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Colin's 15 yard scamper was the longest TD run of a QB in Super Bowl history.Scoreboard.Running QB's are a aberration, a nice to want, a one man version of the Run and Shoot.Statues like Brady, Manning x2, Namath.....Money baby.Am I wrong, deluded or misguided? I think not.Peace

 
The way the NFL is going, this will likely happen at least a couple times in the next decade. Because the QB's who can run in the NFL right now, the young ones that franchises will ride for their careers, can also pass.

 
I agree with Skins. You havecto differentiate between run first guys and running QBs who can pass and read Defenses.

 
Aren't there statistically LESS running QBs than pocket passing QBs (meaning of course they win more Super Bowls)? Now that there are more than a few mobile QBs in the league, we can see if this argument holds up or not.If RG3 stays healthy, no way this guy doesn't win a ring. But he's a good passer OMG!Also, what qualifications make the Super Bowl so special? A lot of times staying healthy is the problem of a mobile QB.(There, I've summarized nearly every point should and will be made in this thread.)

 
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So a missed holding call in the end zone proves running QBs can't win a SB?
Right? Literally one play away from winning it all and the apparent explanation is that Kaepernick is a "running qb". If Trent Dilfer can win a Super Bowl, a running QB can win a Super Bowl.
 
Colin's 15 yard scamper was the longest TD run of a QB in Super Bowl history.

Scoreboard.

Running QB's are a aberration, a nice to want, a one man version of the Run and Shoot.

Statues like Brady, Manning x2, Namath.....Money baby.

Am I wrong, deluded or misguided? I think not.

Peace
Yes.
 
I agree with the OP. They'll never be 100% come time for the playoffs and the hits will shorten their careers. The best way to get one to win a SB is doing what SF did. Shorten their season.

 
Colin's 15 yard scamper was the longest TD run of a QB in Super Bowl history.Scoreboard.Running QB's are a aberration, a nice to want, a one man version of the Run and Shoot.Statues like Brady, Manning x2, Namath.....Money baby.Am I wrong, deluded or misguided? I think not.Peace
Wasn't Steven Young a "running QB?"
 
Colin's 15 yard scamper was the longest TD run of a QB in Super Bowl history.Scoreboard.Running QB's are a aberration, a nice to want, a one man version of the Run and Shoot.Statues like Brady, Manning x2, Namath.....Money baby.Am I wrong, deluded or misguided? I think not.Peace
Wasn't Steven Young a "running QB?"
He ran for 293 yards the year they won the SB.
He ran for 407 the previous year when he was All-Pro. I doubt those 11 carries fewer carries during the season were the reason the 49ers lost at the Cowboys in the playoffs. It's more likely that we're dealing with small sample sizes and a lack of QB's who can run AND pass the ball well who also play for good teams. I think Kaepernick, Newton and Griffin are all capable of winning a SB if they stay healthy - but I do believe running the ball less will help stay healthy and increase their chances.
 
Colin's 15 yard scamper was the longest TD run of a QB in Super Bowl history.Scoreboard.Running QB's are a aberration, a nice to want, a one man version of the Run and Shoot.Statues like Brady, Manning x2, Namath.....Money baby.Am I wrong, deluded or misguided? I think not.Peace
Wasn't Steven Young a "running QB?"
He ran for 293 yards the year they won the SB.
He was the 49ers leading rusher in that Super Bowl and he was their 2nd leading rusher in both the rounds before that.
 
A running QB didn't win the SB because he didn't even run enough. The 49ers best chance at winning was to run, run, run with Kaepernick more in the first half, instead of giving it to Gore. This would have allowed them to set up the play-action to throw in the second half.

 
The best thinig a running QB can do is pick his spots during the regular season to try and stay healthy and refine his passing game and then be more reckless if you like in the playoffs. I don't think Elway does that helicopter run if it is week 5 of the season. Super Bowl, you lay it out on the line.

 
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I'm pretty sure a receiving QB won't win a Super Bowl. That one is a much safer bet.In the SB era, there have been 49 times that a QB has averaged 30 rushing yards a game and played in at least 8 games in a season (with Bobby Douglas leading the way with 69 rushing yds/gm in 1972). That was accomplished by 23 different QBs.Given that there has been on average roughly one QB to average 30 yards rushing a game per season since they started playing the SB, the data set is rather small. By comparison, there were 992 QB seasons where a player passed for 2,000+ yards in a season in that time. That's basically a 20 to 1 ratio compared to the rushing QB data set.With 26 of those 49 seasons happening since the 2000 season (and 9 in the past 3 years), there appears to be more QBs that run with the football than in other eras. The likelihood that one of them will win a Super Bowl is getting higher based just on the math.

 
So a missed holding call in the end zone proves running QBs can't win a SB?
I think there were other plays that were not ran well up to that point. Like the fact that they were down by 20+ in the first place. A game is 60 minutes not one play, but think what you like.
 
Awful thread. Lots of crappy fishing expeditions going on here. No wonder I usually avoid this place like the plague during the offseason.

 
Colin's 15 yard scamper was the longest TD run of a QB in Super Bowl history.

Scoreboard.

Running QB's are a aberration, a nice to want, a one man version of the Run and Shoot.

Statues like Brady, Manning x2, Namath.....Money baby.

Am I wrong, deluded or misguided? I think not.

Peace
Wasn't Steven Young a "running QB?"
He ran for 293 yards the year they won the SB.
He ran for 407 the previous year when he was All-Pro. I doubt those 11 carries fewer carries during the season were the reason the 49ers lost at the Cowboys in the playoffs. It's more likely that we're dealing with small sample sizes and a lack of QB's who can run AND pass the ball well who also play for good teams.

I think Kaepernick, Newton, Russell Wilson, and Griffin are all capable of winning a SB if they stay healthy - but I do believe running the ball less will help stay healthy and increase their chances.
Can't forget that guy too. He rushed for a ton of yards and runs a 4.5. He's a pretty good runner.
 
So a missed holding call in the end zone proves running QBs can't win a SB?
Which holding call are you referring to? The one on Crabtree? You forgot to include IF the holding was called and then IF they scored on the next play or IF they didn't hold and Crabtree made the catch. Too many hypotheticals. Or are you referring to the holding on the intentional safety? Because if it's the later, the play would result in the same. Two points for SF and the clock still wouldn't have stopped until the play is over. But I agree with your overall argument. Running QB's can absolutely win the SB. No question about it in my mind. Now if the OP said win multiple, like Montana, Brady, Bradshaw, Aikman, etc., then I'd be more inclined to agree. I think it'll be hard for a running QB's body to hold up in the current NFL long enough to win multiple SB's.
 
Does anyone else remember when Joe Montana, John Elway, and Steve Young were considered "running QBs"? That was in opposition to quarterbacks who really did lack scrambling ability, such as Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, and Ken Anderson.

 
So a missed holding call in the end zone proves running QBs can't win a SB?
Actually I think it was the beautiful throw to #20 that proves they can't win.The problem with Running QBs is not that they run ... it's that they think run first. The more you run, the more you get hit, the more you turn it over, the more you get hurt.By the time they have figured it out they can no longer run.I would have thought RGIII was the exception to the rule because he is an outstanding passer but he ran like a fool his rookie year and who knows if he will ever be the same.As far a Kaepernick ... I am not nearly as impressed as everyone else. Take away his running, which they will, and he is an ok QB ... but I am pretty sure he will regress quickly like they all do.
 
Does anyone else remember when Joe Montana, John Elway, and Steve Young were considered "running QBs"? That was in opposition to quarterbacks who really did lack scrambling ability, such as Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, and Ken Anderson.
They were considered QBs that could run ...Not Running QBs
 
I agree with the OP. They'll never be 100% come time for the playoffs and the hits will shorten their careers. The best way to get one to win a SB is doing what SF did. Shorten their season.
In the new rules against hitting QB's it is much more likely that they win SBs. If this was the 90's or earlier, most of these guys would have been on IR by week 16. Some would even get the
. Different story these days.
 
I agree with the OP. They'll never be 100% come time for the playoffs and the hits will shorten their careers. The best way to get one to win a SB is doing what SF did. Shorten their season.
In the new rules against hitting QB's it is much more likely that they win SBs. If this was the 90's or earlier, most of these guys would have been on IR by week 16. Some would even get the
While I agree that the rules help the change in offense will not, IMHO.These guys seem to be running a lot more and getting hit a lot more often. Your typical 'stand in the pocket' QB will be in much better health come playoff time then a guy running the read-option all season.I heard on the radio something to the effect of- If Cam Newtown continues his pace he will be hit more in 5 years then Brady has in 10....That's huge down the stretch.
 
They were considered QBs that could run ...Not Running QBs
Well, no, Montana et al weren't running the Veer or anything.I'd counterargue that the current crew of running QBs -- going by passer rating -- are legit throwing QBs that happen to be able to run really well. But I agree with others that reckless use of this running ability leads to injury.

But I think teams and individuals are learning to run judiciously and "safely" to the point where the risk of leaving the pocket is about the same as staying in. Not sure what Cam Newton is doing to get hit so often ... but Kaepernick seems never to sustain a hard shot. And sure, it takes just one -- same as it does in the pocket.

 
For all those saying that running QB's can't survive, IMO that' completely depends on the offensive system, o-line and QB's tendencies/smarts. Kapernick got hit less than the average QB per drop backs, and even less when running the read option. Russell Wilson also seems to avoid the big hits. Meanwhile guys like Vick and RG3 seem to get blown up by a big hit quite regularly.

 
Colin's 15 yard scamper was the longest TD run of a QB in Super Bowl history.Scoreboard.Running QB's are a aberration, a nice to want, a one man version of the Run and Shoot.Statues like Brady, Manning x2, Namath.....Money baby.Am I wrong, deluded or misguided? I think not.Peace
Ironically, if Kap had run three times in that last series, they win.
 
'shader said:
Colin's 15 yard scamper was the longest TD run of a QB in Super Bowl history.Scoreboard.Running QB's are a aberration, a nice to want, a one man version of the Run and Shoot.Statues like Brady, Manning x2, Namath.....Money baby.Am I wrong, deluded or misguided? I think not.Peace
Ironically, if Kap had run three times in that last series, they win.
How so? How can you say IF he ran three time that he scores?
 
A running QB didn't win the SB because he didn't even run enough. The 49ers best chance at winning was to run, run, run with Kaepernick more in the first half, instead of giving it to Gore. This would have allowed them to set up the play-action to throw in the second half.
I thought the 49ers should have used the pistol formation much more. The offense was much more effective in that formation. When Kaepernick has the option to run the ball, the Ravens always had a person on him. They would frequently push Kaepernick, just to let him know they were there. That is certainly one way to prevent the QB from running. They did this against the Redskins too in the regular season. But dedicating a player to the QB opens things up for the RB and passing game.
 
A running QB didn't win the SB because he didn't even run enough. The 49ers best chance at winning was to run, run, run with Kaepernick more in the first half, instead of giving it to Gore. This would have allowed them to set up the play-action to throw in the second half.
I thought the 49ers should have used the pistol formation much more. The offense was much more effective in that formation.

When Kaepernick has the option to run the ball, the Ravens always had a person on him. They would frequently push Kaepernick, just to let him know they were there. That is certainly one way to prevent the QB from running. They did this against the Redskins too in the regular season. But dedicating a player to the QB opens things up for the RB and passing game.
8 yards per play as I recall...
 
'shader said:
Colin's 15 yard scamper was the longest TD run of a QB in Super Bowl history.Scoreboard.Running QB's are a aberration, a nice to want, a one man version of the Run and Shoot.Statues like Brady, Manning x2, Namath.....Money baby.Am I wrong, deluded or misguided? I think not.Peace
Ironically, if Kap had run three times in that last series, they win.
How so? How can you say IF he ran three time that he scores?
If not Kaep, then Gore. The mistake I think they made was not using a TO after Gore's big run to the 7 so he could rest. Running LMJ right up the middle, even with Ngata out, was a bad call. And then forcing three straight passes to Crabtree? C'mon.
 
'shader said:
Colin's 15 yard scamper was the longest TD run of a QB in Super Bowl history.Scoreboard.Running QB's are a aberration, a nice to want, a one man version of the Run and Shoot.Statues like Brady, Manning x2, Namath.....Money baby.Am I wrong, deluded or misguided? I think not.Peace
Ironically, if Kap had run three times in that last series, they win.
How so? How can you say IF he ran three time that he scores?
If not Kaep, then Gore. The mistake I think they made was not using a TO after Gore's big run to the 7 so he could rest. Running LMJ right up the middle, even with Ngata out, was a bad call. And then forcing three straight passes to Crabtree? C'mon.
It's always a bad play call if it doesn't work out. Right? That's how all of us armchair coaches think (I'm guilty of this too). I just think it's silly saying thing like if Kaep runs three times they win, like it's a certainty. I wish I had a crystal ball too! We're all Einstein's when thinking about things in hindsight. I agree the play calling was a little puzzling though, not utilizing the run. They could have at least run the ball one more time before the clock became a factor. But I can't really blame them throwing the ball 3 times to their best WR. They were having luck before that (Kaep was 16/25 before those three passes).
 

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