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Trust me on this, no one will confuse you with me.If I am wrong, which I hope I am, then I will admit it.I have family in the Burgh that work in the hospitality biz and encountered Ben. While they liked him, he was a jerk.Once again, it's all anecdotal.For the record, analog_hiss is not my alias. I'm downright wishy washy about all this compared to this guy.analog_hiss said:
I am that Steeler fan. Ray Lewis got away with murder.Roethlisberger hiring the same attorney, only adds to his guilt for me.I hope I'm wrong.
Should he have hired a bad attorney?
Really? All the legal analysis I read points to Lewis pleading guilty to the correct crime (The Obstruction of Justice). I have only been practicing for a year but I have seen many occasions were the DA "Over Charges" a well know or celebrity Defendant in an attempt to make a name for themselves. I have also seen many similar situations were a a group of defendants will attempt to protect one another by not cooperating, but once plea bargains are offered to the Defendant(s) who are obviously less at fault in the crime, they 99% of the time will crack and give the necessary information to implicate the party that is truly at fault. Maybe you have been practicing longer than me and have more experience. Or have seen some evidence that I have not studied or reviewed. If you have, please share.
Not sure this attorney is particularly good, are you? I'm sure it's only a coincidence that he'd go hire the same attorney who got another high profile athlete off the hook from charges of a violent offense. Pure coincidence.
So if you're falsely accused of sexual assault you should hire a bad attorney?
You want to know how I know you're new to message boards?You want to know how I know you're new to this particular message board?
Thanks for the tip.
I saw a rundown of some of his high-profile cases involving athletes and it seemed that in most cases he was brought in for damage control as most of them pleaded to a lesser charge. I think if any charges are filed against Roethlisberger he'll be facing a suspension from the Steelers and/or the NFL, regardless of the outcome of any trial.
Saying he got away with murder sounds much more sensational than he was found guilty of obstruction of justice
Saw that, too. Sounds like Ben not only has to worry about a court of law but also the court of public opinion. I got the impression that they are so upset and worried about the Steelers image that trade or release may be a option if this gets ugly.
If no charges are filed against Ben then he isn't going anywhere. I am sure he'll get a long stern talk from management about his behavior but he won't be released. All that changes if charges are filed. At the very least he'll be suspended until the case is settled. If found guilty or he cops a plea to a lesser charge I think the Steelers release him outright. If this happens expect a tearful admission that he has a problem and is seeking help for sexual addiction....
I agree. I think the Steelers already have a pretty good idea how this thing is going to play out and are planning accordingly. If there is a good side of this (from the Steelers perspective) it is that it occurred before the draft.
I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning, and they had on their resident legal guru. I can't remember his name but I've heard him before and he seems to be pretty astute.He said this investigation process should wrap up and there should be a decision whether or not to charge Ruthlessbugger by the end of this week or early next week at the latest. Witness interviews will be taken into account, but more important will be what comes back on lab tests and review of video from the club.
From all accounts the woman was very upset and highly emotional when she reported the incident to the police. The video could be crucial in showing her emotional state as she was leaving the club. If it shows her sobbing or leaving in a hurry it certainly would add credence to her story. On the other hand if she is calmly waking out and laughing or smiling then it would bolster the defense's case that no assault took place.
He is so screwed.
I heard that also, and my reaction was that that time frame is very optimistic. Roethlisberger has a good lawyer, and part of his job will be to try to prevent (lawfully of course) the police from filing any charges at all. There are plenty of reports of all witnesses being willing to cooperate, sure. But the police want to re-interview several people from Roethlisberger's group, and that'll take time. And I'm sure his lawyer will want to do his own interviewing, and talking to police, in order to prevent charges from being filed if possible. I think it'll take longer than a week to see if charges will be filed or not.
I don't think his position is that he denied having sex with her. His position is that it was consensual, which the DNA test cannot prove or disprove.
What if she had scratches/bruise marks that appear to be recent?
I guess the rape kit used can supposedly determine if forcible entry occurred. I don't know how but that is what I have heard.
Kind of shocking that he doesn't use protection.
The rape kit is different from DNA. It's essentially a gynecological exam, and it's looking for ######l (and, I guess, anal) trauma. The more trauma, the more likely the rape wasn't consensual, although some trauma may be normal as some sex can voluntarily be rougher for some than others depending upon how kinky she and he are. Again, his best defense is consent because that will minimize the impact of the physical evidence and place greater emphasis on eyewitness testimony as to what happened and how. I'm not rooting for or against him by saying this, just pointing out how the law works.
Well, some on here were suggesting the "assault" was just groping. That no longer appears to be the case.
Ben doesn't wear a helmet when he rides.
I see what you did here
Yep, he tried to go deep instead of just dumping it off. Poor judgment, and not what you'd expect from a veteran.
I don't think he has taken that position publicly, or any other position besides that a crime did not occur.
If you're right then I'd fully expect him to take that position soon.
This varies from state to state. A quick search of Georgia law doesn't indicate that this would be true, although a more thorough seach might. But if she was voluntarily drunk and consented, and they had sex, then I don't think he'd be guilty of any felony (it sounds like public indecency will be easy to prove).
That remains to be seen. She may be, if she drank. Several bars may be cited for serving her. Anyone buying her drinks (Roethlisberger, for example) could be cited for it.
Did they release her age?
AWESOME!analog_hiss said:
Interesting. I'm sure she won't be cited for it if they actually proceed with the sexual assault case, but I do think this makes Ben look even worse in the public's eyes. If they decide to not go forward again Ben, it seems reasonable to think they might cite her then.
