing Sherman from self-harm" doesn't make as compelling a headline though.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He’s an investor in a technology company in Toronto that focuses on mental health care. He’s been making the rounds on CNBC et al this summer talking about mental health awareness. Not aware of him sharing his personal testimony about his own struggles (like say Brandon Marshall or Michael Phelps.)
It’s incredibly common yet still we talk around the edges. I guarantee you virtually everyone reading this thread has either experienced anxiety and/or depression or directly knows of someone going through it. We’re talking 40 million people a year experiencing anxiety disorder, 16 million battling depression. Every. Year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep - and it's called "the invisible killer" in part because those suffering it rarely communicate it to those around them.
The most common response to suicide is often surprise or shock by even those closest to the victim. "They seemed fine" or "they were always so happy" are such common responses, because people suffering from depression/anxiety often don't communicate their feelings for so many reasons - not wanting to appear weak, not wanting the stigma of mental disease associated with them, not wanting to be seen as less than capable of handing their problems.
And in the heat of the moment, small issues can be amplified into straws that break the camel's back.
I have been very fortunate to have only experienced that level of anxiety/depression twice in my life. The 1st time I was at a RUSH concert - where I should have been at my happiest, least stressed out self. And I couldn't shake this feeling of pending turbulence at work with my new boss, massive projects due that had some leaks in the timeline or budget - all totally normal stuff as a PM, but I got it in my head that the new boss would see these things are failures and I'd be let go for them - and to be fair, he was also a complete d-bag abusive boss who would start meetings like, "My budget for project management personnel is $xxx,xxx, and that represents the salaries of everyone at this table. They're asking me to cut $xx,xxx so your performance matters" so it wasn't completely irrational.
But after 2 years of it, it must have worn on me because I had something of a panic attack. I couldn't get warm no matter how many layers I wore, and I sat there shivering in 65 degree weather.
It only lasted a song or so, but it was a personal lesson in not judging anyone for saying they suffer depression/anxiety - I know first hand it can be crippling. And what I experienced was likely 1/100 of what most who suffer from depression/anxiety experience.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I hit the superfecta: anxiety, combat PTSD, depression and nightly insomnia. More fun than a barrel of monkeys.
It’s treatable and over the years I’ve learned to manage my mental illness. The VA has great programs that have helped a lot. Took me 30 years to figure out I was broken.
We met for beers in the city years ago, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear you say “I had no idea”, people are always surprised to learn I’m mentally ill. That is, if/when I disclose...its not like I’m a vegan or into CrossFit and feel the need to tell everyone about it.
There is tremendous power in owning your narrative. Flip the script from feeling shame to knowing you are impacting others lives in a positive manner. We can talk about this. Mental health and understanding how your thoughts, feelings and emotions affect you should be no different than educating yourself about the link between bad cholesterol and coronary disease.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just heard breaking news on the radio that Sherman has been ROR'd, with no bail.
He is only being charged with misdemeanor trespass, with some infractions (resisting arrest, vandalism, etc) presumably for his reaction to the police & whatever damage he did to the door.
The judge called him a pillar of the community in not setting bail & releasing him. He's due in court tomorrow AM.
Based on the charges he's unlikely to face any jail time for any of this, & I sincerely hope that he gets the help he needs, regardless of whether this is a psychiatric break, depression or alcoholism (or some combination of the 3)
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He is only being charged with misdemeanor trespass, with some infractions (resisting arrest, vandalism, etc) presumably for his reaction to the police & whatever damage he did to the door.
The judge called him a pillar of the community in not setting bail & releasing him. He's due in court tomorrow AM.
Based on the charges he's unlikely to face any jail time for any of this, & I sincerely hope that he gets the help he needs, regardless of whether this is a psychiatric break, depression or alcoholism (or some combination of the 3)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Updated the title.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Cool - he’s still not out of the woods legally. The DUI is gonna sting. Not like he doesn’t have the $ to take the edge off, but he may lose his license for 6 months as a mandatory sentence. Not sure about WA law these days. Most states have a mandatory minimum for DUI.
trespass goes away if the wife doesn’t press charges, I believe.
MM & resisting will both likely be handled with a fine, too. I doubt he sees day in jail since the judge sounds like a fan, based on his prior comments.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not going to watch the video. I’ve seen drunk people making bad decisions before. It’s never pretty. Sucks there’s video of It, tbh. yahoo just dropped this;
https://sports.yahoo.com/richard-sherman-video-in-laws-house-doors-niners-seahawks-nfl-023028502.html
https://sports.yahoo.com/richard-sherman-video-in-laws-house-doors-niners-seahawks-nfl-023028502.html
Mental illness and alcohol are bad dance partners. Probably upset that he’s not signed yet as well. Knowing he’s nearing the end of his playing days. I bet all of these things finally converged together and sent him over the edge. I wonder though if all the money he has to make things go away, will he really learn from this and better himself. Time will tell.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I literally just texted my friend that when she sent me that yahoo link. I said “alcohol & depression” but yeah, same thing. And it’s the damn truth.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The highlights are being run in a 3-5 second loop on some media outlets so you can see it without even clicking it.
People don't just drink 2 bottles of liquor, not sure if we're talking 750s or a couple of 200-375 from the store but no matter, 2 bottles is a lot and if you can get that much down then you drink a lot or you are prone to binge drinking so without getting deep into Sherman's head at the very least we can agree that he has a drinking problem. Takes one to know one so please don't think I'm standing on a soap box here. At the least he needs some one on one with a Psych Professional and get to why he feels the need to drink that much. Something triggered it and he needs to deal with it. I'm sure he wants to apologize to everyone involved that night.
I will say it is a terrible look but I hope Richard flips the script and takes time to meet with not the little ones but the 16-21 crowd that thinks they're badasses and show them some of this and how awful the mix of drugs with mental illness can be. You can look at the video in shock or you can admit that perhaps you've never truly acted in that manner but you may have done something terrible still or you said something to someone you wish you hadn't when you were not right in the head.
I'm not going to judge Sherman and certainly not on 1 instance that happens to be caught on film. Father-in-law seems to have had more then enough though, he had to leak that footage out to try and protect himself, that's an instant restraining order, and Sherman needs to really stay far away from that man, he seems scared for his life arming himself with a gun and mace to meet Sherman, he could have been killed breaking into that house, that's the sad reality for Richard.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, that's why I'm not gonna watch it.
Yes, that sounds a lot worse than they made it out to be on the radio, but that's how these things go - drip drip drip then the flood gates of information flow.
Seems like Sherman is battling depression & alcoholism. Or he just binge drank out of depression - also possible.
Someone above mentioned that teams weren't showing interest in him. I agree this could have been a catalyst. Pro athletes often struggle when the spotlight isn't on them any more, or when they're deemed washed.
He's such an articulate and intelligent man - I would think he could find work in the booth if he doesn't keep doing stuff like this. At least on NFL Network as an analyst. Some of the players I've disliked the most on the field have turned out to be excellent on a panel.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Is that fair? Father in Law arming himself, asking for help and then releasing the home video, are you saying this is not the first time Sherman has gotten drunk? I said something similar a few posts up where I said if he can get down two bottles of alcohol, that could kill some people but obviously he has a tolerance for this stuff.
I am not saying you're wrong.
need2know
Footballguy
He didn't just get drunk. He assaulted their front door and got violent. To me it looked like a guy who has done this type of thing before. they are leaking it because they are getting tired of dealing with his bs.
I'm sure there's stuff we don't know but man that's a bad look
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed. Even if he was drunk, remember the old adage: alcohol does not make you act out of character; it simply brings out the real person, especially since your natural instincts to not portray your worst traits do not kick in due to being inebriated. What we saw in that video is the real Richard Sherman, and that shouldn't surprise anyone that a guy who has spent his professional life trying to hit people at high speed has a lot of rage. You almost have to be filled with a lot of it in order to play football.
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Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Was Sherman trying to break into Crabtrees house?
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