Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Bayhawks saying blah blah all day and BOOM, he's a ghost with toe jam breath.
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Richardson/Bradshaw (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Bayhawks
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sketchy...this wreaks of an elway/tebow situation that the colts brass are taking an opportunity to nip in the bud.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
In all seriousness, no. They just made a big splash to get Trent and they are going to put him on a pitch count? If anything, they are setting Frank Gore's rushing stats from last night as the bar.
Not sure what you mean. Try actually reading the thread. I've stated NUMEROUS times that if Richardson does well, he will relegate Bradshaw to a backup role.
Read the thread genius. I posted several times within minutes of him being out. Sorry I was out of the thread for 1/2 hour.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
you got some toe jam stuck in your teeth, don't forget to floss!
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you don't know what the phrase "foot in the mouth" means.Try reading the thread (if you are able to do so). I never posted that Bradshaw was going to be the lead RB. I never posted that Bradshaw was going to stay injury free. What I posted was that Bradshaw might take more of the carries than people (myself included) expected, therefore making Trent less valuable. I also posted several times that if Trent has a good performance this weekend, he would relegate Bradshaw to a strictly back-up role.
Please link to any post of mine where I stated anything that would lead me to have my foot in the mouth. If you are unable to do so, please try to post your juvenile attempts at humor elsewhere.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
JFS171
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JFS171
Footballguy
Dude who are you? Get a life... this is ridiculous. I don't have the time to pick apart your #### and respond to each little comment.Bayhawks said:
This is the EXACT type of back-and-forth that I previously referred to a #### measuring contest -- only that time it was False Start, Jah 77, yourself, and others.
I stated my opinion. Live with one that's different than yours.
<<Insert spew about how I'm wrong again>>
Got it. You're on a FF MESSAGE board, but you don't have the time to respond to comments (i.e.-message). That makes sense, I guess?
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Perfect storm for Richardson this week with Bradshaw out and facing a bad team with the worst run defense in the NFL. Multiple TDs and well over 150 YFS looks pretty likely barring Indy being able to clear the benches early in the second half nursing a big lead. Of course I happen to be playing against him in one of my main dynos.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I agree with this and add another component to this perfect storm. Indy's taken a lot of criticism to go with some praise, basically a mixed bag of reviews on that deal that sent there #1 pick next year to Cleveland. I'm sure Irsay would love nothing more than parade his prize pony in front of God and the world in a coming out Colts party. This thing has "showcase" written all over it. No pressure T-Rich owners. Sell now if you have any doubts. Gore's 150+ yard rushing game is the yardstick. I'd put the O/U at 150 and 1.5 TDs.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
You're seriously asking this? Who would you take from this past year's rookie draft over him? Who would you take over him in next year's crop? No one! Worrying about splitting carries and YPA won't help you win titles. He WAS Cleveland's offense last year while playing with cracked ribs. He caught 50 passes. There's no doubt in my mind he will be the man in Indy. This past week he saw a significant amount of touches with only 4 days to learn the playbook. He will get better. What did Bradshaw do the previous 2 weeks? Nothing. Ballard was used more than he was.
BTW, Bradshaw is hurt again and will not play this weeks. Sound familiar?
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jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I own Richardson and I think he'll do very well in Indy. But I strongly disagree with this statement. If Bradshaw is healthy, he'll get a lot of work in this offense. Even if that's a 2-1 split, there will still be upside with Bradshaw when he plays.
False Start
Footballguy
Plain and simple. This is going to be a very telling game for him. How he does in this one game against this one team means a lot to how people will view his career going forward in my opinion.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Sure. Let me clarify. If RIchardson does well, and Bradshaw gets healthy, I could see a 70/30, or even 80/20 split in his favor, whereas if he doesn't do well, it might stay closer to 60/40, or 55/45.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Was just reading at NFL.com the Colts are in a wait and see with Bradshaw after this week, this injury may linger and keep him out longer than this week.
Anything to say now? Your "MINIMUM" guarantee from the other thread wasn't even close, and Richardson, despite going up against one of the worst teams in the NFL, could only average 3 YPC. You don't have the "Cleveland sucks" line to defend his average play, so how do we explain it?
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Bayhawks...Lewis is a tool of epic proportions, why do you feel you need to keep defending yourself? Richardson is a bad NFL RB..great college rb but just bad in the NFL..99.99% of all people in the shark pool agree...the only one who doesnt is Baghdad Bob, aka K. Lewis. he wont accept facts but keeps spewing BS in the threads here in the SP... you're better than this, Bayhawks. just put KL on ignore. he's a loser.Bayhawks said:
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
http://Indy Star Bradshaw speculation
The Indianapolis Colts are hopeful but concerned regarding the immediate and long-term status of Ahmad Bradshaw, according to a team source.
Ideally, the neck injury suffered by the veteran running back at San Francisco Sept. 22 will heal on its own with treatment and rest. However, the source added there is a level of concern that surgery might be required, which would bring into question Bradshaw’s status for the remainder of the season.
The Indianapolis Colts are hopeful but concerned regarding the immediate and long-term status of Ahmad Bradshaw, according to a team source.
Ideally, the neck injury suffered by the veteran running back at San Francisco Sept. 22 will heal on its own with treatment and rest. However, the source added there is a level of concern that surgery might be required, which would bring into question Bradshaw’s status for the remainder of the season.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Since I started this thread to guage Richardson's value, I thought I'd bump it, and try to get it back to that question.
Richardson looked decent at the end of yesterday's game, when the Colts were killing the clock. However, he looked very ordinary up to that point. He's not going to provide FF RB1 value if he is getting most of his yards as a "clock-killer."
Now I know that they were facing Seattle, but Donald Brown looked pretty good yesterday. That does, however, have to be taken with a grain of salt, because they were used in different situations. However, after 3 games with Indy (2 without Bradshaw, with Richardson the "main" RB), Richardson has:
51 carries (17/game; 19/game if you exclude the 1st game RBBC with Bradshaw)
151 rush yards (50/game; 58/game if you exclude the 1st game)
1 reception for 6 yards
2 rushing TDs
The carries look good (they'd average out to between 272-304 over 16 games), and the TDs look good, but the YPC, yards, and receptions/rec yards are all quite low. Richardson isn't going to be a FF savior with these kinds of stats; however, if you can get him for a decent cost, he could help some teams.
Now he has faced SF and Seattle, but he also had Jax in there, and he hasn't really looked great against any of them (or against the Dolphins or Ravens when in Cleveland). His remaining schedule features 5 teams in the bottom 3rd of the league (with regards to defending the run), two that are in the top 3rd of the league (actually top-5), and 3 average run defenses (excluding the 2nd game against Jax, because it is in week 17).
I think some of his owners may be getting worried, and if you can get Richardson for a low WR1/high WR2 (depending on your other WRs), he could be a decent RB2/flex play. I don't think he's going to carry any teams, but he has a shot of punching in a short TD most weeks, and if the Colts get up, perhaps he could get some clock-killing yards. I wouldn't trade any top WRs or top RBs for him, but he does have some value, especially if Bradshaw opts for the neck surgery.
Richardson looked decent at the end of yesterday's game, when the Colts were killing the clock. However, he looked very ordinary up to that point. He's not going to provide FF RB1 value if he is getting most of his yards as a "clock-killer."
Now I know that they were facing Seattle, but Donald Brown looked pretty good yesterday. That does, however, have to be taken with a grain of salt, because they were used in different situations. However, after 3 games with Indy (2 without Bradshaw, with Richardson the "main" RB), Richardson has:
51 carries (17/game; 19/game if you exclude the 1st game RBBC with Bradshaw)
151 rush yards (50/game; 58/game if you exclude the 1st game)
1 reception for 6 yards
2 rushing TDs
The carries look good (they'd average out to between 272-304 over 16 games), and the TDs look good, but the YPC, yards, and receptions/rec yards are all quite low. Richardson isn't going to be a FF savior with these kinds of stats; however, if you can get him for a decent cost, he could help some teams.
Now he has faced SF and Seattle, but he also had Jax in there, and he hasn't really looked great against any of them (or against the Dolphins or Ravens when in Cleveland). His remaining schedule features 5 teams in the bottom 3rd of the league (with regards to defending the run), two that are in the top 3rd of the league (actually top-5), and 3 average run defenses (excluding the 2nd game against Jax, because it is in week 17).
I think some of his owners may be getting worried, and if you can get Richardson for a low WR1/high WR2 (depending on your other WRs), he could be a decent RB2/flex play. I don't think he's going to carry any teams, but he has a shot of punching in a short TD most weeks, and if the Colts get up, perhaps he could get some clock-killing yards. I wouldn't trade any top WRs or top RBs for him, but he does have some value, especially if Bradshaw opts for the neck surgery.
JFS171
Footballguy
I think it's fair to be concerned as Richardson owners, of which I am one in literally every single league. The only solace in this situation is that Bradshaw may not play again this year, and the Colts offense is a strong unit that should move the ball on most teams. Richardson's looked quite pedestrian, or at least that's what the stats tell me. I've not been able to see the games myself, but from comments on twitter and others in this thread and on this message board, he looks hesitant.
Theoretically, that could improve as he grows more comfortable in the scheme... I suppose the installation of new schemes often takes a full preseason, and Richardson's now had two full weeks of practices and games after a two day cram session and game against the 49ers. We all know that running success often requires the line and back to flow together like a unit, and timing is crucial. Trent's absolutely nearing the end of his "training camp" phase with the new offense - potentially we can expect better days when the defenses aren't SF and SEA and he's fully up to speed and emersed in practice with the o-line... and admittedly that's adopting a glass-half-full view of this situation.
What's most disappointing to me is the lack of involvement in the passing game. I think most expected Trent with at least 40+ receptions after the 50+ he put up last year, but that's not happening barring a complete change of the gameplan. Now thankfully, for as long as Brashaw is out, there's not a substantial threat on the roster to his workload, and I can't see the Colts acquiring another RB after dealing a first for Trent. I believe that gives him a pretty high floor most weeks in terms of 50+ yards and a TD every other week, if not weekly. The Colts will move the ball, should give Trent goalline opportunities, and seem willing to stick with the run game despite poor results.
As a result, I don't think I'd sell low, especially in dynasty. In redraft, I agree with bayhawks that you could potentially get a deal on the guy. He's not been what was expected, but he could get better. Even if he stays the same, I would argue the perceived market value of the guy is currently below his true value as a safe RB2.
Again, not what we hoped for, and I'm sure I'm not alone in hoping for more... but he's not completely useless either.
Theoretically, that could improve as he grows more comfortable in the scheme... I suppose the installation of new schemes often takes a full preseason, and Richardson's now had two full weeks of practices and games after a two day cram session and game against the 49ers. We all know that running success often requires the line and back to flow together like a unit, and timing is crucial. Trent's absolutely nearing the end of his "training camp" phase with the new offense - potentially we can expect better days when the defenses aren't SF and SEA and he's fully up to speed and emersed in practice with the o-line... and admittedly that's adopting a glass-half-full view of this situation.
What's most disappointing to me is the lack of involvement in the passing game. I think most expected Trent with at least 40+ receptions after the 50+ he put up last year, but that's not happening barring a complete change of the gameplan. Now thankfully, for as long as Brashaw is out, there's not a substantial threat on the roster to his workload, and I can't see the Colts acquiring another RB after dealing a first for Trent. I believe that gives him a pretty high floor most weeks in terms of 50+ yards and a TD every other week, if not weekly. The Colts will move the ball, should give Trent goalline opportunities, and seem willing to stick with the run game despite poor results.
As a result, I don't think I'd sell low, especially in dynasty. In redraft, I agree with bayhawks that you could potentially get a deal on the guy. He's not been what was expected, but he could get better. Even if he stays the same, I would argue the perceived market value of the guy is currently below his true value as a safe RB2.
Again, not what we hoped for, and I'm sure I'm not alone in hoping for more... but he's not completely useless either.
hxperson
Footballguy
Watching the game yesterday I felt that Luck didn't have any faith in Trich as a checkdown. When Donald Brown was in there he looked for Brown as an outlet most of the time, but when Trich was there he never looked once even though Trent appeared open a few times. With Trich, Luck focused mostly on TY Hilton whenever he needed an outlet, and then Fleener. Hilton was getting open pretty easily so in some ways Luck never had to look Trich's way, but Luck didn't behave the same way when Brown was in...JFS171 said:
It might take a while for Luck to develop that trust with Trich, but in the near term I'm not expecting Trich to be a factor in the passing game.
