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Roddy White - Well, looks like he has screwed us all (1 Viewer)

The end has to be here, right? I've always appreciated this guy and loved the FF production but he's looking pretty shot to me in terms of "week-in, week-out, season-long reliability" at this point.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Shutout said:
The end has to be here, right? I've always appreciated this guy and loved the FF production but he's looking pretty shot to me in terms of "week-in, week-out, season-long reliability" at this point.
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PPR:

End of his WR1 (and perhaps WR2) days? Sure. I guess it depends on what you're expecting. You can draft him as your WR3 or WR4 right now.

He finished last year PPG wise WR17 (and WR21 overall). Caught 80 balls in 14 games. Scored double digits points in 11 of 14 games played with TD's in half of them. Are the Falcons suddenly going to be able to run the game? Stop anyone on defense? They get a TE that's going to take a large amt of targets away? I find all unlikely for 2015.

He's going anywhere in the 7th in most recent PPR drafts I've seen. Around the likes of Fitzgerald, V.Jackson, M.Wallace, M.Floyd, K.White, B.LaFell. I think he's safer than all of them personally playing indoors and with the best all season QB.
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You give me Luck or Rodgers, 4 or 5 RB's, and Fitzgerald and Roddy White, and I'm going to go ahead and get the trophy engraved.

 
Honestly tempted to sell Roddy off to the highest bidder in dynasty and take my business elsewhere. In new leagues or redrafts I'm not touching him. I don't see the price accurately reflecting the likely outcome of the season. Rotoworld seems to be the only mention of this that I can find in this thread, but the Shanahan system is going to make Julio Jones a target monster and Roddy/Hankerson/Hardy a serious afterthought.

In 2008, Shanahan's first as an OC, Andre Johnson dominated targets with 170; Owen Daniels had 101 and Kevin Walter had 95

In 2009, Shanahan again gave Johnson 170 targets; Kevin Walter had 70 and Owen Danies 57

In 2010, Shanahan moved to Washington and gave Santana Moss 146 targets; Chris Cooley had 127, Anthony Armstrong 86

In 2011, with Rex Grossman as his QB, Shanahan had 115 targets for Jabar Gaffney, 96 for Santana Moss, 88 for Fred Davis

In 2012, Shanahan broke in a rookie QB and ran the ball like crazy (only 442 passing attempts) - 73 for Josh Morgan; 67 for Pierre Garcon, 61 for Santana Moss

In 2013, Shanahan's offense in Washington led to 184 targets for Pierre Garcon; Santana Moss was next closest with 80.

In 2014, Shanahan's Cleveland offense was a mess with no WR1 due to suspensions of Josh Gordon and a depleted depth chart otherwise. Hawkins still got 113 targets to only 71 for Taylor Gabriel

In his 7 seasons as an Offensive Coordinator, Shanahan has targeted his top WR an average of 139 times. If you remove the Rex Grossman years and RGIII's rookie season, that jumps to a whopping 157 targets on AVG. When he's had a clear stud WR1 (like Julio Jones) he's targeted him relentlessly (170, 170, 146, 184). The secondary target, meanwhile, has averaged only 87 targets. In those stud WR1 years, the secondary target actually did better, averaging 95 targets per year.

Still, Roddy last year had 122 targets in 14 games, or a 139 target pace for a full season. His full season line (paced to 16 games) would've been 91-1052-8. If we cut his targets down to 95, however, and assume similar performance to last year, we'd expect to see 71-819-6. He may not have been 100% healthy last year, but he also turns 34 in December and wasn't targeted at all in the preseason opener.

I think it's time to abandon ship, though I welcome a dissenting opinion to argue with this post...

 
JFS171 said:
Honestly tempted to sell Roddy off to the highest bidder in dynasty and take my business elsewhere. In new leagues or redrafts I'm not touching him. I don't see the price accurately reflecting the likely outcome of the season. Rotoworld seems to be the only mention of this that I can find in this thread, but the Shanahan system is going to make Julio Jones a target monster and Roddy/Hankerson/Hardy a serious afterthought.

In 2008, Shanahan's first as an OC, Andre Johnson dominated targets with 170; Owen Daniels had 101 and Kevin Walter had 95

In 2009, Shanahan again gave Johnson 170 targets; Kevin Walter had 70 and Owen Danies 57

In 2010, Shanahan moved to Washington and gave Santana Moss 146 targets; Chris Cooley had 127, Anthony Armstrong 86

In 2011, with Rex Grossman as his QB, Shanahan had 115 targets for Jabar Gaffney, 96 for Santana Moss, 88 for Fred Davis

In 2012, Shanahan broke in a rookie QB and ran the ball like crazy (only 442 passing attempts) - 73 for Josh Morgan; 67 for Pierre Garcon, 61 for Santana Moss

In 2013, Shanahan's offense in Washington led to 184 targets for Pierre Garcon; Santana Moss was next closest with 80.

In 2014, Shanahan's Cleveland offense was a mess with no WR1 due to suspensions of Josh Gordon and a depleted depth chart otherwise. Hawkins still got 113 targets to only 71 for Taylor Gabriel

In his 7 seasons as an Offensive Coordinator, Shanahan has targeted his top WR an average of 139 times. If you remove the Rex Grossman years and RGIII's rookie season, that jumps to a whopping 157 targets on AVG. When he's had a clear stud WR1 (like Julio Jones) he's targeted him relentlessly (170, 170, 146, 184). The secondary target, meanwhile, has averaged only 87 targets. In those stud WR1 years, the secondary target actually did better, averaging 95 targets per year.

Still, Roddy last year had 122 targets in 14 games, or a 139 target pace for a full season. His full season line (paced to 16 games) would've been 91-1052-8. If we cut his targets down to 95, however, and assume similar performance to last year, we'd expect to see 71-819-6. He may not have been 100% healthy last year, but he also turns 34 in December and wasn't targeted at all in the preseason opener.

I think it's time to abandon ship, though I welcome a dissenting opinion to argue with this post...
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Take Julio is what I take from this post

 
JFS171 said:
Honestly tempted to sell Roddy off to the highest bidder in dynasty and take my business elsewhere. In new leagues or redrafts I'm not touching him. I don't see the price accurately reflecting the likely outcome of the season. Rotoworld seems to be the only mention of this that I can find in this thread, but the Shanahan system is going to make Julio Jones a target monster and Roddy/Hankerson/Hardy a serious afterthought.

In 2008, Shanahan's first as an OC, Andre Johnson dominated targets with 170; Owen Daniels had 101 and Kevin Walter had 95

In 2009, Shanahan again gave Johnson 170 targets; Kevin Walter had 70 and Owen Danies 57

In 2010, Shanahan moved to Washington and gave Santana Moss 146 targets; Chris Cooley had 127, Anthony Armstrong 86

In 2011, with Rex Grossman as his QB, Shanahan had 115 targets for Jabar Gaffney, 96 for Santana Moss, 88 for Fred Davis

In 2012, Shanahan broke in a rookie QB and ran the ball like crazy (only 442 passing attempts) - 73 for Josh Morgan; 67 for Pierre Garcon, 61 for Santana Moss

In 2013, Shanahan's offense in Washington led to 184 targets for Pierre Garcon; Santana Moss was next closest with 80.

In 2014, Shanahan's Cleveland offense was a mess with no WR1 due to suspensions of Josh Gordon and a depleted depth chart otherwise. Hawkins still got 113 targets to only 71 for Taylor Gabriel

In his 7 seasons as an Offensive Coordinator, Shanahan has targeted his top WR an average of 139 times. If you remove the Rex Grossman years and RGIII's rookie season, that jumps to a whopping 157 targets on AVG. When he's had a clear stud WR1 (like Julio Jones) he's targeted him relentlessly (170, 170, 146, 184). The secondary target, meanwhile, has averaged only 87 targets. In those stud WR1 years, the secondary target actually did better, averaging 95 targets per year.

Still, Roddy last year had 122 targets in 14 games, or a 139 target pace for a full season. His full season line (paced to 16 games) would've been 91-1052-8. If we cut his targets down to 95, however, and assume similar performance to last year, we'd expect to see 71-819-6. He may not have been 100% healthy last year, but he also turns 34 in December and wasn't targeted at all in the preseason opener.

I think it's time to abandon ship, though I welcome a dissenting opinion to argue with this post...
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So your saying Roddy is a handcuff who ya can still plug n play for byes?

 
JFS171 said:
Honestly tempted to sell Roddy off to the highest bidder in dynasty and take my business elsewhere. In new leagues or redrafts I'm not touching him. I don't see the price accurately reflecting the likely outcome of the season. Rotoworld seems to be the only mention of this that I can find in this thread, but the Shanahan system is going to make Julio Jones a target monster and Roddy/Hankerson/Hardy a serious afterthought.

In 2008, Shanahan's first as an OC, Andre Johnson dominated targets with 170; Owen Daniels had 101 and Kevin Walter had 95

In 2009, Shanahan again gave Johnson 170 targets; Kevin Walter had 70 and Owen Danies 57

In 2010, Shanahan moved to Washington and gave Santana Moss 146 targets; Chris Cooley had 127, Anthony Armstrong 86

In 2011, with Rex Grossman as his QB, Shanahan had 115 targets for Jabar Gaffney, 96 for Santana Moss, 88 for Fred Davis

In 2012, Shanahan broke in a rookie QB and ran the ball like crazy (only 442 passing attempts) - 73 for Josh Morgan; 67 for Pierre Garcon, 61 for Santana Moss

In 2013, Shanahan's offense in Washington led to 184 targets for Pierre Garcon; Santana Moss was next closest with 80.

In 2014, Shanahan's Cleveland offense was a mess with no WR1 due to suspensions of Josh Gordon and a depleted depth chart otherwise. Hawkins still got 113 targets to only 71 for Taylor Gabriel

In his 7 seasons as an Offensive Coordinator, Shanahan has targeted his top WR an average of 139 times. If you remove the Rex Grossman years and RGIII's rookie season, that jumps to a whopping 157 targets on AVG. When he's had a clear stud WR1 (like Julio Jones) he's targeted him relentlessly (170, 170, 146, 184). The secondary target, meanwhile, has averaged only 87 targets. In those stud WR1 years, the secondary target actually did better, averaging 95 targets per year.

Still, Roddy last year had 122 targets in 14 games, or a 139 target pace for a full season. His full season line (paced to 16 games) would've been 91-1052-8. If we cut his targets down to 95, however, and assume similar performance to last year, we'd expect to see 71-819-6. He may not have been 100% healthy last year, but he also turns 34 in December and wasn't targeted at all in the preseason opener.

I think it's time to abandon ship, though I welcome a dissenting opinion to argue with this post...
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Kyle Shanahan has never had a QB as good as Matt Ryan. He's never had as good a top 2 as Julio and Roddy. And Matt Ryan has thrown the ball an average of 630 times over the past three seasons. Even more in the last two, because the defense hasn't been able to stop anyone. He's a pretty good bet to get to at least 600 attempts this year, even with Shanahan in the fold.

Let's say Shanahan is in Matt Ryan's earpiece screaming "FEED JULIO". Maybe he gets 180 targets. That still leaves 420 passes to go around. It's not all that unreasonable to think Roddy gets 120 of them and ends up with a similar stat line to last year, albeit over 16 games. If you think he gets hurt again and misses time, downgrade accordingly. But it seems barring injury, Roddy has a pretty decent floor. Nobody is trotting him out there as a top WR, but as a complementary piece, you can certainly do worse.

 
Shutout said:
Easily one of the best thread titles going! Have always loved it.

Great numbers info jfs171.
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LOL, I started this thread years ago. I have joyfully read every reply since. It cracks me up, every time I see it show up in my email.

I am actually on board with Roddy this season. I do not get the argument that Julio will be the only option. Personally, I don't see that they have anyone besides Jones and White. They do not have a legit #3. Ryan throws a ton, and that will not change. If Roddy stays healthy (have not seen any reports this year, like we have the last two) then he will be a tremendous value

 
Rotoworld:

ESPN Falcons reporter Vaughn McClure said Roddy White (elbow) will return to "some activity" next week.

White underwent elbow surgery a little more than a week ago. The expectation was White would ready by Week 1, but it is concerning he will return to just "some" activity next week. Even if the elbow heals, White will require sporadic drainings of his knee throughout the season.

Source: Vaughn McClure on Twitter

Sep 1 - 1:10 PM
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Rotoworld:

Roddy White was held without a catch on one target in Atlanta's Week 2 win over the Giants.

Coming off a 4/84 Week 1, White found himself de-emphasized in favor of Leonard Hankerson, who drew a whopping 11 targets. Julio Jones got 15. It's noteworthy after White looked surprisingly healthy and spry in Atlanta's opener. We're not closing the book on his WR3 candidacy, but he's obviously not someone we'll be trying to force into lineups against the Cowboys next week, even though it's an appealing matchup.

Sep 20 - 5:23 PM
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Rotoworld:

Roddy White says his catch-less Week 2 wasn't the result of special defensive attention, and that he was "open."
"Just didn’t get the ball," White said. "We’re 2-0. … Nothing really to say. I just didn’t catch a pass. I have moved past it." White played 57-of-72 snaps against the Giants, drawing only one target. Meanwhile, Leonard Hankerson drew 11 looks while playing 48-of-72 snaps. White is unlikely to have another catch-less afternoon, but it's possible HankTime, who has a history with OC Kyle Shanahan, has moved past him on the targets totem pole.

Source: ESPN.com
Sep 22 - 7:48 PM
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Rotoworld:

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Falcons now view Roddy White and Leonard Hankerson as their "2 and 2A" wide receivers.

White has logged 122 snaps this season to Hankerson's 100. However, HankTime holds the edge in targets with 15 compared to just nine for White. It's clear Hankerson's stock is rising while White's is falling. As the two are essentially sharing the No. 2 receiver role behind target machine Julio Jones, Hankerson and White will both have a tough time maintaining consistent fantasy value.
Related: Leonard Hankerson

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Sep 27 - 10:26 AM
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Donut for second week in a row?

[OrdellRobbievoice]What the #### happened to you, man? ####, your ### used to be beautiful![/OrdellRobbievoice]

 
i can't trade him for anything in my league.

will likely drop him the next time i see something interesting on the wire.

 
Sitting at the very edge of my bench in my dynasty league.

It was a nice, long run, Roddy. Thanks for the memories.

 
Rotoworld:

Roddy White - WR - Falcons

Roddy White nabbed five of six targets for 67 yards in the Falcons' Week 16 win over the Panthers.

With Julio Jones drawing coverage from Josh Norman, White was able to break free for 48 yards in the second half. White has only reached the 60-yard plateau three times this year. He has a nice matchup against the Saints next week but Julio is still the only Falcons receiver worth owning in fantasy.

Dec 27 - 6:45 PM
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Rotoworld:

Roddy White caught 1-of-4 targets for 10 yards in the Falcons' Week 17 loss to the Saints.


White finishes his dismal age-34 campaign with 506 yards, his fewest since his sophomore year of 2006. The former perennial WR1 has now been held below 1,000 yards in three straight seasons, and seems to be running on fumes. He was often a distraction in 2015, complaining about his role and trying to get targets forced his way. Due $4.25 million between salary and bonuses in 2016, it's within the realm of possibility that White gets cut loose by the only team he's ever known.


Jan 3 - 5:53 PM
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Rotoworld:

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution's D. Orlando Ledbetter said the Falcons "appear to be leaning toward retaining" Roddy White.


With White set to count just over $6.1 million against the salary cap, there has been speculation the Falcons will move on from their declining No. 2 receiver. GM Thomas Dimitroff recently said, "It's not always about the talent," however, and coach Dan Quinn has talked about White's value as a "competitor and leader." It would still be surprising if White is back on his current deal, but it looks like the Falcons are at least open to the idea.

Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Feb 8 - 12:56 PM
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Shutout said:
Johnny Manziel was in the league with his attitude. It isn't about that.
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Huh?!?!  How the hell are those two comparable. 

And it IS about that as much as his age or loss of athleticism.  He says he's not willing to be a role player essentially.  That he can't handle it... Okay then, no team is going to feature him, so he's done.   If his attitude isn't, "I'll do anything to help my team to win, even if it's in a mentorship/blocking type role", I can't imagine who would have him. 

 
cockroach said:
Huh?!?!  How the hell are those two comparable. 

And it IS about that as much as his age or loss of athleticism.  He says he's not willing to be a role player essentially.  That he can't handle it... Okay then, no team is going to feature him, so he's done.   If his attitude isn't, "I'll do anything to help my team to win, even if it's in a mentorship/blocking type role", I can't imagine who would have him. 
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It's "casual" Friday man.  ease off a bit.  We are talking about a zero impact fantasy issue. We all know he's done.  No need to go analytical here.  Point is IF he had the talent to help a team he could say anything he wanted and someone would sign him. He doesn't anymore.  Its over.

 
cockroach said:
He will never be in the league again with his attitude.
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Roddy always said dumb #### dating all the way back to his support Mike Vick shirt he wore under his jersey. His twitter feed is a PR specialists nightmare. 

He couldn't get open last year regardless, he's toast. 

 
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