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Don't know if he's elite or not in the pass catching category but Favre only gave up 2 sacks over the last games so he's certainly not a liability. With regard to pass catching he had 30-150 in 1/2 season of work. I'd say that's decent.
Pretty Clear that McCarthy is committed to GrantIf someone fell to the Pack I think they would take him (as the Vikes did with AP even though they had a decent back in Chester Taylor).But I dont see that happening - more likely the pack will take a later round pick/chance kind of guy.Anyone who thinks Wynn/Jackson have any shot of starting ever for the Packers so long as Grant is in the house is smokin crack.AussieOyOyOy said:
These are very reasonable questions. Name some RBs that went undrafted that have been starters in the NFL for more than 1 season....Priest Holmes, and who else exactly? Now I have to admit, he has looked very good. I didn't see the playoff game, but he ran for over 200 yards after fumbling twice in the first 4 minutes. That takes a confident and strong player to do something like that. The real question, however, is what Green Bay is going to do at the position this offseason. We will definitely see what happens, and I think there are some very valid arguments defending Grant, but those that are skeptical have every right to be due to his lack of pedigree and the minimal success of others with a similar history. By the way, Emmitt Smith was the 17th overall pick in the 1990 draft, and dominated at the college level. Apples and oranges, comparing Grant to the NFL career rushing leader...hauser42 said:
Wasn't Willie Parker undrafted?
Grant was highly recruited to Notre Dame he ran into some grade problems and younger players took his plays away later in his career. He has talent he just needed some breaks to show it. Packers also have Jackson when it comes to running back depth, he has showed some talent as of late. Both of these guys are very young players.Comperision to Emmitt was that he had no real standout talent when you look at him. Yes he was a 1st round pick but he could have very easily turnded into Blair Thomas career. Neal Anderson came out of the same college with much better talent according to scouts and it didn't get him to the HOF.
Never suggested that at all. He had some playoff jitters and played very well after that (setting several GB records). Grant>>>any other RB on the roster.
So there are two undrafted RB that have remained starters in the NFL for more than one season. That doesn't really change my argument that much.
You may be right, but usually very talented players don't need a "break" at the college level to show it...it's extremely obvious. Now there are exceptions, like I have said, but the odds are against Ryan Grant being a long term answer at this point.
So would it be much different if he would have been drafted in the 6th round? Since they gave up a 6th for him they obviously feel he had some value.All that matters is what happens when he's on the field. You think a coach at this point is going to care where he was drafted? Obviously not since their second rounder is mopping up for the UDFA.
One way I could see Favre not coming back is if the manage to pull off a Super Bowl win.
I don't know the answer to this, but can he repeat those kind of numbers IF Favre retires?
How did he have jitters?
If Rodgers is the guy and plays like he did against Dallas...I think Grant could repeat those kind of numbers.
I cannot answer that. If the O-line stays intact and healthy I think he can. Aaron Rodgers looked good against Dallas, but that was only 1 game.
Huge stage, 1st playoff game, Lambeau field, he's a "rookie", gameplan revolves around him, etc. It's not as if he's been a "fumbler", in 200+ touch's this year he had 1 fumble prior to that.
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Jackson has looked better the last few games.Not just because Detroit sucked.But in that he was much more decisive than early in the year in making his cuts. Less dancing and waiting for the hole...and more cutting it upfield and making some good gains.
I think he's Barlow Redux if Favre retires.
This is definitely the problem. Unfortunately I would rather GB trade away Jackson to a team that fits his running style instead of trying to change him. The kid has talent, but he doesn't fit the one-cut system that Grant is excelling in. This has always been true. In his days at Nebraska he was always a bit of a "jitterbug" running back. I'll also say that he seems to be a slow learner, as evidenced by his slow progress in the NFL, as well as his slow development in college. However, at the college level he seemed to just "get it" after awhile, like the switch went on and suddenly he knew how to run. Hopefully, for his sake, this will happen for him in the NFL also.
He won't lose it unless he gets hurt. They way they stuck with him after 2 fumbles shows all you need to see.
Then why in the hell did the Packers trade up and select him in the second round?
What is a problem about him being more decisive now and running better now that he has been there longer?I don't see him as that much of a slow learner...nor that it was that slow of progress.He is a rookie.How many other rookies stepped right in and played at a high level this year?
Peterson and Lynch, off the top of my mind. Bradshaw when given opportunity. Most rookie RBs come in and play well if given the opportunity...Jackson was given every opportunity to open the season and he stunk. He had a good game stats-wise against DET, but overall in that game his running wasn't very good.
Couldn't that just be process variance? Similar to tossing a coin and getting "heads" 20 times in a row?
It could be but does it really matter at the end of the day? The bottomline was that the team stuck with him despite a terrible first few touch's and he paid them back by setting several GB playoff records.Couldn't that just be process variance? Similar to tossing a coin and getting "heads" 20 times in a row?
So...two guys that were drafted pretty high int he first round came in and played well.It took Bradshaw a while.It took Jackson a while.Most rookie RBs.How many were drafted ahead of or near Jackson this year...how many came right in and played that well?His running was actually very good against Detroit and Seattle.We all realize you will consider him a bust pretty much no matter what he does.
Understand, I'm not bashing the kid. I own him in my dynasty and I followed him all through his college career as a Husker fan. However, he definitely is a slow learner. His Junior year in college (his last), he started the season as the #4 running back. By the end of the season, he had worked his way up to the top. He was a highly regarded recruit, so its not like he wasn't expected to perform well. But, it did take him several seasons to really even reach the field (he didn't play much prior to his Jr. year). As to why the Packers drafted him so high in the 2nd round when he doesn't seem to fit their system? Hell if I know. Ask them.
Can't agree, but it seems the line and WR's are blocking better now. When a guy has 2 fumbles early and they stick with that's all you need to see. Jackson should be the change of pace back. He dances too much and will have to be more decisive even if Grant gets hurt. The guy explodes through thr holes.
You are correct about the O-line. However, Grant will still be the #1 back next year. What is likely though is that it becomes a 1A and 1B situation. Brandon Jackson has looked very good lately so I think the Packers feel that both backs are capable and will eventually split their time.
I agree with you in regards to this year Grant is the man, I'm just saying that next year may not play out the same as this year. I would rather have Grant than Jackson, but I think long term, it is far from a done deal with all things considered.
Umm....he was hurt most of his college career.
This is the way I feel as well. The Packers right now definitely have much more confidence in Grant, but Jackson is a rookie and there's definitely no guarantee that he will amount to nothing in this league. I think he'll get a shot to increase his carries next year
Nothing's guaranteed, but Jackson would have to improve a lot and Grant would have to decline or get hurt.
Agreed. There's nothing to indicate that Grant will suddenly struggle in their offense. He seems to be a perfect blend of power and speed. It's one cut and turn it upfield and when he hits a crease he has the speed to take it to the house. If it ain't broke why fix it? I can understand the Jackson owners hoping something will change but I'd put the chances that he'll take over without an injury are very small. The fact that he was drafted in the 2nd is totally meaningless at this point.
I agree that Grant has a great chance at success, but it is all too common for a young RB to start out like that and then fade away for some reason. I'm stuck with Kevin Jones after becoming a believer in 2004. In the last 8 games of 2004:172 carries for 906 yards (5.3 YPC) 4 TDs. While not as stellar as what Grant did this year, it makes me stop and think.Jones hasn't even cracked 700 yds/season for the last 3 years, mainly due to injury, but still...
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