Richardson/Bradshaw (1 Viewer)

[ImTheScientist]

Lets just go with the obvious; Indy DID NOT just give up a 1st round pick in order to have Trent Richardson touch the ball just 50/60/ 70 percent of the time. Soon as the routes/protection/playbook is firmly consumed Bradshaw's role will be to spell as Richardson is given all he can eat. Under that scenario Indy's run game improves overnight. I think sometimes you need to take the Team Owner into account as well. You are kidding yourself if you don't think Irsay is chomping at the bit to show this move off. I highly doubt he went along with this with some type of planned "time share".

Don't over-think this.

Thats only if Trent outperforms him. Trent has yet to show he is even worth the x2 #1 picks teams have not used on him. Bradshaw has a history of performance.

 

[fightingillini]

Lets just go with the obvious; Indy DID NOT just give up a 1st round pick in order to have Trent Richardson touch the ball just 50/60/ 70 percent of the time. Soon as the routes/protection/playbook is firmly consumed Bradshaw's role will be to spell as Richardson is given all he can eat. Under that scenario Indy's run game improves overnight. I think sometimes you need to take the Team Owner into account as well. You are kidding yourself if you don't think Irsay is chomping at the bit to show this move off. I highly doubt he went along with this with some type of planned "time share".

Don't over-think this.

This is just another reason to limit Richardson't touches. They gave up a 1st round pick. They have the option of picking up his extra year. Right now, they have 2 RB's that carry the football effectively. One of them is going to be part of their team for at least next few years. The other is probably going to be let go at the end of the season. Why have Richardson take a bunch of abuse, when you can use Bradshaw and then kick him to the curb?

As a Panthers fan, you should know what a RBBC full of individual talent looks like.

Because IND is playing to win now. Might as well see what Richardson has. The way I see it, IND drafted Richardson in 2014 with their 1st round pick but they're getting an early audition. If you're going to think that way, why not acquire a cheaper RB to help out and wear Bradshaw out, and keep your options open with your 1st round pick in 2014.

RBBCs don't matter much if the team is going to run the ball a lot, and IND seems to plan on doing that. I see it a 60-40 split between Richardson and Bradshaw, but 60% for Richardson should equal about 15-18 carries + 2-3 receptions and almost ALL of the goalline work.

Richardson should still be a solid RB1 while Bradshaw is a good flex play in PPR leagues.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Giant fan here...Bradshaw is excellent is pass protection...as good as any back in the league. His hands are decent out of the backfield. Bradshaw is quick (not fast) and has very good leverage/power for a smaller guy and runs very hard. he is a productive guy but expends an enormous amount of energy in his runs. He is more effective when he is limited and not carrying the load. his vision is very inconsistent though and goes the wrong way many times, but also has runs showing good vision form time to time (for example, from the limited amount of carries I have seen this year from G. Bernard, he seems to hit the soft spot almost every time). He also fumbles more than you would like (lost 7 in 2010 and 3 last year). I also think he put the ball on the ground a few more times but we recovered. It usually happens because of his fight for more yardage. Trent is a guy who you can lean on and IMO is a better running back all around based on a pile mover who has a solid base and had excellent balance. Based on their skillsets Trent should be the goal line back and normal downs guy with Bradshaw being more of a 3rd down guy and fill in when Trent needs a blow. I believe this is how it will shake out and it should keep Bradshaw healthier and more productive when he does play.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Both make fine starts this week in Jax. Next week home vs Sea may be much dicier.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

This is a 60/40 split at best for T Rich. If anyone thinks Bradshaw is going away you're kidding yourselves.

I agree. Until that chronic foot injury pops up again, Bradshaw's not going away.

Agree. Anyone discounting Bradshaw's injury history are also kidding themselves.

How about t-rich's injury history? Both of these guys always seem to be battling some type of injury or tweak--which is exactly why I think both will be used. I could see Indy using both to hopefully keep both fresh and injury free.

 

[Liquid Tension]

This is a 60/40 split at best for T Rich. If anyone thinks Bradshaw is going away you're kidding yourselves.

I agree. Until that chronic foot injury pops up again, Bradshaw's not going away.

Agree. Anyone discounting Bradshaw's injury history are also kidding themselves.

How about t-rich's injury history? Both of these guys always seem to be battling some type of injury or tweak--which is exactly why I think both will be used. I could see Indy using both to hopefully keep both fresh and injury free.

i think any coach should take guys out when they are tired and I am shocked coaches keep guys in after a 35 yard run and then have them get the ball again. i would always give them a blow after a tough run even if it is for one play. As for the injuries, i felt Bradshaw's were more specific and chronic rather than being banged up in different spots?

 

[VaTerp]

Interesting that Pagano suggests the RB rotation from week 3 will remain in place for this week.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7462/trent-richardson

I have no dog in this fight from a FF roster standpoint but I am a decidedly bigger fan of Bradshaw's ability and have long thought Richardson to be overrated. So I find rotoworld's added commentary here quite interesting as well. Richardson has done nothing to show me he has "far more difference making ability than Bradshaw."

In redrafts, it's even money in my book as to who has the better season.

 

[need2know]

Lets just go with the obvious; Indy DID NOT just give up a 1st round pick in order to have Trent Richardson touch the ball just 50/60/ 70 percent of the time. Soon as the routes/protection/playbook is firmly consumed Bradshaw's role will be to spell as Richardson is given all he can eat. Under that scenario Indy's run game improves overnight. I think sometimes you need to take the Team Owner into account as well. You are kidding yourself if you don't think Irsay is chomping at the bit to show this move off. I highly doubt he went along with this with some type of planned "time share".

Don't over-think this.

Thats only if Trent outperforms him. Trent has yet to show he is even worth the x2 #1 picks teams have not used on him. Bradshaw has a history of performance.

He's also has a long history of foot injuries. Bet he is not relevant in one month

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Lets just go with the obvious; Indy DID NOT just give up a 1st round pick in order to have Trent Richardson touch the ball just 50/60/ 70 percent of the time. Soon as the routes/protection/playbook is firmly consumed Bradshaw's role will be to spell as Richardson is given all he can eat. Under that scenario Indy's run game improves overnight. I think sometimes

you need to take the Team Owner into account as well. You are kidding yourself if you don't think Irsay is chomping at the bit to show this move off. I highly doubt he went along with this with some type of planned "time share".

Don't over-think this.

Thats only if Trent outperforms him. Trent has yet to show he is even worth the x2 #1 picks teams have not used on him. Bradshaw has a

history of performance.

He's also has a long history of foot injuries. Bet he is not relevant in one month

I'll take that bet. Yes, he has a long history of foot injuries, but you left out the part where he's proven willing and able to gut it out and play through the pain. He's never missed more than four games, yet you seem to think he'll be irrelevant before midseason despite the fact that his workload is probably going to be significantly less than it was just last year, when he handled a feature load in NY for 14 games.

 

[DoubleG]

"Coach Chuck Pagano said the running back rotation for Sunday's game at Jacksonville will be the same as it was in Week 3."

Per Rotoworld.

I'll probably roll them both out against the Jags. I could see lines of 12-15/80/1 for each against the putrid Jags....at least.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Lets just go with the obvious; Indy DID NOT just give up a 1st round pick in order to have Trent Richardson touch the ball just 50/60/ 70 percent of the time. Soon as the routes/protection/playbook is firmly consumed Bradshaw's role will be to spell as Richardson is given all he can eat. Under that scenario Indy's run game improves overnight. I think sometimes you need to take the Team Owner into account as well. You are kidding yourself if you don't think Irsay is chomping at the bit to show this move off. I highly doubt he went along with this with some type of planned "time share".

Don't over-think this.

Thats only if Trent outperforms him. Trent has yet to show he is even worth the x2 #1 picks teams have not used on him. Bradshaw has a history of performance.

He's also has a long history of foot injuries. Bet he is not relevant in one month

I don't own either so I'm completely impartial.

The Colts didn't acquire T-Rich to ride the pine, but they also don't intend on grinding him down to a stump either. Bradshaw (when healthy) is more then adequate to handle the rock... They didn't bring him on board to phase him out after week 3, especially after he has looked solid.

Look at Foster as an example that most teams have to see... You have a feature back that has been overused and a capable backup who has been underused - Now your feature back doesn't look as explosive and your quality backup is going to be leaving you.

This will end up being a 60/40 or 70/30, so he won't be completely irrelevant.

 

[pollardsvision]

This is a 60/40 split at best for T Rich. If anyone thinks Bradshaw is going away you're kidding yourselves.

I agree. Until that chronic foot injury pops up again, Bradshaw's not going away.

Agree. Anyone discounting Bradshaw's injury history are also kidding themselves.

How about t-rich's injury history? Both of these guys always seem to be battling some type of injury or tweak--which is exactly why I think both will be used. I could see Indy using both to hopefully keep both fresh and injury free.

i think any coach should take guys out when they are tired and I am shocked coaches keep guys in after a 35 yard run and then have them get the ball again. i would always give them a blow after a tough run even if it is for one play. As for the injuries, i felt Bradshaw's were more specific and chronic rather than being banged up in different spots?

Luckily, Pagano won't have that dilemma too often with Richardson.

 

[az_prof]

I think this backfield is going to be productive for both Richardson and Bradshaw. There's precedence for two RBs on the same team being top fantasy scorers. I think the split goes 65/35. The Indy passing game is going to create large gaps in defenses, and both RBs will do well if healthy.

This is how I see it too. They will both be fantasy worthy. Their relative value may shift from game to game, depending on the game specific strategy and flow of the game. In general, Richardson will be worth more in standard leagues and Bradshaw in PPR. And I agree with the poster who said that the real loser here may be Luck, as the team moves away from passing volume toward running volume.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I think this backfield is going to be productive for both Richardson and Bradshaw. There's precedence for two RBs on the same team being top fantasy scorers. I think the split goes 65/35. The Indy passing game is going to create large gaps in defenses, and both RBs will do well if healthy.

This is how I see it too. They will both be fantasy worthy. Their relative value may shift from game to game, depending on the game specific strategy and flow of the game. In general, Richardson will be worth more in standard leagues and Bradshaw in PPR. And I agree with the poster who said that the real loser here may be Luck, as the team moves away from passing volume toward running volume.

T-Rich is more valuable no matter what the scoring system is.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Richardson 250 - 925 - 10, 15 - 115 -0

Bradshaw 150 - 675 - 4, 35 - 280 - 2

As far as end of year. Considering the prices paid, Bradshaw owners should be OK with that. Richardson owners not so much, particularly in PPR.

 

[thatguythere]

This thread is going to be fun in a couple weeks.

 

[ImTheScientist]

This thread is going to be fun in a couple weeks.

 

[az_prof]

I think this backfield is going to be productive for both Richardson and Bradshaw. There's precedence for two RBs on the same team being top fantasy scorers. I think the split goes 65/35. The Indy passing game is going to create large gaps in defenses, and both RBs will do well if healthy.

This is how I see it too. They will both be fantasy worthy. Their relative value may shift from game to game, depending on the game specific strategy and flow of the game. In general, Richardson will be worth more in standard leagues and Bradshaw in PPR. And I agree with the poster who said that the real loser here may be Luck, as the team moves away from passing volume toward running volume.

T-Rich is more valuable no matter what the scoring system is.

This begs the question. The question is will T-Rich be worth more in PPR? What proof do you have? Based on the first game together, the proof would argue against you.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I think this backfield is going to be productive for both Richardson and Bradshaw. There's precedence for two RBs on the same team being top fantasy scorers. I think the split goes 65/35. The Indy passing game is going to create large gaps in defenses, and both RBs will do well if healthy.

This is how I see it too. They will both be fantasy worthy. Their relative value may shift from game to game, depending on the game specific strategy and flow of the game. In general, Richardson will be worth more in standard leagues and Bradshaw in PPR. And I agree with the poster who said that the real loser here may be Luck, as the team moves away from passing volume toward running volume.

T-Rich is more valuable no matter what the scoring system is.

This begs the question. The question is will T-Rich be worth more in PPR? What proof do you have? Based on the first game together, the proof would argue against you.

The game TRich played in 3 days after being traded to a new team, that is the proof against me?

TRich is worth more in any format, period... Not even worth discussing, we can rehash week 17.

 

[az_prof]

I think this backfield is going to be productive for both Richardson and Bradshaw. There's precedence for two RBs on the same team being top fantasy scorers. I think the split goes 65/35. The Indy passing game is going to create large gaps in defenses, and both RBs will do well if healthy.

This is how I see it too. They will both be fantasy worthy. Their relative value may shift from game to game, depending on the game specific strategy and flow of the game. In general, Richardson will be worth more in standard leagues and Bradshaw in PPR. And I agree with the poster who said that the real loser here may be Luck, as the team moves away from passing volume toward running volume.

T-Rich is more valuable no matter what the scoring system is.

This begs the question. The question is will T-Rich be worth more in PPR? What proof do you have? Based on the first game together, the proof would argue against you.

The game TRich played in 3 days after being traded to a new team, that is the proof against me?

TRich is worth more in any format, period... Not even worth discussing, we can rehash week 17.

Well, to be fair, it was only the second game that Bradshaw played with the team.

While you may be right, at this point you have nothing to say other than that...you are right.

 

[thehornet]

I think this backfield is going to be productive for both Richardson and Bradshaw. There's precedence for two RBs on the same team being top fantasy scorers. I think the split goes 65/35. The Indy passing game is going to create large gaps in defenses, and both RBs will do well if healthy.

This is how I see it too. They will both be fantasy worthy. Their relative value may shift from game to game, depending on the game specific strategy and flow of the game. In general, Richardson will be worth more in standard leagues and Bradshaw in PPR. And I agree with the poster who said that the real loser here may be Luck, as the team moves away from passing volume toward running volume.

T-Rich is more valuable no matter what the scoring system is.

This begs the question. The question is will T-Rich be worth more in PPR? What proof do you have? Based on the first game together, the proof would argue against you.

The game TRich played in 3 days after being traded to a new team, that is the proof against me?

TRich is worth more in any format, period... Not even worth discussing, we can rehash week 17.

Well, to be fair, it was only the second game that Bradshaw played with the team.While you may be right, at this point you have nothing to say other than that...you are right.

did aad not learn the playbook this preseason? I think there's a big difference.

 

[KCitons]

This thread is going to be fun in a couple weeks.

It will be for those that choose the right side. Which side are you on?

 

[SproutDaddy]

I don't understand many opinions in here. Those jumping on the Bradshaw train, do you own him? If not, are you trying to acquire him? If I owned him and not Richardson, I'd be trying to get what I could for him.

 

[Bayhawks]

I don't understand many opinions in here. Those jumping on the Bradshaw train, do you own him? If not, are you trying to acquire him? If I owned him and not Richardson, I'd be trying to get what I could for him.

What don't you understand? Bradshaw looks like he has more value than people believed after the trade last week. There are indications that RIchardson won't get ALL the carries, Bradshaw has looked good (this year, and throughout his career), and upon investigation (which I didn't do a lot of in preseason, as I didn't want anything to do with the Cleveland offense), RIchardson's performance last year (and to this point, this year) was underwhelming.

I don't own Bradshaw. I am trying to acquire him, but want to inquire about a different player, then "settle" for Bradshaw, or get him "thrown in.: If I can get him cheap, I think he'll be an excellent bye-week RB, and fairly regular flex play.

If I had him, I don't think I'd be able to trade him, because his perceived value is too low, IMO.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I think this backfield is going to be productive for both Richardson and Bradshaw. There's precedence for two RBs on the same team being top fantasy scorers. I think the split goes 65/35. The Indy passing game is going to create large gaps in defenses, and both RBs will do well if healthy.

This is how I see it too. They will both be fantasy worthy. Their relative value may shift from game to game, depending on the game specific strategy and flow of the game. In general, Richardson will be worth more in standard leagues and Bradshaw in PPR. And I agree with the poster who said that the real loser here may be Luck, as the team moves away from passing volume toward running volume.

I think Richardson could very well outscore Bradshaw almost 2-1 once he gets rolling. But I think this running game has the potential to generate a ton of points every week - and that would make Bradshaw valuable as a flex option.

 

[jdoggydogg]

By the way, Richardson had 51 catches in 2012. So don't assume that Bradshaw will steal all the passing downs.

 

[Bayhawks]

By the way, Richardson had 51 catches in 2012. So don't assume that Bradshaw will steal all the passing downs.

He was being pulled on 3rd downs in Cleveland for Chris Ogbonnaya, fer cryin' out loud! I think Bradshaw is a "little" better than that guy.

 

[jdoggydogg]

By the way, Richardson had 51 catches in 2012. So don't assume that Bradshaw will steal all the passing downs.

He was being pulled on 3rd downs in Cleveland for Chris Ogbonnaya, fer cryin' out loud! I think Bradshaw is a "little" better than that guy.

Right. But if you believe the fairy tale being spun by the Browns' organization, Richardson is not the talent we were promised.

I have to put this on the record:

By season's end, Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick.

 

[ghostguy123]

By the way, Richardson had 51 catches in 2012. So don't assume that Bradshaw will steal all the passing downs.

He was being pulled on 3rd downs in Cleveland for Chris Ogbonnaya, fer cryin' out loud! I think Bradshaw is a "little" better than that guy.

Right. But if you believe the fairy tale being spun by the Browns' organization, Richardson is not the talent we were promised.

I have to put this on the record:

By season's end, Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick.

I give this 1 in 1,000 odds. But, props for the bold claim.

I will say 1 in 50 maybe to be the #1 pick for DYNASTY leagues.

 

[ghostguy123]

Anybody playing BOTH guys this week againt Jacksonville??

Yes but mostly out of necessity. Although I don't feel too badly about it.

Probably f***ed for Week 5 vs Seattle though.

If I end up dealing for Bradshaw in my dynasty, I am thinking of playing him over Steve Johnson..................................ah who knows

 

[Bayhawks]

By the way, Richardson had 51 catches in 2012. So don't assume that Bradshaw will steal all the passing downs.

He was being pulled on 3rd downs in Cleveland for Chris Ogbonnaya, fer cryin' out loud! I think Bradshaw is a "little" better than that guy.

Right. But if you believe the fairy tale being spun by the Browns' organization, Richardson is not the talent we were promised.

I have to put this on the record:

By season's end, Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick.

Or if you believe what can be seen by watching Browns (and now 1 Colts') games over the past 19 games.

 

[False Start]

By the way, Richardson had 51 catches in 2012. So don't assume that Bradshaw will steal all the passing downs.

He was being pulled on 3rd downs in Cleveland for Chris Ogbonnaya, fer cryin' out loud! I think Bradshaw is a "little" better than that guy.

Right. But if you believe the fairy tale being spun by the Browns' organization, Richardson is not the talent we were promised.

I have to put this on the record:

By season's end, Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick.

Or if you believe what can be seen by watching Browns (and now 1 Colts') games over the past 19 games.

No way in the world will Trent be #1 value. This is a committee in Indy like it or not. Coaches out think themselves all the time and I have no doubt in my mind Pagano will do the same and see value in giving the ball to Bradshaw. I really do believe they gave up a first for a waterboy. He just said on ESPN that his plan is to even out the pitch count for both runners. This is about to be a mess. For Bradshaw to out touch Richardson after they paid a first for him up to speed or not is very telling. Its not like Trent was injured or missed time, he just switched teams who can clearly tell him his assignment in the huddle if he was not catching on.

 

[False Start]

I don't understand many opinions in here. Those jumping on the Bradshaw train, do you own him? If not, are you trying to acquire him? If I owned him and not Richardson, I'd be trying to get what I could for him.

Own both in separate leagues. Happier to have Bradshaw then Trent right now. I would give Trent away for a sandwich right now since I forgot to bring a lunch to work. I turned down a trade for Trent for Jamaal before week 1 needless to say I made an epic mistake. 3 weeks into the season and and a trade to a better team and Trent is not worth a roster spot if his name was not Trent Richardson. I changed my mind and still wish he was in Cleveland. His 1 yard TD was easy to see coming especially on his first carry as that is how it goes. Nothing in Cleveland first Carry a TD in Indy, then nothing again on 12 carries. He just ain't good sorry Trent fans he is lucky to even be drafted as a #1 RB next year period in fantasy.

 

[SproutDaddy]

If I knew I had the 1.01 next year I'd definitely trade the pick for Trent.

 

[False Start]

If I knew I had the 1.01 next year I'd definitely trade the pick for Trent.

Based off what? His upside or hype? We have seen how that worked out with everyone's excitement for Wilson and Miller. a first for a guy who splits carries and won't catch too many passes is crazy.

 

[Bayhawks]

If I knew I had the 1.01 next year I'd definitely trade the pick for Trent.

Next year, Richardson will likely be "The Man" in Indy. They might have another RB to be the RB2, but it likely won't be Bradshaw, or a RB of his caliber and talent. Therefore, Richardson should get more carries and receptions next year. I would not be shocked at the end of the 2014 NFL season (assuming he stays healthy) if Richardson had 350+ touches.

That being said, unless Richardson improves markedly on his YPC the rest of this season, he won't be worth the 1.01 pick. 300 carries at 3.5 YPC =1050 yards. Even if you give him 50 catches at 8 YPR, that's only another 400 yards. Be generous and give him 15 TDs, and you have 1450 total yards and 15 TDs, or 235 FF points. That would have made him RB 5 or 6 over each of the last 5 seasons. No way I'd pick Richardson over Peterson, McCoy, or Charles (and there's a few others I'd think would probably be more valuable, as well). Even if Richardson improves his YPC to 4.0, you're still only talking about 1600 total YFS. That isn't #1 overall pick production.

 

[MDSkinner]

If I knew I had the 1.01 next year I'd definitely trade the pick for Trent.

Based off what? His upside or hype? We have seen how that worked out with everyone's excitement for Wilson and Miller. a first for a guy who splits carries and won't catch too many passes is crazy.

Maybe I am missing something but didn't he catch 50 balls last year? The split carries argument is solid but I am not sure that he is not going to catch many passes based on his one year in the league where he did a good bit of it. Something like 5th or 6th among RB receptions I believe.

 

[Bayhawks]

If I knew I had the 1.01 next year I'd definitely trade the pick for Trent.

Based off what? His upside or hype? We have seen how that worked out with everyone's excitement for Wilson and Miller. a first for a guy who splits carries and won't catch too many passes is crazy.

Maybe I am missing something but didn't he catch 50 balls last year? The split carries argument is solid but I am not sure that he is not going to catch many passes based on his one year in the league where he did a good bit of it. Something like 5th or 6th among RB receptions I believe.

He was being pulled in Cleveland on 3rd downs, and he is currently sharing time with another RB who is a very good pass-catcher, and one of the best (if not the best) pass-blocking RB in the game. It is unlikely he will get 50 catches this year. Even if you assume he returns to that level next year when Bradshaw is likely gone, though, he doesn't generate enough yardage to merit the #1 overall pick.

 

[False Start]

I was considering trading for the guy several times this week. I still think he'll be "the man" in Indy this year...but the more I think about it, it might be a few weeks before that happens. Maybe not till the midway point of the season. The coach says they will keep the same split and so I wonder if that might happen for at least a few more weeks until they are confident Trent has the offense under control.

It just became a big mess for Trent owners when Bradshaw got 22 touches a week after the Colts traded a first for the 3rd overall pick from last year's draft who got 51 catches and over 1300 yards last year with 12 total scores. If you have to work him in your game plan or get him a RB up to speed, thats an issue. Adjust now Trent owners instead of waiting give yourself a shot this year you spent too much on his draft spot get what you can before he is just another guy.

 

[Hoosier16]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7462/trent-richardson

So I find rotoworld's added commentary here quite interesting as well. Richardson has done nothing to show me he has "far more difference making ability than Bradshaw."

For their respective careers, Bradshaw has had a 20+ yard run about every 30 carries and a first down about every 4 carries. TRich has had a 20+ yard run every 150 carries and a first down about every 8 carries. I wonder what they are referring to when they use the term "difference-making ability"?

 

[MDSkinner]

If I knew I had the 1.01 next year I'd definitely trade the pick for Trent.

Based off what? His upside or hype? We have seen how that worked out with everyone's excitement for Wilson and Miller. a first for a guy who splits carries and won't catch too many passes is crazy.

Maybe I am missing something but didn't he catch 50 balls last year? The split carries argument is solid but I am not sure that he is not going to catch many passes based on his one year in the league where he did a good bit of it. Something like 5th or 6th among RB receptions I believe.

He was being pulled in Cleveland on 3rd downs, and he is currently sharing time with another RB who is a very good pass-catcher, and one of the best (if not the best) pass-blocking RB in the game. It is unlikely he will get 50 catches this year. Even if you assume he returns to that level next year when Bradshaw is likely gone, though, he doesn't generate enough yardage to merit the #1 overall pick.

I think if someone is willing to give up the 1.01 next year for Richardson (which was the argument that was being made), it is because they believe he has the potential to be the back that catches 50 balls (as he did last year) and because they probably see him as someone who has the potential to be a 1000 yard rusher with 12 TD's and who can do that year after year for an extended period. I don't personally see him making those numbers this year, but since he did make them last year ,on what I think most would consider a lesser team, it is not unreasonable to think that he could get to that point again under the right conditions and potentially even better. If you are one that feels that way, then why would he not merit the 2014 1.01?

If you are arguing that he does not merit the #1 overall redraft pick this year, then I think pretty much everyone would agree with you on that today (and very few would have disputed that heading into the season). But in speaking Dynasty and a 2014 #1 rookie, he certainly seems like he would be worth that to me.

 

[3nOut]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7462/trent-richardson

So I find rotoworld's added commentary here quite interesting as well. Richardson has done nothing to show me he has "far more difference making ability than Bradshaw."

For their respective careers, Bradshaw has had a 20+ yard run about every 30 carries and a first down about every 4 carries. TRich has had a 20+ yard run every 150 carries and a first down about every 8 carries. I wonder what they are referring to when they use the term "difference-making ability"?

Bradshaw never played for Cleveland and TRich never played on a SB caliber team.

 

[Hoosier16]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7462/trent-richardson

So I find rotoworld's added commentary here quite interesting as well. Richardson has done nothing to show me he has "far more difference making ability than Bradshaw."

For their respective careers, Bradshaw has had a 20+ yard run about every 30 carries and a first down about every 4 carries. TRich has had a 20+ yard run every 150 carries and a first down about every 8 carries. I wonder what they are referring to when they use the term "difference-making ability"?

Bradshaw never played for Cleveland and TRich never played on a SB caliber team.

Obviously, I get that. But those numbers aren't even close. In addition, the other RBs for Cleveland have had a 20+ run about every 30 carries over the last 2 years (3 in 95).

 

[False Start]

I was considering trading for the guy several times this week. I still think he'll be "the man" in Indy this year...but the more I think about it, it might be a few weeks before that happens. Maybe not till the midway point of the season. The coach says they will keep the same split and so I wonder if that might happen for at least a few more weeks until they are confident Trent has the offense under control.

It just became a big mess for Trent owners when Bradshaw got 22 touches a week after the Colts traded a first for the 3rd overall pick from last year's draft who got 51 catches and over 1300 yards last year with 12 total scores. If you have to work him in your game plan or get him a RB up to speed, thats an issue. Adjust now Trent owners instead of waiting give yourself a shot this year you spent too much on his draft spot get what you can before he is just another guy.

 Are you still trolling? He'll be fine in Indy. Any player coming to a new team mid season needs more than a couple of days to learn the offense.

No but you look to be with typical trolling responses like "He'll be fine in Indy" and "Any player coming to a new team mid season needs more than a couple of days to learn the offense"

 

[Bayhawks]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7462/trent-richardson

So I find rotoworld's added commentary here quite interesting as well. Richardson has done nothing to show me he has "far more difference making ability than Bradshaw."

For their respective careers, Bradshaw has had a 20+ yard run about every 30 carries and a first down about every 4 carries. TRich has had a 20+ yard run every 150 carries and a first down about every 8 carries. I wonder what they are referring to when they use the term "difference-making ability"?

Bradshaw never played for Cleveland and TRich never played on a SB caliber team.

Bradshaw didn't play for a SB caliber team in 2012, so let's compare their 2012 production.

Bradshaw: 64 first downs in 244 touches (221 rush, 23 rec)=26% 1st down conversion rate.

Richardson: 54 first downs in 318 touches (267 rush, 51 rec)=17% 1st down conversion rate.

Bradshaw:7 plays of 20+ yards (out of 244 touches)= 1 20+ yard play/35 touches

Richardson 7 plays of 20+ yards (out of 318 touches)= 1 20+ yard play/45 touches

 

[ImTheScientist]

This back and forth about Trent's statistics doesn't mean much right now. He was not just on a bad football team, he was on a horrible football team with no other weapons. If in a few weeks from now his stats are similar, then you have a point. But for now it doesn't mean much to his current situation.

I take this as meaning "since the stats don't favor me and further my arguement we should ignore them".

 

[Welshie]

My read is this:

1) As long as the Cotls are playing well, there's not going to be a drastic change in the RB situation. They'll continue to use both and ride the hot hand. Bradshaw carved up the Niners last week. If he starts gashing the Jags this week, he'll stay in the game just like last week.

2) As long as both are healthy, they'll use both. It'll never be much more than a 60/40 split one way or another unless one guy is running very well in a game while the other isn't (i.e. Bradshaw last week).

3) First and foremost, for Richardson's role to increase, he's got to learn the pass protection schemes. They will limit his snaps until they're confident he won't get Luck killed. Richardson's been on the team about a week. I'd say 1 to 2 more weeks before they're comfortable with him.

4) Regardless of how many touches Richardson gets, he should get consistent goalline looks. He's the power back here. Both he and Bradshaw got goalline looks last week, but the sense I got from the game was that they left Bradshaw in to get his late touchdown because if felt like he deserved it with how hard he ran. Generally speaking, I think most goalline looks go to Richardson.

5) For Richardson to really take hold of this job, he's got to show more than he showed in Cleveland. He's got to have some type of burst and average more YPC. If he is what he was in Cleveland, they'll continue to use both situationally

6) Bradshaw will almost certainly get hurt with any type of extensive workload.

I honestly think Richardson is going to be very hit or miss for the next few weeks. He's a TD threat, but if he doesn't score, you're not getting a lot from 12 carries, 48 yds and maybe 1 rec for 7 yds.

If the Colts weren't playing the Jags this week I'd honestly have given a lot of thought to benching him for Bilal Powell.

He'll get his opportunity as the season goes on, though, and as has been pointed out many times, Bradshaw likely gets hurt at some point. If he looks great as the bell cow back, they won't go back to Bradshaw as anything more than a change of pace.

When that happens though, who knows. I have no problem playing matchups week to week for now with Richardson, but I'd target him as a buy low because he should get a shot later in the season, and should be pretty productive. Could be money in the fantasy playoffs.

 

[TheLurkerBelow]

My read is this:

1) As long as the Cotls are playing well, there's not going to be a drastic change in the RB situation. They'll continue to use both and ride the hot hand. Bradshaw carved up the Niners last week. If he starts gashing the Jags this week, he'll stay in the game just like last week.

2) As long as both are healthy, they'll use both. It'll never be much more than a 60/40 split one way or another unless one guy is running very well in a game while the other isn't (i.e. Bradshaw last week).

3) First and foremost, for Richardson's role to increase, he's got to learn the pass protection schemes. They will limit his snaps until they're confident he won't get Luck killed. Richardson's been on the team about a week. I'd say 1 to 2 more weeks before they're comfortable with him.

4) Regardless of how many touches Richardson gets, he should get consistent goalline looks. He's the power back here. Both he and Bradshaw got goalline looks last week, but the sense I got from the game was that they left Bradshaw in to get his late touchdown because if felt like he deserved it with how hard he ran. Generally speaking, I think most goalline looks go to Richardson.

5) For Richardson to really take hold of this job, he's got to show more than he showed in Cleveland. He's got to have some type of burst and average more YPC. If he is what he was in Cleveland, they'll continue to use both situationally

6) Bradshaw will almost certainly get hurt with any type of extensive workload.

I honestly think Richardson is going to be very hit or miss for the next few weeks. He's a TD threat, but if he doesn't score, you're not getting a lot from 12 carries, 48 yds and maybe 1 rec for 7 yds.

If the Colts weren't playing the Jags this week I'd honestly have given a lot of thought to benching him for Bilal Powell.

He'll get his opportunity as the season goes on, though, and as has been pointed out many times, Bradshaw likely gets hurt at some point. If he looks great as the bell cow back, they won't go back to Bradshaw as anything more than a change of pace.

When that happens though, who knows. I have no problem playing matchups week to week for now with Richardson, but I'd target him as a buy low because he should get a shot later in the season, and should be pretty productive. Could be money in the fantasy playoffs.

I love this post, and I too have to make the decision of who to start between TRich and B Powell. I think the only difference in my perspective is that I believe that after the next two games of about 50-50 we'll end up seeing a 70-30 split in T Rich's favor, mostly to keep Bradshaw healthy and ensure they have two power backs available for a playoff run the team is expecting.

 

[Bayhawks]

This back and forth about Trent's statistics doesn't mean much right now. He was not just on a bad football team, he was on a horrible football team with no other weapons. If in a few weeks from now his stats are similar, then you have a point. But for now it doesn't mean much to his current situation.

I take this as meaning "since the stats don't favor me and further my arguement we should ignore them".

 No. The guy put up a lot of yards and TD's last year on an awful football team while having busted ribs. No need to look over every statistic category because one year on a terrible football team is not enough data to make a solid case one way or the other.

This seems to reinforce what Scientist suggested. You want to use the yards and TDs he put up last year to support your position, but you want to ignore those stats from last year that don't. That's pretty much what he said.

 

[False Start]

 

 

I was considering trading for the guy several times this week. I still think he'll be "the man" in Indy this year...but the more I think about it, it might be a few weeks before that happens. Maybe not till the midway point of the season. The coach says they will keep the same split and so I wonder if that might happen for at least a few more weeks until they are confident Trent has the offense under control.

It just became a big mess for Trent owners when Bradshaw got 22 touches a week after the Colts traded a first for the 3rd overall pick from last year's draft who got 51 catches and over 1300 yards last year with 12 total scores. If you have to work him in your game plan or get him a RB up to speed, thats an issue. Adjust now Trent owners instead of waiting give yourself a shot this year you spent too much on his draft spot get what you can before he is just another guy.

 Are you still trolling? He'll be fine in Indy. Any player coming to a new team mid season needs more than a couple of days to learn the offense.

No but you look to be with typical trolling responses like "He'll be fine in Indy" and "Any player coming to a new team mid season needs more than a couple of days to learn the offense"

 Yeah cause those are typical troll responses.

This is my last post to you cause I don't want to crap up this board arguing with a troll.

I broke the news on this site about Trent getting moved, how is that for being a Troll. Yet you continue to argue with everyone. Next time you want to call names make sure its not so easy to turn around on you. Trolls don't break news, they argue useless points, like yourself.

Oh and learn how to use the quote function.