Richardson/Bradshaw (1 Viewer)

[False Start]

Here's some stats for you who are going on and on as if this means something. Trent had more TD's in his rookie year than Bradshaw ever had in any one season. Trent had more total yards in his rookie year than Bradshaw in all but one season.

Bradshaw had more yards and touches last week. That one was unbelievably easy.

 

[jdoggydogg]

By the way, Richardson had 51 catches in 2012. So don't assume that Bradshaw will steal all the passing downs.

He was being pulled on 3rd downs in Cleveland for Chris Ogbonnaya, fer cryin' out loud! I think Bradshaw is a "little" better than that guy.

Right. But if you believe the fairy tale being spun by the Browns' organization, Richardson is not the talent we were promised.

I have to put this on the record:

By season's end, Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick.

Or if you believe what can be seen by watching Browns (and now 1 Colts') games over the past 19 games.

Go ahead and tell me that the Browns are the same team as the Colts.

It's possible that Adrian Peterson could be dominant on any team - he's that special. But most players thrive on teams where talent + opportunity = success. I'm not going to rehash question of Richardson's talent. I'm simply saying that he just landed in the perfect situation, and he's going to be driven to prove Cleveland made a big mistake.

 

[jdoggydogg]

By the way, Richardson had 51 catches in 2012. So don't assume that Bradshaw will steal all the passing downs.

He was being pulled on 3rd downs in Cleveland for Chris Ogbonnaya, fer cryin' out loud! I think Bradshaw is a "little" better than that guy.

Right. But if you believe the fairy tale being spun by the Browns' organization, Richardson is not the talent we were promised.

I have to put this on the record:

By season's end, Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick.

Or if you believe what can be seen by watching Browns (and now 1 Colts') games over the past 19 games.

No way in the world will Trent be #1 value. This is a committee in Indy like it or not. Coaches out think themselves all the time and I have no doubt in my mind Pagano will do the same and see value in giving the ball to Bradshaw. I really do believe they gave up a first for a waterboy. He just said on ESPN that his plan is to even out the pitch count for both runners. This is about to be a mess. For Bradshaw to out touch Richardson after they paid a first for him up to speed or not is very telling. Its not like Trent was injured or missed time, he just switched teams who can clearly tell him his assignment in the huddle if he was not catching on.

How many RBs get all the team's carries? Three? Peterson, McCoy, and Martin. That's about it. CJ Spiller was a top five fantasty RB last year in a timeshare.

 

[jdoggydogg]

By the way, if you use Richardson's 3.5 yards per carry average in Cleveland as an argument against Richardson, that's just lazy. This presumes that overall talent on offense does not sway a player's effectiveness. The Browns are a terrible offensive team and Indy is one of the most talented offensive teams.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Here's a critical factor in Richardson's development as a player: if this guy starts using his size every down, he's going to be a monster.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Here's some stats for you who are going on and on as if this means something. Trent had more TD's in his rookie year than Bradshaw ever had in any one season. Trent had more total yards in his rookie year than Bradshaw in all but one season.

Trent is a compiler. He did well last year (FF-wise) based on volume under the old Cleveland regime that had pushed all their chips into the middle on him by paying a ton to move up and draft him a few months prior. From an NFL standpoint, he was mediocre. His YPC and YAC were terrible. TDs are the most volatile statistic by far in FF, and they are a function of usage rather than talent. If you get a bunch of goal-line plunges, you get a bunch of TDs. That's how guys like Leroy Hoard carry short term value based on their role as a goal-line hammer. It's not because they are massive difference making talents.

In 2013, a new regime comes into Cleveland, with no ties or preconceptions to anyone there. They see these guys through training camp. They proceed to give Richardson less work, then trade him for what they can get. Trent shows up in Indy, and through one week at least, is far less effective than the other guy on the roster, who happens to be one of the best 3rd down RBs in the league.

No one should be closing the book on Richardson yet, obviously. But as more and more people are starting to see, the bulk of the evidence is starting to paint a pretty unfavorable picture of Trent Richardson, as far as his chances of being an elite NFL RB. The Colts are a good well-run team; they're competing for a playoff spot -- if Trent continues to bumble along at < 4 YPC while is performing better, they're not going to just bench the more effective player to protect the GM's ego.

 

[Bayhawks]

 

This back and forth about Trent's statistics doesn't mean much right now. He was not just on a bad football team, he was on a horrible football team with no other weapons. If in a few weeks from now his stats are similar, then you have a point. But for now it doesn't mean much to his current situation.

I take this as meaning "since the stats don't favor me and further my arguement we should ignore them".

 No. The guy put up a lot of yards and TD's last year on an awful football team while having busted ribs. No need to look over every statistic category because one year on a terrible football team is not enough data to make a solid case one way or the other.

This seems to reinforce what Scientist suggested. You want to use the yards and TDs he put up last year to support your position, but you want to ignore those stats from last year that don't. That's pretty much what he said.

 You don't know how to read. I finished by saying it doesn't make a solid case one way or the other.

Comparing a guy who's played a full career to a guy who's played a rookie year on an awful team is a waste of time. But if you feel that is solid analysis then continue to waste your time. Doesn't matter to me, I was just pointing it out.

Yes, I do. You point out the stats you think are important, then dismiss the rest saying they are a waste of time. It's blatant and obvious card-stacking. You can try to pretend that you weren't doing that, but you were.

 

[Bayhawks]

Here's some stats for you who are going on and on as if this means something. Trent had more TD's in his rookie year than Bradshaw ever had in any one season. Trent had more total yards in his rookie year than Bradshaw in all but one season.

And here you go again, posting stats that support your position), after repeatedly saying that they don't matter.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

No one should be closing the book on Richardson yet, obviously. But as more and more people are starting to see, the bulk of the evidence is starting to paint a pretty unfavorable picture of Trent Richardson, as far as his chances of being an elite NFL RB. The Colts are a good well-run team; they're competing for a playoff spot -- if Trent continues to bumble along at < 4 YPC while is performing better, they're not going to just bench the more effective player to protect the GM's ego.

He hasn't even had a full week with his new team yet so of course they shouldn't be closing the book on him. There is no bulk of evidence yet as he just arrived in Indy. I agree completely that if he is outperformed by Bradshaw he will not get more carries for the heck of it. But I have to see a few games with Indy first. Just like Trent may not have done enough to earn the hype he gets...Bradshaw is getting a whole lot of hype for a guy who is a pretty solid player in his roles during his career, but not a superstar.

I weigh his brutally bad efficiency metrics in Cleveland far more than what he did behind the same o-line that got Mark effing Ingram drafted in the 1st round at Alabama. YMMV.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Indy has a much better offense, sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a better FF situation. Bradshaw >>> silent G etc. And the coaches / Holmgren who fed Trent at the goal line and in the passing game didn't come to Indy in his suitcase as far as I know.

 

[Bayhawks]

By the way, Richardson had 51 catches in 2012. So don't assume that Bradshaw will steal all the passing downs.

He was being pulled on 3rd downs in Cleveland for Chris Ogbonnaya, fer cryin' out loud! I think Bradshaw is a "little" better than that guy.

Right. But if you believe the fairy tale being spun by the Browns' organization, Richardson is not the talent we were promised.

I have to put this on the record:

By season's end, Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick.

Or if you believe what can be seen by watching Browns (and now 1 Colts') games over the past 19 games.

Go ahead and tell me that the Browns are the same team as the Colts.

It's possible that Adrian Peterson could be dominant on any team - he's that special. But most players thrive on teams where talent + opportunity = success. I'm not going to rehash question of Richardson's talent. I'm simply saying that he just landed in the perfect situation, and he's going to be driven to prove Cleveland made a big mistake.

You THINK it is the perfect situation. If Richardson is sharing carries in Indy, then it's not a perfect situation. And it's already been reported that he is going to share carries with Bradshaw. Even if he is as talented as you think he is (he's not), he is not going to have the opportunity to put up the numbers he would need to to merit the #1 overall pick in 2014.

So, by your own definition, talent+opportunity=success. You think he has elite talent (I disagree), but he isn't going to have the opportunity he needs to become the #1 pick next year.

 

[Bayhawks]

By the way, Richardson had 51 catches in 2012. So don't assume that Bradshaw will steal all the passing downs.

He was being pulled on 3rd downs in Cleveland for Chris Ogbonnaya, fer cryin' out loud! I think Bradshaw is a "little" better than that guy.

Right. But if you believe the fairy tale being spun by the Browns' organization, Richardson is not the talent we were promised.

I have to put this on the record:

By season's end, Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick.

Or if you believe what can be seen by watching Browns (and now 1 Colts') games over the past 19 games.

No way in the world will Trent be #1 value. This is a committee in Indy like it or not. Coaches out think themselves all the time and I have no doubt in my mind Pagano will do the same and see value in giving the ball to Bradshaw. I really do believe they gave up a first for a waterboy. He just said on ESPN that his plan is to even out the pitch count for both runners. This is about to be a mess. For Bradshaw to out touch Richardson after they paid a first for him up to speed or not is very telling. Its not like Trent was injured or missed time, he just switched teams who can clearly tell him his assignment in the huddle if he was not catching on.

How many RBs get all the team's carries? Three? Peterson, McCoy, and Martin. That's about it. CJ Spiller was a top five fantasty RB last year in a timeshare.

Real quick-you wouldn't take Peterson, McCoy, or Martin over Richardson with the #1 pick? If so, that makes him, at best, the #4 (and that's WAY too high, IMO).

 

[Bayhawks]

Here's some stats for you who are going on and on as if this means something. Trent had more TD's in his rookie year than Bradshaw ever had in any one season. Trent had more total yards in his rookie year than Bradshaw in all but one season.

And here you go again, posting stats that support your position), after repeatedly saying that they don't matter.

See how anyone can pull out stats to make a case. They don't matter in this case. That's my point. It's about situation and opportunity moreso than stats. Trent was in an awful situation and made a solid rookie year out of it. Now he's in a far better situation with a team that believes enough in him to spend a number 1 pick on him. Bradshaw is a decent player, not a superstar. I don't need stats to figure out who has the better chance of succeeding here.

No one (that I can tell) is suggesting that Bradshaw will put up better numbers than Richardson (Richardson' GL opps alone should see to that). However, you keep talking about opportunity. Bradshaw's presence is going to limit Richardson's opportunities. This is going to keep him from being the stud you envision. His high ranking this off-season was largely due to the belief that he was going to get ALL the work he could handle in Cleveland. That isn't going to happen in Indy.

 

[jdoggydogg]

By the way, Richardson had 51 catches in 2012. So don't assume that Bradshaw will steal all the passing downs.

He was being pulled on 3rd downs in Cleveland for Chris Ogbonnaya, fer cryin' out loud! I think Bradshaw is a "little" better than that guy.

Right. But if you believe the fairy tale being spun by the Browns' organization, Richardson is not the talent we were promised.

I have to put this on the record:

By season's end, Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick.

Or if you believe what can be seen by watching Browns (and now 1 Colts') games over the past 19 games.

No way in the world will Trent be #1 value. This is a committee in Indy like it or not. Coaches out think themselves all the time and I have no doubt in my mind Pagano will do the same and see value in giving the ball to Bradshaw. I really do believe they gave up a first for a waterboy. He just said on ESPN that his plan is to even out the pitch count for both runners. This is about to be a mess. For Bradshaw to out touch Richardson after they paid a first for him up to speed or not is very telling. Its not like Trent was injured or missed time, he just switched teams who can clearly tell him his assignment in the huddle if he was not catching on.

How many RBs get all the team's carries? Three? Peterson, McCoy, and Martin. That's about it. CJ Spiller was a top five fantasty RB last year in a timeshare.

Real quick-you wouldn't take Peterson, McCoy, or Martin over Richardson with the #1 pick? If so, that makes him, at best, the #4 (and that's WAY too high, IMO).

Well of course Peterson, McCoy, and Martin are all more valuable than Richardson at this moment. I'm saying Richardson could vault into that coversation by year's end.

 

[Bayhawks]

Well of course Peterson, McCoy, and Martin are all more valuable than Richardson at this moment. I'm saying Richardson could vault into that coversation by year's end.

That's not what you said. You posted that:

I have to put this on the record:
By season's end, Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick.

If you want to back-track now, and argue that you think he'll play well enough to be in the discussion, I still disagree, but that can be defended. The actual statement you was not defensible, as there are several RBs who will be obviously ahead of him.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Well of course Peterson, McCoy, and Martin are all more valuable than Richardson at this moment. I'm saying Richardson could vault into that coversation by year's end.

That's not what you said. You posted that:

I have to put this on the record:
By season's end, Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick.

If you want to back-track now, and argue that you think he'll play well enough to be in the discussion, I still disagree, but that can be defended. The actual statement you was not defensible, as there are several RBs who will be obviously ahead of him.

No. Not obviously. Probably. You're saying that the top three will probably be ahead of Richardson by year's end. If this hobby always meshed with probability, it'd be a lot easier. All we can do as dynasty owners is attempt to predict the future.

 

[Bayhawks]

On the previous page I agreed that I think there might be a split similar to what we saw last week, one that could go on for the next few weeks, while he learns the offense, and that it made me worry about trying to aquire him in a trade. I do think Bradshaws presence will likely limit him inintially because of that. Where we would disagree is that I don't think that will continue as the season goes on. Neither of us can prove that, whether he will or won't, and there seems to be mixed opinions about it. So we'll just have to wait and see. We should have far more info over the next few weeks.
If a Richardson owner could have fed on the hype last week to sell him high in a redraft, that would seem reasonable. And people wanting to acquire Richardson low, might be able to in a week or two depending on what things look like. But overall I feel like Trent will be the man coming out of their bye week and have a pretty good end season run for his owners.

I started this thread to look into the value of obtaining Richardson or Bradshaw. I don't think acquiring Richardson would be worth it. His owners value him too highly, and the cost would be too high.

Prior to this last week, I hadn't done much investigation into Richardson, as I wanted nothing to do with him at his ADP. Not because I thought he sucked, but because I liked the other players who should have been available at that point in the draft. When I started this thread, I started to research, and what I found doesn't look good for Richardson. I've said it, and other posters have said it: he's a compiler. Like Eddie George, if he gets a lot of work, he will put up significant FF points. But if he's not going to get a lot of work, his FF value goes way down.

I also researched Bradshaw, and he is greatly under-rated.

Since his rookie year (2007), he is 8th among ALL NFL RBs with at least 600 carries (100/year).

He's a great pass-blocker, good receiver, good short-yardage runner.

Those things are going to keep Bradshaw on the field. If Bradshaw is on the field, it's likely Richardson is not. If Richardson isn't on the field, he can't compile stats. If Richardson can't compile stats, he's not going to be a top RB.

Will he be a RB2? Almost definitely? Will he be a RB1? Doubtful. Will he be #1 RB picked in 2014? I can't see it happening.

 

[Bayhawks]

Well of course Peterson, McCoy, and Martin are all more valuable than Richardson at this moment. I'm saying Richardson could vault into that coversation by year's end.

That's not what you said. You posted that:

I have to put this on the record:
By season's end, Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick.

If you want to back-track now, and argue that you think he'll play well enough to be in the discussion, I still disagree, but that can be defended. The actual statement you was not defensible, as there are several RBs who will be obviously ahead of him.

No. Not obviously. Probably. You're saying that the top three will probably be ahead of Richardson by year's end. If this hobby always meshed with probability, it'd be a lot easier. All we can do as dynasty owners is attempt to predict the future.

agreed. I should have said probably.

That doesn't change the fact that the direction this thread turned with regards to Richardson and the #1 pick was due to you definitively stating that "Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick." If you want to backtrack and say you only think he'll be in the conversation, I still disagree, but it is more defensible.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I'd like some end of year projections on both Richardson and Bradshaw from the pro-Richardson side -- I want to see what he'll do to justify some of the absurdity being thrown around out here.

I also love how Norv Turner has morphed from the RB genius that was the reason to take Trent first overall to yet another excuse offered up in Trent's defense. Within two weeks LOL.

 

[az_prof]

A major component of how well these two backs will do comes down to this question: Is Cleveland or Indy right about how good Richardson is? If you think Richardson is an average talent, then he will not outperform Bradshaw, and as long as Bradshaw is healthy, Bradshaw will have 50% or more of the plays. If you think Richardson is an elite talent and was held down by his teammates in Cleveland, then you think he will get more and more of the usage as he learns the offense and presumably does better than Bradshaw.

How do we know right now whether Richardson is average or elite? We don't.

On the one hand we have his elite draft status last year. We have his physical stature, which is impressive. We have the fact that he carried the ball over 300 times last year and was able to be a bell weather even though hurt.

On the other hand, we have the fact that he didn't have many big plays or a good average despite a large number of attempts. And we have the fact that the team that drafted him gave up on him after one season and traded him away for far less than they paid to get him. We also have one game with his new team where he was good but not great and where Bradshaw looked better.

There is another question that factors in to how you judge this situation: how good is Bradshaw and how likely is he to miss significant time due to injury?

On the one hand, supporters will point to how many big plays Bradshaw has made, his high ypc over a fairly long career, his above average blocking and catching, and his impressive running style. They can also point to how he out performed Richardson in the only game where they both played with the same team. Finally, regarding injury, they can point to how he has played despite being hurt and has not missed that many games over his career--in fact, he isn't "injury prone."

On the other hand, critics will say he is injury prone. Honestly, I don't know how they can fault his running or past performance, which is impressive--other than saying that he isn't elite like Peterson or McCoy or MJD. They can point to his feet as a chronice injury and how he missed preseason to rest his feet.

It seems to me that as long as Bradshaw is as successful as he has been through most of his career that he is going to get at least 50% of the snaps, most of the passing and receiving. It is quite possible that owners of both may be disappointed, ala Williams/Stewart owners of recent years. It is also possible that they will both be happy owners as Stewart/Williams owners were in 2010.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Well of course Peterson, McCoy, and Martin are all more valuable than Richardson at this moment. I'm saying Richardson could vault into that coversation by year's end.

That's not what you said. You posted that:

I have to put this on the record:
By season's end, Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick.

If you want to back-track now, and argue that you think he'll play well enough to be in the discussion, I still disagree, but that can be defended. The actual statement you was not defensible, as there are several RBs who will be obviously ahead of him.

No. Not obviously. Probably. You're saying that the top three will probably be ahead of Richardson by year's end. If this hobby always meshed with probability, it'd be a lot easier. All we can do as dynasty owners is attempt to predict the future.

agreed. I should have said probably.

That doesn't change the fact that the direction this thread turned with regards to Richardson and the #1 pick was due to you definitively stating that "Richardson will have vaulted to 2014's #1 overall fantasy pick." If you want to backtrack and say you only think he'll be in the conversation, I still disagree, but it is more defensible.

I don't get paid to give fantasy advice, and I am totally content to be wrong about this. So I see no value in backtracking.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

On the previous page I agreed that I think there might be a split similar to what we saw last week, one that could go on for the next few weeks, while he learns the offense, and that it made me worry about trying to aquire him in a trade. I do think Bradshaws presence will likely limit him inintially because of that. Where we would disagree is that I don't think that will continue as the season goes on. Neither of us can prove that, whether he will or won't, and there seems to be mixed opinions about it. So we'll just have to wait and see. We should have far more info over the next few weeks.

If a Richardson owner could have fed on the hype last week to sell him high in a redraft, that would seem reasonable. And people wanting to acquire Richardson low, might be able to in a week or two depending on what things look like. But overall I feel like Trent will be the man coming out of their bye week and have a pretty good end season run for his owners.

I started this thread to look into the value of obtaining Richardson or Bradshaw. I don't think acquiring Richardson would be worth it. His owners value him too highly, and the cost would be too high.

Prior to this last week, I hadn't done much investigation into Richardson, as I wanted nothing to do with him at his ADP. Not because I thought he sucked, but because I liked the other players who should have been available at that point in the draft. When I started this thread, I started to research, and what I found doesn't look good for Richardson. I've said it, and other posters have said it: he's a compiler. Like Eddie George, if he gets a lot of work, he will put up significant FF points. But if he's not going to get a lot of work, his FF value goes way down.

I also researched Bradshaw, and he is greatly under-rated.

Since his rookie year (2007), he is 8th among ALL NFL RBs with at least 600 carries (100/year).

He's a great pass-blocker, good receiver, good short-yardage runner.

Those things are going to keep Bradshaw on the field. If Bradshaw is on the field, it's likely Richardson is not. If Richardson isn't on the field, he can't compile stats. If Richardson can't compile stats, he's not going to be a top RB.

Will he be a RB2? Almost definitely? Will he be a RB1? Doubtful. Will he be #1 RB picked in 2014? I can't see it happening.

You could be right about Trent being a compiler, a guy who only gets it done with a high amount of work. But my main issue with it is we only have his rookie season on an awful team where he was the only weapon they had. So I don't

think it's wise to assume that what you saw in his rookie season is all he is. I know that's all we have to go on right now, but numbers based on limited data is not enough for me to say that's all he is. I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt based on being a rookie in that siutation. I

could easily be wrong and if I am it won't be the first time.

Bradshaw is definitely a solid player when he's healthy, no doubt about it. Maybe I'm not giving him enough credit. That's possible.

You are right that Trent owners are asking a lot and it might not be worth it. I can't blame them, they paid a really high pick for him and he has some hype right now.

And no, I agree that it's very unlikely he'll be the #1 RB pick in 2014.

He might not finish in the top 12 because he started poorly and might have a few weeks with

Bradshaw eating into his workload, but I think he'll be putting up solid RB1 numbers down the stretch after he gets fully integrated into the offense. We'll see. It will be fun to see how it plays out either way.

I disagree with some of it, but it's an eminently reasonable position to take.

The multiple people in here calling him the best overall player in fantasy football based on nothing outside of "zomg!!!?#% He's Trent effing Richardson man!!!?#%*" on the other hand...

 

[Bob Barker]

I know it was Richardsons first game back but if you watched the game without knowing which RB was which, 100% of people would have said Bradshaw was the far better RB in pretty much every aspect of the game. With Trent still learning the playbook and Bradshaw looking good, the coaches at going to give bradshaw so decent work the next few weeks. So give in another 2 weeks, if Bradshaw is still outplaying Trent, then why would the coaches give Trent a hugh workload and keep bradshaw on the bench even though they gave up a 1st for him. We will have to wait a few weeks to see how this willl play out

 

[jdoggydogg]

I know it was Richardsons first game back but if you watched the game without knowing which RB was which, 100% of people would have said Bradshaw was the far better RB in pretty much every aspect of the game. With Trent still learning the playbook and Bradshaw looking good, the coaches at going to give bradshaw so decent work the next few weeks. So give in another 2 weeks, if Bradshaw is still outplaying Trent, then why would the coaches give Trent a hugh workload and keep bradshaw on the bench even though they gave up a 1st for him. We will have to wait a few weeks to see how this willl play out

I think it's fair to say that both RBs will be successful in this offense, and I think Indy is good enough to give both RBs a ton of touches.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

This thread sucks. But here's some actual news. Sorta. Hopefully he practices tomorrow.

Ahmad Bradshaw (neck) remained out of Colts practice Thursday.
Bradshaw had his neck examined during Sunday's win, but stayed in the game. His absence is likely just a matter of the Colts managing a creaky veteran's reps. We expect Bradshaw to be active against the Jags' league worst run defense. Sep 26 - 2:18 PM

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I know it was Richardsons first game back but if you watched the game without knowing which RB was which, 100% of people would have said Bradshaw was the far better RB in pretty much every aspect of the game. With Trent still learning the playbook and Bradshaw looking good, the coaches at going to give bradshaw so decent work the next few weeks. So give in another 2 weeks, if Bradshaw is still outplaying Trent, then why would the coaches give Trent a hugh workload and keep bradshaw on the bench even though they gave up a 1st for him. We will have to wait a few weeks to see how this willl play out

I think it's fair to say that both RBs will be successful in this offense, and I think Indy is good enough to give both RBs a ton of touches.

Not trying to be a jerk, but how is this remotely consistent with saying Richardson is the best overall player in fantasy football, which was your position a few posts up? Are they going to have the best young QB in football throw 10 times / game and run it 600 times the rest of the way? If Bradshaw is getting "a ton of touches" Trent is in no way going 1st overall in any format next year.

 

[Bob Barker]

I know it was Richardsons first game back but if you watched the game without knowing which RB was which, 100% of people would have said Bradshaw was the far better RB in pretty much every aspect of the game. With Trent still learning the playbook and Bradshaw looking good, the coaches at going to give bradshaw so decent work the next few weeks. So give in another 2 weeks, if Bradshaw is still outplaying Trent, then why would the coaches give Trent a hugh workload and keep bradshaw on the bench even though they gave up a 1st for him. We will have to wait a few weeks to see how this willl play out

I think it's fair to say that both RBs will be successful in this offense, and I think Indy is good enough to give both RBs a ton of touches.

Not trying to be a jerk, but how is this remotely consistent with saying Richardson is the best overall player in fantasy football, which was your position a few posts up? Are they going to have the best young QB in football throw 10 times / game and run it 600 times the rest of the way? If Bradshaw is getting "a ton of touches" Trent is in no way going 1st overall in any format next year.

If Bradshaw keeps playing like he did Sunday and Trent plays better id say it may be a 60/40 split in favor of Trent. Which isnt close to the 85/15 split that a true stud RB and top 3 fantasy RB gets

 

[JFS171]

This thread sucks. But here's some actual news. Sorta. Hopefully he practices tomorrow.

Ahmad Bradshaw (neck) remained out of Colts practice Thursday.
Bradshaw had his neck examined during Sunday's win, but stayed in the game. His absence is likely just a matter of the Colts managing a creaky veteran's reps. We expect Bradshaw to be active against the Jags' league worst run defense. Sep 26 - 2:18 PM

This is what you can count on - Bradshaw will get banged up if they use him that much... period.

 

[Bayhawks]

This thread sucks. But here's some actual news. Sorta. Hopefully he practices tomorrow.

Ahmad Bradshaw (neck) remained out of Colts practice Thursday.
Bradshaw had his neck examined during Sunday's win, but stayed in the game. His absence is likely just a matter of the Colts managing a creaky veteran's reps. We expect Bradshaw to be active against the Jags' league worst run defense. Sep 26 - 2:18 PM

This is what you can count on - Bradshaw will get banged up if they use him that much... period.

If you are using past history as a predictor of the future (as you appear to be), than you can also count on Bradshaw playing (and playing well), despite not practicing and being on the injury report.

That being said, Bradshaw isn't in NY anymore, and I don't know if that is how this situation will play out. Does Pagano have the trust in him to go out and play on Sundays/Mondays despite not practicing much, as Coughlin seemed to? I don't know if that's the case. If it's not, and he doesn't play, this is Richardson's chance: play well, put up good numbers, continue to protect the QB, and he could re-establish himself as "the man" that everyone thought he was gonna be in Indy before last week's game. If Bradshaw doesn't play, and Richardson doesn't put up good numbers, then the time-sharing idea will gain strength.

 

[DoubleG]

A few points:

1) If I am going to "trust" an organization's talent evaluation, I feel more comfortable counting on the Colts front office than on Cleveland's. The same holds true for the coaching staff and player usage.

2) In some ways, I think the jury is still out on TRich. He was highly touted as one of the best RBs coming out of college since ADP - but then his NFL production didn't match up with the hype, and honestly wasn't that close. Was that because he is simply not that good? Or was it because he was playing through injury? Or was Cleveland not using him well/didn't have the talent around him to allow him to succeed? Is it some combo of the 3? Which factors are the largest reasons for his lack of success? Honestly, I think it is more 2 & 3 (injury and Cleveland being awful) - but not quite as talented is a possibility that still looms.

3) The Colts know what they have in Bradshaw to a large extent - a very good RB who is a great pass blocker, but somewhat injury prone. They are about to learn what they have in TRich over the next few weeks (and likely aren't sure due to #2 above). Honestly, I don't think Pagano is sure - I think he hopes and feels strongly that Tren was injured and misused (or at least not surrounded by enough talent)... he better, he gave up a 1st round pick for him.

All of that said, I find this entire situation absolutely fascinating. If Trent succeeds and is anywhere near the player he was expected to be coming out of college, then it probably costs many Cleveland front office guys jobs - if they still have them by that time. Oddly, it's lose-lose to some extent for the Browns, because if Trent is not "special" and just really turns out to be the "thunder" to Bradshaw's lightning in a RBBC, then the Browns were right...but only the 2nd time. They were wrong to draft him that high. Now obviously, realizing their mistake would be a good thing.

For this week, I think it would be prudent to play both (or either). The Jags are bad. Both RBs could have a big day. And quite honestly, I don't think the Colts are sure who will have the "hot hand" or who will look better - so it's hard for us to do so. But I do think that whichever side of the fence your on in regards to TRich, you have a decent chance of being right. I am not sold that he is the "next ADP" - but it takes more than a poor performance in an injury-riddled season on an awful offense run by a bad front office to convince me that he definitely is not.

 

[JFS171]

This is what you can count on - Bradshaw will get banged up if they use him that much... period.

If you are using past history as a predictor of the future (as you appear to be), than you can also count on Bradshaw playing (and playing well), despite not practicing and being on the injury report.

That being said, Bradshaw isn't in NY anymore, and I don't know if that is how this situation will play out. Does Pagano have the trust in him to go out and play on Sundays/Mondays despite not practicing much, as Coughlin seemed to? I don't know if that's the case. If it's not, and he doesn't play, this is Richardson's chance: play well, put up good numbers, continue to protect the QB, and he could re-establish himself as "the man" that everyone thought he was gonna be in Indy before last week's game. If Bradshaw doesn't play, and Richardson doesn't put up good numbers, then the time-sharing idea will gain strength.

I wasn't planning on getting involved in the #### measuring contest up thread, but in response to this - yes. In his past, Bradshaw's always played through pain until he ended up on IR around week 10 or 12. It'd be a little early for him this year to miss this week, but it also took him 9+ months to adequately recover from a procedure that had a stated 10-week recovery timeline by the physicians. That seems a little odd to me. Multiple very smart front offices passed on the guy (NYG, DEN, PIT, GB) before he finally signs for what amounts to a 1-year prove-it deal in Indy. He couldn't wrest the starting job all for himself from Vick Ballard, a guy most of us agree is a mediocre talent, even if Ballard did work hard and was a team favorite.

So with all that as the background, the team (post-Ballard injury) goes out and trades a future first rounder for Trent Richardson, a top-3 pick from the year before -- a talent that many evaluators said was the best pure talent at the RB position to enter the league since Peterson. Now, yes, Trent underperformed in Cleveland last year, but his underperforming year still accumulated 1200+ yards, 50+ receptions, and 12 TDs. Yes - compiled stats as the lead guy, but also played behind a sub-par line with a sub-par (at best) coordinator and a borderline non-existant passing game and broken ribs. His efficiency stats weren't great, but until I see him post poor efficiency metrics with an average line and a solid passing game so the defense isn't expecting him to get the ball every time, I'm not throwing in the towel on the guy.

Add all that up, and I'm quite frankly surprised people have convinced themselves that Bradshaw is the guy to own here. Some posts in this thread make it sound as if you'd rather own Bradshaw than Richardson, which seems insane to me. Given all we know (Bradshaw's offseason, training camp, and early season work + Trent's draft pedigree, acquisition cost, and production despite broken ribs and a poor situation last year) I'm expecting Trent to be the lead back and get 65-70% of the work. I'm not saying Bradshaw disappears, and he may even carry flex value the rest of the way, but I'll gladly side with Trent.

One week of data after Trent spent 3 days on the team just doesn't sway me as much as it appears to sway others.

 

[Bayhawks]

A few points:

1) If I am going to "trust" an organization's talent evaluation, I feel more comfortable counting on the Colts front office than on Cleveland's. The same holds true for the coaching staff and player usage.

1-At first, I'd agree with you. But remember, this is the franchise that drafted Donald Brown in the first round. They let Peyton Manning walk into FA (under extenuating circumstances, but they did let him walk), they also went into 2011 with Curtis Painter as their backup behind Manning, and had to scramble to pick up Kerry Collins. So while I also agree the Colts are better talent evaluators, it almost looks like they are "not as bad."

2) In some ways, I think the jury is still out on TRich. He was highly touted as one of the best RBs coming out of college since ADP - but then his NFL production didn't match up with the hype, and honestly wasn't that close. Was that because he is simply not that good? Or was it because he was playing through injury? Or was Cleveland not using him well/didn't have the talent around him to allow him to succeed? Is it some combo of the 3? Which factors are the largest reasons for his lack of success? Honestly, I think it is more 2 & 3 (injury and Cleveland being awful) - but not quite as talented is a possibility that still looms.

Cleveland used him A LOT last year; one could make the argument that the surrounding talent held him back, but the O-line was pretty good last year, and historically teams with bad passing games have been able to produce good RBs, so I'm not sure I buy that. As far as the injury goes, I've already posted that Richardson has better YPC numbers when he was dealing with that rib injury than in the healthy games before and after the injury.

3) The Colts know what they have in Bradshaw to a large extent - a very good RB who is a great pass blocker, but somewhat injury prone. They are about to learn what they have in TRich over the next few weeks (and likely aren't sure due to #2 above). Honestly, I don't think Pagano is sure - I think he hopes and feels strongly that Tren was injured and misused (or at least not surrounded by enough talent)... he better, he gave up a 1st round pick for him.

Agreed. That's why Richardson could have a big opportunity if Bradshaw can't go this week; he will be able to "prove" that he can be the only RB Indy needs, and relegate Bradshaw to more of a back-up role. If Bradshaw can't go, but Richardson underwhelms, he might solidify the time-share for the rest of the year.

 

[Bayhawks]

This is what you can count on - Bradshaw will get banged up if they use him that much... period.

If you are using past history as a predictor of the future (as you appear to be), than you can also count on Bradshaw playing (and playing well), despite not practicing and being on the injury report.

That being said, Bradshaw isn't in NY anymore, and I don't know if that is how this situation will play out. Does Pagano have the trust in him to go out and play on Sundays/Mondays despite not practicing much, as Coughlin seemed to? I don't know if that's the case. If it's not, and he doesn't play, this is Richardson's chance: play well, put up good numbers, continue to protect the QB, and he could re-establish himself as "the man" that everyone thought he was gonna be in Indy before last week's game. If Bradshaw doesn't play, and Richardson doesn't put up good numbers, then the time-sharing idea will gain strength.

I wasn't planning on getting involved in the #### measuring contest up thread, but in response to this - yes. In his past, Bradshaw's always played through pain until he ended up on IR around week 10 or 12. It'd be a little early for him this year to miss this week, but it also took him 9+ months to adequately recover from a procedure that had a stated 10-week recovery timeline by the physicians. That seems a little odd to me. Multiple very smart front offices passed on the guy (NYG, DEN, PIT, GB) before he finally signs for what amounts to a 1-year prove-it deal in Indy. He couldn't wrest the starting job all for himself from Vick Ballard, a guy most of us agree is a mediocre talent, even if Ballard did work hard and was a team favorite.

So with all that as the background, the team (post-Ballard injury) goes out and trades a future first rounder for Trent Richardson, a top-3 pick from the year before -- a talent that many evaluators said was the best pure talent at the RB position to enter the league since Peterson. Now, yes, Trent underperformed in Cleveland last year, but his underperforming year still accumulated 1200+ yards, 50+ receptions, and 12 TDs. Yes - compiled stats as the lead guy, but also played behind a sub-par line with a sub-par (at best) coordinator and a borderline non-existant passing game and broken ribs. His efficiency stats weren't great, but until I see him post poor efficiency metrics with an average line and a solid passing game so the defense isn't expecting him to get the ball every time, I'm not throwing in the towel on the guy.

Add all that up, and I'm quite frankly surprised people have convinced themselves that Bradshaw is the guy to own here. Some posts in this thread make it sound as if you'd rather own Bradshaw than Richardson, which seems insane to me. Given all we know (Bradshaw's offseason, training camp, and early season work + Trent's draft pedigree, acquisition cost, and production despite broken ribs and a poor situation last year) I'm expecting Trent to be the lead back and get 65-70% of the work. I'm not saying Bradshaw disappears, and he may even carry flex value the rest of the way, but I'll gladly side with Trent.

One week of data after Trent spent 3 days on the team just doesn't sway me as much as it appears to sway others.

WTH??? What #### measuring are you talking about?

You flippantly said "this is what you can count on-Bradshaw getting hurt." You conveniently ignored the fact that despite Bradshaw getting hurt, he almost always plays, so I noted that.

You are also ill-informed, both about Bradshaw's injury history, and about my posts in this thread.

1-"In his past, Bradshaw's always played through pain until he ended up on IR around week 10 or 12." This is completely false. Bradshaw has NEVER been on IR. He has only had 1 season where he missed more than 2 games since his rookie year when he was the RB3.

2-"people have convinced themselves that Bradshaw is the guy to own here. Some posts in this thread make it sound as if you'd rather own Bradshaw than Richardson, which seems insane to me" I've posted numerous times that I think Richardson is going to get the majority of the carries, but not enough to live up to his pre-season rank, or what some people hope to get from him. I've also posted several times that if Bradshaw misses this game, Richardson has a great opportunity to relegate him to a back-up role, if he performs well. I have no stake in this, I don't either. I started the thread to determine whether this was a situation to take advantage of. From what I've found, I don't think I'd want to take the risk in trading for Richardson (he'd be too expensive for what I think he'd produce). At the same time, getting Bradshaw would be risky, as we don't know how Indy will handle his practice/injury situation. If I knew that they would let him miss numerous practices and play each week (as they did in NYG), he would be, I think, cheap to acquire in a trade, and could provide flex/RB2 value if he gets the kind of workload he got last week.

Maybe next time, read all my posts before you put words in my mouth (or words in my keyboard), and do some research & actually know what you are talking about with regards to players history.

 

[JFS171]

This is what you can count on - Bradshaw will get banged up if they use him that much... period.

If you are using past history as a predictor of the future (as you appear to be), than you can also count on Bradshaw playing (and playing well), despite not practicing and being on the injury report.

That being said, Bradshaw isn't in NY anymore, and I don't know if that is how this situation will play out. Does Pagano have the trust in him to go out and play on Sundays/Mondays despite not practicing much, as Coughlin seemed to? I don't know if that's the case. If it's not, and he doesn't play, this is Richardson's chance: play well, put up good numbers, continue to protect the QB, and he could re-establish himself as "the man" that everyone thought he was gonna be in Indy before last week's game. If Bradshaw doesn't play, and Richardson doesn't put up good numbers, then the time-sharing idea will gain strength.

I wasn't planning on getting involved in the #### measuring contest up thread, but in response to this - yes. In his past, Bradshaw's always played through pain until he ended up on IR around week 10 or 12. It'd be a little early for him this year to miss this week, but it also took him 9+ months to adequately recover from a procedure that had a stated 10-week recovery timeline by the physicians. That seems a little odd to me. Multiple very smart front offices passed on the guy (NYG, DEN, PIT, GB) before he finally signs for what amounts to a 1-year prove-it deal in Indy. He couldn't wrest the starting job all for himself from Vick Ballard, a guy most of us agree is a mediocre talent, even if Ballard did work hard and was a team favorite.

So with all that as the background, the team (post-Ballard injury) goes out and trades a future first rounder for Trent Richardson, a top-3 pick from the year before -- a talent that many evaluators said was the best pure talent at the RB position to enter the league since Peterson. Now, yes, Trent underperformed in Cleveland last year, but his underperforming year still accumulated 1200+ yards, 50+ receptions, and 12 TDs. Yes - compiled stats as the lead guy, but also played behind a sub-par line with a sub-par (at best) coordinator and a borderline non-existant passing game and broken ribs. His efficiency stats weren't great, but until I see him post poor efficiency metrics with an average line and a solid passing game so the defense isn't expecting him to get the ball every time, I'm not throwing in the towel on the guy.

Add all that up, and I'm quite frankly surprised people have convinced themselves that Bradshaw is the guy to own here. Some posts in this thread make it sound as if you'd rather own Bradshaw than Richardson, which seems insane to me. Given all we know (Bradshaw's offseason, training camp, and early season work + Trent's draft pedigree, acquisition cost, and production despite broken ribs and a poor situation last year) I'm expecting Trent to be the lead back and get 65-70% of the work. I'm not saying Bradshaw disappears, and he may even carry flex value the rest of the way, but I'll gladly side with Trent.

One week of data after Trent spent 3 days on the team just doesn't sway me as much as it appears to sway others.

WTH??? What #### measuring are you talking about?

You flippantly said "this is what you can count on-Bradshaw getting hurt." You conveniently ignored the fact that despite Bradshaw getting hurt, he almost always plays, so I noted that.

You are also ill-informed, both about Bradshaw's injury history, and about my posts in this thread.

1-"In his past, Bradshaw's always played through pain until he ended up on IR around week 10 or 12." This is completely false. Bradshaw has NEVER been on IR. He has only had 1 season where he missed more than 2 games since his rookie year when he was the RB3.

2-"people have convinced themselves that Bradshaw is the guy to own here. Some posts in this thread make it sound as if you'd rather own Bradshaw than Richardson, which seems insane to me" I've posted numerous times that I think Richardson is going to get the majority of the carries, but not enough to live up to his pre-season rank, or what some people hope to get from him. I've also posted several times that if Bradshaw misses this game, Richardson has a great opportunity to relegate him to a back-up role, if he performs well. I have no stake in this, I don't either. I started the thread to determine whether this was a situation to take advantage of. From what I've found, I don't think I'd want to take the risk in trading for Richardson (he'd be too expensive for what I think he'd produce). At the same time, getting Bradshaw would be risky, as we don't know how Indy will handle his practice/injury situation. If I knew that they would let him miss numerous practices and play each week (as they did in NYG), he would be, I think, cheap to acquire in a trade, and could provide flex/RB2 value if he gets the kind of workload he got last week.

Maybe next time, read all my posts before you put words in my mouth (or words in my keyboard), and do some research & actually know what you are talking about with regards to players history.

Jeez dude - none of it was directed specifically at you. Freak out much?

Your post seemed to indicate a desire for clarification on my thoughts, so I posted them. Everything I posted was in response to the thread as a whole and the sentiments that seemed to be prevailing - not in response to your specific views. I'm extremely familiar with Bradshaw, his history, how he plays, etc. I'm also familiar with what you've said.

Maybe next time, read all my posts before you put words in my mouth (or words in my keyboard), and do some research & actually know what you are talking about with regards to players history.

 

[Bayhawks]

Add all that up, and I'm quite frankly surprised people have convinced themselves that Bradshaw is the guy to own here. Some posts in this thread make it sound as if you'd rather own Bradshaw than Richardson, which seems insane to me. Given all we know (Bradshaw's offseason, training camp, and early season work + Trent's draft pedigree, acquisition cost, and production despite broken ribs and a poor situation last year) I'm expecting Trent to be the lead back and get 65-70% of the work. I'm not saying Bradshaw disappears, and he may even carry flex value the rest of the way, but I'll gladly side with Trent.One week of data after Trent spent 3 days on the team just doesn't sway me as much as it appears to sway others.

This post was in reply to me. If you were not referring to my position, the use of "you'd rather own" in a reply directed to me is mis-leading.

But that doesn't change the fact that you are suggesting that you say it's insane for someone to prefer Bradshaw, yet your reasoning for de-valuing Bradshaw is clearly mis-informed. You posted that he's only good until week 10-12, then goes on IR, and as I've pointed out, he has never been on IR, and has only missed more than 2 games once since he was a rookie.

Perhaps the reason you think it's insane to prefer Bradshaw is because you are wrong about Bradshaw?

 

[JFS171]

Add all that up, and I'm quite frankly surprised people have convinced themselves that Bradshaw is the guy to own here. Some posts in this thread make it sound as if you'd rather own Bradshaw than Richardson, which seems insane to me. Given all we know (Bradshaw's offseason, training camp, and early season work + Trent's draft pedigree, acquisition cost, and production despite broken ribs and a poor situation last year) I'm expecting Trent to be the lead back and get 65-70% of the work. I'm not saying Bradshaw disappears, and he may even carry flex value the rest of the way, but I'll gladly side with Trent.One week of data after Trent spent 3 days on the team just doesn't sway me as much as it appears to sway others.

This post was in reply to me. If you were not referring to my position, the use of "you'd rather own" in a reply directed to me is mis-leading.

But that doesn't change the fact that you are suggesting that you say it's insane for someone to prefer Bradshaw, yet your reasoning for de-valuing Bradshaw is clearly mis-informed. You posted that he's only good until week 10-12, then goes on IR, and as I've pointed out, he has never been on IR, and has only missed more than 2 games once since he was a rookie.

Perhaps the reason you think it's insane to prefer Bradshaw is because you are wrong about Bradshaw?

Reading comprehension -- when I say, "Some people in this thread make it sound like" I'm referring to the entire thread, and sentiments I had observed therein. You're correct that "You'd" was the wrong terminology - I should have said "they'd." Again, you still put words in my mouth and assumed I was misinformed. Then accused me of doing the same to you.

I do personally believe it's insane for someone to prefer Bradshaw in this case, which I believe is largely based on his performance last week against San Francisco after Trent had been on the team for less than 72 hours. I did, perhaps flippantly, state that he gets hurt all the time. But it is true that he's always fighting an injury of some sort, though he hasn't miss games in the past, which I also stated. The tone of the post was intended to be more tongue-in-cheek when i said he played through it until he ended up on IR around week 10-12. Evidently I need to be more explicit - my apologies.

Bradshaw's a very good RB - perhaps could have been a great one if his body let him. But he's always fighting injuries to get suited up for Sunday. We don't know how Pagano will handle that. We do know that Pagano and this regime traded a first round pick for Trent Richardson. My guess is they're going to find out if he's the workhorse their eyes tell them he is. I personally believe he won't let them down.

THIS IS MY OPINION NOW - DON'T CRUCIFY ME AS MISINFORMED: I believe Trent will received 65-70% of the workload. I think Bradshaw will be highly unreliable week to week unless Trent gets hurt, and as such I don't think I'd want him on my team since I'd never know when I could play him. I don't think the team WANTS Bradshaw to be a 50/50 back with Trent Richardson -- I don't care what Pagano says to the media, which I PERSONALLY INTERPRET as coachspeak.

 

[HurryUpSundays]

Ahmad Bradshaw (neck) is not practicing Friday.
Bradshaw has been held out of practice all week with a neck injury and is considered day to day. His status is uncertain for Sunday's matchup with the Jaguars.


Source: Craig Kelley on Twitter
Sep 27 - 11:43 AM

 

[Bayhawks]

Reading comprehension -- when I say, "Some people in this thread make it sound like" I'm referring to the entire thread, and sentiments I had observed therein. You're correct that "You'd" was the wrong terminology - I should have said "they'd." Again, you still put words in my mouth and assumed I was misinformed. Then accused me of doing the same to you.

I put no words in your mouth. I copied/pasted what YOU typed. Choose your words more carefully to say what you intend to say.

I do personally believe it's insane for someone to prefer Bradshaw in this case, which I believe is largely based on his performance last week against San Francisco after Trent had been on the team for less than 72 hours. I did, perhaps flippantly, state that he gets hurt all the time. But it is true that he's always fighting an injury of some sort, though he hasn't miss games in the past, which I also stated. The tone of the post was intended to be more tongue-in-cheek when i said he played through it until he ended up on IR around week 10-12. Evidently I need to be more explicit - my apologies.

As I've stated, my belief that Richardson is being over-valued by some is a result of not performing at a high level over his 19 game career, while Bradshaw has performed at a high level. Last week is just one more game where that occurred. Your belief that Trent is the better option is based (at least partly) on Bradshaw's injury history. However, you stated false facts when presenting this belief. And you try to say you were being "tongue-in-cheek." Don't try to be tongue-in-cheek, and you won't get called on it. If you prefer Richardson, that's fine. It's your opinion and you're entitled to it. If you have facts (that are true) supporting your belief that Richardson is the better option than Bradshaw, that's fine-share them. But don't state false-truths as if they were facts, then expect to be able to say "I was being tongue-in-cheek," and not get called on it.

Bradshaw's a very good RB - perhaps could have been a great one if his body let him. But he's always fighting injuries to get suited up for Sunday. We don't know how Pagano will handle that. We do know that Pagano and this regime traded a first round pick for Trent Richardson. My guess is they're going to find out if he's the workhorse their eyes tell them he is. I personally believe he won't let them down.

Agreed about Bradshaw's injuries and having no way of knowing how Pagano will handle it. Agreed that if Richardson shows they can rely on him to perform, Bradshaw will be relegated to a back-up role. I don't think he will do as well as you do, but that doesn't mean I'm right.

THIS IS MY OPINION NOW - DON'T CRUCIFY ME AS MISINFORMED: I believe Trent will received 65-70% of the workload. I think Bradshaw will be highly unreliable week to week unless Trent gets hurt, and as such I don't think I'd want him on my team since I'd never know when I could play him. I don't think the team WANTS Bradshaw to be a 50/50 back with Trent Richardson -- I don't care what Pagano says to the media, which I PERSONALLY INTERPRET as coachspeak.

Your opinion very well might be correct. Your interpretation is just as valid as anyone else's. When you state things that look like facts, that turn out to be un-true, you shouldn't be surprised if they are challenged. When you appear to direct your posts at someone (whether this is intentional or inadvertent), you shouldn't be surprised if you are called on it, especially when those posts start with nonsense like "#### measuring contest."

 

[cstu]

Add all that up, and I'm quite frankly surprised people have convinced themselves that Bradshaw is the guy to own here. Some posts in this thread make it sound as if you'd rather own Bradshaw than Richardson, which seems insane to me. Given all we know (Bradshaw's offseason, training camp, and early season work + Trent's draft pedigree, acquisition cost, and production despite broken ribs and a poor situation last year) I'm expecting Trent to be the lead back and get 65-70% of the work. I'm not saying Bradshaw disappears, and he may even carry flex value the rest of the way, but I'll gladly side with Trent.One week of data after Trent spent 3 days on the team just doesn't sway me as much as it appears to sway others.

This post was in reply to me. If you were not referring to my position, the use of "you'd rather own" in a reply directed to me is mis-leading.

But that doesn't change the fact that you are suggesting that you say it's insane for someone to prefer Bradshaw, yet your reasoning for de-valuing Bradshaw is clearly mis-informed. You posted that he's only good until week 10-12, then goes on IR, and as I've pointed out, he has never been on IR, and has only missed more than 2 games once since he was a rookie.

Perhaps the reason you think it's insane to prefer Bradshaw is because you are wrong about Bradshaw?

You are correct that he hasn't been on IR but he also hasn't been the picture of health despite not missing a lot of games. I think what the teams involved with him have done speaks louder than anything - the Giants let him walk for a 1 year, $2M deal and the Colts give up their 1st for another RB just after signing him. Bradshaw is very productive when he plays but the truth is that teams don't trust him to stay healthy.

 

[RBM]

Ahmad Bradshaw (neck) is not practicing Friday.

Bradshaw has been held out of practice all week with a neck injury and is considered day to day. His status is uncertain for Sunday's matchup with the Jaguars.

Source: Craig Kelley on Twitter

Sep 27 - 11:43 AM

Just got the update....NOT playing Sunday.

 

[HurryUpSundays]

Ahmad Bradshaw (neck) has been ruled out for Week 4.
Bradshaw missed practice all week and the Colts likely don't want to take any chances with his neck injury. Trent Richardson will be used in an every-role role for Sunday's matchup with the Jaguars.



Sep 27 - 1:03 PM

 

[Bayhawks]

Add all that up, and I'm quite frankly surprised people have convinced themselves that Bradshaw is the guy to own here. Some posts in this thread make it sound as if you'd rather own Bradshaw than Richardson, which seems insane to me. Given all we know (Bradshaw's offseason, training camp, and early season work + Trent's draft pedigree, acquisition cost, and production despite broken ribs and a poor situation last year) I'm expecting Trent to be the lead back and get 65-70% of the work. I'm not saying Bradshaw disappears, and he may even carry flex value the rest of the way, but I'll gladly side with Trent.

One week of data after Trent spent 3 days on the team just doesn't sway me as much as it appears to sway others.

This post was in reply to me. If you were not referring to my position, the use of "you'd rather own" in a reply directed to me is mis-leading.But that doesn't change the fact that you are suggesting that you say it's insane for someone to prefer Bradshaw, yet your reasoning for de-valuing Bradshaw is clearly mis-informed. You posted that he's only good until week 10-12, then goes on IR, and as I've pointed out, he has never been on IR, and has only missed more than 2 games once since he was a rookie.

Perhaps the reason you think it's insane to prefer Bradshaw is because you are wrong about Bradshaw?

You are correct that he hasn't been on IR but he also hasn't been the picture of health despite not missing a lot of games. I think what the teams involved with him have done speaks louder than anything - the Giants let him walk for a 1 year, $2M deal and the Colts give up their 1st for another RB just after signing him. Bradshaw is very productive when he plays but the truth is that teams don't trust him to stay healthy.

Agreed. But that doesn't mean that he couldn't be a FF valuable RB in a RBBC (obviously we are talking about flex production/RB2, at best). If that were the case in Indy, that would also prevent Richardson from being the type of stud RB1 that he was predicted for in the pre-season.That being said, with the news that Bradshaw is out, Richardson could end this debate this week. He has the Jags, who are awful against the run, the OC wants to pound the rock, Hilton is hurt. He has every opportunity to put up a great game. If he does that, Bradshaw probably becomes nothing but a back-up, and 3rd down RB. A great game by Richardson probably makes him the "bell-cow" back for the rest of the season, with Bradshaw spelling him, not rotating series.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Well..that was rather quick no?

Let's see what Trent can do.

 

[KCitons]

Soooo, Now that Bradshaw is out. And some people were dumping on Richardson's ability. Is it time for the Donald Brown hype train?

In all seriousness, Brown should have some garbage time snaps and could be a decent flex play this week.

 

[Chachi]

Bradshaw owners

Bradshaw = waiver fodder now

T. Rich owners

 

[FootballGuy22]

Bradshaw will always have the SF Game

 

[need2know]

Lets just go with the obvious; Indy DID NOT just give up a 1st round pick in order to have Trent Richardson touch the ball just 50/60/ 70 percent of the time. Soon as the routes/protection/playbook is firmly consumed Bradshaw's role will be to spell as Richardson is given all he can eat. Under that scenario Indy's run game improves overnight. I think sometimes you need to take the Team Owner into account as well. You are kidding yourself if you don't think Irsay is chomping at the bit to show this move off. I highly doubt he went along with this with some type of planned "time share".

Don't over-think this.

Thats only if Trent outperforms him. Trent has yet to show he is even worth the x2 #1 picks teams have not used on him. Bradshaw has a history of performance.

He's also has a long history of foot injuries. Bet he is not relevant in one month

Ok I was wrong. It will be less then a month. ..

 

[RBM]

TON of pressure on a Trent here. It will be all him vs the worst team in the league.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Bayhawks. How does your foot taste.

 

[JustinHawkins]

CHOOOOOOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOOO