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Roy Williams comment last night on NFLN by the hosts (1 Viewer)

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Either Marshall Faulk or Deion Sanders last night said that the Roy Williams trade was a waste and Dallas got hosed. He said "Williams is no better than Patrick Crayton"...what do you think about the comment and does it change your opinion of Roy Williams or not?

 
I've never been a big fan of Roy Williams, but I think it was a good trade for them to make at the time. The bust rate of 1st round picks is quite high and they will need a lead WR for whenever TO leaves. Draft picks are a bit overrated.

 
Either Marshall Faulk or Deion Sanders last night said... ...does it change your opinion....
Nothing either one of those guys says will ever change my opinion of anything. Roy Williams has been a bust for the Cowboys though. At first you could chalk it up to a new offense, but it's been 10 weeks now.
 
They are correct. Honestly, when was the last time a WR trade worked? Chambers has been a bust in SD & now Williams in Dallas. Wasn't just the draft picks that will hurt Dallas, but they are also paying him a ton of wasteful money. Nice use of cap space.

 
They are correct. Honestly, when was the last time a WR trade worked? Chambers has been a bust in SD & now Williams in Dallas. Wasn't just the draft picks that will hurt Dallas, but they are also paying him a ton of wasteful money. Nice use of cap space.
Ask yourself that question again and think about it.
 
They are correct. Honestly, when was the last time a WR trade worked? Chambers has been a bust in SD & now Williams in Dallas. Wasn't just the draft picks that will hurt Dallas, but they are also paying him a ton of wasteful money. Nice use of cap space.
Ask yourself that question again and think about it.
TO? was he traded from SF and signed as a FA by Phily. getting old :bag: to many of these :lol:
 
They are correct. Honestly, when was the last time a WR trade worked? Chambers has been a bust in SD & now Williams in Dallas. Wasn't just the draft picks that will hurt Dallas, but they are also paying him a ton of wasteful money. Nice use of cap space.
Ask yourself that question again and think about it.
TO? was he traded from SF and signed as a FA by Phily. getting old :bag: to many of these :lol:
I think he was referring to Randy Moss
 
You people have severe Alzheimers. Moss? Hello?

But I agree top WR trades don't tend to work out and frankly most of them I thought it should have been an obvious bad move in the first place because the "top WR" really wasn't all that great anyway like Freeman, Muhammed, Berrian, etc etc etc.

PS add William to the list. Not at all reliable and lol @ Dallas.

 
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Chambers has been a bust in SD
I'm not sure about that. He played a signficant part in helping open up thier passing game last season, had 278 rec yards in the play-offs, and had five TDs in five games this year before getting hurt. The wheels have come off in recent weeks, though.
 
They are correct. Honestly, when was the last time a WR trade worked? Chambers has been a bust in SD & now Williams in Dallas. Wasn't just the draft picks that will hurt Dallas, but they are also paying him a ton of wasteful money. Nice use of cap space.
Ask yourself that question again and think about it.
TO? was he traded from SF and signed as a FA by Phily. getting old :bag: to many of these :lol:
I think he was referring to Randy Moss
You could insert Welker there too just for giggles.Honestly, I don't remember hearing this, but I think this trade had more to do with the future than with the present...sure it would be great if he integrated himself into the system like Chambers did last year, but I think this move says more about Owens' future than anything else. I would be surprised to see him on the team next year, and expect Dallas to take a WR in one of the 1st 3 rounds.

 
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They are correct. Honestly, when was the last time a WR trade worked? Chambers has been a bust in SD & now Williams in Dallas. Wasn't just the draft picks that will hurt Dallas, but they are also paying him a ton of wasteful money. Nice use of cap space.
Ask yourself that question again and think about it.
TO? was he traded from SF and signed as a FA by Phily. getting old :bag: to many of these :lol:
I think he was referring to Randy Moss
You could insert Welker there too just for giggles.Honestly, I don't remember hearing this, but I think this trade had more to do with the future than with the present...sure it would be great if he integrated himself into the system like Chambers did last year, but I think this move says more about Owens' future than anything else. I would be surprised to see him on the team next year, and expect Dallas to take a WR in one of the 1st 3 rounds.
No way, unless maybe somebody really good falls as they have invested in Williams.
 
Antonio Bryant. He was signed as a free agent, though, and he didn't work out too well with the Browns and the Niners.

 
They are correct. Honestly, when was the last time a WR trade worked? Chambers has been a bust in SD & now Williams in Dallas. Wasn't just the draft picks that will hurt Dallas, but they are also paying him a ton of wasteful money. Nice use of cap space.
Ask yourself that question again and think about it.
TO? was he traded from SF and signed as a FA by Phily. getting old :bag: to many of these :lmao:
I think he was referring to Randy Moss
You could insert Welker there too just for giggles.Honestly, I don't remember hearing this, but I think this trade had more to do with the future than with the present...sure it would be great if he integrated himself into the system like Chambers did last year, but I think this move says more about Owens' future than anything else. I would be surprised to see him on the team next year, and expect Dallas to take a WR in one of the 1st 3 rounds.
A couple of things though.1) Wasn't Williams due to be a FA at the end of this year? If so, why not wait to blow him away in March and keep the draft pick?

2) I don't know how Owens contract is structured, but he just signed this past off-season. Plus, TO hasn't come close to bottoming out this year. Quite honestly, the biggest problem on the Cowboys this year is Jerry Jones inability to get out from in front of the camera thereby rendering his head coach useless.

 
Trading for a WR midseason is usually a waste of time.

The timing between a WR and their QB is incredibly underrated. This usually takes time of and plenty of reps to achieve, something that is very difficult to do midseason. Signing him in the offseason and allowing him the time to learn the playbook and offseason/preseason to build timing/rapport with Romo would've likely resulted in a productive signing. The trade may still work out, but it has certainly been a waste to bring him in during this season.

 
They are correct. Honestly, when was the last time a WR trade worked? Chambers has been a bust in SD & now Williams in Dallas. Wasn't just the draft picks that will hurt Dallas, but they are also paying him a ton of wasteful money. Nice use of cap space.
plenty of wr trades worked fine. its harder midseason. we gotta see how rw performs next year after a full camp and all that. another thing to consider is that the cowboys should adjust their offense to utilize his talent. its just really hard to step in midseason and be a force in the nfl.now, i will admit they gave up a lot for him and he counts against he cap, so it will by quite hard to be worth it. anything short of top 10 wr will proly be disappointing.

chambers, however, has had plenty of success in sd. more than he had in miami. its hard to say he was a bust if you look at his preinjury production.

 
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I can see why the Cowboys made the trade. They have extra picks in the draft so they could afford to give some up to get Roy. Next season he will be in a better rhythm with Romo and know the offense in greater detail. I think where Dallas screwed up is by giving him the contract it did. If I recall correctly, Roy will be the 2nd highest paid WR in the league. He's not that good and the contract may hamper their ability in the future to sign other players under the cap.

 
I can see why the Cowboys made the trade. They have extra picks in the draft so they could afford to give some up to get Roy. Next season he will be in a better rhythm with Romo and know the offense in greater detail. I think where Dallas screwed up is by giving him the contract it did. If I recall correctly, Roy will be the 2nd highest paid WR in the league. He's not that good and the contract may hamper their ability in the future to sign other players under the cap.
The worst part about the contract is that he is now being paid more than T.O. Recipe for disaster.
 
I've never been a big fan of Roy Williams, but I think it was a good trade for them to make at the time. The bust rate of 1st round picks is quite high and they will need a lead WR for whenever TO leaves. Draft picks are a bit overrated.
in the cap era, draft picks are waaaay overrated.Dtika was way ahead of the curve on this one, but he got blasted for it. If he could have gotten a good QB in that era, they would have been a solid team.
 
wasnt welker a trade too?
I believe he was a FA signing.Could be wrong though
Nope, he was a trade, too. A 2nd and a... 5th? But he was traded during the offseason, not mid-season. He has been wellworth it for the Pats though. And they stole Moss, too.Otherwise, not many others have been worth it.As a Lions fan, I'm happy with the picks. I'm hoping a new regime will actually make them worthwhile, along with the 1st pickoverall next year. :confused: I liked Roy though. I think if he had a decent support system he could have been a top WR. I wishhim a grand career in Dallas (or beyond). Of course, so far, he has indeed been a huge bust for them...
 
We aren't going to know until at LEAST next year exactly how well Roy Williams will work out in Dallas. He can't be expected to just jump into the system and have amazing chemistry with Romo, who was also injured for the first few weeks that Roy was even in Dallas. Romo coming back from an injury, not 100% healthy, and he is going to lean on the players that he knows.

 
Said it at the time and its completely obvious now, this was a HORRIBLE deal for Dallas.

 
Said it at the time and its completely obvious now, this was a HORRIBLE deal for Dallas.
That's a fairly ridiculous statement IMO. The guy was traded during the season, it's going to take at least one more year to see if it was a horrible deal or not. You may end up being absolutely correct, but at this point it's far too early to judge.
 
We aren't going to know until at LEAST next year exactly how well Roy Williams will work out in Dallas. He can't be expected to just jump into the system and have amazing chemistry with Romo, who was also injured for the first few weeks that Roy was even in Dallas. Romo coming back from an injury, not 100% healthy, and he is going to lean on the players that he knows.
You mean like his roommate? Uh oh, wait 'til TO finds out about this. :confused:
 
i agree that it is too early to tell for sure right now, but it doesn't look good for dallas. i've paid more attention to roy this year since i drafted him in the 4th round and he really doesn't impress me. he seems slow and has trouble getting open. he has good size but he doesn't seem to be physical so he doesn't use his size to his advantage. if dallas has owens and witten again next year, then it seems like there will only be scraps left over for roy. if/when owens leaves, it can only help roy's stats, but something about him just doesn't impress me and it seems like the loss of draft picks and the huge contract will end up being a huge mistake.

 
Impossible to judge this deal after only a few games. This was a deal for the future. Owens getting up there. He'll be much better next year. Timing in a new offense/with a new QB doesn't happen overnight. He also has to fit in to a new place where he's clearly option #3 in the passing game. He's learning on the fly here. Let's see him get a camp under his belt and time to learn the nuances of the system before we start calling it a bad deal. Geez.

 
Chambers has been a bust in SD
I'm not sure about that. He played a signficant part in helping open up thier passing game last season, had 278 rec yards in the play-offs, and had five TDs in five games this year before getting hurt. The wheels have come off in recent weeks, though.
People have a tendency to forget that Chambers was a bigger part of SD's playoff success last season than LT/Gates combined.Without Chambers SD might have lost the first home game vs TEN last year, but they end up going to the AFC title game in large part because of that trade.
 
Either Marshall Faulk or Deion Sanders last night said that the Roy Williams trade was a waste and Dallas got hosed. He said "Williams is no better than Patrick Crayton"...what do you think about the comment and does it change your opinion of Roy Williams or not?
LOL that's hilarious.......I didn't hear that comment but in the last 2 game threads for Dallas, I said the EXACT same thing, almost to the very word.I think I used waste instead of hose and I'll go further.......Patrick Crayton is better than Roy Williams.
 
Trading for a WR midseason is usually a waste of time.The timing between a WR and their QB is incredibly underrated. This usually takes time of and plenty of reps to achieve, something that is very difficult to do midseason. Signing him in the offseason and allowing him the time to learn the playbook and offseason/preseason to build timing/rapport with Romo would've likely resulted in a productive signing. The trade may still work out, but it has certainly been a waste to bring him in during this season.
A good QB and WR can hook up without any problems. I remember when GB signed Andre Rison during their SB run and he stepped right in and never missed a beat. The are many more examples.All of the posters waiting for a full training camp etc. are fooling themselves. When you give up the draft choices and money JJ gave up for RW you must produce now! RW is nothing more than JJ's new Joey Galloway.
 
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We aren't going to know until at LEAST next year exactly how well Roy Williams will work out in Dallas. He can't be expected to just jump into the system and have amazing chemistry with Romo, who was also injured for the first few weeks that Roy was even in Dallas. Romo coming back from an injury, not 100% healthy, and he is going to lean on the players that he knows.
Shhhhhh, based on this thread alone I think I already know who my sleeper WR is going to be next season. I just hope TO is officially a big part of the Cowboys '09 plans at least until a few early drafts.
 
Impossible to judge this deal after only a few games. This was a deal for the future. Owens getting up there. He'll be much better next year. Timing in a new offense/with a new QB doesn't happen overnight. He also has to fit in to a new place where he's clearly option #3 in the passing game. He's learning on the fly here. Let's see him get a camp under his belt and time to learn the nuances of the system before we start calling it a bad deal. Geez.
There are nuances in this system? When might we expect to see them?This team needs more Miles Austins and less prima donnas.
 
Impossible to judge this deal after only a few games. This was a deal for the future. Owens getting up there. He'll be much better next year. Timing in a new offense/with a new QB doesn't happen overnight. He also has to fit in to a new place where he's clearly option #3 in the passing game. He's learning on the fly here. Let's see him get a camp under his belt and time to learn the nuances of the system before we start calling it a bad deal. Geez.
There are nuances in this system? When might we expect to see them?This team needs more Miles Austins and less prima donnas.
One example of nuance was when Romo threw that first INT up for grabs down the right hashmark. The second throw up for grabs was down the left side of the field.

You have to pay attention to details, DW. Details.

 
We aren't going to know until at LEAST next year exactly how well Roy Williams will work out in Dallas. He can't be expected to just jump into the system and have amazing chemistry with Romo, who was also injured for the first few weeks that Roy was even in Dallas. Romo coming back from an injury, not 100% healthy, and he is going to lean on the players that he knows.
A great QB and WR can do this. Neither Romo or RW are great.
 
Either Marshall Faulk or Deion Sanders last night said that the Roy Williams trade was a waste and Dallas got hosed. He said "Williams is no better than Patrick Crayton"...what do you think about the comment and does it change your opinion of Roy Williams or not?
It was one of the few things which made sense last night.Dude cannot create separation.
 
This was a deal for the future.
He just turned 27. How far into the future are we talking here?
Next season.It is very hard to come in and learn new offense mid season. Roy Williams will be a fine player for Dallas but asking him to learn a new playbook this year was asking a lot.
Really, its not like he is involved in blocking blitz pick ups or zone blocking. He is not calling plays and reading everyone's coverage. Garret's system does not appear to demand W.R. reads the way some do. The guys has to run routes he has always run and keep his ears open for an audible or two . The latter should be fairly easy because from his view on the field he ought to be able to see a blitz developing as well as Romo can. If he needs more time he is about the dumbest W.R. ever, and that is a pretty difficult group to crack the top five in.
 
Impossible to judge this deal after only a few games. This was a deal for the future. Owens getting up there. He'll be much better next year. Timing in a new offense/with a new QB doesn't happen overnight. He also has to fit in to a new place where he's clearly option #3 in the passing game. He's learning on the fly here. Let's see him get a camp under his belt and time to learn the nuances of the system before we start calling it a bad deal. Geez.
There are nuances in this system? When might we expect to see them?This team needs more Miles Austins and less prima donnas.
One example of nuance was when Romo threw that first INT up for grabs down the right hashmark. The second throw up for grabs was down the left side of the field.

You have to pay attention to details, DW. Details.
Advice received and taken to heart.
 

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