Running Backs Losing Jobs Midseason (1 Viewer)

[Willowdoc]

I keep hearing/reading about Addai replacing Rhodes in week 4, or Williams replacing Foster due to their superior skill, not injury. Can anyone tell me the last time this happened for a winning team? I remember Portis replacing Anderson week 4, but Portis had really won the job earlier and then been injury (my memory isn't that good if that is incorrect). Obviously injury has caused this to happen, but given the number of RBs who this is "supposed" to happen to this year:

Rhodes losing to Addai (really the most likely, I think)

Foster losing to D> Williams

Dillon losing to Maroney

T Jones losing to Benson

J Jones losing to MB III

MBell losing to TBell (or has this already happened?)

All of the above rate to be on winning/playoff contending teams.

C Brown losing to LenDale White

Lundy losing to Morency

An awful lot of precarious RB1's, but I think its a rare circumstance to actually happen.

So what's the history to back this up?

 

[Paprika]

I keep hearing/reading about Addai replacing Rhodes in week 4, or Williams replacing Foster due to their superior skill, not injury. Can anyone tell me the last time this happened for a winning team? I remember Portis replacing Anderson week 4, but Portis had really won the job earlier and then been injury (my memory isn't that good if that is incorrect). Obviously injury has caused this to happen, but given the number of RBs who this is "supposed" to happen to this year:Rhodes losing to Addai (really the most likely, I think)Foster losing to D> WilliamsDillon losing to MaroneyT Jones losing to BensonJ Jones losing to MB IIIMBell losing to TBell (or has this already happened?)All of the above rate to be on winning/playoff contending teams. C Brown losing to LenDale White Lundy losing to MorencyAn awful lot of precarious RB1's, but I think its a rare circumstance to actually happen.So what's the history to back this up?

I think the majority of those situations will remain the same all year.

 

[Spike]

I keep hearing/reading about Addai replacing Rhodes in week 4, or Williams replacing Foster due to their superior skill, not injury. Can anyone tell me the last time this happened for a winning team? I remember Portis replacing Anderson week 4, but Portis had really won the job earlier and then been injury (my memory isn't that good if that is incorrect). Obviously injury has caused this to happen, but given the number of RBs who this is "supposed" to happen to this year:Rhodes losing to Addai (really the most likely, I think)Foster losing to D> WilliamsDillon losing to MaroneyT Jones losing to BensonJ Jones losing to MB IIIMBell losing to TBell (or has this already happened?)All of the above rate to be on winning/playoff contending teams. C Brown losing to LenDale White Lundy losing to MorencyAn awful lot of precarious RB1's, but I think its a rare circumstance to actually happen.So what's the history to back this up?

These would all work for me as I have all of the guys slated to take over on various dynasty league rosters.

 

[Chaka]

Why is everyone so quick to prop up Lendale White?

Both Brown and Henry are better RBs than Lendale right now. White has been little more than an out of shape head case, which is exactly what he was at USC. At the college level he could get away with surviving on talent but he needs to demonstrate some kind any kind of work ethic before Jeff Fisher is going to put any trust in him.

 

[tikitime]

I keep hearing/reading about Addai replacing Rhodes in week 4, or Williams replacing Foster due to their superior skill, not injury. Can anyone tell me the last time this happened for a winning team? I remember Portis replacing Anderson week 4, but Portis had really won the job earlier and then been injury (my memory isn't that good if that is incorrect). Obviously injury has caused this to happen, but given the number of RBs who this is "supposed" to happen to this year:Rhodes losing to Addai (really the most likely, I think)Foster losing to D> WilliamsDillon losing to MaroneyT Jones losing to BensonJ Jones losing to MB IIIMBell losing to TBell (or has this already happened?)All of the above rate to be on winning/playoff contending teams. C Brown losing to LenDale White Lundy losing to MorencyAn awful lot of precarious RB1's, but I think its a rare circumstance to actually happen.So what's the history to back this up?

These would all work for me as I have all of the guys slated to take over on various dynasty league rosters.

Wow. You sir, are awesome.

 

[shadow2k]

Benson was going to take over for TJones by week 5 last year. If the starting RB is producing, he's not going to lose his job. So the only ones you should worry about would be the ones you think will not produce.

 

[tangfoot]

You watch a couple of other teams stumble out of the gate and see how they hand the reins over to unproven RBs.

I can see that happening with some of the teams you listed above as a contending team such as Chicago or Carolina.

In addition, if Baltimore or Jacksonville struggle, you may see a switch just for the sake of lighting a fire under the team.

 

[Muahahaha]

I keep hearing/reading about Addai replacing Rhodes in week 4, or Williams replacing Foster due to their superior skill, not injury. Can anyone tell me the last time this happened for a winning team? I remember Portis replacing Anderson week 4, but Portis had really won the job earlier and then been injury (my memory isn't that good if that is incorrect). Obviously injury has caused this to happen, but given the number of RBs who this is "supposed" to happen to this year:Rhodes losing to Addai (really the most likely, I think)Foster losing to D> WilliamsDillon losing to MaroneyT Jones losing to BensonJ Jones losing to MB IIIMBell losing to TBell (or has this already happened?)All of the above rate to be on winning/playoff contending teams. C Brown losing to LenDale White Lundy losing to MorencyAn awful lot of precarious RB1's, but I think its a rare circumstance to actually happen.So what's the history to back this up?

You are spot on. Way too much rookie Kool-Aid.

 

[LHUCKS]

As you'll see in my RB rankings I'm putting out today, I really like Maroney's chances of taking on the majority of carries by midseason...he's a beast.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Why is everyone so quick to prop up Lendale White?

Both Brown and Henry are better RBs than Lendale right now. White has been little more than an out of shape head case, which is exactly what he was at USC. At the college level he could get away with surviving on talent but he needs to demonstrate some kind any kind of work ethic before Jeff Fisher is going to put any trust in him.

In full agreement here! Just because a team uses a 1st day pick on a person doesn't mean they will get playing time automatically. As of right now, White has done nothing to warrant playing time over Brown or Henry. Fisher is also rumored to be on the hot seat, so he's going with what will win him games at this point, not to see the youth develope for someone else to manage later.

 

[Banger]

I keep hearing/reading about Addai replacing Rhodes in week 4, or Williams replacing Foster due to their superior skill, not injury. Can anyone tell me the last time this happened for a winning team? I remember Portis replacing Anderson week 4, but Portis had really won the job earlier and then been injury (my memory isn't that good if that is incorrect). Obviously injury has caused this to happen, but given the number of RBs who this is "supposed" to happen to this year:Rhodes losing to Addai (really the most likely, I think)Foster losing to D> WilliamsDillon losing to MaroneyT Jones losing to BensonJ Jones losing to MB IIIMBell losing to TBell (or has this already happened?)All of the above rate to be on winning/playoff contending teams. C Brown losing to LenDale White Lundy losing to MorencyAn awful lot of precarious RB1's, but I think its a rare circumstance to actually happen.So what's the history to back this up?

The most realistic IMO is Barber taking over. JJ averaged a little over 2 YPC in the preseason coming off a season in which he was injured again and averaged under 4 YPC. Barber's already eroded JJ's carries, is the 3rd down/short yardage back and is a better blocker and better receiver. He's had great games filling in for JJ and the coach has put JJ on notice that they are going to "rotate" and that he needs to stay healthy. Until a rookie can block he will not be the starter since no team is going to get their franchise QB killed just to get a rookie on the field.

 

[clayton crushers]

Why is everyone so quick to prop up Lendale White?

Both Brown and Henry are better RBs than Lendale right now. White has been little more than an out of shape head case, which is exactly what he was at USC. At the college level he could get away with surviving on talent but he needs to demonstrate some kind any kind of work ethic before Jeff Fisher is going to put any trust in him.

you can tell you havent read a whole lot! Lendale came into camp 25 lbs lighter so the out of shape is definately wrong he has also looked pretty good in the appearances he has made this preseason. i am sorry if you own brown and henry but white will be the starter by week 6

 

[jurb26]

At the college level he could get away with surviving on talent but he needs to demonstrate some kind any kind of work ethic before Jeff Fisher is going to put any trust in him.

What exactly would you call him showing up to camp at 230?

 

[Willowdoc]

As you'll see in my RB rankings I'm putting out today, I really like Maroney's chances of taking on the majority of carries by midseason...he's a beast.

Ok, I understand that Maroney may be the more talented back, what I am looking for is evidence that anyone, let alone Bill Bellicheck has done this. If the Pats are 5 - 3 at midseason, and Dillon is healthy, you really think Bellicheck would bench him? (The situation I am really interested in is in Carolina, but NE would be second). What I really want to see is some history that anyone has done this in the NFl in the last 5 years!

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

You are spot on. Way too much rookie Kool-Aid.

Maybe it's rare for it to happen for non injury reasons, but it's usually a 1st or 2nd year RB that displaces the vet. I don't think it's wrong to look at teams with unstable starting RBs and target the talented backup.There's probably at least one example of it every season. Sometimes it's muddied with a vet "injury". You never know if the injury was just an excuse to put the rook in there since the vet wasn't getting it done.Jamal Lewis took the job from Priest in 2002 (don't remember if it was injury).Domanick Davis took the job from Stacey Mack in 2003.Rudi Johnson took the job from Dillon in 2003 (partly due to injury).Willis McGahee took the job from Henry in 2004 (maybe injury, maybe inevitable).Those are the most recent examples I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[LHUCKS]

As you'll see in my RB rankings I'm putting out today, I really like Maroney's chances of taking on the majority of carries by midseason...he's a beast.

Ok, I understand that Maroney may be the more talented back, what I am looking for is evidence that anyone, let alone Bill Bellicheck has done this. If the Pats are 5 - 3 at midseason, and Dillon is healthy, you really think Bellicheck would bench him? (The situation I am really interested in is in Carolina, but NE would be second). What I really want to see is some history that anyone has done this in the NFl in the last 5 years!

If Maroney were healthy I think you'd see close to a 50/50 split in carries in week one...that's how much better Maroney is than Dillon IMHO. BB wants to win and Maroney is a gamer. I'm very impressed with him.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

As you'll see in my RB rankings I'm putting out today, I really like Maroney's chances of taking on the majority of carries by midseason...he's a beast.

Ok, I understand that Maroney may be the more talented back, what I am looking for is evidence that anyone, let alone Bill Bellicheck has done this. If the Pats are 5 - 3 at midseason, and Dillon is healthy, you really think Bellicheck would bench him? (The situation I am really interested in is in Carolina, but NE would be second). What I really want to see is some history that anyone has done this in the NFl in the last 5 years!

It's a gamble based on the idea that Dillon will not be healthy and/or effective based on his most recent body of work. Your situation isn't really worth considering. If the starter is healthy and performing, of course he won't get benched mid-season, especially during a winning season.If New England is 5 - 3 and Dillon is averaging 3.0 YPC, do you think Maroney has a chance to get more carries?

 

[Liopleurodon]

I keep hearing/reading about Addai replacing Rhodes in week 4, or Williams replacing Foster due to their superior skill, not injury. Can anyone tell me the last time this happened for a winning team? I remember Portis replacing Anderson week 4, but Portis had really won the job earlier and then been injury (my memory isn't that good if that is incorrect). Obviously injury has caused this to happen, but given the number of RBs who this is "supposed" to happen to this year:Rhodes losing to Addai (really the most likely, I think)Foster losing to D> WilliamsDillon losing to MaroneyT Jones losing to BensonJ Jones losing to MB IIIMBell losing to TBell (or has this already happened?)All of the above rate to be on winning/playoff contending teams. C Brown losing to LenDale White Lundy losing to MorencyAn awful lot of precarious RB1's, but I think its a rare circumstance to actually happen.So what's the history to back this up?

The most realistic IMO is Barber taking over. JJ averaged a little over 2 YPC in the preseason coming off a season in which he was injured again and averaged under 4 YPC. Barber's already eroded JJ's carries, is the 3rd down/short yardage back and is a better blocker and better receiver. He's had great games filling in for JJ and the coach has put JJ on notice that they are going to "rotate" and that he needs to stay healthy. Until a rookie can block he will not be the starter since no team is going to get their franchise QB killed just to get a rookie on the field.

I'd put my money on Addai and Maroney first. Dillon is way past his prime and Rhodes just isn't that great.The assumption with Williams is that Foster will get injured, which has happened 3 years in a row. If it happens again, the job is Williams'. If it doesn't, I really don't know what happens.Don't see Morency beating out Lundy. He had the veteran advantage going into training camp and couldn't hold off the 6th round rook. Why should he beat him out later on?Almost anything could happen in Denver, but I don't see any particular reason why MBell would stumble. If he did, he might lose out to Cobbs rather than TBell.My suspicion is that Jones will hold off Benson,although I don't have any particular reason for thinking that.I see Brown as another fragile Foster. If he gets hurt, White might beat out Henry and step in. If he doesn't, who knows?Haven't a clue about Dallas situation.

 

[PMENFAN]

Rhodes losing to Addai (really the most likely, I think)

You're probably right here. Blocking being a big part of any rookie taking over. See how quick he can pick it up. Addai is a better runner, but Rhodes simply knows the blocking schemes. I still see Addai in for 10-15% of the carries early. But, Manning cannot take getting hit. He gets flustered, as do virtually all QB's.

Foster losing to D> Williams

I just see Williams as too good to keep off the field. Fox will find a way to use him. Is Foster injury prone? He's been hurt a bit, and now he'll be carrying more of the load. Can DeAngelo be a 3rd down back? I see a RBBC developing here, more than DeShaun losing his job.

Dillon losing to Maroney

Another RBBC. Maroney is also too good to keep off the field. The Pats have split him out in formations. Put Dillon at FB? BB used the formation with the Browns when he had the two backs? It'll be interesting, because the Pats haven't had this personnel under BB. Maroney has looked explosive in the pre-season, and it's been w/ the 1's, against the 1's. He'll play, and Dillon will play. They'll both be fresh, and they'll use both to attack a given defense on a given week.

T Jones losing to Benson

Not if Jones continues to run like he did last year. I didn't see anything from Benson that would suggest he could take the job. Jones finally realized his potential in Chitown. And, they've got Benson to keep him fresh. I do see Benson getting 5-8 touches, but Jones is the #1. RBBC? Sort of.

J Jones losing to MB III

Julie S will get hurt. It's a question of when and how often. And Barber is a capable backup. I see Barber getting in and filling the shoes capably.

MBell losing to TBell (or has this already happened?)

Denver is a RBBC system. Sort of like the Pats area WRBC system. Unless one goes down I'd be hesitant to start just one. You know they'll get yards and TD's, but who? It's a crap shoot, and a fantasy nightmare. One week 24 points, the next 6, but a solid averave. Too much aggravation for me to contend with, so I just stay away from Shanny. Great coach, great system, but fantasy ulcers. All of the above rate to be on winning/playoff contending teams.

C Brown losing to LenDale White

I said Chris Brown was soft when he came into the league, and many here chided me for it. I still stand by that. Has flashed of brilliance, but on the whole, I don't like him as an NFL back. I like LenDale as an NFL back, and think the staff in TN can get him straight. I think sittign him went a long way. Young men are impressionable, and small power moves have big impact. He'll get his shot, and I think he'll succeed.

Lundy losing to Morency

I don't think the saff is high on either, as judged by their signing of Dayne. Dayne might emerge as the starter by week 3 or 4. I'd give him the inside track. He knows the system from Denver/Kubs, and he's an upgrade over the other 2. Any of the 3 are low RB2 at best, but RB3 most likely. I could be wrong, but I wont be looking to Houston for my RB help at my draft tonight. A 12th round draft pick, if Dayne's sitting there and I have 4RB's already? Sure, I'll take the flier, but that's about it.

 

[jurb26]

Rhodes losing to Addai (really the most likely, I think)

I don't agree here. I think either Rhodes emergs as the better RB or it's a full fledged RBBC all year long. I've just never been impressed with Addai enough to see him starting.

Foster losing to D. Williams

I think this is the most likely of the group. Foster is built like a wet paper bag and Williams has more talent anyway IMO.

Dillon losing to Maroney

I can easily see this happening if Dillon plays like he did last year. I still think Williams has a better chance though.

T Jones losing to Benson

Just don't see this happening outside of injury. It seems like Benson is doing everything he can do blow this opportunity. Plus, I've never really been all that sold on his ability either.

J Jones losing to MB III

Yuck, this could be an ugly one. I don't know that Barber can ever take over the featured role, but RBBC is on the horizon...

MBell losing to TBell (or has this already happened?)

I think it will happen, but also could be another RB other than Tatum that takes over and he keeps his 15 touch or so role.

C Brown losing to LenDale White

I don't even know that Brown is the one to loose the role here in the 1st place. It may in fact be Henry. At any rate, I think White is the best RB on the team and will eventually find his place on the field.

Lundy losing to Morency

Another RBBC IMO.

 

[The Ref]

As you'll see in my RB rankings I'm putting out today, I really like Maroney's chances of taking on the majority of carries by midseason...he's a beast.

Ok, I understand that Maroney may be the more talented back, what I am looking for is evidence that anyone, let alone Bill Bellicheck has done this. If the Pats are 5 - 3 at midseason, and Dillon is healthy, you really think Bellicheck would bench him? (The situation I am really interested in is in Carolina, but NE would be second). What I really want to see is some history that anyone has done this in the NFl in the last 5 years!

If Maroney were healthy I think you'd see close to a 50/50 split in carries in week one...that's how much better Maroney is than Dillon IMHO. BB wants to win and Maroney is a gamer. I'm very impressed with him.

I think the long term prospects of Maroney are very big, but don't be so quick to brush aside Dillion. He's looked good this pre season. He is also in the best shape he's been over the past few years.

 

[cr8f]

I keep hearing/reading about Addai replacing Rhodes in week 4, or Williams replacing Foster due to their superior skill, not injury. Can anyone tell me the last time this happened for a winning team? I remember Portis replacing Anderson week 4, but Portis had really won the job earlier and then been injury (my memory isn't that good if that is incorrect). Obviously injury has caused this to happen, but given the number of RBs who this is "supposed" to happen to this year:Rhodes losing to Addai (really the most likely, I think)Foster losing to D> WilliamsDillon losing to MaroneyT Jones losing to BensonJ Jones losing to MB IIIMBell losing to TBell (or has this already happened?)All of the above rate to be on winning/playoff contending teams. C Brown losing to LenDale White Lundy losing to MorencyAn awful lot of precarious RB1's, but I think its a rare circumstance to actually happen.So what's the history to back this up?

Why not Dunn losing to Norwood.LJ losing to Michael Bennett.Barring injury most of those won't hapen imo.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Jerome Harrison.

 

[LHUCKS]

As you'll see in my RB rankings I'm putting out today, I really like Maroney's chances of taking on the majority of carries by midseason...he's a beast.

Ok, I understand that Maroney may be the more talented back, what I am looking for is evidence that anyone, let alone Bill Bellicheck has done this. If the Pats are 5 - 3 at midseason, and Dillon is healthy, you really think Bellicheck would bench him? (The situation I am really interested in is in Carolina, but NE would be second). What I really want to see is some history that anyone has done this in the NFl in the last 5 years!

If Maroney were healthy I think you'd see close to a 50/50 split in carries in week one...that's how much better Maroney is than Dillon IMHO. BB wants to win and Maroney is a gamer. I'm very impressed with him.

I think the long term prospects of Maroney are very big, but don't be so quick to brush aside Dillion. He's looked good this pre season. He is also in the best shape he's been over the past few years.

I'm not brushing him aside...I just believe that as soon as Maroney is 100% he'll be splitting touches with Dillon...especially in close games. He's a difference maker. Dillon is solid, but he's no longer a difference maker between the 20's.

 

[fsufan]

I keep hearing/reading about Addai replacing Rhodes in week 4, or Williams replacing Foster due to their superior skill, not injury. Can anyone tell me the last time this happened for a winning team? I remember Portis replacing Anderson week 4, but Portis had really won the job earlier and then been injury (my memory isn't that good if that is incorrect). Obviously injury has caused this to happen, but given the number of RBs who this is "supposed" to happen to this year:Rhodes losing to Addai (really the most likely, I think)Foster losing to D> WilliamsDillon losing to MaroneyT Jones losing to BensonJ Jones losing to MB IIIMBell losing to TBell (or has this already happened?)All of the above rate to be on winning/playoff contending teams. C Brown losing to LenDale White Lundy losing to MorencyAn awful lot of precarious RB1's, but I think its a rare circumstance to actually happen.So what's the history to back this up?

I see more RBBC than an RB taking overI think more NFL teams are going to RBBC than past years. I think having 2 good RBs is almost as important as a good back up QB.

 

[Willowdoc]

Jamal Lewis took the job from Priest in 2002 (don't remember if it was injury).Domanick Davis took the job from Stacey Mack in 2003.Rudi Johnson took the job from Dillon in 2003 (partly due to injury).Willis McGahee took the job from Henry in 2004 (maybe injury, maybe inevitable).Those are the most recent examples I can think of off the top of my head.

Thanks for attempting to answer my question, although I really appreciate the discussion as well. Lewis seems to have won the job in training camp in 2002 (though FBG game logs don't go back there, so I couldn't check for sure). Johnson took the job from Dillon due to injury, when Dillon came back from injury he actually got the job back for 1 game then never recovered the job. McGahee seems to have won the job due to a Henry injury then played well enough that Henry didn't get the job back. That leaves us only with Stacy Mack and Dom Davis, Houston not a winning team so its not comparable, and Stacy Mack wasn't really a true incumbent (in this way he would be comparable to Foster, though Foster is far more talented that Stacy Mack).LHucks - I appreciate both your comments here and the other threads, so I am going to take a closer look at maroney, especially if I am going with a 2 WR strategy in the 10 slot. I have five drafts to go.

 

[vherub]

Read this article and realize that while the names change, the overoptimism and realiable hindsight stay mostly the same

http://www.footballdocs.com/rookie_rbs_2005.html

rookie backs rarely are consistently good choices to start each week, and when they are, durability issues strike more often than with vet backs

it would be interesting if someone crunched the numbers of the impact of rookie runningbacks the last ten years compared to the starters they replaced as well as the stats the year preceeding the new arrival.

 

[shadow2k]

You are spot on. Way too much rookie Kool-Aid.

Maybe it's rare for it to happen for non injury reasons, but it's usually a 1st or 2nd year RB that displaces the vet. I don't think it's wrong to look at teams with unstable starting RBs and target the talented backup.There's probably at least one example of it every season. Sometimes it's muddied with a vet "injury". You never know if the injury was just an excuse to put the rook in there since the vet wasn't getting it done.Jamal Lewis took the job from Priest in 2002 (don't remember if it was injury).Domanick Davis took the job from Stacey Mack in 2003.Rudi Johnson took the job from Dillon in 2003 (partly due to injury).Willis McGahee took the job from Henry in 2004 (maybe injury, maybe inevitable).Those are the most recent examples I can think of off the top of my head.

Priest was never trusted. He had one good year in BAL in 98, where he barely cracked 1,000yds. But he really only had two good games if I remember right, both against...Cinci I think, one in which he went over 200yds. He was hurt in 99, and Jamal took over in 2000. They never wanted Priest as a starter.Stacey Mack is...well, Stacey Mack. 2003 was his first year in TEX, he was in JAX not starting the year before. Never cracked 1,000yds rushing in a season.Dillon got hurt in 2003, yeah. He wasn't going to lose his job that year if he stayed healthy.Henry got hurt in 2004, he was still the starter up until that point.You're right, there is probably at least one every season. And if you can pick that one out of the eight or so choices people are tossing around this year, more power to you. But I'd think you'd have better odds going with the vets.

 

[traderkirk]

Read this article and realize that while the names change, the overoptimism and realiable hindsight stay mostly the same

http://www.footballdocs.com/rookie_rbs_2005.html

rookie backs rarely are consistently good choices to start each week, and when they are, durability issues strike more often than with vet backs . . . unless you got Carnell Williams late. Then you scored big. Sure, it was 1 out of 5 but its not like you are heavily investing. What else would you do with a late round pick?

 

[Chaka]

Why is everyone so quick to prop up Lendale White?

Both Brown and Henry are better RBs than Lendale right now. White has been little more than an out of shape head case, which is exactly what he was at USC. At the college level he could get away with surviving on talent but he needs to demonstrate some kind any kind of work ethic before Jeff Fisher is going to put any trust in him.

you can tell you havent read a whole lot! Lendale came into camp 25 lbs lighter so the out of shape is definately wrong he has also looked pretty good in the appearances he has made this preseason. i am sorry if you own brown and henry but white will be the starter by week 6

Must you start off with a belittling comment? Is it that difficult to start your reply with "I disagree with your post and this is why:"?

Regarding Lendale losing 25 lbs is a far cry from being in shape. He had manboobs at the combine and desperately had to try to shed lbs before the start of training camp. He is lighter, not in better shape.

He has been average at best in training camp and at no time have I heard anyone other than a message board poster indicate anything other than Chris Brown is starting and Travis Henry is the backup.

The spitting incident is another issue as it shows that Lendale is demonstrating the same tendencies that worried people when he was at USC. While Reggie Bush was busy studying game film, or maybe even y'know...doing school work Lendale was driving in his slammed escalade with his lackeys telling him how invincible he was. He was not a hard worker at USC and he is not showing anyone that he is a hard worker now.

And as far as pimping players who are on my team please don't try that with me. I am not that guy. Notice the absence of a fantasy team in my sig.

 

[Mike Shanahan Fan]

Once my ploy is successful, then Mike Bell will lose his job midseason.

 

[Chaka]

At the college level he could get away with surviving on talent but he needs to demonstrate some kind any kind of work ethic before Jeff Fisher is going to put any trust in him.

What exactly would you call him showing up to camp at 230?

Desperation?Work ethic would have been demonstrated if he had shown up at the combine or even his pro day at 230.

 

[jurb26]

Is it that difficult to start your reply with "I disagree with your post and this is why:"?Regarding Lendale losing 25 lbs is a far cry from being in shape. He had manboobs at the combine and desperately had to try to shed lbs before the start of training camp. He is lighter, not in better shape.

You sound absurd here.

 

[jurb26]

At the college level he could get away with surviving on talent but he needs to demonstrate some kind any kind of work ethic before Jeff Fisher is going to put any trust in him.

What exactly would you call him showing up to camp at 230?

Desperation?Work ethic would have been demonstrated if he had shown up at the combine or even his pro day at 230.

It's not getting any better. There was a legit reason he was overweight at the Pro Day and this has been covered a 1000 times.

 

[Chaka]

Is it that difficult to start your reply with "I disagree with your post and this is why:"?Regarding Lendale losing 25 lbs is a far cry from being in shape. He had manboobs at the combine and desperately had to try to shed lbs before the start of training camp. He is lighter, not in better shape.

You sound absurd here.

Please expand.

 

[ffchamp1]

I keep hearing/reading about Addai replacing Rhodes in week 4, or Williams replacing Foster due to their superior skill, not injury. Can anyone tell me the last time this happened for a winning team? I remember Portis replacing Anderson week 4, but Portis had really won the job earlier and then been injury (my memory isn't that good if that is incorrect). Obviously injury has caused this to happen, but given the number of RBs who this is "supposed" to happen to this year:

Rhodes losing to Addai (really the most likely, I think) Rhodes will hold the job all year

Foster losing to D> Williams Foster will share with Goings and Williams will be a non-factor

Dillon losing to Maroney Maroney will be the man between the twenties, Dillon inside em.

T Jones losing to Benson Benson will be #2 all year

J Jones losing to MB III Barber will get the lionshare soon enough

MBell losing to TBell (or has this already happened?) Tatum will be the leader or a 3-headed monster

All of the above rate to be on winning/playoff contending teams.

C Brown losing to LenDale White Brown will eventually take over for Henry

Lundy losing to Morency Lundy will be this years FWP, minus the F

An awful lot of precarious RB1's, but I think its a rare circumstance to actually happen.

So what's the history to back this up?

 

[jurb26]

Is it that difficult to start your reply with "I disagree with your post and this is why:"?Regarding Lendale losing 25 lbs is a far cry from being in shape. He had manboobs at the combine and desperately had to try to shed lbs before the start of training camp. He is lighter, not in better shape.

You sound absurd here.

Please expand.

There's clearly no point. You've made up you mind to hate the guy and no matter what he does outside of curing cancer (probably still not enough) I'm sure nothing will change it.

 

[Chaka]

At the college level he could get away with surviving on talent but he needs to demonstrate some kind any kind of work ethic before Jeff Fisher is going to put any trust in him.

What exactly would you call him showing up to camp at 230?

Desperation?Work ethic would have been demonstrated if he had shown up at the combine or even his pro day at 230.

It's not getting any better. There was a legit reason he was overweight at the Pro Day and this has been covered a 1000 times.

Uhhhhhh...not buying it.His rep at USC is the same thing we saw at the combine, the pro day and in camp.

btw I would like to point out that I think Lendale has mad physical talent and I truly believe he could be a top notch NFL running back. My concern lies completely with what is going on between his ears.

 

[jurb26]

At the college level he could get away with surviving on talent but he needs to demonstrate some kind any kind of work ethic before Jeff Fisher is going to put any trust in him.

What exactly would you call him showing up to camp at 230?

Desperation?Work ethic would have been demonstrated if he had shown up at the combine or even his pro day at 230.

It's not getting any better. There was a legit reason he was overweight at the Pro Day and this has been covered a 1000 times.

Uhhhhhh...not buying it.His rep at USC is the same thing we saw at the combine, the pro day and in camp.

btw I would like to point out that I think Lendale has mad physical talent and I truly believe he could be a top notch NFL running back. My concern lies completely with what is going on between his ears.

So you're not buying a legit MRI that showed a torn hamstring... color me surprised.

 

[ffchamp1]

Why is everyone so quick to prop up Lendale White?

Both Brown and Henry are better RBs than Lendale right now. White has been little more than an out of shape head case, which is exactly what he was at USC. At the college level he could get away with surviving on talent but he needs to demonstrate some kind any kind of work ethic before Jeff Fisher is going to put any trust in him.

you can tell you havent read a whole lot! Lendale came into camp 25 lbs lighter so the out of shape is definately wrong he has also looked pretty good in the appearances he has made this preseason. i am sorry if you own brown and henry but white will be the starter by week 6

White only starts in week 6 if he is suddenly playing in the CFL

 

[Chaka]

Is it that difficult to start your reply with "I disagree with your post and this is why:"?Regarding Lendale losing 25 lbs is a far cry from being in shape. He had manboobs at the combine and desperately had to try to shed lbs before the start of training camp. He is lighter, not in better shape.

You sound absurd here.

Please expand.

There's clearly no point. You've made up you mind to hate the guy and no matter what he does outside of curing cancer (probably still not enough) I'm sure nothing will change it.

That's unfair Jurb. This is not my first time posting at FBG I know the drill and can be swayed by a decent argument.Lendale has done absolutely nothing since the Rose Bowl to show he is worthy of all this praise that is being heaped upon him by the fantasy football communtiy.He has tremendous physical skill but has not shown the willingness to harness it.

 

[Chaka]

At the college level he could get away with surviving on talent but he needs to demonstrate some kind any kind of work ethic before Jeff Fisher is going to put any trust in him.

What exactly would you call him showing up to camp at 230?

Desperation?Work ethic would have been demonstrated if he had shown up at the combine or even his pro day at 230.

It's not getting any better. There was a legit reason he was overweight at the Pro Day and this has been covered a 1000 times.

Uhhhhhh...not buying it.His rep at USC is the same thing we saw at the combine, the pro day and in camp.

btw I would like to point out that I think Lendale has mad physical talent and I truly believe he could be a top notch NFL running back. My concern lies completely with what is going on between his ears.

So you're not buying a legit MRI that showed a torn hamstring... color me surprised.

Not as an excuse to gain 30+ pounds of fat. No.

 

[jurb26]

OK, I'll give you the benifit of the doubt then even though there have been 100s of post and threads about this already. How exactly does a guy who put on 25 lbs from lack of train that was caused from a legit torn hammy loose that misterious 25 lbs back off suddenly after the injury has healed? Ummm, maybe because he begain TRAINING again. Which would lead me to say that your comment was absurd that he lost the weight, yet was in no better shape.

 

[jurb26]

At the college level he could get away with surviving on talent but he needs to demonstrate some kind any kind of work ethic before Jeff Fisher is going to put any trust in him.

What exactly would you call him showing up to camp at 230?

Desperation?Work ethic would have been demonstrated if he had shown up at the combine or even his pro day at 230.

It's not getting any better. There was a legit reason he was overweight at the Pro Day and this has been covered a 1000 times.

Uhhhhhh...not buying it.His rep at USC is the same thing we saw at the combine, the pro day and in camp.

btw I would like to point out that I think Lendale has mad physical talent and I truly believe he could be a top notch NFL running back. My concern lies completely with what is going on between his ears.

So you're not buying a legit MRI that showed a torn hamstring... color me surprised.

Not as an excuse to gain 30+ pounds of fat. No.

This is why I find your stance so absurd. You are willing to acknowledge that the injury and lack of training is what lead to his weight gain. Yet not willing to acknowledge that training is what lead to it coming back off. It appears, to me, that there is nothing the guy can do to possible please you.

 

[SteelerMurf]

You watch a couple of other teams stumble out of the gate and see how they hand the reins over to unproven RBs.I can see that happening with some of the teams you listed above as a contending team such as Chicago or Carolina.In addition, if Baltimore or Jacksonville struggle, you may see a switch just for the sake of lighting a fire under the team.

But what historic precidence have you seen for this besides in Denver? It hardly ever happens, week #1 starter is week #17 starter unless there is an injury almost all the time.

 

[Chaka]

OK, I'll give you the benifit of the doubt then even though there have been 100s of post and threads about this already. How exactly does a guy who put on 25 lbs from lack of train that was caused from a legit torn hammy loose that misterious 25 lbs back off suddenly after the injury has healed? Ummm, maybe because he begain TRAINING again. Which would lead me to say that your comment was absurd that he lost the weight, yet was in no better shape.

Whoa it's not the losing it, that I am concerned with it's the gaining it to begin with. How much weight do you think T.O., Hines Ward and Steve Smith have put on? Hammy injuries don't stop one from being able to maintain their condition. Dude got fat with a capital F-A-T.And the fact that he has lost 25lbs so quickly is also a legitimate concern however since I am not arguing against his physical talent I will not push my belief that losing the weight so rapidly did not help his overall physical conditioning as much as some believe (loss of more muscle mass than fat is my concern).

It just worries me that the guy has done very almost nothing positive and everything negative since he left USC but so many people are annointing him the starting tailback job ahead of two proven NFL caliber RBs. Lendale may be more physically gifted than the others but if he lacks the maturity to turn that potential into production then what good will that physical talent be?

p.s. I hope he grows out of it. I really do.

 

[jurb26]

OK, I'll give you the benifit of the doubt then even though there have been 100s of post and threads about this already. How exactly does a guy who put on 25 lbs from lack of train that was caused from a legit torn hammy loose that misterious 25 lbs back off suddenly after the injury has healed? Ummm, maybe because he begain TRAINING again. Which would lead me to say that your comment was absurd that he lost the weight, yet was in no better shape.

Whoa it's not the losing it, that I am concerned with it's the gaining it to begin with. How much weight do you think T.O., Hines Ward and Steve Smith have put on? Hammy injuries don't stop one from being able to maintain their condition. Dude got fat with a capital F-A-T.And the fact that he has lost 25lbs so quickly is also a legitimate concern however since I am not arguing against his physical talent I will not push my belief that losing the weight so rapidly did not help his overall physical conditioning as much as some believe (loss of more muscle mass than fat is my concern).

It just worries me that the guy has done very almost nothing positive and everything negative since he left USC but so many people are annointing him the starting tailback job ahead of two proven NFL caliber RBs. Lendale may be more physically gifted than the others but if he lacks the maturity to turn that potential into production then what good will that physical talent be?

p.s. I hope he grows out of it. I really do.

Noboday says he is the starter now. They simply think he will earn that role. White did not gain all that weight suddenly after the hammy injury, he played the Rose Bowl at 250.

 

[BGP]

I keep hearing/reading about Addai replacing Rhodes in week 4, or Williams replacing Foster due to their superior skill, not injury. Can anyone tell me the last time this happened for a winning team?

An awful lot of precarious RB1's, but I think its a rare circumstance to actually happen.

So what's the history to back this up?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/game...eeWi01.htm#2002As a rookie, RB William Green became the full-time starter for the Browns in week 11 of 2002. The Browns, 4-5 at the time, went 5-2 the rest of the season to finish as a winning team at 9-7 (and making the playoffs). From week 11 on, Green was a workhorse, rushing 172 times for 726 yards for 4.2 yards per carry and 5 touchdowns.

He ran hard that year. Since then, he has looked very tenative and indecisive carrying the ball. Reports from the 2006 training camp say that he has looked outstanding in practice but then not very good at all in games.

I remember Green's 2002 season. Green looked absolutely horrible until week 11. He rushed 71 times for 151 yards, 2.1 ypc. It wasn't until the Browns' coaching staff decided to just feed him the ball 20+ times that he exploded. That's what he is - he is NOT an RBBC back. If you feed him the ball a lot, he finds his rhythm and becomes a stud. The Browns probably are making a mistake by essentially letting him go - but I can understand it since this staff never will give him that many carries so they don't know what he can do. Then again, I doubt any other club will give him that sort of opportunity, either, since he's one strike away from a one-year suspension for drugs. Its really the drug issue that's killing his career, imho.

 

[BGP]

It really is unfortunate that it came down to placing William Green on IR. It would've been a sharky thing to stash him at the back end of your roster in case Droughns went down. He might have gotten those 20+ carries again. But now we'll probably never know.

 

[Chaka]

OK, I'll give you the benifit of the doubt then even though there have been 100s of post and threads about this already. How exactly does a guy who put on 25 lbs from lack of train that was caused from a legit torn hammy loose that misterious 25 lbs back off suddenly after the injury has healed? Ummm, maybe because he begain TRAINING again. Which would lead me to say that your comment was absurd that he lost the weight, yet was in no better shape.

Whoa it's not the losing it, that I am concerned with it's the gaining it to begin with. How much weight do you think T.O., Hines Ward and Steve Smith have put on? Hammy injuries don't stop one from being able to maintain their condition. Dude got fat with a capital F-A-T.And the fact that he has lost 25lbs so quickly is also a legitimate concern however since I am not arguing against his physical talent I will not push my belief that losing the weight so rapidly did not help his overall physical conditioning as much as some believe (loss of more muscle mass than fat is my concern).

It just worries me that the guy has done very almost nothing positive and everything negative since he left USC but so many people are annointing him the starting tailback job ahead of two proven NFL caliber RBs. Lendale may be more physically gifted than the others but if he lacks the maturity to turn that potential into production then what good will that physical talent be?

p.s. I hope he grows out of it. I really do.

Noboday says he is the starter now. They simply think he will earn that role. White did not gain all that weight suddenly after the hammy injury, he played the Rose Bowl at 250.

Correct on both counts.You will be shocked to find it doesn't really do to much to soften my stance on the guy.