Ryan Matthews only in on 21 snaps to Tolbert's 51 snaps (1 Viewer)

[shadyridr]

I don't care where you drafted Mathews. Anyone who doesn't think he's at least a BIT of a disappointment thus far is

I think shady is his agent or something.

He's had a few good games, yes. But consistency is what I value the most in fantasy RBs. Mathews falls short in that category.

In my scoring system:

13.3

22.1

28.9

17.4

13.7

8.5

14.2

Injured

7.2

Seems fairly consistent for me. Ill take that out of my RB2 every year. He was top 6 ranked RB before last week.

Simple yes or no:Can you COUNT on this guy in your fantasy playoffs?

healthwise no... thats why I traded for Ced Benson. That being said if hes Active he'll be in my lineup.

 

[humpback]

I don't care where you drafted Mathews. Anyone who doesn't think he's at least a BIT of a disappointment thus far is

I think shady is his agent or something.

He's had a few good games, yes. But consistency is what I value the most in fantasy RBs. Mathews falls short in that category.

In my scoring system:

13.3

22.1

28.9

17.4

13.7

8.5

14.2

Injured

7.2

Seems fairly consistent for me. Ill take that out of my RB2 every year. He was top 6 ranked RB before last week.

Simple yes or no:Can you COUNT on this guy in your fantasy playoffs?

There aren't many RBs drafted in the 4th round or later you can count on in your FF playoffs. He may be a BIT of a disappointment based on his production the first few weeks of the season and the hope that he'd keep it up. Based on where he was drafted, absolutely not.

 

[shadyridr]

Hope you guys are right. He strikes me as gutless. I call it like I see it.

Hard to disagree with that but Im assuming hes your RB2? Im also assuming not many teams in your league have a better RB2.

 

[cvnpoka]

I don't care where you drafted Mathews. Anyone who doesn't think he's at least a BIT of a disappointment thus far is

I think shady is his agent or something.

He's had a few good games, yes. But consistency is what I value the most in fantasy RBs. Mathews falls short in that category.

not a disappointment at all. the entitlement syndrome of a fantasy manager is absurd.

 

[solwoldjr]

I don't care where you drafted Mathews. Anyone who doesn't think he's at least a BIT of a disappointment thus far is

I think shady is his agent or something.

He's had a few good games, yes. But consistency is what I value the most in fantasy RBs. Mathews falls short in that category.

In analyzing Matthews' season it is WHERE you drafted him that is MOST important. If Matthews is your RB1 and you picked him in the second round ahead of guys like McFadden or Frank Gore you are probably dissapointed with him. However if you drafted him as your RB2 or RB3 in the late third or later after guys like Knowshon Moreno or Mark Ingram you are probably pretty happy with him.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

You crack me up because you try to act all hard on this board. Keep it up, it's believable. I believe my leagues scoring is legit. We decided on our scoring rules when we began our league 12 years ago. Every year we revisit it to make sure we still all agree. I like that we weigh TD's heavier because they matter more in the game. If you choose to water down your league scoring by rewarding guys for just catching the ball, then maybe your scoring system is stupid.

doesnt matter what scoring system is best. it matter which is most common. no one values players like you do bc no one uses your system. your definitive judgments about mathews dont apply to anyone else so i dont understand why you insist on promoting them.

Hes complaining about Mathews cuz he plays in a TD heavy league. Why on Earth would he trade for Mathews in that kind of scoring system. Tolbert is clearly a better play in a TD heavy league.

The only reason I even bothered to talk about my league scoring is because you brought your's up in the first place.I haven't complained about his scoring. With Tolbert on my roster, trading for Mathews made a ton of sense in any league. Seems like common sense to me.Tolbert is not a better play in my league because Tolbert trails Mathews in the rankings.Anything else? More insults perhaps?

please link to where I insulted you in this thread Mr Sensitive

I'm done with your petty Good luck!

 

[footballnerd]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.For the record, I own both and started both last night.

Didn't you predict a massive game for Mathews last night? I own both too but I'm done with excuses for Mathews. Okay, so he was still hurting from 2 weeks ago. I get that. But when is he not hurting. The guy runs one play and heads to the sidelines. He does not look like he has the passion to succeed.

You act as if Mathews has had a bad year. The guy was the 6 or 7th ranked overall RB before last week. He has had two single digit games all year. So you basically got RB1 value for a guy you drafted in the 4th-6th round.

you might get mathews in the 6th round of a 6 team league. He was gone by the 3rd in most.

5th and 6th for me. The Raiders knocked out 2 O-line men and Rivers was getting rocked from all different sides, Tolbert was in there to try and stop that. If you look at the number of plays vs the actual number of carries/targets, it's not that far off. 15 rushes, they barely ran the ball. Tolbert was in there to help with pass pro and since he was in he was in the passing game.

 

[Squintz82]

What confuses me the most is people's definition of consistency in fantasy football. How many players drafted in the 4th round or later have better consistency than this

Total Yards

118

126

149

149

132

Bye

65

112

Out

57

 

[shadyridr]

I don't care where you drafted Mathews. Anyone who doesn't think he's at least a BIT of a disappointment thus far is

I think shady is his agent or something.

He's had a few good games, yes. But consistency is what I value the most in fantasy RBs. Mathews falls short in that category.

In analyzing Matthews' season it is WHERE you drafted him that is MOST important. If Matthews is your RB1 and you picked him in the second round ahead of guys like McFadden or Frank Gore you are probably dissapointed with him. However if you drafted him as your RB2 or RB3 in the late third or later after guys like Knowshon Moreno or Mark Ingram you are probably pretty happy with him.

I drafted him in the 5th rd as my RB3 (behind Foster & Ingram ). He obviously became my RB2 and has put up RB1 #s almost all season until the last 2 weeks. If he continues down this path, hell yeah Id be disappointed but I see no evidence of him continuing to decline (unless he keeps getting hurt which is obviously VERY possible).

 

[AngryPatriot]

Out

57

How's that working for ya? Well, not doing it for me. Sure, I don't think anyone is going to dump him today (that would be stupid) but it's concerning for some like me. Especially since he's my rb2 and I'm playoff bound. Hopefully he's being worked back to full speed, yadda yadda... but between Tolbert and Norv some of us are concerned. I think that's all some of us are saying.

 

[cvnpoka]

Out

57

How's that working for ya? Well, not doing it for me. Sure, I don't think anyone is going to dump him today (that would be stupid) but it's concerning for some like me. Especially since he's my rb2 and I'm playoff bound. Hopefully he's being worked back to full speed, yadda yadda... but between Tolbert and Norv some of us are concerned. I think that's all some of us are saying.

all some of you are saying is wah wah wah. i deserve top 10 production every single week from any player i start.

 

[Squintz82]

Out57How's that working for ya? Well, not doing it for me. Sure, I don't think anyone is going to dump him today (that would be stupid) but it's concerning for some like me. Especially since he's my rb2 and I'm playoff bound. Hopefully he's being worked back to full speed, yadda yadda... but between Tolbert and Norv some of us are concerned. I think that's all some of us are saying.

Somewhat understandable if you're concerned about hims as your RB2. But some people are acting like they took him first round in here, and are ready to drop him because of his "desire"

 

[shadyridr]

Out57How's that working for ya? Well, not doing it for me. Sure, I don't think anyone is going to dump him today (that would be stupid) but it's concerning for some like me. Especially since he's my rb2 and I'm playoff bound. Hopefully he's being worked back to full speed, yadda yadda... but between Tolbert and Norv some of us are concerned. I think that's all some of us are saying.

Its two weeks. Tons of Rbs have missed time due to injury this year. If it continues down that path, sure call me concerned. But right now Im not concerned in the least and will be starting him next week vs CHI

 

[Raider Nation]

But right now Im not concerned in the least and will be starting him next week vs CHI

Let me know how that works out for ya.

 

[shadyridr]

But right now Im not concerned in the least and will be starting him next week vs CHI

Let me know how that works out for ya.

why would I have to let you know? Cant you just check his totals after the game?

 

[shadyridr]

Chargers coach Norv Turner explained Friday that Ryan Mathews' role was limited in Thursday night's loss to the Raiders because he was dealing with "some lingering pains" in his previously strained groin.Turner attributed Mathews' 21 snaps and nine touches to the injury as well as the Chargers' superior trust in Mike Tolbert during comeback-type situations. It doesn't sound like he experienced any setbacks, but Mathews will now get five days to fully rest the groin before San Diego returns to practice next Wednesday. It will be ten days before the Chargers' next game. They'll face an up-and-down Bears run defense in Week 11

 

[Touchdown There]

Chargers coach Norv Turner explained Friday that Ryan Mathews' role was limited in Thursday night's loss to the Raiders because he was dealing with "some lingering pains" in his previously strained groin.Turner attributed Mathews' 21 snaps and nine touches to the injury as well as the Chargers' superior trust in Mike Tolbert during comeback-type situations. It doesn't sound like he experienced any setbacks, but Mathews will now get five days to fully rest the groin before San Diego returns to practice next Wednesday. It will be ten days before the Chargers' next game. They'll face an up-and-down Bears run defense in Week 11

Mathews will be just fine vs the Bears.

 

[shadyridr]

Chargers coach Norv Turner explained Friday that Ryan Mathews' role was limited in Thursday night's loss to the Raiders because he was dealing with "some lingering pains" in his previously strained groin.Turner attributed Mathews' 21 snaps and nine touches to the injury as well as the Chargers' superior trust in Mike Tolbert during comeback-type situations. It doesn't sound like he experienced any setbacks, but Mathews will now get five days to fully rest the groin before San Diego returns to practice next Wednesday. It will be ten days before the Chargers' next game. They'll face an up-and-down Bears run defense in Week 11

Mathews will be just fine vs the Bears.

exactly. That explains his limited role.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Turner attributed Mathews' 21 snaps and nine touches to the injury as well as the Chargers' superior trust in Mike Tolbert during comeback-type situations.

Interesting.

 

[The Football Freak]

Turner attributed Mathews' 21 snaps and nine touches to the injury as well as the Chargers' superior trust in Mike Tolbert during comeback-type situations.

Interesting.

Yeah, that is a big problem. With this defense looking weaker and weaker, coupled with all of these offensive turnovers, they may be playing from behind a lot for the rest of the year.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Lots of speculation in here. If he were hurt in the game, news would have come out about it, and they would have reported something on it. Mathews was coming off an injury, which could also mean he was told to come out after certain plays to keep him healthy. Staying in to block over and over wouldn't be smart if they are trying to keep him healthy either. They also said that his production would be limited in this game prior to last night, so I don't know why everyone is shocked. He had the same amount of carries as Tolbert with better production. Tolbert also had a very limited role in week 3 after getting hurt in week 2, but in a much different type of game.

For the record, I own both and started both last night.

Didn't you predict a massive game for Mathews last night? I own both too but I'm done with excuses for Mathews. Okay, so he was still hurting from 2 weeks ago. I get that. But when is he not hurting. The guy runs one play and heads to the sidelines. He does not look like he has the passion to succeed.

Predict and hope are 2 different things, lol. Again, I started both knowing that Mathews was the more talented back and would do more with his opportunities, and Tolbert might grab a TD and some receptions. Mathews looked better on the field than Tolbert, however no one predicted the coaches not letting him get into a rhythm. Stuff like this happens in FFB. However, over-thinking Mathews is just plain dumb. How can you even judge that Mathews doesn't "look like he has the passion to succeed" ??

Not sure of the exact quarter, but it was around the 3rd when the Chargers took possession on the 5 yard line. First play was a handoff to Mathews who ran left 5 yards, avoided a ton of Raiders, then ran right and backwards to the 1 yard line where he was rocked on a huge hit. A safety or a LB had line of sight on him and was near full speed. Mathews could not run backwards anymore into the endzone, so he took a monster hit. Did not see him much after that.

Mathews almost was tackled for a safety. It was a VERY bad decision to turn that run back. He took a big hit. I don't think I saw him again after that (could be wrong). He could have been pulled for stupidity or for injury.

Again, I don't understand how people don't realize this was a free play . He was trying to make something out of nothing with no risk (it was an offsides penalty)

You're presuming he knew it was a free play.

 

[flranger]

I don't care where you drafted Mathews. Anyone who doesn't think he's at least a BIT of a disappointment thus far is

I think shady is his agent or something.

He's had a few good games, yes. But consistency is what I value the most in fantasy RBs. Mathews falls short in that category.

I'm very happy with him. $9 in a $200 auction league. Less than 5% of my cap and until now was producing top 10 RB numbers. Has it been perfect like Fred Jackson, no but a hell of a lot better than a lot of the RBs that cost more.It's one game guys. Oakland played ball control perfectly and stuck it down SD throat. In PPR he still got over 8 points. Not great, but no worse than someone like L Blount or Shonn Greene running for 90 yards with no TDs or catches.

 

[RBM]

I can see it both ways. I mean its easy to see how talented the kid is...really nothing he cant do out there....just a complete rb. But...the leaving games for stretches and always having to worry about him pulling himself out of a game us really annoying. Seeing him on that sideline late in that Mon night game and watching Brinkley pick up chunks of points just pissed me off.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I can see it both ways. I mean its easy to see how talented the kid is...really nothing he cant do out there....just a complete rb. But...the leaving games for stretches and always having to worry about him pulling himself out of a game us really annoying. Seeing him on that sideline late in that Mon night game and watching Brinkley pick up chunks of points just pissed me off.

The talent and ability are obviously there. But he doesn't strike me as a guy with a sense of urgency to be on the field right now.

 

[Football Jones]

This is a great time to acquire Mathews if you can find an owner who's getting a little worried about the situation. Mathews is going to be a premier RB in this league.

Sometimes it's a process. Tolbert will take less & less away as Mathews matures. I look for a 70/30 split as soon as 2012. And Mathews will eventually become their 3rd down back & likely even their GL back. He's just so much more explosive than Tolbert.

I think what we're looking at is a RB on the verge of becoming a stud (Mathews) & a COP-type in Tolbert. It's only a matter of time.

 

[moderated]

I don't care where you drafted Mathews. Anyone who doesn't think he's at least a BIT of a disappointment thus far is

I think shady is his agent or something.

He's had a few good games, yes. But consistency is what I value the most in fantasy RBs. Mathews falls short in that category.

His first 5 games were outstanding and everyone was rightly excited about him. Since then he's been a gimpy flop and most people don't argue that.He was consistent until he hurt his Virginia

 

[Scrappy Doo]

Norv totally cost the Chargers that game by not staying with the run - particularly when Marcus McNeil got hurt and that Dombrowski backup came in at LT. They were clearly having a lot of trouble pass blocking. They were only down by one score with plenty of time left - at least 7 minutes to go - and instead of running their home run threat running back, they dropped Rivers back time after time.

I think Mathews will be fine IF NORV GETS HIS HEAD OUT OF HIS #### AND STARTS FEATURING HIM AGAIN.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Norv totally cost the Chargers that game by not staying with the run - particularly when Marcus McNeil got hurt and that Dombrowski backup came in at LT. They were clearly having a lot of trouble pass blocking. They were only down by one score with plenty of time left - at least 7 minutes to go - and instead of running their home run threat running back, they dropped Rivers back time after time.I think Mathews will be fine IF NORV GETS HIS HEAD OUT OF HIS #### AND STARTS FEATURING HIM AGAIN.

This thread goes in circles. Either the guy is wimpy and pulls himself out of the game for little owees, he lacks the heart to demand the ball/get in the game, his groin was still not healed and they were pulling him out of the game because of it, the coaching staff doesn't trust him, or Norv and his coaching staff are just stupid.Is that everything or is there more? ETA: I'm not against him doing well at all, in fact I want him to take over and become the stud he has the potential to be, but I admit I'm losing faith.

 

[fightingillini]

This is a great time to acquire Mathews if you can find an owner who's getting a little worried about the situation. Mathews is going to be a premier RB in this league.Sometimes it's a process. Tolbert will take less & less away as Mathews matures. I look for a 70/30 split as soon as 2012. And Mathews will eventually become their 3rd down back & likely even their GL back. He's just so much more explosive than Tolbert. I think what we're looking at is a RB on the verge of becoming a stud (Mathews) & a COP-type in Tolbert. It's only a matter of time.

I agree with your assessment that Mathews has clearly more talent than Tolbert, but there is a very big issue.....Mathews is currently labeled as injury prone. Mathews has premier RB talent. We have all seen it. But you can argue that Mathews will not receive 70% of the touches on a consistent basis because SD is going to want to keep him healthy. So until Mathews proves to be more durable, he will never fufill his total potential. To prove it, Mathews is going to need to play 15-16 games in 2012.BTW, Tolbert has shown to be better than just a COP back. But Tolbert is never going to be an elite RB, he just isn't a talented enough runner and lacks speed.That said, I agree with you that if you can get Mathews for a slight discount due to the current situation, one should do it.

 

[Hendo]

This thread made me lol

 

[AngryPatriot]

Abandon ship!! lol Another clunker, an erratic QB, a poor coach, a human bowling ball as a running mate, a defense that gives up points (need to throw), and a hurting knee/body part....

not trending in the right direction.

He's consistent alright. Playoffs!!!??? PLAYOFFS!!!????

(I do so hope he turns it around... but time is running out).