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Im not sure that Vjax would flourish in a Martz offense based on quick throws, sharp routes, and above all, timing. If Calvin Johnson (yes he was a rookie) was rendered a "meh" fantasy WR by the scheme, while Mike Furrey and Shaun McDonald were catching passes left and right, what does that say about the prospects for a big WR in the scheme? and don't say "Jon Kitna" because Johnson went off in the following year with one of the most ragtag collections of starting QBs we've seen in the last 10 years in a much less pass happy scheme.That is partially why this rumor seems like wishful thinking instead of a realistic possibility. Jackson is the exact opposite of the kind of receiver a Martz offense would seek. Also, Jackson will demand a long-term deal in the 10-12M a year range from his new team, and the Bears just went on a spending spree. Just doesn't feel right to me.
No way it's true because of what? It's a deal that makes sense for both teams considering V Jackson would be gone after next season anyway. No one is ponying up and giving a 1st rounder, so why not get a 2nd and a decent prospect at the same position? I don't think Aroma has to "pan out" to make this a reasonable trade from SD's side of things.
Roy Williams put up a 1300 yard season in a Martz offense and was following it up with another 1100 yard season before getting injured and that's the only non-rookie example we have of a quality "big" receiver playing for Martz. I don't think size is as limiting factor as you think if Jackson can run the routes with timing.
I completely disagree with this.I think there is definitely reason to be excited about this and I don't think it's been mentioned yet. VJax has been talked about in various threads. Many, including myself, are sold on his ability. His numbers per target are off the charts. He's put up similar #'s to Brandon Marshall on significantly fewer targets and receptions. So what's kept him from being a true top 3-4 WR in terms of final #'s and production? His limited targets. Despite a horrid run game and the only other true receiver to take targets being Gates, the 2009 Chargers rewarded his stellar 2008 year by increasing his 101 targets to a whopping 107 targets. It really doesn't make much sense but it is what it is.Now, if he ends up in Chicago, it's certainly not a lock that he's going to see an increase in targets. It's certainly not a lock that he's going to keep up his elite per target production. However, it means it's POSSIBLE. And, based on the fact that SD just hasn't seemed willing to provide him with ample targets to put up a truly elite year, the potential of him being able to do so in Chicago is more than enough reason to be excited as a VJax owner. If Chicago does this and is willing to throw the ball 130-140 times to him, then that could potentially be huge. While nothing is a lock, there was plenty of evidence to suggest SD simply wouldn't throw to him that much and that would change if he switches teams.
Is a second-rounder-plus-a-player without VJ for the 2010 playoffs really better than a (compensatory) third-rounder with VJ for the playoffs? In other words, is having VJ instead of Aromashodu for the playoffs worth moving down from the second to the third round? I think it is.There's also the have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too scenario. Instead of trading VJ for a second-rounder-plus-a-player now, why not keep VJ for the 2010 playoffs and then tag-and-trade him for a second-rounder-plus-a-player next April? I don't think his value will ever go below that.
What he said. It's much better than the other rumors we've been hearing about a possible VJax trade, but if this is the best we're gonna get, I'd rather the Bolts stay put. No reason you couldn't trade him next year for a similar pick.
I don't believe that for a second. His value will drop significantly if he sits out.
VJ doesn't appear to think so (else he would not sit out), and he's got a lot riding on the answer to that question.(And by "sit out," we're talking about the first nine games. The probability that he'll sit out the entire year is near zero, IMO.)
Following up on my own post, after a little more reading I'm pretty certain this guy is no insider.With any rumor you want to consider the source. If it's Shefter or Clayton or someone like that, you take notice. They don't always pan out of course, but often enough, because they have credible connections. If it's me or another nobody throwing stuff out there, you probably ignore it unless something more concrete can be provided than a simple statement with no reliable source.
I agree with you if he in fact ends up sitting out the first 10 games. But I think that when push comes to shove and when he sees those checks not coming in each week, combined with the fact that, like you said, his value would take a hit with a prolonged holdout, he will swallow his pride, come in, and try to get his big payday next year. Just my hunch, though.
Didn't the Broncos only get a 2nd for Marshall? I think it's a serious possibility that the Chargers would only get a 2nd for VJ next year. If the Chargers think Aromashodu is the real deal then I don't have a problem with it.
Wouldn't you expect any trade would result in him no longer holding out?
Aromashodu is better than Naanee.
For one, G.M. Smith is a total schmuck. He blasts one of the most revered Chargers player (Tomlinson) as his fine career winds down, ships Cromartie out of town for peanuts, and fails to shore up the middle of the defense (NT, ILB, and S) which got exposed big-time down the stretch and in the playoffs last season. Now he takes a public "Highway or My Way" contract negotiation stance with two of the more key components of the team, essentially driving their trade value down in the process. And don't think for a second that the rest of the players aren't watching closely here to see how this plays out, as eventually they will all have contracts up for talks too. So I would hardly think that it is a given that the Chargers will make the playoffs in 2010. You seem to be taking quite a bit for granted here.
First of all, I wish we had got rid of LT last offseason.
Definitely. (If that contradicts anything I wrote before, I don't see it.)
Nice leg work.Think we'll see a lot more of these Twitter rumors clog up message boards, unfortunately.
Not to hijack... but I'm sticking to my guns that Knox is going to be huge this year.
No problem, I may have misread, thanks for clarification.
Will the compensatory pick system remain in place in the new CBA? Who knows. What happens if the Chargers hold VJax and he gets another DUI? What happens if the Chargers secretly like Devin Aromatherapy and he winds up blowing up this year? A bird in the hand is worth more than the exact same bird in the bush.
Broncos got two seconds for Marshall.
Really? Based on what? His 0 receptions for 0 yards in 2006? His 9 receptions for 96 yards in 2007? His 0 receptions for 0 yards in 2008? His 2 receptions for 16 yards through 12 weeks of 2009? The fact that, if the Chargers acquired him, he'd have more former NFL teams (3) than former NFL seasons (2)? Or based entirely on the fact that he had 26/282 in a four-week stretch... after both Devin Hester *AND* Johnnie Knox had been lost to injuries?We're comparing a guy with 40/375/2 in his 3-year career to a guy with 31/394/4 in his 4-year career. I really don't think any of us is in any position to be making anything even remotely resembling a definitive statement one way or another.
He didn't seem to have any trouble taking on Jay Cutler's bad publicity. I think Benson's release had a lot more to do with the fact that he had 1500 rushing yards through three seasons, and I'd go so far as to suggest that Tank Johnson's offenses dwarf anything Vincent Jackson has on his resume to date.
What bad pub did jay have? Don't recall him having trouble with the law
Jay caught a bad rep for being immature and making bad decisions, both in public intoxication, and being a jerk off on the field. I for one, thought that his drinking binges showed very poor decision making and immaturity due to him having diabetes. He's fully within his rights to drink, but too much alcohol makes it hard to control blood sugar levels. (some people might remember that thread.. lol) Then there was the way he handled his departure from Denver, not a model of class or perfection, but at this point, kinda becoming the norm in the NFL for disgruntled players. Wasn't it something about a rumor the team considering trading him, and from that point on he didn't answer phone calls from the coach and demanded a trade? I can't remember exactly how that all went down... Seemed like he got his feelings hurt or something...(edit for grammar)gigantor said:
