Ryan Mathews & Mike Tolbert, RBs, San Diego Chargers (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

shady, who do you root for anyway? The Giants?

Obviously I see you all summer in the Yankee thread, but I've never seen you in an NFL team's thread.

 

[shadyridr]

shady, who do you root for anyway? The Giants?Obviously I see you all summer in the Yankee thread, but I've never seen you in an NFL team's thread.

49ers

 

[Raider Nation]

i dont think hes as much to blame as is san diegos decimated oline and rivers inconsistency

I get frustrated with the kid, obviously, but I'm not blind. You are on the money about his O-line. I lost count of how many times he's getting crushed before he even tries to hit the hole.

 

[Hendo]

Mathews went from top 5 to bottom 5 real quick. Hes extremely frustrating to own right now. He has not done squat since week 3

 

[shadyridr]

Mathews went from top 5 to bottom 5 real quick. Hes extremely frustrating to own right now. He has not done squat since week 3

bottom five? really?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

How was tolbert used today? Was he in at goalline??

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Mathews went from top 5 to bottom 5 real quick. Hes extremely frustrating to own right now. He has not done squat since week 3

bottom five? really?

Bottom five among starters. In the AFC.West.

 

[Scrappy Doo]

Guess who's back on the injury report?

Yep - Ryan Mathews has another new injury - limited in Wednesday's practice with a knee.

 

[Scrappy Doo]

I might as well have drafted Samuel L. Jackson from "Unbreakable".

 

[coachbobbyfinstock]

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Does this make tolbert a must start against denver?

 

[phillybirds]

This guy is killing me.

I'm thinking of sitting him for Crabtree.

 

[Scrappy Doo]

Does this make tolbert a must start against denver?

Mathews is supposedly probable so maybe it's nothing too serious but who knows with this guy - every friggin week it's something new - ankles, knees, elbows, groins, hammys, yeast infections - I avoided him early last year and thought I was getting good value on him in the 5th this year.Wish I had traded him high. Just don't see how I can trust him into the playoffs.Not liking his prospects against this motivated DEN defense in what should be a fast game with DEN running out the clock with mostly rushing plays.

 

[phillybirds]

I know a lot of the problems with SanDiego the last few weeks has been the O-Line. Can anyone give a summery of what's going on with that? Is it a lot of injuries or just lack of talent or what? Is it going to get better?

 

[Scrappy Doo]

I know a lot of the problems with SanDiego the last few weeks has been the O-Line. Can anyone give a summery of what's going on with that? Is it a lot of injuries or just lack of talent or what? Is it going to get better?

When LT Marcus McNeill first went out (and it looks like he's not coming back by the way) the backup LT Dombrowski really struggled to pass protect. But his protection improved last week and I think Rivers wasn't sacked. But in addition to LT, I think they have all sorts of other injuries on the interior and multiple backups playing.Any Charger homers with better info on this OL?

 

[phillybirds]

I know a lot of the problems with SanDiego the last few weeks has been the O-Line. Can anyone give a summery of what's going on with that? Is it a lot of injuries or just lack of talent or what? Is it going to get better?

When LT Marcus McNeill first went out (and it looks like he's not coming back by the way) the backup LT Dombrowski really struggled to pass protect. But his protection improved last week and I think Rivers wasn't sacked. But in addition to LT, I think they have all sorts of other injuries on the interior and multiple backups playing.Any Charger homers with better info on this OL?

Thanks. Hopefully a homer can give some more info. At this point he doesn't seem like a must start anymore. More like a really risky start. Between the Chargers limiting his touches and snaps, the O-Line playing poorly due to injuries and what not, competing with Tolbert, and showing up with a new injury every week...how does one start him with any confidence going forward. I know it's just a couple of games...maybe I'm overreacting?

 

[red]

Mathews injured again:

Ryan Mathews - RB - Chargers

NEWS: Ryan Mathews was limited in Wednesday's practice due to knee soreness.

ANALYSIS:  The guy just can't get healthy.  Coach Norv Turner said after the workout that he "doesn't have any expectations" for Mathews' recovery, and the Chargers don't even know if Mathews will be able to practice on Thursday.  It sounds like Mathews will be questionable for Week 12, and perhaps on a snap count if he plays against the Broncos.  He'll continue to be a dicey fantasy start.

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[shadyridr]

Ryan Mathews (knee) told reporters after Wednesday's "limited" practice that he expects to practice on Thursday.Mathews insists he could've pracitced in full Wednesday had the Chargers let him. He did concede that he he's experiencing lingering "soreness" from Sunday's loss to the Bears. "Hopefully he's alright and can practice tomorrow," said coach Norv Turner. It's fair to wonder if the Chargers are losing a bit of faith in Mathews from both a durability and job security standpoint.

 

[Mistabishi]

Mathews injured again:

Ryan Mathews - RB - Chargers

NEWS: Ryan Mathews was limited in Wednesday's practice due to knee soreness.

ANALYSIS:  The guy just can't get healthy.  Coach Norv Turner said after the workout that he "doesn't have any expectations" for Mathews' recovery, and the Chargers don't even know if Mathews will be able to practice on Thursday.  It sounds like Mathews will be questionable for Week 12, and perhaps on a snap count if he plays against the Broncos.  He'll continue to be a dicey fantasy start.

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Thanks for posting this.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I know a lot of the problems with SanDiego the last few weeks has been the O-Line. Can anyone give a summery of what's going on with that? Is it a lot of injuries or just lack of talent or what? Is it going to get better?

When LT Marcus McNeill first went out (and it looks like he's not coming back by the way) the backup LT Dombrowski really struggled to pass protect. But his protection improved last week and I think Rivers wasn't sacked. But in addition to LT, I think they have all sorts of other injuries on the interior and multiple backups playing.Any Charger homers with better info on this OL?

Thanks. Hopefully a homer can give some more info. At this point he doesn't seem like a must start anymore. More like a really risky start. Between the Chargers limiting his touches and snaps, the O-Line playing poorly due to injuries and what not, competing with Tolbert, and showing up with a new injury every week...how does one start him with any confidence going forward. I know it's just a couple of games...maybe I'm overreacting?

Kris Dielman is the Chargers best run blocker, and he's missed the last 4 games with a concussion/seizure and is on IR. McNeil is a former Pro Bowl LT, and he's out indefinitely. Louis Vasquez was an NFL All Rookie Guard in '09, and he's out. His backup, Tyronne Greene is generally the first OL off the bench, and he's injured as well. Essentially, the Charger are giving a lot of snaps to a 6th round rookie and 2 street FA's signed last week. Saying the OL is decimated is an understatement.

 

[ldizzle]

I know a lot of the problems with SanDiego the last few weeks has been the O-Line. Can anyone give a summery of what's going on with that? Is it a lot of injuries or just lack of talent or what? Is it going to get better?

When LT Marcus McNeill first went out (and it looks like he's not coming back by the way) the backup LT Dombrowski really struggled to pass protect. But his protection improved last week and I think Rivers wasn't sacked. But in addition to LT, I think they have all sorts of other injuries on the interior and multiple backups playing.Any Charger homers with better info on this OL?

Thanks. Hopefully a homer can give some more info. At this point he doesn't seem like a must start anymore. More like a really risky start. Between the Chargers limiting his touches and snaps, the O-Line playing poorly due to injuries and what not, competing with Tolbert, and showing up with a new injury every week...how does one start him with any confidence going forward. I know it's just a couple of games...maybe I'm overreacting?

The oline wasnt that good to begin with. They recently signed some olineman to replace 2 injured starters vasquez and dielman.They held up better this past weekend but csnt be trusted. I think dombrowski is one of the worst lineman ive seen in a long time.Its one thing or another with matthews. Hes hurt. Then hes healthy but fumbles. Gets no red zone opportunities. Frustrating but he can put up yardage if he gets the touches.

 

[Sunday Devil]

Does this make tolbert a must start against denver?

Mathews is supposedly probable so maybe it's nothing too serious but who knows with this guy - every friggin week it's something new - ankles, knees, elbows, groins, hammys, yeast infections - I avoided him early last year and thought I was getting good value on him in the 5th this year.Wish I had traded him high. Just don't see how I can trust him into the playoffs.Not liking his prospects against this motivated DEN defense in what should be a fast game with DEN running out the clock with mostly rushing plays.

Yeast infections can land you on IR

 

[phillybirds]

Kris Dielman is the Chargers best run blocker, and he's missed the last 4 games with a concussion/seizure and is on IR. McNeil is a former Pro Bowl LT, and he's out indefinitely. Louis Vasquez was an NFL All Rookie Guard in '09, and he's out. His backup, Tyronne Greene is generally the first OL off the bench, and he's injured as well. Essentially, the Charger are giving a lot of snaps to a 6th round rookie and 2 street FA's signed last week.

Saying the OL is decimated is an understatement.

Thank YouSounds like Matthews owners should start making other plans?

 

[Addai's Adidas]

I'm starting Sproles and D. Williams over him this week in non PPR. No confidence here.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Kris Dielman is the Chargers best run blocker, and he's missed the last 4 games with a concussion/seizure and is on IR. McNeil is a former Pro Bowl LT, and he's out indefinitely. Louis Vasquez was an NFL All Rookie Guard in '09, and he's out. His backup, Tyronne Greene is generally the first OL off the bench, and he's injured as well. Essentially, the Charger are giving a lot of snaps to a 6th round rookie and 2 street FA's signed last week.

Saying the OL is decimated is an understatement.

Thank YouSounds like Matthews owners should start making other plans?

San Diego put ANOTHER OL on IR today - Scott Mruczkowski is done for the season. Even the patches from the patchwork OL are going down. ooF.

 

[Scrappy Doo]

Crap - my only other options are John Kuhn and Mark Ingram.

It's non-PPR too so these guys may be better anyway for at least their GL TDs.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Via Twitter Ryan Mathews did not practice today - see Bloom's feed for the info.

 

[phillybirds]

I wish I traded this guy when I had the chance.

 

[TheFootballJesus]

The worst kind of bum- the one that sucks when he plays, gets nicked up all the time, but flashes just enough promise to keep him in your lineup

 

[AngryPatriot]

When some of us brought up serious concerns about this guy after a couple bad weeks we got lambasted with posts as to how awesome he was.... 6 weeks ago. Funny, I don't see them posting right now. Who's starting him with confidence now? Tolbert is back to being a better start than RM. At least Tolbert is involved in the passing game. The writing was on the wall: Rivers, Turner, Tolbert, injuries, overall Charger character issues or whatever it is.... Does he have talent? Of course but for fantasy football purposes, nearing the most crucial parts of the season, he's a non-factor at the moment. and if he were to go off he'd probably be firmly planted on the bench unless you are truly hurting.

 

[The_Fonz]

Happy tolbert owner my decision to bench Jacobs for tolbert is looking a little easier to swallow.

 

[Raider Nation]

When some of us brought up serious concerns about this guy after a couple bad weeks we got lambasted with posts as to how awesome he was.... 6 weeks ago. Funny, I don't see them posting right now. Who's starting him with confidence now?

shady. He's going down with the ship.

 

[Scrappy Doo]

Not that it really matter but does anyone know how/when he even hurt his knee? I mean WTF?!?!? I thought it was a groin and he had plenty of time to heal from that. And he barely did anything in that last game and didn't show any injury during or after the game.

Maybe he slipped on the way to the gynecologist?

 

[Touchdown There]

Run DMC

Jamaal Charles

Fred Jackson

Ryan Williams

Mikel LeShoure

Jahvid Best

Peyton Hillis

Knowshon Moreno

Felix Jones

Ahmad Bradshaw

Hightower

Pretty long list and this is running backs only. Ryan Mathews is RB11 and still in the fight for 2011 owners. For some reason, he takes more heat than the rest of the list.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

via Twitter:

Ryan Mathews returns to practice no brace on the knee appears good to go barring setback.

 

[shadyridr]

When some of us brought up serious concerns about this guy after a couple bad weeks we got lambasted with posts as to how awesome he was.... 6 weeks ago. Funny, I don't see them posting right now. Who's starting him with confidence now?

shady. He's going down with the ship.

dude i said one good thing about him three weeks ago and barely said anything else in this thread since then. you need to take your obsessions with me elsewhere

 

[shadyridr]

wish i sold high on him earlier in the year. now ill play matchups with him from here on out. huge disappointment. i dont think hes as much to blame as is san diegos decimated oline and rivers inconsistency

I really don't see any writing on the wall for the Chargers except for their offensive line (and Rivers) playing unimpressive football. The Bears are an elite defense. Not going to judge Mathews' future on this game.

Will there be a game in the next several weeks where he has 130 rushing, 85 receiving and 2 TDs? Probably.

ya think? his schedule is really tough and he only has 3tds ALL year

rn do these sound like comments of someone going down with the ship?

 

[phillybirds]

The worst kind of bum- the one that sucks when he plays, gets nicked up all the time, but flashes just enough promise to keep him in your lineup

I can't argue with that. He got back to practice today. So now I'm in a situation where I feel like if I sit him, this will be the week he comes back and puts up nice numbers. But if I start him over someone who's been more consistent lately and he burns me...

 

[Scrappy Doo]

The worst kind of bum- the one that sucks when he plays, gets nicked up all the time, but flashes just enough promise to keep him in your lineup

I can't argue with that. He got back to practice today. So now I'm in a situation where I feel like if I sit him, this will be the week he comes back and puts up nice numbers. But if I start him over someone who's been more consistent lately and he burns me...

So what the hell is going on here? No injury reported from the last game. Then on Wednesday he's limited and on Thursday he totally misses practice. Now on Friday he's back. So what's going on here - was it swelling or soreness in the knee or a real/structural knee problem?My other options are really bad and I'm in a make or break game to get into the playoffs......PLAYOFFS?!?!??!?..........PLAYOFFS!?!??!?!

 

[phillybirds]

The reports haven't been specific as to what his knee issue is/was.

Only thing being reported (that I've read) is he practiced without a knee brace and is expected to play.

 

[Raider Nation]

rn do these sound like comments of someone going down with the ship?

Wrong Mathews thread, brah!

only way either puts up RB 1 numbers is if the other is injured, otherwise they are both solid flex plays (with the upside of RB2 numbers).side note - adios norv turner, its been a long time coming.

SOlid flex plays. mathews was the 6th ranked RB before last week. He was an RB1. Jeez talk about people overreacting to one bad game that wasnt even a bad statistical game.

Don't overreact to one game. Mathews has had a nice season, a top 10 RB season in PPR, with 6 games with more than 100 total yards. Before tonight, he averaged 20.25 touches per game. He's only missed one game and he's shown toughness, a fight to stay on the field. He was close to playing Sunday and he played well through an injury tonight. I'll start him with confidence next week, assuming he'll be fully recovered (or closer to it) from the groin injury.

seriously, unless injured he'll be locked into my lineup as my RB2 all year. Jeez some people are ridiculous.

I'll have a hard time starting Mathews over Tolbert the rest of this season. I keep waiting for Mathews to beat the wrap on him, but he doesn't. Meanwhile Tolbert just packs a lunch and goes to work every week. I could see Mathews doing well late in the season again like last year, when the games are meaningless for SD.

First 7 weeks of the season, Mathews had 122 touches to Tolbert's 75 touches. Thats a 60/40 split in favor of Mathews. In week 8, Tolbert was out and Mathews got all the touches. In week 9, Mathews was out and Tolbert got all the touches. Last night, Tolbert had 12 touches to Mathews 9 touches despite Mathews being more effective with his touches (5.7 YPC & 7.7 YPR). So why would you let one game influence you with 7 other weeks of experience that tells you to start Mathews over Tolbert?

 

[shadyridr]

rn do these sound like comments of someone going down with the ship?

Wrong Mathews thread, brah!

only way either puts up RB 1 numbers is if the other is injured, otherwise they are both solid flex plays (with the upside of RB2 numbers).

side note - adios norv turner, its been a long time coming.

SOlid flex plays. mathews was the 6th ranked RB before last week. He was an RB1. Jeez talk about people overreacting to one bad game that wasnt even a bad statistical game.

Don't overreact to one game. Mathews has had a nice season, a top 10 RB season in PPR, with 6 games with more than 100 total yards. Before tonight, he averaged 20.25 touches per game. He's only missed one game and he's shown toughness, a fight to stay on the field. He was close to playing Sunday and he played well through an injury tonight. I'll start him with confidence next week, assuming he'll be fully recovered (or closer to it) from the groin injury.

seriously, unless injured he'll be locked into my lineup as my RB2 all year. Jeez some people are ridiculous.

I'll have a hard time starting Mathews over Tolbert the rest of this season. I keep waiting for Mathews to beat the wrap on him, but he doesn't. Meanwhile Tolbert just packs a lunch and goes to work every week.

I could see Mathews doing well late in the season again like last year, when the games are meaningless for SD.

First 7 weeks of the season, Mathews had 122 touches to Tolbert's 75 touches. Thats a 60/40 split in favor of Mathews. In week 8, Tolbert was out and Mathews got all the touches. In week 9, Mathews was out and Tolbert got all the touches. Last night, Tolbert had 12 touches to Mathews 9 touches despite Mathews being more effective with his touches (5.7 YPC & 7.7 YPR). So why would you let one game influence you with 7 other weeks of experience that tells you to start Mathews over Tolbert?

dude i said one good thing about him three weeks ago and barely said anything else in this thread since then.

 

[Raider Nation]

What are you trying to say?

 

[shadyridr]

And FYI their OLine has been DECIMATED by injuries since then. Its not all his fault. Im benching him this week for Benson and will probably start Tate over him in the playoffs

 

[Raider Nation]

And FYI their OLine has been DECIMATED by injuries since then. Its not all his fault. Im benching him this week for Benson and will probably start Tate over him in the playoffs

I would drop him outright, but someone would pick him up and if that came back to bite me in the playoffs I'd never forgive myself.

 

[Tau837]

I'm starting Mathews with confidence. The OL issues are concerning, but I'm giving him another shot this week.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm starting Mathews with confidence. The OL issues are concerning, but I'm giving him another shot this week.

Oh, come on!

 

[Apple Jack]

With confidence? What could you possibly have seen recently to give you confidence?

 

[Scrappy Doo]

With confidence? What could you possibly have seen recently to give you confidence?

Maybe he slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

[cvnpoka]

I'm starting Mathews with confidence. The OL issues are concerning, but I'm giving him another shot this week.

Oh, come on!

mebbe his other option is cj2.0ypc. im not exactly ecstatic about mathews but hes way better than most options.