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lions327
Footballguy
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Sorry, but weak. Rudi has been a very consistent fantasy performer and I expect the same this year. They might just depend on him even more. He's only 27 and it's not like 3.8 is 3.2. He's scored 12 Tds 3 years in a row and I expect the same this year. It's not like he just turned 30. Sorry, but that's a fact Jack.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Still only 27, 'nuff said.
supa mann
Footballguy
Ya, his production dropped by almost 16 points this past season in my league. That dropped him from the #6 RB to the #8
At this rate, he almost becoming unstartable. Firesale 
joffer
Footballguy
Ya, his production dropped by almost 16 points this past season in my league. That dropped him from the #6 RB to the #8At this rate, he almost becoming unstartable. Firesale
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Hell, let's all get in on the rolleyes,Ya, his production dropped by almost 16 points this past season in my league. That dropped him from the #6 RB to the #8
NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
Penguin
Footballguy
I think Rudi is a much better Fantasy Football RB than he is an NFL RB. Sometimes people let FF performance cloud their judgement and fail to see the truth. I would not be suprised to see Kenny Irons as the starter in 2008 and I expect him to be in '09. Rudi Johnson is a decent NFL RB, nothing more.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yep, that 1454, 1458, 1308, and 36 tds, and over 4+ ypc avg the last 3 years doesn't equate to being a good NFL RB. Sometimes you people crack me up.
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
He'll be 28 in Oct..I think he's got 2 more solid years left in him.I expect decent numbers from Rudi in 2007.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
No s--t
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
And he's put up more yardage and TDs in the past three years than ANY OTHER BENGAL RB in the history of the franchise - and played behind a woeful (aka injured) O-Line last year.
Penguin
Footballguy
This year I expect the same out of Rudi as his '04-'06 numbers. I never said he wouldn't put up good numbers, he always has and I believe he will this year as well. I was merely stating that I do not believe he's entrenched as the long term starter. I think their's a very good chance that Irons was drafted to take over in '09, possibly '08. Rudi's not LT, he's averaged 85 ypg rushing in one of the best offense's in the league. That's good, not great, and I think you could throw a dozen RB's into that offense and get equal or greater production.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I think Rudi is safe for 2007 and 2008. I say that without any hesitation.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yeah, just like he flopped when Palmer threw 18 tds and 18 ints for 2900 yds in 2004? He only got 1454 yds and 12 tds.Edited to say that yes, OL means everything. Do you see the Bengals OL sucking the next 2 years? Edge's OL did suck, does Rudi's?
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gump
Footballguy
He finished 9th in my league...but the first 2 weeks attributed heavily to that. Once the Bengals started struggling, he was a #2 back.No way I draft him again in the first this year (8th pick).
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yep, let's not count those first 2 weeks, lol.
turfman
Footballguy
I am just saying that I think Cincinati realizes that there running game could be a lot better if someone else were running the ball. I wouldn't be surprised to see his workload and fantasy value go down towards the end of the year.He is being drafted at the end of the first round in most leagues. He should be going in the end of the second IMO.
mlball77
Footballguy
I like Kenny Irons pretty well, but I think Rudi is one of the safest bets in FF right now. You know about what to expect from him. I do think Irons will see a little work this year, but Rudi will have to miss some time due to injury for Irons to take over this year, imho. 2008 and forward, it could be a very different story though. And I do agree that Rudi is not an overly talented RB, but he hasn't given Cinci a reason to give up on him.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Given that he has averaged 1400 yds 4+ ypc, and 12 tds the last 3 years, and is only 27 yrs old, why do you think Cincy believes their running game could be better? That baffles the mind.
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doowain
Footballguy
OK, so some of you "experts" don't like Rudi. Big deal. You can't argue stats. The guy is as consistent as they come. He's not flashy like Reggie Bush or a "sexy" pick like Addai or Maroney, but the guy is solid. I'd much rather have a RB on my fantasy team that you know is going to play and score points every week of the season (Rudi hasn't missed a game in the last 3 years). He's not an injury waiting to happen (i.e. Portis).
Maybe some of you guys should watch some Bengals games. You'll see that Rudi does what is asked of him. He isn't going to bust the 80 yard TD run, but you'll see some of the strongest legs on a RB in the NFL. What he lacks in speed he makes up for in being at the top of the NFL as far as balance by a RB. Every RB not named LT has strengths and weaknesses.....Rudi plays to his ability. Can't fault a guy for that, especially when he produces.
Oh, and if anyone wants to see some of that balance and a smidge of ability, here is a Rudi run from college that I came across.......
Maybe some of you guys should watch some Bengals games. You'll see that Rudi does what is asked of him. He isn't going to bust the 80 yard TD run, but you'll see some of the strongest legs on a RB in the NFL. What he lacks in speed he makes up for in being at the top of the NFL as far as balance by a RB. Every RB not named LT has strengths and weaknesses.....Rudi plays to his ability. Can't fault a guy for that, especially when he produces.
Oh, and if anyone wants to see some of that balance and a smidge of ability, here is a Rudi run from college that I came across.......
Ducegonads
Footballguy
Has seriously been one of the most consistent FF RB's in the past few years. The Irons pick is more of a reflection of their lost faith in Perry then anything to do with Rudi. Not buying it.
duaneok66
Footballguy
again, some of you are confusing FF with real life football . . . give the threadmaker's comment a little more thought - the Bengals offense could be more explosive on the ground; Irons wasn't picked to be the #1 cheerleader on the sideline . . . he could take some of Rudi's carries . . . just food for thought . . .
gump
Footballguy
Good point...but when you draft a guy in the top 7 who is generally thought of as a 'reach' at that spot...and he jumps out of the box as a top 5 back to justify your pick...then proceeds to finish the year at roughly the #20 back...it doesn't do much for you.He's not a top 10 back, although you drafted him there. And you have NO chance of trading him at top 10 back value, because he is rarely perceived as that and his week 3-12 week performance cement that thought.Unless you traded him at week 2, you didn't get the value you drafted him for. There were worse picks...but Rudi wasn't a value.Yep, let's not count those first 2 weeks, lol.He finished 9th in my league...but the first 2 weeks attributed heavily to that. Once the Bengals started struggling, he was a #2 back.No way I draft him again in the first this year (8th pick).
Penguin
Footballguy
Unfortunately this post is already heading down the same path as most topics here at the Shark Pool.
It's amazing that at a fantasy football message board, one that is designed to induce discussion, debate & debunking of various topics that some folks result to name calling, insults etc. if someone doesn't agree with their position
It's amazing that at a fantasy football message board, one that is designed to induce discussion, debate & debunking of various topics that some folks result to name calling, insults etc. if someone doesn't agree with their position
duaneok66
Footballguy
good post . . . some people take criticism of their favorite players as a personal attack . . . funny stuff . . .Unfortunately this post is already heading down the same path as most topics here at the Shark Pool.It's amazing that at a fantasy football message board, one that is designed to induce discussion, debate & debunking of various topics that some folks result to name calling, insults etc. if someone doesn't agree with their position
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
....the guy is golden when it comes time for the Fantasy League playoffs too. He peaks when you need him most.
Pipes
Footballguy
Unfortunately this post is already heading down the same path as most topics here at the Shark Pool.It's amazing that at a fantasy football message board, one that is designed to induce discussion, debate & debunking of various topics that some folks result to name calling, insults etc. if someone doesn't agree with their position
kawaihae
Footballguy
One big factor not mentioned is Eric Steinbach. His loss to the Browns is the biggest reason I'm thinking twice about drafting Rudi. When Hutch left Seattle, the O-line and running game took a big step back (they finished up strong, but look at the first 9 games for Alexander/Morris last year). Any homers got some insight to the state of the Bengals O-line? I heard the rest of them guys are a little old and creaky.
Oh yeah, since this is my first post on this board, here's one of these:
Oh yeah, since this is my first post on this board, here's one of these:
nygiants56
Footballguy
wow.very informative...'I don't know how....I don't know when....I don't know how soon....but change is coming'
that's a prediction of Biblical proportions! you must've spent years researching this topic..!
Nostradamus has NOTHING on you, kid!
whats next, you're going to say the sun rises in the East and settles in the West?!?!?! you're on a roll!!
they should have a competency check at FBG's for people like duaneok66..
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Todem
Footballguy
Actually he was drafted to replace Chris Perry who has serious injury problems the last 2 years.Rudi is a very solid RB but I agree not worth a top 10 pick in HP scoring.
remote controller
Footballguy
They had some line problems last season in Cincy. The line will be improved this year.
turfman
Footballguy
Of course a quote as intelligent as this one comes from a New Yorker. It just reminds me why I moved to the south.wow.very informative...'I don't know how....I don't know when....I don't know how soon....but change is coming'
that's a prediction of Biblical proportions! you must've spent years researching this topic..!
Nostradamus has NOTHING on you, kid!
whats next, you're going to say the sun rises in the East and settles in the West?!?!?! you're on a roll!!
they should have a competency check at FBG's for people like duaneok66..
Prince Myshkin
Footballguy
Watched a ton of Bengals games over the past couple of years, and anybody that thinks Rudi had a bad year last year obviously did not watch them play much. Rudi was terrific last year, but the numbers didn't show up because he was having to make his first move behind the line of scrimmage. The offensive line was bad for much of last season, and Carson and the passing game struggled quite a bit too.
erymer
Footballguy
I see what you're saying, but Chris Perry wasn't drafted to sit either and he was a former first rounder. They would have more reason to push Perry into action since they have more invested. Irons wasn't as productive in college as Perry was either. If Perry couldn't steal the job then how will Irons do it?And for those who like numbers to back everything up....here is a few from their college days
Irons: 496 carries 2366 yds 18 Rush TD's at 4.7 YPC
Perry: 794 carries 3657 yds 39 Rush TD's at 4.6 YPC
Rudi should still see good production for 2-3 more seasons. He will continue to be the "non sexy' pick as mentioned in another post but will still finish in the top 10. The loss of Steinbach will hurt a little, but he should still be a solid back. And with an ADP of 12, that pretty decent value. I would be thrilled if he fell to me in any draft at 12.
Just my
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RC94
Footballguy
You just bring out theOf course a quote as intelligent as this one comes from a New Yorker. It just reminds me why I moved to the south.wow.very informative...'I don't know how....I don't know when....I don't know how soon....but change is coming'
that's a prediction of Biblical proportions! you must've spent years researching this topic..!
Nostradamus has NOTHING on you, kid!
whats next, you're going to say the sun rises in the East and settles in the West?!?!?! you're on a roll!!
they should have a competency check at FBG's for people like duaneok66....
in everyone, don't you? Tool.
redman
Footballguy
Why is it that it's necessarily fair to assume that what Rudi did the past three years is what he'll do the next year or two? I agree with the idea that he's a better fantasy RB than a NFL RB, though he's certainly not a bad NFL RB. That becomes relevant when there are concerns about the player getting replaced in the lineup.
Twice in the past three years the Bengals have used a first day draft pick to pick up a good RB who is no doubt meant to take over the startnig job at some point. That's twice under Marvin Lewis' watch. The fact is that judging by their actions, the Bengals have never regarded Rudi as the long term answer at RB. He was simply the guy who was there when Dillon's relationship with the team finally imploded, and also when Chris Perry continually got injured.
But what concerns me is that he's averaged over 340 carries over the last three years to get the yardage he's gotten. He's not good for big plays. He's essentially a plow horse in a division known for its brutal defenses. His receiving skills are well below average. That's worked generally speaking for the Bengals because their passing offense has been so good that all they really need is a guy who falls forward and doesn't fumble, but I don't confuse that with what must be a sincere desire by the coaching staff to add another dimension to the offense with a more dynamic and explosive RB.
If I'm a Rudi dynasty owner I'm shopping him now. I don't think the next three years will be anything like the last three for him, even if he manages to replicate his recent performance one last time in 2007.
Twice in the past three years the Bengals have used a first day draft pick to pick up a good RB who is no doubt meant to take over the startnig job at some point. That's twice under Marvin Lewis' watch. The fact is that judging by their actions, the Bengals have never regarded Rudi as the long term answer at RB. He was simply the guy who was there when Dillon's relationship with the team finally imploded, and also when Chris Perry continually got injured.
But what concerns me is that he's averaged over 340 carries over the last three years to get the yardage he's gotten. He's not good for big plays. He's essentially a plow horse in a division known for its brutal defenses. His receiving skills are well below average. That's worked generally speaking for the Bengals because their passing offense has been so good that all they really need is a guy who falls forward and doesn't fumble, but I don't confuse that with what must be a sincere desire by the coaching staff to add another dimension to the offense with a more dynamic and explosive RB.
If I'm a Rudi dynasty owner I'm shopping him now. I don't think the next three years will be anything like the last three for him, even if he manages to replicate his recent performance one last time in 2007.
erymer
Footballguy
I agree with you for the most part. Just because he has done it in the past doesn't mean he will continue to do so. A breakaway type back would be a monster in this offense. I am just saying that I don't think Irons is that guy. Most NFL backs only have a shelf life of 4-5 years, so Rudi could be winding down on his. I think it would be smart for Cinci to start looking for a replacement, but I think Irons was just the BPA for them at that draft slot. He doesn't have premier back type speed (4.5 in the 40). I would love to see a guy like Turner come to town. He could be the type of breakaway player they could put to good use. The problem they will have is that they are good enough not to get a high enough draft pick to get an elite back coming out of college. They will really have to find a draft day gem or make a move via trade or free agency to make it happen. IMO
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
I don't think this is the case though. The OP basically shouted out "RUDI J!!!! BUST BECAUSE I SAID SO....." Give me some insight on it. Tell me why....make a case instead of just a comment. I think the original comment is more reflective of that is seems that guys just throw comments out (no matter how unusual or un-informed) just so in case the comment occurs can come back and say "Look at me.... I'm so smart". If that's case:LTWILL BUST THIS YEAR!!!! BANK IT!!!!!!!!ONE TEAM WILL WIN THE SUPER BOWL AND THAT TEAM WILL BE THE ARIZONA CARDINALS!!!! BOOK YOUR FLIGHT!!!!I'M CALLING IT NOW..... JAKE DELLHOME......BEST FANTASY QB IN THE NFL THIS YEAR!!!!! BIG SLEEPER!!!!!!!!good post . . . some people take criticism of their favorite players as a personal attack . . . funny stuff . . .Unfortunately this post is already heading down the same path as most topics here at the Shark Pool.It's amazing that at a fantasy football message board, one that is designed to induce discussion, debate & debunking of various topics that some folks result to name calling, insults etc. if someone doesn't agree with their position
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Like this guy did. Thank you......
RudeDog
Footballguy
Anger issues ?wow.very informative...'I don't know how....I don't know when....I don't know how soon....but change is coming'
that's a prediction of Biblical proportions! you must've spent years researching this topic..!
Nostradamus has NOTHING on you, kid!
whats next, you're going to say the sun rises in the East and settles in the West?!?!?! you're on a roll!!
they should have a competency check at FBG's for people like duaneok66..
FFdork
Footballguy
This is an important thing that a lot of people who didn't have Rudi last year are forgetting. That O-line was makeshift for a large part of the year, missing 2-3 quality starters most weeks.Also, why all of the excitement about Kenny Irons? I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but the FBG scouting report certainly doesn't make him sound like a special talent, more like a solid backup. I'd love to hear some solid reasoning on why people think he could eventually be Rudi's replacement.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
reasons to like him:
Durable
All Pro supporting cast
Oline should be healthier this year.
Check out weeks 14-16 schedule. butter soft.
Cons:
Value drops in PPR league
team drafted a RB in round2
Overall "bust" isnt likely but in PPR's 12 teamers i think he's a little overvalued.
Durable
All Pro supporting cast
Oline should be healthier this year.
Check out weeks 14-16 schedule. butter soft.
Cons:
Value drops in PPR league
team drafted a RB in round2
Overall "bust" isnt likely but in PPR's 12 teamers i think he's a little overvalued.
