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Roger Ailes Dead at 77 (1 Viewer)

squistion said:
I see you bumped it...

I would have sworn I commented in the thread and said something along the lines that she meant well but her Just Say No campaign was rather naïve. However I can't find any post that I did in the thread.
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The board tells you with a little star if you had a post in a thread. 

 
NREC34 said:
It wasn't. Few people respectfully disagreeing with her war on drugs...

On the other hand a thread getting nuked must've been a bit nasty I'd imagine. 
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It was disgusting.  Nothing respectful about it. I remeber well because after about 5 pages of what a horrible disgusting person Nancy was, I went off on a couoke people and happily took a one week ban.   What vike crap mods allows baffles me especially when they have a trigger finger for me.  

 
NREC34 said:
The board tells you with a little star if you had a post in a thread. 
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Yeah, I know, but I was almost sure I actually did post in that thread and what I said there (or intended to say). I guess I thought better of it and didn't post the thoughts I composed, probably anticipating jonny would come back with it at a later date as evidence of how horrible all the liberals and progressives are on this forum when a conservative or a Republican has passed.

 
jon_mx said:
It was disgusting.  Nothing respectful about it. I remeber well because after about 5 pages of what a horrible disgusting person Nancy was, I went off on a couoke people and happily took a one week ban.   What vike crap mods allows baffles me especially when they have a trigger finger for me.  
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Oh, please. Your postings have nothing to do with it...?  :lmao:

 
#### Ailes.  No single person is more responsible for the debacle that America is in today with Donald Trump as President.  Good riddance.  

 
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jon_mx said:
It was disgusting.  Nothing respectful about it. I remeber well because after about 5 pages of what a horrible disgusting person Nancy was, I went off on a couoke people and happily took a one week ban.   What vike crap mods allows baffles me especially when they have a trigger finger for me.  
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They also go in and delete their buddies bad posts instead of actually having to deal with them. All the time in these Trump threads. 

 
flapgreen said:
These threads are always the worst. People love to voice their disapproval of a dead person just so everyone else knows how much they didn't like them. Gotta make sure to get that last jab in so everyone can know the "truth."
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No, he is the sole reason why news media is terrible.

 
timschochet said:
Interesting response. Not sure if you're referring to me, but I didn't make any personal attacks on Ailes. I don't know much if anything about his personal situation, so I'll leave that for others. My comments were about his role in our society, which I found to be large, impressive, and for me not good.
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There is a first day of prison joke in here just waiting to be made. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Thought Joe didn't allow people to crap on dead people. 
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He doesn't seem to mind at all.  He had allowed it to go on and on for Scalia, Nancy Reagan, and now Ailes.  When I make some reasonable comment it is a three-month ban for politicizing something too soon.

 
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Thought about this all day yesterday. Have something seriously anti-Ailes to say, did not want to say it in his obit thread and join the piss-on-his-grave party - why lefties gotta constantly re-prove the indecency with which righties see them is as mystifying as how proud righties are to have a stick up their butt - but its the people in this thread to whom i want to say it, so here goes.

For one, Ailes should be demonized for the harassment but, in the context of his life, holding that as the card against him is like being one of those who concentrate on Congress raising their own salaries instead of focusing upon their control of this country's vast fortunes.

Back to my point, though. I am one who considers Bobby Kennedy's assassination to be the most unfortunate American event of my lifetime. A guy i always hated as a kid - and i was barely a teen but political active, canvassed for McCarthy in '68 - as a cold-blooded, take-no-prisoners, political operative (and because hating a Kennedy was a cool thing for a punk kid to do in '60s Boston), but one undergoing an amazing transformation during his brief Presidential run, due mostly to what he saw poverty & race had really done to this country. His death - and he would have won, no matter what you hear - robbed us of a President who would have prevented Nixon, blocked a LOT of LBJ's policies (if only for spite), and given progressive America its first conservative voice (his devout Catholicism gave him that). In what i've read about the RFK's revolution of outlook, he would have seen elevation of the classes in Schindler terms, every dollar wasted a sin against posterity, and that's a voice which would have properly built a bridge between the Old & New Americas, the Left & Right as well, that would have held against cynicism & divisiveness.

A Pollyanna view to be sure and wtf does it have to do with Roger Ailes?! I just wanted you to know how deeply i feel in that regard so you'll understand the upcoming.

I've known about Roger Ailes longer than all y'all. As i've recounted on this board a couple times before, I was at a party at the '80 Democratic Convention - guest of the chairman, who i'd become friendly with in '76 when i covered the campaign and he ran NY for Carter - that was crashed by a very young, very loaded Lee Atwater. Atwater was politics' first open rat####er and progenitor of much of the way politics is done these days. He bounced between letty enclaves at the party, laughing that the end was nigh for our ways and how Reagan was gonna smoke us and Ronnie, him and his media guy were gonna bring the house down on us for good & all.. He and his media guy (a young TV producer named Ailes) in fact saved GHWBush's bacon with the Willie Horton ad (knew who was behind it the second i saw it).

Atwater died young and Ailes decided to make his fortune in political media. After seeing the work of a French psychologist who became a hugely successful ad exec, Ailes came to the realization that all you gotta do to sell a fella anything is warm him up. Sex was already taken as a way to do so, what was nextmost? Rage, baby. Enrage, outrage, in a box, with a fox - blow em up real good. Brought Limbaugh to national attention, O'Reilly, Chris Matthews (yes, Ailes' first news network was America's Talking, which became MSNBC) even his Wall Street reporter, Jim Cramer, was more bombast than forecast. Roger Ailes made the fight - there's just us.....and enemies of us. To this day i dont really think the politics of it ever mattered to him, it was simply the thing folks got most worked up about.

And then there was Fox, truthiness, the institutional stasis megabusiness realized as the optimum condition for fleecing it up & down, and now the drunk uncle at the wheel, his governance second to his publicity. All Atwater, then Ailes.

My point? For decades, if i could go back and change anything in my time, it would have been to take the gun out of Sirhan's hand. The last few years, though, a new contender has arisen. Stopping Atwater/Ailes, the cynical relativization(?) of truth. I want my America back that bad - the America that disagrees together, but works together just the same; the one where you take a stand before a side; the one without media-driven sheep & lemmings polluting every corner of culture; most importantly, the one that seeks & respects truth - and, more than any entity, Ailes is responsible for taking it away.

G'ahead God. I never pointed a weapon in my life, but put one in my hand at that party 37 years ago and, knowing what i know now, i blow that loadie's head off and go looking for his fat, feel-em-up friend. RIP. -

 
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I'm sure you guys will show Bill Cosby the same respect when he dies that you are Roger Ailes.  Unless you know or strongly appreciate someone, who cares when people die?  It happens.

You conservatives will throw keggers when HRC croaks.  Enjoy the party.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Aaron explained this to you about 100 times. 
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But he has never explained why, if it wasn't meant to be the official policy, it is still listed in the rules for those on this forum to follow.

Either it is the official policy of this site or it is not.

If it is, then enforce it.

If it is not, then eliminate the language from the FAQs (and that would take a mod about 5 seconds).

 
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squistion said:
But he has never explained why, if it wasn't meant to be the official policy, it is still listed in the rules for those on this forum to follow.

Either it is the official policy of this site or it is not.

If it is, then enforce it.

If it is not, then eliminate the language from the FAQs (and that would take a mod about 5 seconds).
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Ok nothing to do with my question about crapping on dead people. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Ok nothing to do with my question about crapping on dead people. 
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Don't be obtuse.

I was pointing out that the powers that be are not always consistent in their approach around these parts. There may be an unstated policy about not crapping on dead people and Joe may have spoken of it - but it appears that, if so,  then is not always enforced.

the same token, the no alias policy seems hit or miss - this actually is in the rules, but seems to be rarely enforced of late 

 
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He went out like Paterno.  Legend in his industry.  Epic fall from grace relating to sexual misconduct/harassment allegations.  Died shortly thereafter. 

 
squistion said:
Don't be obtuse. I was pointing out that the powers that be are not always consistent in their approach around these parts. There may be an unstated policy about not crapping on dead people and Joe may have spoken of it - but it appears that, if so,  then is not always enforced. By the same token, the no alias policy seems hit or miss - this actually is in the rules, but seems to be rarely enforced of late (although it may have been used to take out a recent incarnation of Bieber Cleaver).
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Obtuse?  You were hijacking my question to continue your hard on for BC. 

 
jon_mx said:
He doesn't seem to mind at all.  He had allowed it to go on and on for Scalia, Nancy Reagan, and now Ailes.  When I make some reasonable comment it is a three-month ban for politicizing something too soon.
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When have you ever?

 
wikkidpissah said:
Thought about this all day yesterday. Have something seriously anti-Ailes to say, did not want to say it in his obit thread and join the piss-on-his-grave party - why lefties gotta constantly re-prove the indecency with which righties see them is as mystifying as how proud righties are to have a stick up their butt - but its the people in this thread to whom i want to say it, so here goes.

For one, Ailes should be demonized for the harassment but, in the context of his life, holding that as the card against him is like being one of those who concentrate on Congress raising their own salaries instead of focusing upon their control of this country's vast fortunes.

Back to my point, though. I am one who considers Bobby Kennedy's assassination to be the most unfortunate American event of my lifetime. A guy i always hated as a kid - and i was barely a teen but political active, canvassed for McCarthy in '68 - as a cold-blooded, take-no-prisoners, political operative (and because hating a Kennedy was a cool thing for a punk kid to do in '60s Boston), but one undergoing an amazing transformation during his brief Presidential run, due mostly to what he saw poverty & race had really done to this country. His death - and he would have won, no matter what you hear - robbed us of a President who would have prevented Nixon, blocked a LOT of LBJ's policies (if only for spite), and given progressive America its first conservative voice. In what i've read about the RFK's revolution of outlook, he would have seen elevation of the classes in Schindler terms, every dollar wasted a sin against posterity, and that's a voice which would have properly built a bridge between the Old & New Americas, the Left & Right as well, that would have held against cynicism & divisiveness.

A Pollyanna view to be sure and wtf does it have to do with Roger Ailes?! I just wanted you to know how deeply i feel in that regard so you'll understand the upcoming.

I've known about Roger Ailes longer than all y'all. As i've recounted on this board a couple times before, I was at a party at the '80 Democratic Convention - guest of the chairman, who i'd become friendly with in '76 when i covered the campaign and he ran NY for Carter - that was crashed by a very young, very loaded Lee Atwater. Atwater was politics' first open rat####er and progenitor of much of the way politics is done these days. He bounced between letty enclaves at the party, laughing that the end was nigh for our ways and how Reagan was gonna smoke us and Ronnie, him and his media guy were gonna bring the house down on us for good & all.. He and his media guy (a young TV producer named Ailes) in fact saved GHWBush's bacon with the Willie Horton ad (knew who was behind it the second i saw it).

Atwater died young and Ailes decided to make his fortune in political media. After seeing the work of a French psychologist who became a hugely successful ad exec, Ailes came to the realization that all you gotta do to sell a fella anything is warm him up. Sex was already taken as a way to do so, what was nextmost? Rage, baby. Enrage, outrage, in a box, with a fox - blow em up real good. Brought Limbaugh to national attention, O'Reilly, Chris Matthews (yes, Ailes' first news network was America's Talking, which became MSNBC) even his Wall Street reporter, Jim Cramer, was more bombast than forecast. Roger Ailes made the fight - there's just us.....and enemies of us. To this day i dont really think the politics of it ever mattered to him, it was simply the thing folks got most worked up about.

And then there was Fox, truthiness, the institutional stasis megabusiness realized as the optimum condition for fleecing it up & down, and now the drunk uncle at the wheel, his governance second to his publicity. All Atwater, then Ailes.

My point? For decades, if i could go back and change anything in my time, it would have been to take the gun out of Sirhan's hand. The last few years, though, a new contender has arisen. Stopping Atwater/Ailes, the cynical relativization(?) of truth. I want my America back - the America that disagrees together, but works together just the same; the one where you take a stand before a side; the one without media-driven sheep & lemmings polluting every corner of culture; most importantly, the one that seeks & respects truth - that bad and, more than any entity, Ailes is responsible for taking it away.

G'ahead God. I never pointed a weapon in my life, but put one in my hand at that party 37 years ago and, knowing what i know now, i blow that loadie's head off and go looking for his fat, feel-em-up friend. RIP. -
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I sure hope you write a book one day....if you haven't already.  I could read your historical tales all day long. 

 
General Malaise said:
I sure hope you write a book one day....if you haven't already.  I could read your historical tales all day long. 
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Well, thank you.

I'm sure you mean my personal history and all - it being set against quite a time - but i loooove writing historical fiction. Been working on a novel about the before, during & after of the French Revolution - thru the eyes of a courtesan who slept w most of the principals (Louis XV, de Sade, Marat, Napoleon, Talleyrand) and is therefore able to tell the whole story on a personal level, like Jack Crabbe does the Wild West in Little Big Man - for 20 years and aint half finished. No money in it and i'm broke so i gotta at least try with more commercial stuff, but i love it so.

One of my commercial projects - basically, Dracula goes to Washington - has a lot of history and over-the-top modern stuff so is hopefully sellable and still like me. Thx again for the compliment, though - always good to hear.

 
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wikkidpissah said:
Thought about this all day yesterday...

G'ahead God. I never pointed a weapon in my life, but put one in my hand at that party 37 years ago and, knowing what i know now, i blow that loadie's head off and go looking for his fat, feel-em-up friend. RIP. -
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So, in summary, you hate Ailes because he broke up the monopoly the liberals had on the media and you couldn't have the field all to yourself anymore.  Thanks.  Got it.

 
MaxThreshold said:
So, in summary, you hate Ailes because he broke up the monopoly the liberals had on the media and you couldn't have the field all to yourself anymore.  Thanks.  Got it.
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No, i hate Ailes because he gave pomposity without purpose currency in this society, without which you'd be broke, my friend.

 
:mellow:

Gabriel Sherman‏Verified account @gabrielsherman 1h1 hour ago

Scary: During eulogy, Ailes's teenage son threatened Fox women who alleged harassment.

"I’m coming after them...and hell is coming with me.”

 
timschochet said:
And that's my main problem with jon mx. He's a smart guy, a good guy IMO, but to jon it's ALWAYS about politics, and it's always within the prism of conservatives are the good guys and liberals are the bad guys. He seemingly is unable to see things any other way. Sadly, I know several people like him in the real world (on both sides). 
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out of curiosity, why do you think there are so many people like this these days? i have a family member who was like this for years, and it was like he was in a cult. i think he has come out of it a bit, but it is scary when people just fall in line like that. I avoid the political threads in this forum like the bubonic plague. but it has always been so strange to me that people could be so "red team, blue team", and i just wondering how and why this is, and how we get past it. I think the 24-hour subjective news is a big one, but it is sad. Critical thinking is dying a slow death

 
modogg said:
out of curiosity, why do you think there are so many people like this these days? i have a family member who was like this for years, and it was like he was in a cult. i think he has come out of it a bit, but it is scary when people just fall in line like that. I avoid the political threads in this forum like the bubonic plague. but it has always been so strange to me that people could be so "red team, blue team", and i just wondering how and why this is, and how we get past it. I think the 24-hour subjective news is a big one, but it is sad. Critical thinking is dying a slow death
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V-I-C-T-O-R-Y. Victory, victory is our cry. We are programmed, as predatory animals, with dominance as the first call of everything we do. In civilization, that urge must be frustrated waaaay down the totem, so our upper brains devised an abstraction of dominance to keep the urge at bay, somehow resolved. Victory. Invest your care on the side that's right and, when they are, you win. Religion, party, football team, cosplay, Swedish death metal bass player - as the "biggies" hold less and less eminence in one's day2day, the more desperately do adherents cling and the more weirdly do splinterers identify with styles, fads, clubs which give them identity and sense of purpose/belonging.

 
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wikkidpissah said:
Well, thank you.

I'm sure you mean my personal history and all - it being set against quite a time - but i loooove writing historical fiction. Been working on a novel about the before, during & after of the French Revolution - thru the eyes of a courtesan who slept w most of the principals (Louis XV, de Sade, Marat, Napoleon, Talleyrand) and is therefore able to tell the whole story on a personal level, like Jack Crabbe does the Wild West in Little Big Man - for 20 years and aint half finished. No money in it and i'm broke so i gotta at least try with more commercial stuff, but i love it so.

One of my commercial projects - basically, Dracula goes to Washington - has a lot of history and over-the-top modern stuff so is hopefully sellable and still like me. Thx again for the compliment, though - always good to hear.
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Wait, you're to blame for the ridiculous Lincoln hunting vampires movies? :P

 
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