cantstop1999
Footballguy
why are most predictions have him at about the same numbers. the qb is a lot better and he is healthy now. i think the real question is can he stay healthy ? if he can i have him at 1200 10-13tds, whats your take ?
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Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
I think your expectations are a little high for Roy this year. He definitely has shown the most promise of the WR's in Det but he still is a headcase. I'd consider 900 yds and 8 TD's out of Roy a minor victory if I had him. I would agree he still has potential for 1200+ and 12+ TD's season but to say its likely in 2005 season w/ Detriot baring his health is asking too much.
Well, if you look at his career numbers, they suggest that he should get 900 yards and 9.5 TD's if he were to be healthy. Even last season, he would have been on pace for 845 and 9.8. To expect that a real offense and QB could give him an extra 10-20 yards a game and maybe a TD or two over the course of the season really isn't a lot...
Also, those numbers count games where he was listed as active but didn't really play... for instance the Minnesota last year where Mooch gave him like 2 plays, or the couple of games last season where they put him out there messed up.
He got 500 yards and 7 TD's over the last 8 weeks on that trainwreck of a team. Even if you want to act like the 3 TD game didn't count, he still got 383 and 4 TD's over the last 7, which would be on pace for 875 and 9.1 TD's...in line with his career average. And his 3 TD games do indeed count...
He got 500 yards and 7 TD's over the last 8 weeks on that trainwreck of a team. Even if you want to act like the 3 TD game didn't count, he still got 383 and 4 TD's over the last 7, which would be on pace for 875 and 9.1 TD's...in line with his career average. And his 3 TD games do indeed count...
Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
A WR to get 1200 yds and 12 TD's is virtually a pro-bowl WR. So you're basically saying that you feel Roy W. is going to be an NFC pro-bowl WR this year? I'd say very slim chance.
cantstop1999
Footballguy
if he can stay healthy and with the new qbs i say yes pro bowl, look at what he did in just 8 games last year. its possible and he is capable.
Lightning Fast Whip
Footballguy
1250 12 TDs is reasonable . Anyone who could produce anything above 6 TDs in back to back years with Harringblo at QB is a potential Pro Bowler with a Mediocre QB and Martz designing plays for him. Roy stays healthy for 16 games and he'll be in the running for a Pro Bowl spot. May not get it until next year as sometimes it takes an extra year to make it. But he'll have Pro Bowl type numbers this season. Anything less than 1000 yards seems like an injury projection in a Martz Offense for a true #1 WR.
The Jerk
Footballguy
The largest factor in Roy Williams 2006 campaign is his ability to stay healthy. So his offseason conditioning program may be more important than the QB or even the system. Early reports are at least marginally encouraging, but most are at this stage. Are any Lion fans out there hearing anything new concerning Roy's offseason work ethic?
cantstop1999
Footballguy
well im thinking of drafting him in the 3rd because my 4th is like pick 46 and i think he will be gone. if my predictions are right then getting him in the 3rd will be great.
"Bucko" Kilroy
Footballguy
Roy Williams is a talented enough receiver that he should be able to post nearly 1100-1200 yards, 80 plus receptions and 8-12 TDs every year he's healthy. Every time I've seen him he stands out and looks to be a dominant receiver. As most know, his biggest problem has been staying on the field.I wouldn't get too high on him this season because of the messy situation that has been the Lions offense, but he could very well meet or exceed your projections. I'd love to have him on my team, but with the injuries he's had the past two years I wouldn't feel comfortable with him as my top receiver starting out the season.
Agreed, too many fantasy owners have been burned by the Lions offense. Roy Williams has top 10 ability, but every year we look at the Lions offense and expect huge things only to be burned. Also as a Williams owner the last couple years it seems like he would go 3 games with around 50 yards and just as soon as I would put him on my bench he would go for 2 touchdowns in a game. Obviously Martz is an upgrade, but if their offensive line does not play better than I'm not sure we will see much improvement from the QB position.
cantstop1999
Footballguy
like i said if he stays healthy look out. he will be a top 10 with a good chance at top 5.
Tick
Footballguy
Sure, they were good, but he had Simms and Young at QB, both NFL-starter quality. He had Benson (and maybe Ricky his freshman year) at RB. His linemen got drafted well. His coach has won a national title. He's a top-10 NFL pick. Wouldn't you expect more from him?Meh, maybe I'm wrong about him, but that's fine with me. If it means I don't get him in any drafts this year and am proven wrong, I'll adjust next season.dragging this over from the other Lions thread, to avoid the hijack.
2001: 5/642002: 2/68 and a 19 yard run
2003: 7/89
Not dominant, but he didn't exactly disapear, and it might just be that Okalahoma was actually pretty good on defense?
-OZ-
Footballguy
Expect more, against a national championship caliber defense? maybe. Simms wasn't anything overly special, IIRC Young wasn't a great passer while Roy was at UT. So I'm not really expecting him to have posted exceptional stats against OU.Sure, they were good, but he had Simms and Young at QB, both NFL-starter quality. He had Benson (and maybe Ricky his freshman year) at RB. His linemen got drafted well. His coach has won a national title. He's a top-10 NFL pick. Wouldn't you expect more from him?Meh, maybe I'm wrong about him, but that's fine with me. If it means I don't get him in any drafts this year and am proven wrong, I'll adjust next season.dragging this over from the other Lions thread, to avoid the hijack.
2001: 5/642002: 2/68 and a 19 yard run
2003: 7/89
Not dominant, but he didn't exactly disapear, and it might just be that Okalahoma was actually pretty good on defense?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I think we can drop the college references for this guy. Roy is entering his third year in the NFL. He has shown top notch ability. Everything I have read about him is positive this offseason. Last year he cried out for someone to show these guys how to practice. He has it. The only concern is if he stays healthy, that is it. If he does that (which I believe those guys in Detroit will not have a choice based on the new coaching staff's emphasis on condition - and Roy has embraced this based on reports), he will be top 10.
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Lightning Fast Whip
Footballguy
Tick- Adjusting next year wont yield much value if he breaks out this year he'll cost more next year. Time for value is now. He has 16 TDs in less than 2 years worth of work. Very few WR EVEN Top 10 picks start a career that well. Factor in Detroit mess and Harrington and what he's done is Top 10 drafted worthy. And everything points to more this year. Get the value now especially in early drafts before people see any preseason stuff.
Even if you don't believe in Roy, get him now and trade him after the pre-season.
Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
I see Roy W. more likely going the way of Plexiglass Burress. A perenial underacheivier w/ plenty of god given physical talent/DNA to be a top 5 NFL WR stud but has no heart/focus to get them there. Maintains average/slightly above average NFL WR stats but constantly gets overhyped and over-rated year in and out.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I disagree with the heart aspect. These "tidbits" are for your enjoyment:
“I’m really excited about this football team,” said Roy Williams. “This [coaching staff] takes it to a whole other level. This offense that we’re running and seeing what we’re capable of and all the weapons that we have, it gets you really excited.”
“I’m not making any predictions this year, I really just want to go out there and play,” said wide receiver Roy Williams. “We’ve got the best offensive coordinator-slash-head coach-slash-mastermind in the country. As long as we do what he tells us to do, there’s no stopping us.”
“I’m really excited about this football team,” said Williams. “We have Martz on the offensive side, we’ve got Coach [Donnie] Henderson on the other side. These are two quote-unquote head coaches that are coaching in this league. And as long as we do what they tell us to do, I don’t think there’s any stopping this football team.”
“I don’t know if I’m going to get there in this four- or five-week period, but I’ll try my best,” said Williams. “But you’ve got to be in really good condition here. We did a two-minute drill [Thursday] and we know what kind of condition we’ve got to be in and we’re not there yet.”
Williams said: "We can't draw that line between offense and defense. We've got to come together as a team, and I think that's what hurt us last year."
Martz said Mike Williams had better speed and quicker feet than he realized. He thinks Roy Williams could become an elite receiver.
When asked if he considered Williams as an elite receiver, Martz said, “I think he is. Roy’s one of those guys, it doesn’t take you very long to be around him. If you watch practice out here at all, it’s not hard to figure that one out.
Wide receiver Roy Williams said: "We've got the best staff in the league trying to make the best team in the league, and that's where we're trying to get to, and we'll be there before long."
Williams has taken to Martz's offense like a duck takes to water, so much so, that the two seem enamored with each other to a fault. Williams told me after a minicamp session that he was in awe of Martz. "I'm like, where did you get these guys from," Williams said he asked general manager Matt Millen. Williams used the word, "unstoppable" when he talked about the offense.
Williams grasped the concepts quickly and could be seen speeding through the routes, breaking with precision and grabbing the high tosses he favors from quarterback Jon Kitna, who loves Williams' willingness to go over the middle and make the tough catch. "He doesn't mind exposing himself for a minute" said Kitna.
Now I understand that quotes/preseason articles = fluff for the most part. But good things are being said about Roy, Roy seems to have a good attitude, Martz seems to like Roy, conditioning is emphasized, Roy has tremedous ability, Martz's offense typically puts up good passing numbers....
