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I wasn't able to see the game Chargers vs Chiefs game wk1 and am curious how Mathews looked. He is someone I was targetting but he went too early in both my money leagues. I'm considering trying to buy low after his mediocre week 1 performance, but would like some insight on how he looked before making a move.

Is he a good buy low candidate right now? Did he get the goaline looks?

 
IIRC he got a goaling carry, but they passed the next play to Gates.

I am a Mathews owner, and was really hoping for more, especially in the PPR format. But the weather dictated alot of the play calling early.

I wouldn't be too concerned right now, as he played alot of snaps and still got close to 80 yards rushing in bad conditions against a jacked up KC D.

 
75 yards 0 tds and a nice fumble to seal the deal.... didn't look like the next LT or the best back in the draft but really all three backs didn't do great. Spiller and Best looked worse so Im hopin thats rookie jitters

 
75 yards 0 tds and a nice fumble to seal the deal.... didn't look like the next LT or the best back in the draft but really all three backs didn't do great. Spiller and Best looked worse so Im hopin thats rookie jitters
No one expects him to be as good as LT, but LT did fumble 3 times in his first 2 games...just saying. :thumbup:
 
I think Matthews looked good. He ran hard and showed patience. With that being said ... he is the running back on an offense that is going to throw a hell of a lot. They also have big wide receivers and a big tight end so he will lose out on a lot of the goal line looks.

 
I Watched the entire game and he started out very strongly. AFter the fumble he looked a little less decisive but Matthews will be a stufd this year. The game rained heavily making it hard to sustain drives and Arrowhead was louder then ever.

When Matthews gets home there is no way he doesn't hit 100 yards.

 
The thing that scares me is they used Sproles a lot. Sproles is the 3rd down back and the 2 minute drill back. Obviously, if Mathews puts up 75 yards a game he'll get his 1000 yards most likely. But I'm not sure the TD's will be there as we hoped.

 
I watched the entire game as a Matthews, Rivers, Floyd, Charles, Bowe owner, and it was pretty frustrating for those guys due to the monsoon weather conditions. Matthews looked pretty solid. He didn't break many runs, but he was consistently picking up a few yards here and there against what looked to be a motivated and improved KC front. Unfortunately, on his longest gain of the night, he had the ball stripped. But, all in all, he looked pretty solid. Also remember that San Diego got down in this game by two scores, so they tried to pass more than they'll typically do when leading.

I feel good about Matthews. I'm a little concerned about Charles, Guy rips of a 56 yard TD run on his second carry and Haley/Weis still wants to split carries evenly with T Jones. Hopefully that was somewhat dictated by weather as well.

 
I was unimpressed to the point that I was glad I didn't end up with Mathews on any of my teams. He showed no burst and no power. I'd never seen him play before. He didn't look "special" at all.

That said, with his role on that team he will score some fantasy points. But he looks like a mediocre runner.

 
I was unimpressed to the point that I was glad I didn't end up with Mathews on any of my teams. He showed no burst and no power. I'd never seen him play before. He didn't look "special" at all. That said, with his role on that team he will score some fantasy points. But he looks like a mediocre runner.
you clearly need to watch more of this guy when he isn't playing in a swamp. He is known for his burst and power.
 
great feedback. sounds like he was very involved in the offense dispite the weather and score. he looked to be a very decisive runner in the preseason and plays on a good offense. thanks.

 
Forget the game vs K.C , this week will tell you what you want to know.I see him getting 100 yards and 2 td`s
Why forget the KC game? Conditions were setup for running the football and, even when they were not down by 2 scores, San Diego was a throwing offense.
 
How did he LOOK?

Average.

What does that mean?

Nothing.

It was an odd game from start to finish and for the Chiefs to beat the Chargers... DIFFERENT things had to happen.

He will do just fine..

 
I'd be more concerned about the amount of carries given to Sproles, particularly in the 4th quarter. I thought Mathews looked ok, but other than the nice run where he fumbled he pretty much plowed into the first line of defense and got tackled. He wasn't making anyone miss and he didn't break tackles. Don't think you can blame that on a wet field.

 
I'd be more concerned about the amount of carries given to Sproles, particularly in the 4th quarter. I thought Mathews looked ok, but other than the nice run where he fumbled he pretty much plowed into the first line of defense and got tackled. He wasn't making anyone miss and he didn't break tackles. Don't think you can blame that on a wet field.
:unsure: Especially since Jamaal Charles, Javier Arenas, and Dexter McCluster had no problems making people miss.
 
I thought he looked marginally better than Knowshon Moreno did last year. I was expecting more considering how solid he looked in preseason. Now I gotta figure out it if he was beating up on soft defenses in August or the weather really hampered him Monday night.

 
I'd be more concerned about the amount of carries given to Sproles, particularly in the 4th quarter.
I hope people weren't expecting him to get 85% of the team's RB carries like Chris Johnson gets.Before the season, I had Mathews projected to get 69% of the RB carries, and Monday night he actually got 73%. I think that's about what we can expect going forward as Sproles continues in the third-down/two-minute role, and Tolbert gets a series or two each game as well.Nonetheless, that's plenty to make Mathews a solid fantasy RB2, at a minimum.On Monday night, I was impressed by his power and balance, but not by his run vision. I thought he chose the wrong hole a few times (although it's hard to tell from the TV angles).
 
I'd be more concerned about the amount of carries given to Sproles, particularly in the 4th quarter.
I hope people weren't expecting him to get 85% of the team's RB carries like Chris Johnson gets.Before the season, I had Mathews projected to get 69% of the RB carries, and Monday night he actually got 73%. I think that's about what we can expect going forward as Sproles continues in the third-down/two-minute role, and Tolbert gets a series or two each game as well.Nonetheless, that's plenty to make Mathews a solid fantasy RB2, at a minimum.On Monday night, I was impressed by his power and balance, but not by his run vision. I thought he chose the wrong hole a few times (although it's hard to tell from the TV angles).
That's quite a common mistake.
 
He wasn't making anyone miss and he didn't break tackles.
I think he'll break more than his fair share of tackles over the course of the season, but he may not make many people miss. He's a power-runner with excellent straight-line speed, but he doesn't have anywhere near the lateral agility or moves of, say, a young LaDainian Tomlinson.
 
I'd be more concerned about the amount of carries given to Sproles, particularly in the 4th quarter.
I hope people weren't expecting him to get 85% of the team's RB carries like Chris Johnson gets.Before the season, I had Mathews projected to get 69% of the RB carries, and Monday night he actually got 73%. I think that's about what we can expect going forward as Sproles continues in the third-down/two-minute role, and Tolbert gets a series or two each game as well.

Nonetheless, that's plenty to make Mathews a solid fantasy RB2, at a minimum.

On Monday night, I was impressed by his power and balance, but not by his run vision. I thought he chose the wrong hole a few times (although it's hard to tell from the TV angles).
:shrug: This is just what I was thinking. He didn't look like he was hitting the holes cleanly and often seemed to be running up the back of his blockers. Maybe the holes just weren't there but that was my take on him.

Of course I wouldn't judge him on one game, especially one where conditions were as poor as this one.

 
I'd be more concerned about the amount of carries given to Sproles, particularly in the 4th quarter.
I hope people weren't expecting him to get 85% of the team's RB carries like Chris Johnson gets.Before the season, I had Mathews projected to get 69% of the RB carries, and Monday night he actually got 73%. I think that's about what we can expect going forward as Sproles continues in the third-down/two-minute role, and Tolbert gets a series or two each game as well.Nonetheless, that's plenty to make Mathews a solid fantasy RB2, at a minimum.On Monday night, I was impressed by his power and balance, but not by his run vision. I thought he chose the wrong hole a few times (although it's hard to tell from the TV angles).
It's the late game absence that concerns me. Yes, they were passing but there was plenty of clock and he wasn't in the game. He got 2 carries in the 4th quarter and wasn't in the game on the final drive (or during the 2-minute drill at the end of the first half). They also weren't very creative on getting him the ball. They only threw to him twice, with one completion, and both were in the first half.
 
Guy consistently picked up 4-5 yards a carry. Although it was like watching the Cubs when they find a lineup that worked it was changed. Once Matthews got them to 2-5 or 2-6 run game was abandoned for the passing game, and in came sproles when it was 3-5 or 3-6 to try and get a 1st down. Matthews was not given too much of a chance.

As far as Mccluster and Arenas- you are comparing apples to oranges. They already have a head of steam built up from punts. Not fair to say they showed more "burst and speed" than Matthews.

Charles on the other hand did break his from the backfield. Nothing to say to come back at that for Matthews except that overall offensive plan for each team was different. Numbers are pretty close 22 attempts between charles and jones and 19 for matthews, but I am betting those or 90% of those carries were in 1st half. Then the score goes up by two touchdowns and run game is an afterthought.

 
Guy consistently picked up 4-5 yards a carry. Although it was like watching the Cubs when they find a lineup that worked it was changed. Once Matthews got them to 2-5 or 2-6 run game was abandoned for the passing game, and in came sproles when it was 3-5 or 3-6 to try and get a 1st down. Matthews was not given too much of a chance. As far as Mccluster and Arenas- you are comparing apples to oranges. They already have a head of steam built up from punts. Not fair to say they showed more "burst and speed" than Matthews. Charles on the other hand did break his from the backfield. Nothing to say to come back at that for Matthews except that overall offensive plan for each team was different. Numbers are pretty close 22 attempts between charles and jones and 19 for matthews, but I am betting those or 90% of those carries were in 1st half. Then the score goes up by two touchdowns and run game is an afterthought.
charles looked like the best running back on the field though between him and matthews by far. he had 8 less carries and more rushing yards
 
1. Chargers RB Ryan Mathews (first round, 12th overall)

Last week's ranking: 1

The preseason favorite for Rookie of the Year made a couple of rookie mistakes in his NFL debut. Mathews, playing in rainy conditions in Kansas City, lost a fumble and knocked into QB Philip Rivers on a play-action play forcing Rivers to fumble. The Chiefs' defense had a fabulous game, especially the front four, and Mathews finished the game with 75 yards on 19 carries, almost four yards a carry. But the Chargers showed how much confidence they have in making Mathews their horse for the season, proving he can be extremely productive this season.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/09/1...points-in-debut

 
I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do when they try more to get him on the edges. And please, Sproles brings very little to the table, IMO.

 
the rover said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
I'd be more concerned about the amount of carries given to Sproles, particularly in the 4th quarter.
I hope people weren't expecting him to get 85% of the team's RB carries like Chris Johnson gets.Before the season, I had Mathews projected to get 69% of the RB carries, and Monday night he actually got 73%. I think that's about what we can expect going forward as Sproles continues in the third-down/two-minute role, and Tolbert gets a series or two each game as well.

Nonetheless, that's plenty to make Mathews a solid fantasy RB2, at a minimum.

On Monday night, I was impressed by his power and balance, but not by his run vision. I thought he chose the wrong hole a few times (although it's hard to tell from the TV angles).
It's the late game absence that concerns me. Yes, they were passing but there was plenty of clock and he wasn't in the game. He got 2 carries in the 4th quarter and wasn't in the game on the final drive (or during the 2-minute drill at the end of the first half). They also weren't very creative on getting him the ball. They only threw to him twice, with one completion, and both were in the first half.
First, it appeared to me that he only got two fourth quarter carries because he knocked the ball out of Rivers' hands early in the 4th quarter. I recall him being pulled immediately after that and not getting back on the field. FWIW, I think the most encouraging sign for Mathews is that Sproles looked pretty bad. If Sproles continues to play like he did then some (not all, but some) of those third down plays will go to Mathews. My biggest worry for Mathews is that TD opps may be limited. He doesn't appear to have break-away speed so he won't be running many in from 20+ yards away...and when they get around the gaol-line they won't be afraid to use Gates/Floyd on passes and given how Tolbert runs I could definitely see Tolbert being the short-yardage battering ram. I'm officially lowering my expectations to 1200 yards, 25 catches, 7 TDs (basically RB15).
 
Tolbert looked like the best Charger RB Monday night and he probably will get alot of the goaline carries. Mathews looked decent and if I drafted him #1 in my dynasty leagues, I would not be dissapointed at all, but in redrafts, I would be a little concerned if I drafted him as my #1 RB, which alot of owners did.

 
screw the stats ...i wasnt high on him ...but he looks like a great runner to me from that game.
:lmao:Same here. He ran with energy and looked good to me. Chiefs were extremely well coached and had the game plan on the defense to shut him down, from what I saw. I wouldn't trade him in just yet.
 
The thing that scares me is they used Sproles a lot. Sproles is the 3rd down back and the 2 minute drill back. Obviously, if Mathews puts up 75 yards a game he'll get his 1000 yards most likely. But I'm not sure the TD's will be there as we hoped.
He's a rookie and they were behind early, not really too surprising that the veteran 3rd down back Sproles would be in there.
 
I would try to trade for this kid, he is a beast in the making. It will be too late after the next game, easily see 100+ and a touch or two. If he gets a decent hole he does have the ability to take it to the house. Even though he wasn't getting much to work with he was making something out of nothing. I see everything that you could want in a running back, although it would be nice if he could stay in on more 3rd downs (which I believe he will considering how Sproles has looked so far). I was lucky enough to get him as my #2 RB but I really think he can put up numbers like a 1.

 
Tolbert looked like the best Charger RB Monday night and he probably will get alot of the goaline carries. Mathews looked decent and if I drafted him #1 in my dynasty leagues, I would not be dissapointed at all, but in redrafts, I would be a little concerned if I drafted him as my #1 RB, which alot of owners did.
:)
 
Forget the game vs K.C , this week will tell you what you want to know.I see him getting 100 yards and 2 td`s
I'm a man that believes you should forget college, almost entirely. So being that Matty is a rookie, I don't have anything else to go on. You're asking us to forget the only professional NFL game the guy has ever played in.
Guy consistently picked up 4-5 yards a carry. <snip>
I didn't see that at all. I consistently saw him picking up 2-3 yards per tote. In fact his YPC would agree. He averaged 3.9 at the end of the game, including the 11-12 yard run where he fumbled. The positive spin is that he never fell backwards and I don't ever remember him being tackled for a loss. Though it was late (east coast) and I was tired...
Tolbert looked like the best Charger RB Monday night and he probably will get alot of the goaline carries. Mathews looked decent and if I drafted him #1 in my dynasty leagues, I would not be dissapointed at all, but in redrafts, I would be a little concerned if I drafted him as my #1 RB, which alot of owners did.
I'm not sure how you can say that Tolbert looked better, when he only got 2 carries. Yes they were for bigger gains but it's way too small a sample size. The only goal line stand I witnessed (i fell asleep when the chargers still only had 7 pts) they gave matthews the rock just before passing it to Gates.-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=All in all Matthews looked pretty decent for me. I came away satisfied at his ability and situation. I don't think he will be the most explosive back ever, and KC did an excellent job keeping everyone in check last night (so did the weather, mind you). Regardless, the SD situation is a good one for him. They will continuously feed him the rock so long as he doesn't prove to have fumblitis and keeps falling forward. SD is a passing team and so long as they can get ~4.0 yds per carry they'll be happy. The one defining factor will be his goal line ability, which i think is still undetermined. LT was mediocre running the ball last year (regardless if you blame him, the oline, playcalling, whatev's) but still managed to find time for 12 scores. If Matthews is good at the stripe he will get his too.
 
Forget the game vs K.C , this week will tell you what you want to know.I see him getting 100 yards and 2 td`s
Why forget the KC game? Conditions were setup for running the football and, even when they were not down by 2 scores, San Diego was a throwing offense.
A rookie isn't going to have the weight dropped on him in his first ever NFL season.... I'm sure he gets more as the season goes on.
 
The whole Chargers offense was a mess on Monday and Arrowhead is one of the toughest places for an opposing team to play. Also the field was soaked. Not exactly ideal conditions for a rookie RB or anyone on the Chargers for the most part.

I wouldn't put too much weight on anything that happened on Monday, although even in those conditions he looked decent relative to how bad and disorganized the entire SD offense was.

 
Forget the game vs K.C , this week will tell you what you want to know.I see him getting 100 yards and 2 td`s
Why forget the KC game? Conditions were setup for running the football and, even when they were not down by 2 scores, San Diego was a throwing offense.
A rookie isn't going to have the weight dropped on him in his first ever NFL season.... I'm sure he gets more as the season goes on.
I agree. I just thought it was an incorrect call not holding this (or any) game against him. We should take all games into consideration regardless of weather, opponent, grass/turf, coach...
 
Forget the game vs K.C , this week will tell you what you want to know.I see him getting 100 yards and 2 td`s
Why forget the KC game? Conditions were setup for running the football and, even when they were not down by 2 scores, San Diego was a throwing offense.
A rookie isn't going to have the weight dropped on him in his first ever NFL season.... I'm sure he gets more as the season goes on.
I agree. I just thought it was an incorrect call not holding this (or any) game against him. We should take all games into consideration regardless of weather, opponent, grass/turf, coach...
pl let me rephrase that...dont let what you saw on MN be the game in which you gauge Mathews as a RB from here on out...is that better ?
 
the rover said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
I'd be more concerned about the amount of carries given to Sproles, particularly in the 4th quarter.
I hope people weren't expecting him to get 85% of the team's RB carries like Chris Johnson gets.Before the season, I had Mathews projected to get 69% of the RB carries, and Monday night he actually got 73%. I think that's about what we can expect going forward as Sproles continues in the third-down/two-minute role, and Tolbert gets a series or two each game as well.Nonetheless, that's plenty to make Mathews a solid fantasy RB2, at a minimum.On Monday night, I was impressed by his power and balance, but not by his run vision. I thought he chose the wrong hole a few times (although it's hard to tell from the TV angles).
It's the late game absence that concerns me. Yes, they were passing but there was plenty of clock and he wasn't in the game. He got 2 carries in the 4th quarter and wasn't in the game on the final drive (or during the 2-minute drill at the end of the first half). They also weren't very creative on getting him the ball. They only threw to him twice, with one completion, and both were in the first half.
I know it will probably rile up the Norv Turner defense council, but I blame the coaching in large part for the late game absence. One minute to go, first and goal from the 3, two time outs remaining. What's the strategy? No direct power rushing attempt. The predictable, pathetic draw play to Sproles that ended in a three yard loss. The final two plays looked like they were stolen from elementary school recess. I'm not a fan of just sending Mathews up the gut four times, but having him in the game and utilizing a short yardage set for at least two of the plays could have given the Chargers a far more diverse set of options for scoring the tying TD. First and second down could have been a play-action pass to Gates or Floyd with the other down being a direct run by Mathews.My guess is that Norv didn't want to put a rookie in at the goal line when he had basically not played the entire fourth quarter. Might make sense... of course, exactly who is at fault for not getting him a snap or two in the fourth quarter? Oh, yeah, that would be the coaches. There's no rule saying Sproles has to be in for EVERY play out of a 3rd down/two-minute offensive set.Maybe I'm taking a cheap shot at Norv, but I was dumbstruck that there was not even ONE effort at power football once they had first and goal at the 3 with over a minute left and two time outs in hand. For the many who defend Norv as getting a bum rap... these are the games -- and the decisions -- that do it.
 
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After the fumble he wasn't the same and the Chargers pulled him out and put Tolbert in. Not sure what that means but he looked like a rookie who was afraid to fumble and not focus on why he was drafted. He clearly was not the same runner after the fumble. I wasn't really impressed before the fumble but he clearly had it on his mind.

 
Mathews looked okay to me, but the run blocking was pretty bad.
This. I got so high on Mathews that I was fully intending to draft him at 1.11. Then I saw the last 3 or 4 series in week 3 of preseason. Although Mathews still fought for positive yards, bounced off tackles etc he was mauled at the line. I would've drafted Mathews, but not that line. They are built to pass now. And I agree with others - Sproles will eat into meaningful 3rd down carries, especially around the goal line. They'd rather throw to Gates anyway. I do think he's special though...
 
Seems like every year there are "some coaches" who bring the rookie RBs out into tough situations very slowly. Not saying all, cause I know you guys could show me a lot of different examples that went the other way.

But last year Rice was brought along slowly in the first month and McGahee was given all the really tough assignments. This year it's Mathews and Charles, Wells to some extent, but injury and opponent played a part in that. And he's not a rookie but still.

I remember some years ago Shanahan doing it with Portis, so it's not really new. A good FF player in my league at the time probably would have won it all that year had Shanny brought him outta the gate at that speed. Just missed the playoffs and a really good payout as he missed the playoffs by one game. (and he woulda rolled through them)

So this shouldn't be completely unexpected. If I'm a Mathews/ Charles / Best owner I gotta cover my flank through the first 4 weeks at least. Then I can confidently unleash my new beast on the league.

Disclosure: I own Mathews in redraft and started him in week one. But will probably take each week as it comes till Turner has complete faith in him.

 
Mathews looked okay to me, but the run blocking was pretty bad.
This. I got so high on Mathews that I was fully intending to draft him at 1.11. Then I saw the last 3 or 4 series in week 3 of preseason. Although Mathews still fought for positive yards, bounced off tackles etc he was mauled at the line. I would've drafted Mathews, but not that line. They are built to pass now. And I agree with others - Sproles will eat into meaningful 3rd down carries, especially around the goal line. They'd rather throw to Gates anyway. I do think he's special though...
In one league I drank the XM radio Koolaid and drafted him as my RB 1. After seeing Tolbert ,Hester and Sproles in at RB steady towards the end of the game I'm thinking it was a huge mistake.
 
I think Matthews looked good. He ran hard and showed patience. With that being said ... he is the running back on an offense that is going to throw a hell of a lot. They also have big wide receivers and a big tight end so he will lose out on a lot of the goal line looks.
Why on earth would San Diego throw a lot?Same head coach as last year. Same OC as last year. Same QB as last year. Worse WRs than last year. Better RBs than last year. Down a pass-blocking LT. Last year they were in the bottom 10 in pass attempts, so why on earth would anyone expect them to rise significantly after every major move they made in the offseason either improved the running game or weakened the passing game?SD threw a lot last week because they were losing by multiple scores. Unless they get down big again, I don't expect San Diego to throw much this season.
I'd be more concerned about the amount of carries given to Sproles, particularly in the 4th quarter.
I hope people weren't expecting him to get 85% of the team's RB carries like Chris Johnson gets.Before the season, I had Mathews projected to get 69% of the RB carries, and Monday night he actually got 73%. I think that's about what we can expect going forward as Sproles continues in the third-down/two-minute role, and Tolbert gets a series or two each game as well.Nonetheless, that's plenty to make Mathews a solid fantasy RB2, at a minimum.On Monday night, I was impressed by his power and balance, but not by his run vision. I thought he chose the wrong hole a few times (although it's hard to tell from the TV angles).
A little bit disturbing to see San Diego giving Sproles goal-line work, though. I thought they'd learned their lesson after last season.
 
Why on earth would San Diego throw a lot?Same head coach as last year. Same OC as last year. Same QB as last year. Worse WRs than last year. Better RBs than last year. Down a pass-blocking LT. Last year they were in the bottom 10 in pass attempts, so why on earth would anyone expect them to rise significantly after every major move they made in the offseason either improved the running game or weakened the passing game?SD threw a lot last week because they were losing by multiple scores. Unless they get down big again, I don't expect San Diego to throw much this season.
A big reason why they had relatively few pass attempts was that they had relatively few offensive plays. Another big reason was that they were ahead a lot in most games.After controlling for both of those factors, I have the Chargers as the third-most pass-heavy team of 2009, after only the Cardinals and Colts.Here's my list from most-pass-heavy to least-pass-heavy (after controlling for margin of lead/deficit).crdcltsdgphignbsfohtxchiseadetnordalramminnweatlpitdenwasravnygkanraijaxtammiabufcinoticarnyjcle(The team designations are from p-f-r, so oti = Titans . . . I think the others are mostly self-evident.)The Chargers are actually the team that changed its run-pass ratio most dramatically depending on their margin of lead/deficit (with Cleveland second). So if you think the Chargers will be ahead a lot again this year, you can expect them to run quite a bit. But when they are not ahead, they are a very pass-oriented team.
 
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He's going to find himself benched by the end of the quarter if he can't figure out how to hold onto the football.

 
EdwardCat said:
He's going to find himself benched by the end of the quarter if he can't figure out how to hold onto the football.
HurtLooked bad on the cartAnd to think I benched Best for him in 1 league.
 
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