Ryan Matthews only in on 21 snaps to Tolbert's 51 snaps (1 Viewer)

[Louisville Slugger]

Does anybody find it a little disconcerting that Ryan Matthews was only in on 21 offensive snaps compared to Mike Tolbert's 51?

I didn't get a chance to see the game last night and was wondering if this was because Matthews still has a lingering injury was the the game situation or has Tolbert simply taken the job from Matthews? He was involved in nearly 3x the offensive plays...Fantasy football aside I just don't get SD's infatuation with Tolbert. No doubt he is a solid player, but Matthews is a special talent and the much better runner.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

No. Matthews was coming off injury and SD fell behind quickly. Tolbert usually plays on passing downs.

 

[Squintz82]

Why is everyone overreacting about Mathews in this game? First, it was known he would play less snaps because the Chargers want him healthy. Second, they lost 2 linemen in the game and needed more help blocking. Third, they were playing from behind the whole game.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Tolbert usually plays on passing downs.

This. SD had a grand total of 15 running plays the entire game, counting the one time Rivers ran too.They needed the bigger guy/better blocker in for passing plays (Tolbert).

 

[nkowal]

Mathews looked good when running, by the way, just didn't get a chance to showcase it much.

 

[jesseasi]

I just don't get it. I don't think Tolbert is any better than Mathews when it comes to catching the ball. The few times mathews came into the game the 2nd half he was just a decoy lined up as a wr. They had no intention to use him.

Plus, like always he checked himself out of the game nearly every time after a positive play.

As an owner of both...I hate this situation.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

No. Matthews was coming off injury and SD fell behind quickly. Tolbert usually plays on passing downs.

Mathews seems like he's always going to be coming off injury.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I just don't get it. I don't think Tolbert is any better than Mathews when it comes to catching the ball. The few times mathews came into the game the 2nd half he was just a decoy lined up as a wr. They had no intention to use him.

Blocking must be the reason, or maybe route running. He did have a heck of a hold/form tackle on a blitzing corner last night. He Bobby Boucher'd the guy.

 

[Da Guru]

No. Matthews was coming off injury and SD fell behind quickly. Tolbert usually plays on passing downs.

Mathews seems like he's always going to be coming off injury.

On a few series Matthews got the first carry..took a hit and then took himself out of the game right away. There is no doubt he would have been in for the whole series had he not taken himself out. Matthews has great talent but he seem a little feint of heart for the NFL. After a hit he does not seem to want to be on the field.Tolbert is the much tougher RB mentally and physically, when the games get physical it seems he would be the bell cow for the Chargers.

 

[Touchdown There]

Not sure of the exact quarter, but it was around the 3rd when the Chargers took possession on the 5 yard line. First play was a handoff to Mathews who ran left 5 yards, avoided a ton of Raiders, then ran right and backwards to the 1 yard line where he was rocked on a huge hit. A safety or a LB had line of sight on him and was near full speed. Mathews could not run backwards anymore into the endzone, so he took a monster hit. Did not see him much after that.

 

[Dought Man]

Would have been nice if the Chargers tried to pound the Raiders on the ground...instead of throwing with Rivers having no time to throw.

The Raiders set up their big plays by pounding the run. Norv was once again..outcoached...

 

[Squintz82]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.

For the record, I own both and started both last night.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.For the record, I own both and started both last night.

Didn't you predict a massive game for Mathews last night? I own both too but I'm done with excuses for Mathews. Okay, so he was still hurting from 2 weeks ago. I get that. But when is he not hurting. The guy runs one play and heads to the sidelines. He does not look like he has the passion to succeed.

 

[shadyridr]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.For the record, I own both and started both last night.

Didn't you predict a massive game for Mathews last night? I own both too but I'm done with excuses for Mathews. Okay, so he was still hurting from 2 weeks ago. I get that. But when is he not hurting. The guy runs one play and heads to the sidelines. He does not look like he has the passion to succeed.

what makes you think the coaches arent pulling him out.

 

[The Dude]

My pet peeve- people assessing a situation like they know something - when the truth is they know nothing.

That unfortunately occurs in 99% of the posts on the board.

I have no idea what prevented Mathews from more PT - but I do know that they need him on the field. Tolbert has been a good player - but he is not going to change the outcome of a game - Mathews has that potential.

 

[shadyridr]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.For the record, I own both and started both last night.

Didn't you predict a massive game for Mathews last night? I own both too but I'm done with excuses for Mathews. Okay, so he was still hurting from 2 weeks ago. I get that. But when is he not hurting. The guy runs one play and heads to the sidelines. He does not look like he has the passion to succeed.

You act as if Mathews has had a bad year. The guy was the 6 or 7th ranked overall RB before last week. He has had two single digit games all year. So you basically got RB1 value for a guy you drafted in the 4th-6th round.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Not sure of the exact quarter, but it was around the 3rd when the Chargers took possession on the 5 yard line. First play was a handoff to Mathews who ran left 5 yards, avoided a ton of Raiders, then ran right and backwards to the 1 yard line where he was rocked on a huge hit. A safety or a LB had line of sight on him and was near full speed. Mathews could not run backwards anymore into the endzone, so he took a monster hit. Did not see him much after that.

Mathews almost was tackled for a safety. It was a VERY bad decision to turn that run back. He took a big hit. I don't think I saw him again after that (could be wrong). He could have been pulled for stupidity or for injury.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.For the record, I own both and started both last night.

Didn't you predict a massive game for Mathews last night? I own both too but I'm done with excuses for Mathews. Okay, so he was still hurting from 2 weeks ago. I get that. But when is he not hurting. The guy runs one play and heads to the sidelines. He does not look like he has the passion to succeed.

You act as if Mathews has had a bad year. The guy was the 6 or 7th ranked overall RB before last week. He has had two single digit games all year. So you basically got RB1 value for a guy you drafted in the 4th-6th round.

you might get mathews in the 6th round of a 6 team league. He was gone by the 3rd in most.

 

[hines]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.

For the record, I own both and started both last night.

Didn't you predict a massive game for Mathews last night? I own both too but I'm done with excuses for Mathews. Okay, so he was still hurting from 2 weeks ago. I get that. But when is he not hurting. The guy runs one play and heads to the sidelines. He does not look like he has the passion to succeed.

You act as if Mathews has had a bad year. The guy was the 6 or 7th ranked overall RB before last week. He has had two single digit games all year. So you basically got RB1 value for a guy you drafted in the 4th-6th round.

you might get mathews in the 6th round of a 6 team league. He was gone by the 3rd in most.

nope 4.08. ADP

 

[AngryPatriot]

I don't think it's exactly over reacting when Tolbert gets a lot more action than RM (supposedly fine), that's the reality last night. It's a mess and I'd trade RM in a package for a more consistent starter in a second. Next week will be the same deal. Part of it is that Tolbert is just darn good- and reliable with the ball in his hands. SD is poorly coached and I'm not sure if they had ADP on their team that they'd use him much more.

At the very least this is trending in the wrong direction when a couple weeks back it looked like RM was going to be the man. Benson may get more action on my team gong forward, at least he plays.

 

[T J]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.For the record, I own both and started both last night.

Didn't you predict a massive game for Mathews last night? I own both too but I'm done with excuses for Mathews. Okay, so he was still hurting from 2 weeks ago. I get that. But when is he not hurting. The guy runs one play and heads to the sidelines. He does not look like he has the passion to succeed.

what makes you think the coaches arent pulling him out.

Yep.

 

[sycamore]

I don't think it's exactly over reacting when Tolbert gets a lot more action than RM (supposedly fine), that's the reality last night. It's a mess and I'd trade RM in a package for a more consistent starter in a second. Next week will be the same deal. Part of it is that Tolbert is just darn good- and reliable with the ball in his hands. SD is poorly coached and I'm not sure if they had ADP on their team that they'd use him much more. At the very least this is trending in the wrong direction when a couple weeks back it looked like RM was going to be the man. Benson may get more action on my team gong forward, at least he plays.

You're a fool if you'd trade Mathews in a package. I just traded McGahee for RM in a keeper league because RM is a STUD with possibility of being a top 5 RB next year. He was coming off a groin injury. He couldn't play in a game just four days ago. These posts are absolutely ridiculous.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.For the record, I own both and started both last night.

Didn't you predict a massive game for Mathews last night? I own both too but I'm done with excuses for Mathews. Okay, so he was still hurting from 2 weeks ago. I get that. But when is he not hurting. The guy runs one play and heads to the sidelines. He does not look like he has the passion to succeed.

You act as if Mathews has had a bad year. The guy was the 6 or 7th ranked overall RB before last week. He has had two single digit games all year. So you basically got RB1 value for a guy you drafted in the 4th-6th round.

Mathews has been really good, when he plays. But trying to pin that time down on your fantasy team is difficult, to say the least. Your league obviously awards a lot of points towards yards, and maybe receptions. Mine does not. Mathews scored double digits in week 2 and 3 only in my league. Otherwise it has been single digits.....or no digits. He's currently the 17th RB for scoring in my league, with Tolbert being 18th. IMO this is a full blown RBBC again, until Mathews gets over all the injuries and takes ownership of the position like it looked as if he were going to do in the beginning of the year.He went in the 4th round of my 10 team league. I traded for him since I already had Tolbert.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

My pet peeve- people assessing a situation like they know something - when the truth is they know nothing.That unfortunately occurs in 99% of the posts on the board.I have no idea what prevented Mathews from more PT - but I do know that they need him on the field. Tolbert has been a good player - but he is not going to change the outcome of a game - Mathews has that potential.

The Chargers "need him on the field" because he is going to "change the outcome of a game". You're assessing the situation and therefore must be really ticking yourself off right now.I agree, Mathews = Potential

 

[sycamore]

My pet peeve- people assessing a situation like they know something - when the truth is they know nothing.That unfortunately occurs in 99% of the posts on the board.I have no idea what prevented Mathews from more PT - but I do know that they need him on the field. Tolbert has been a good player - but he is not going to change the outcome of a game - Mathews has that potential.

The Chargers "need him on the field" because he is going to "change the outcome of a game". You're assessing the situation and therefore must be really ticking yourself off right now.I agree, Mathews = Potential

Yes, potential to be even better than he already he is. He's averaged 22.8 points per game in my league prior to last night. If I were in contention, I would have had 2 other RBs to start last night considering Mathews was coming off an injury, which as far as I can tell is the only one he's had this season. I'm just not buying this sky is falling stuff.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

My pet peeve- people assessing a situation like they know something - when the truth is they know nothing.That unfortunately occurs in 99% of the posts on the board.I have no idea what prevented Mathews from more PT - but I do know that they need him on the field. Tolbert has been a good player - but he is not going to change the outcome of a game - Mathews has that potential.

The Chargers "need him on the field" because he is going to "change the outcome of a game". You're assessing the situation and therefore must be really ticking yourself off right now.I agree, Mathews = Potential

Yes, potential to be even better than he already he is. He's averaged 22.8 points per game in my league prior to last night. If I were in contention, I would have had 2 other RBs to start last night considering Mathews was coming off an injury, which as far as I can tell is the only one he's had this season. I'm just not buying this sky is falling stuff.

22.8 per game? Does your league give a point per carry, pp reception, pp every 5 yards?Mathews has been in/out of games all season. So far because of calf, foot, wrist, groin injuries he's missed time on the field.

 

[shadyridr]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.For the record, I own both and started both last night.

Didn't you predict a massive game for Mathews last night? I own both too but I'm done with excuses for Mathews. Okay, so he was still hurting from 2 weeks ago. I get that. But when is he not hurting. The guy runs one play and heads to the sidelines. He does not look like he has the passion to succeed.

You act as if Mathews has had a bad year. The guy was the 6 or 7th ranked overall RB before last week. He has had two single digit games all year. So you basically got RB1 value for a guy you drafted in the 4th-6th round.

you might get mathews in the 6th round of a 6 team league. He was gone by the 3rd in most.

Got him in the 5th in my 12 team league

 

[sycamore]

My pet peeve- people assessing a situation like they know something - when the truth is they know nothing.That unfortunately occurs in 99% of the posts on the board.I have no idea what prevented Mathews from more PT - but I do know that they need him on the field. Tolbert has been a good player - but he is not going to change the outcome of a game - Mathews has that potential.

The Chargers "need him on the field" because he is going to "change the outcome of a game". You're assessing the situation and therefore must be really ticking yourself off right now.I agree, Mathews = Potential

Yes, potential to be even better than he already he is. He's averaged 22.8 points per game in my league prior to last night. If I were in contention, I would have had 2 other RBs to start last night considering Mathews was coming off an injury, which as far as I can tell is the only one he's had this season. I'm just not buying this sky is falling stuff.

22.8 per game? Does your league give a point per carry, pp reception, pp every 5 yards?Mathews has been in/out of games all season. So far because of calf, foot, wrist, groin injuries he's missed time on the field.

It's just a PPR league with a few bonuses, such as getting 100 yards rushing or receiving, which he hasn't got but once.. I believe he averaged 15 points in standard scoring. Before last night, he averaged 20 touches per game. If he missed time on the field, it's not that much. I'll take 20 touches per game from a guy that gets 4.6 per carry and 11.1 per reception.

 

[shadyridr]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.For the record, I own both and started both last night.

Didn't you predict a massive game for Mathews last night? I own both too but I'm done with excuses for Mathews. Okay, so he was still hurting from 2 weeks ago. I get that. But when is he not hurting. The guy runs one play and heads to the sidelines. He does not look like he has the passion to succeed.

You act as if Mathews has had a bad year. The guy was the 6 or 7th ranked overall RB before last week. He has had two single digit games all year. So you basically got RB1 value for a guy you drafted in the 4th-6th round.

Mathews has been really good, when he plays. But trying to pin that time down on your fantasy team is difficult, to say the least. Your league obviously awards a lot of points towards yards, and maybe receptions. Mine does not. Mathews scored double digits in week 2 and 3 only in my league. Otherwise it has been single digits.....or no digits. He's currently the 17th RB for scoring in my league, with Tolbert being 18th. IMO this is a full blown RBBC again, until Mathews gets over all the injuries and takes ownership of the position like it looked as if he were going to do in the beginning of the year.He went in the 4th round of my 10 team league. I traded for him since I already had Tolbert.

Just because you play in a stupid scoring system doesnt mean its true for evrybody

 

[shadyridr]

My pet peeve- people assessing a situation like they know something - when the truth is they know nothing.That unfortunately occurs in 99% of the posts on the board.I have no idea what prevented Mathews from more PT - but I do know that they need him on the field. Tolbert has been a good player - but he is not going to change the outcome of a game - Mathews has that potential.

The Chargers "need him on the field" because he is going to "change the outcome of a game". You're assessing the situation and therefore must be really ticking yourself off right now.I agree, Mathews = Potential

Yes, potential to be even better than he already he is. He's averaged 22.8 points per game in my league prior to last night. If I were in contention, I would have had 2 other RBs to start last night considering Mathews was coming off an injury, which as far as I can tell is the only one he's had this season. I'm just not buying this sky is falling stuff.

22.8 per game? Does your league give a point per carry, pp reception, pp every 5 yards?Mathews has been in/out of games all season. So far because of calf, foot, wrist, groin injuries he's missed time on the field.

It's just a PPR league with a few bonuses, such as getting 100 yards rushing or receiving, which he hasn't got but once.. I believe he averaged 15 points in standard scoring. Before last night, he averaged 20 touches per game. If he missed time on the field, it's not that much. I'll take 20 touches per game from a guy that gets 4.6 per carry and 11.1 per reception.

yup, averaged 16ppg before last week. LMAO at complaining about Mathews in a TD heavy league.

 

[solwoldjr]

Would have been nice if the Chargers tried to pound the Raiders on the ground...instead of throwing with Rivers having no time to throw.The Raiders set up their big plays by pounding the run. Norv was once again..outcoached...

I don't agree with that assessment. After their first drive of the game the Chargers did not get a first down until the second half. You can't pound the ball if you go three-and-out every series. Play calling did not cost them the game, the fact they lost half of their offensive line and the backups were putrid cost them the game.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.For the record, I own both and started both last night.

Didn't you predict a massive game for Mathews last night? I own both too but I'm done with excuses for Mathews. Okay, so he was still hurting from 2 weeks ago. I get that. But when is he not hurting. The guy runs one play and heads to the sidelines. He does not look like he has the passion to succeed.

You act as if Mathews has had a bad year. The guy was the 6 or 7th ranked overall RB before last week. He has had two single digit games all year. So you basically got RB1 value for a guy you drafted in the 4th-6th round.

Mathews has been really good, when he plays. But trying to pin that time down on your fantasy team is difficult, to say the least. Your league obviously awards a lot of points towards yards, and maybe receptions. Mine does not. Mathews scored double digits in week 2 and 3 only in my league. Otherwise it has been single digits.....or no digits. He's currently the 17th RB for scoring in my league, with Tolbert being 18th. IMO this is a full blown RBBC again, until Mathews gets over all the injuries and takes ownership of the position like it looked as if he were going to do in the beginning of the year.He went in the 4th round of my 10 team league. I traded for him since I already had Tolbert.

Just because you play in a stupid scoring system doesnt mean its true for evrybody

You crack me up because you try to act all hard on this board. Keep it up, it's believable. I believe my leagues scoring is legit. We decided on our scoring rules when we began our league 12 years ago. Every year we revisit it to make sure we still all agree. I like that we weigh TD's heavier because they matter more in the game. If you choose to water down your league scoring by rewarding guys for just catching the ball, then maybe your scoring system is stupid.

 

[sycamore]

Would have been nice if the Chargers tried to pound the Raiders on the ground...instead of throwing with Rivers having no time to throw.The Raiders set up their big plays by pounding the run. Norv was once again..outcoached...

I don't agree with that assessment. After their first drive of the game the Chargers did not get a first down until the second half. You can't pound the ball if you go three-and-out every series. Play calling did not cost them the game, the fact they lost half of their offensive line and the backups were putrid cost them the game.

This is entirely accurate. The line gave Rivers no time to sustain drives.

 

[cvnpoka]

You crack me up because you try to act all hard on this board. Keep it up, it's believable. I believe my leagues scoring is legit. We decided on our scoring rules when we began our league 12 years ago. Every year we revisit it to make sure we still all agree. I like that we weigh TD's heavier because they matter more in the game. If you choose to water down your league scoring by rewarding guys for just catching the ball, then maybe your scoring system is stupid.

doesnt matter what scoring system is best. it matter which is most common. no one values players like you do bc no one uses your system. your definitive judgments about mathews dont apply to anyone else so i dont understand why you insist on promoting them.

 

[shadyridr]

You crack me up because you try to act all hard on this board. Keep it up, it's believable. I believe my leagues scoring is legit. We decided on our scoring rules when we began our league 12 years ago. Every year we revisit it to make sure we still all agree. I like that we weigh TD's heavier because they matter more in the game. If you choose to water down your league scoring by rewarding guys for just catching the ball, then maybe your scoring system is stupid.

doesnt matter what scoring system is best. it matter which is most common. no one values players like you do bc no one uses your system. your definitive judgments about mathews dont apply to anyone else so i dont understand why you insist on promoting them.

Hes complaining about Mathews cuz he plays in a TD heavy league. Why on Earth would he trade for Mathews in that kind of scoring system. Tolbert is clearly a better play in a TD heavy league.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

I wonder how many SD series went pass, run, pass, punt.

Pretty predictable.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

You crack me up because you try to act all hard on this board. Keep it up, it's believable. I believe my leagues scoring is legit. We decided on our scoring rules when we began our league 12 years ago. Every year we revisit it to make sure we still all agree. I like that we weigh TD's heavier because they matter more in the game. If you choose to water down your league scoring by rewarding guys for just catching the ball, then maybe your scoring system is stupid.

doesnt matter what scoring system is best. it matter which is most common. no one values players like you do bc no one uses your system. your definitive judgments about mathews dont apply to anyone else so i dont understand why you insist on promoting them.

WTF? I didn't even bring up scoring in the first place, and was just responding to someone calling it out.Please tell me what my definitive judgements on Mathews are which I'm promoting.

 

[Raider Nation]

I don't care where you drafted Mathews. Anyone who doesn't think he's at least a BIT of a disappointment thus far is

I think shady is his agent or something.

He's had a few good games, yes. But consistency is what I value the most in fantasy RBs. Mathews falls short in that category.

 

[The Dude]

My pet peeve- people assessing a situation like they know something - when the truth is they know nothing.That unfortunately occurs in 99% of the posts on the board.I have no idea what prevented Mathews from more PT - but I do know that they need him on the field. Tolbert has been a good player - but he is not going to change the outcome of a game - Mathews has that potential.

The Chargers "need him on the field" because he is going to "change the outcome of a game". You're assessing the situation and therefore must be really ticking yourself off right now.I agree, Mathews = Potential

I am referring to statements like "he was just coming off an injury and they were limiting his plays" - nobody here knows that to be true. Offering an opinion- as I did above - is completely different.

 

[The Football Freak]

What surprised me was how much time Tolbert was in when they were only down one score. Either Matthews is still injured--which he did not look to be--or the coaching staff has possibly decided they trust Tolbert more. Tolbert did get a couple key first downs for them to keep them in the game, even if they were squandered with cutesy 3rd&1 calls afterwards when they should have just run in the first, so maybe they rode the hot hand. It says a lot about the situation when they have Tolbert in when going for the win.

This is going to be a down the middle split the rest of the year, imo. Matthews had some nice blocks in the game, as well as some nice receptions and runs, but they still called Tolbert's name more. Other than as a result of injury, neither back is going to put the other on the bench.

 

[shadyridr]

I don't care where you drafted Mathews. Anyone who doesn't think he's at least a BIT of a disappointment thus far is

I think shady is his agent or something.

He's had a few good games, yes. But consistency is what I value the most in fantasy RBs. Mathews falls short in that category.

In my scoring system:

13.3

22.1

28.9

17.4

13.7

8.5

14.2

Injured

7.2

Seems fairly consistent for me. Ill take that out of my RB2 every year. He was top 6 ranked RB before last week.

 

[Raider Nation]

I don't care where you drafted Mathews. Anyone who doesn't think he's at least a BIT of a disappointment thus far is

I think shady is his agent or something.

He's had a few good games, yes. But consistency is what I value the most in fantasy RBs. Mathews falls short in that category.

In my scoring system:

13.3

22.1

28.9

17.4

13.7

8.5

14.2

Injured

7.2

Seems fairly consistent for me. Ill take that out of my RB2 every year. He was top 6 ranked RB before last week.

Simple yes or no:Can you COUNT on this guy in your fantasy playoffs?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

You crack me up because you try to act all hard on this board. Keep it up, it's believable. I believe my leagues scoring is legit. We decided on our scoring rules when we began our league 12 years ago. Every year we revisit it to make sure we still all agree. I like that we weigh TD's heavier because they matter more in the game. If you choose to water down your league scoring by rewarding guys for just catching the ball, then maybe your scoring system is stupid.

doesnt matter what scoring system is best. it matter which is most common. no one values players like you do bc no one uses your system. your definitive judgments about mathews dont apply to anyone else so i dont understand why you insist on promoting them.

Hes complaining about Mathews cuz he plays in a TD heavy league. Why on Earth would he trade for Mathews in that kind of scoring system. Tolbert is clearly a better play in a TD heavy league.

The only reason I even bothered to talk about my league scoring is because you brought your's up in the first place.I haven't complained about his scoring. With Tolbert on my roster, trading for Mathews made a ton of sense in any league. Seems like common sense to me.Tolbert is not a better play in my league because Tolbert trails Mathews in the rankings.Anything else? More insults perhaps?

 

[shadyridr]

I don't care where you drafted Mathews. Anyone who doesn't think he's at least a BIT of a disappointment thus far is

I think shady is his agent or something.

He's had a few good games, yes. But consistency is what I value the most in fantasy RBs. Mathews falls short in that category.

In my scoring system:

13.3

22.1

28.9

17.4

13.7

8.5

14.2

Injured

7.2

Seems fairly consistent for me. Ill take that out of my RB2 every year. He was top 6 ranked RB before last week.

Simple yes or no:Can you COUNT on this guy in your fantasy playoffs?

oh and would his agent say things like this?http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=621033&view=findpost&p=13747110

 

[sycamore]

I don't care where you drafted Mathews. Anyone who doesn't think he's at least a BIT of a disappointment thus far is

I think shady is his agent or something.

He's had a few good games, yes. But consistency is what I value the most in fantasy RBs. Mathews falls short in that category.

I really don't think he's been a disappointment. He's a top 15 back in any scoring system. He's been consistent. Counting last night, he's had 2 bad games. Yeah, he's got potential to do more, but he's only a 2nd-year back. He's shown huge improvement from last season. That's all I'm looking for, and the fact is he's played through some injuries so he's showing some toughness.

 

[Squintz82]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.

For the record, I own both and started both last night.

Didn't you predict a massive game for Mathews last night? I own both too but I'm done with excuses for Mathews. Okay, so he was still hurting from 2 weeks ago. I get that. But when is he not hurting. The guy runs one play and heads to the sidelines. He does not look like he has the passion to succeed.

Predict and hope are 2 different things, lol. Again, I started both knowing that Mathews was the more talented back and would do more with his opportunities, and Tolbert might grab a TD and some receptions. Mathews looked better on the field than Tolbert, however no one predicted the coaches not letting him get into a rhythm. Stuff like this happens in FFB. However, over-thinking Mathews is just plain dumb. How can you even judge that Mathews doesn't "look like he has the passion to succeed" ??

Not sure of the exact quarter, but it was around the 3rd when the Chargers took possession on the 5 yard line. First play was a handoff to Mathews who ran left 5 yards, avoided a ton of Raiders, then ran right and backwards to the 1 yard line where he was rocked on a huge hit. A safety or a LB had line of sight on him and was near full speed. Mathews could not run backwards anymore into the endzone, so he took a monster hit. Did not see him much after that.

Mathews almost was tackled for a safety. It was a VERY bad decision to turn that run back. He took a big hit. I don't think I saw him again after that (could be wrong). He could have been pulled for stupidity or for injury.

Again, I don't understand how people don't realize this was a free play . He was trying to make something out of nothing with no risk (it was an offsides penalty)

 

[shadyridr]

You crack me up because you try to act all hard on this board. Keep it up, it's believable. I believe my leagues scoring is legit. We decided on our scoring rules when we began our league 12 years ago. Every year we revisit it to make sure we still all agree. I like that we weigh TD's heavier because they matter more in the game. If you choose to water down your league scoring by rewarding guys for just catching the ball, then maybe your scoring system is stupid.

doesnt matter what scoring system is best. it matter which is most common. no one values players like you do bc no one uses your system. your definitive judgments about mathews dont apply to anyone else so i dont understand why you insist on promoting them.

Hes complaining about Mathews cuz he plays in a TD heavy league. Why on Earth would he trade for Mathews in that kind of scoring system. Tolbert is clearly a better play in a TD heavy league.

The only reason I even bothered to talk about my league scoring is because you brought your's up in the first place.I haven't complained about his scoring. With Tolbert on my roster, trading for Mathews made a ton of sense in any league. Seems like common sense to me.Tolbert is not a better play in my league because Tolbert trails Mathews in the rankings.Anything else? More insults perhaps?

please link to where I insulted you in this thread Mr Sensitive

 

[scrumptrulescent]

My pet peeve- people assessing a situation like they know something - when the truth is they know nothing.That unfortunately occurs in 99% of the posts on the board.I have no idea what prevented Mathews from more PT - but I do know that they need him on the field. Tolbert has been a good player - but he is not going to change the outcome of a game - Mathews has that potential.

The Chargers "need him on the field" because he is going to "change the outcome of a game". You're assessing the situation and therefore must be really ticking yourself off right now.I agree, Mathews = Potential

I am referring to statements like "he was just coming off an injury and they were limiting his plays" - nobody here knows that to be true. Offering an opinion- as I did above - is completely different.

Dude, read your own post. "I do know that they need him on the field" is a statement, not an opinion.ETA: Nice job editting your reading comprehension slam

 

[Raider Nation]

Hope you guys are right. He strikes me as gutless. I call it like I see it.

 

[sycamore]

I don't care where you drafted Mathews. Anyone who doesn't think he's at least a BIT of a disappointment thus far is

I think shady is his agent or something.

He's had a few good games, yes. But consistency is what I value the most in fantasy RBs. Mathews falls short in that category.

In my scoring system:

13.3

22.1

28.9

17.4

13.7

8.5

14.2

Injured

7.2

Seems fairly consistent for me. Ill take that out of my RB2 every year. He was top 6 ranked RB before last week.

Simple yes or no:Can you COUNT on this guy in your fantasy playoffs?

I think so. But I'll admit he's the type of talent I want on my team, but I'll make damn sure I have plenty of quality RB depth.