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[Goooals]

Ryan Torain Thread:

I know Shanahan makes all of us who play fantasy football go crazy, but someone close to the Redskins must know what has been going on in practice the last 10 days.

Is Torain getting the 1st team reps?

Is he sharing with Hightower?

We do know that Shanny loves him and brought him over from Denver to be the next T. Davis.

Thoughts?

 

[glumpy]

Ryan Torain Thread:

I know Shanahan makes all of us who play fantasy football go crazy, but someone close to the Redskins must know what has been going on in practice the last 10 days.

Is Torain getting the 1st team reps?

Is he sharing with Hightower?

We do know that Shanny loves him and brought him over from Denver to be the next T. Davis.

Thoughts?

Shanahan makes all of us who play fantasy football go crazy

Been this way forever--why would you expect differently now? I decided to place my bets on the chance that Torain takes the majority of the carries and I'm rolling him out this week along with Rice and McFadden. He's got game and Shanny loves him a go-to runningback. It's a good matchup and if it does fly then he'll be an every week play imo.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Torain when healthy under Shanny is solid. You remember last year, the guy was good for 100 plus for quite a stretch, so after last week and a good rushing matchup this week, you have to like it.

By no means is it set in stone that Torain is now this lock to put up solid numbers from now until the end of the season, he has had health issues in his short career and we're dealing with Shanny. But for me, use him while you have him. He's healthy and he's got a solid matchup, he's in my lineup as my RB2 and could very easily be my Rb1 this week IMO. He could easily be a sell high candidate too knowing his history after this week as well.

 

[CentralPA]

He's in there this week. The Eagles rush D is comical, horrible tackling and undersized front 7 playing in the wide 9 formation. This has at least 100 yards rushing for Torain written all over it.

 

[AcerFC]

He's in there this week. The Eagles rush D is comical, horrible tackling and undersized front 7 playing in the wide 9 formation. This has at least 100 yards rushing for Torain written all over it.

or an injury after a 30 yard run

 

[The Doctor]

hightower limited in practice on thursday

torain to start

 

[sho nuff]

With BJGE's toe (and BB's secrecy with injuries) back to rolling with Torrain.

Can't believe I got invovled with both a Shanny RB and Hoodie RB.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

waiver wire pickup of the year candidate?

 

[The Doctor]

waiver wire pickup of the year candidate?

he has a great matchup this week coming off the bye playing a hurting eagles team at home gets my start

 

[Crusaderfan]

waiver wire pickup of the year candidate?

he has a great matchup this week coming off the bye playing a hurting eagles team at home gets my start

Plus Shanahan has had two weeks to gameplan an attack against a Wide 9 defense with no LB's or safeties. I like this matchup - A LOT!

 

[C-Bound]

He could well go off but I'm rolling with Sjax instead.

 

[RUSF18]

I'm interested in knowing more about Hightower. He said his shoulder felt great on Monday, but then he ends up limited in practice Wed/Thurs. Are they just holding him back or did something flare up again in practice?

For disclosure I should add that I'm considering starting THT this week because I'm already replacing two starters on byes. If he's simply behind Torain but good to play, I may start him against this terrible defense. Even a limited amount of carries could provide enough flex points for me this week.

 

[fightingillini]

If you have decent RB depth, your best bet is to start Torain for the next two weeks (his matchups against PHI and CAR are two of the best for a RB), and then deal him when his value is high.

I can't imagine Torain not getting the majority of the carries going forward unless he gets injured......which the probability of that is high. Hightower has always been a mediocre back. WAS would be smart to run the ball a lot and keep the ball out of Grossman's turnover-prone hands. So WAS could run the ball 30 times a game, which gives Torain the opportunity for 18 or so carries and leaves Hightower and Helu in the mix for some action. Sure, Shanahan can change his mind at any moment, but Torain has always been a favorite of Shanahan.

With Wells on bye, Torain goes into my lineup. I would predict 90-125 yds rushing and a TD this week.

 

[two_dollars]

He could well go off but I'm rolling with Sjax instead.

I'm actually going the other way and benching SJax for Torain. We only start 2 RBs and my other starter is Gore.So in other words you should completely expect SJax to blow up on Sunday..

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Torain has proved when he is healthy and productive, he is the guy in Washington.

With that being said, he is healthey and productive, against the worst run defense in the history of football (not really)....I'm all aboard the Torain Train.

Philly gives up 140 ypg and hightower is banged up and limited in practice, so Torain will get most the carries.

I'm rolling McCoy and Torain, and believe Torain may out produce McCoy, oddly enough.

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

He could well go off but I'm rolling with Sjax instead.

I'm actually going the other way and benching SJax for Torain. We only start 2 RBs and my other starter is Gore.So in other words you should completely expect SJax to blow up on Sunday..

Have to make the same decision. You guys are messing me up...Leaning SJax's way because there is more certainty he will have a role. If Torain is declared the starter outright, then would have to seriously consider the switch.

 

[shnikies]

waiver wire pickup of the year candidate?

I don't see how he isn't. There are obviously some unknowns at this point that makes him a little risky. The "ifs" are if he is featured, which seems likely at this point and if he stays healthy which is probably the biggest "if". If he's featured, he's a top 20 back going forward as long as he's healthy and I don't see anyone who has been picked up off the waivers being better (Newton aside, drafted in most leagues) nor is there a good chance we'll see someone better. I'm guessing he's been taking the first team reps if Hightower has been limited but if someone finds out any news today posting it to the thread would be appreciated.

 

[C-Bound]

He could well go off but I'm rolling with Sjax instead.

I'm actually going the other way and benching SJax for Torain. We only start 2 RBs and my other starter is Gore.So in other words you should completely expect SJax to blow up on Sunday..

Have to make the same decision. You guys are messing me up...Leaning SJax's way because there is more certainty he will have a role. If Torain is declared the starter outright, then would have to seriously consider the switch.

If I weren't in PPR, I would probably lean Torain fwiw.

 

[R Dizzle]

Starting him over Felix, SJax and Daniel Thomas in a non-PPR. If he is given 20 carries I don't see any of those 3 players outproducing him.

 

[Flying Elvis]

The only quotes I've seen from Shanny are the "hot hand" BS. That would have to indicate Torain starts, and I've put him in my linuep over the likes of Bradshaw, Best, THT & Ridley. The league has bonus points for +5ypc and 100 yard games, so that factored into the decision, too.

 

[jp81976]

ugh. you guys are killing me. my mind was already made up that I was going to roll with Bradshaw, FFAX and Hillis.

you think he's got more in him this week? all three of those guys have plus matchups too.

I hate the fact that I know I'm leaving points on the bench but I'm going with the certainty of the roles and see how it goes. Plus, I know some owners already have interest in Torain...maybe I can get something for him and strike while the Iron is hot...although I kind of need him next week end Freddie and Ahmad are off.

 

[footballnerd]

In as my RB3 and Flex2

 

[TheAssassin]

Per Rotoworld:

Tim Hightower - RB - Redskins

According to CSN Washington's Kelli Johnson, Tim Hightower (shoulder) "looks like" the starter for this week's game against the Eagles.

The Redskins are still expected to "manage" Hightower's carries. HC Mike Shanahan and OC Kyle Shanahan are giving no hints as to the distribution of touches, though we suspect Ryan Torain will have the hot hand. "Every game is its own individual game and you see how it plays out. You get a feel for three guys going during the week," Kyle Shanahan said. "You get a feel in the game and you usually just go with your gut and how it's going." That sounds like the quintessential Shanahan hot-hand approach.

Related: Ryan Torain

Source: Kelli Johnson on Twitter

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Per Rotoworld:

Tim Hightower - RB - Redskins

According to CSN Washington's Kelli Johnson, Tim Hightower (shoulder) "looks like" the starter for this week's game against the Eagles.

The Redskins are still expected to "manage" Hightower's carries. HC Mike Shanahan and OC Kyle Shanahan are giving no hints as to the distribution of touches, though we suspect Ryan Torain will have the hot hand. "Every game is its own individual game and you see how it plays out. You get a feel for three guys going during the week," Kyle Shanahan said. "You get a feel in the game and you usually just go with your gut and how it's going." That sounds like the quintessential Shanahan hot-hand approach.

Related: Ryan Torain

Source: Kelli Johnson on Twitter

I trust no statement that has those two things bolded in them.

 

[two_dollars]

Per Rotoworld:

Tim Hightower - RB - Redskins

According to CSN Washington's Kelli Johnson, Tim Hightower (shoulder) "looks like" the starter for this week's game against the Eagles.

The Redskins are still expected to "manage" Hightower's carries. HC Mike Shanahan and OC Kyle Shanahan are giving no hints as to the distribution of touches, though we suspect Ryan Torain will have the hot hand. "Every game is its own individual game and you see how it plays out. You get a feel for three guys going during the week," Kyle Shanahan said. "You get a feel in the game and you usually just go with your gut and how it's going." That sounds like the quintessential Shanahan hot-hand approach.

Related: Ryan Torain

Source: Kelli Johnson on Twitter

I trust no statement that has those two things bolded in them.

That's funny because I don't trust anything posted by Rotoworld.

 

[RUSF18]

Like I said above, that quote seems to indicate to me that he is healthy enough where I can start THT in a flex spot during a tough bye week. But if I were you guys I'd still start Torain unless you have much better options. I'd be surprised if it's not a 50/50 split, or 55/45 in Torain's favor.

edit: I mean the Rotoworld quote, not the Shanahan quote which doesn't appear to be new info.

 

[two_dollars]

I wouldn't have a problem rolling out Torain AND Hightower this week.

 

[shnikies]

Like I said above, that quote seems to indicate to me that he is healthy enough where I can start THT in a flex spot during a tough bye week. But if I were you guys I'd still start Torain unless you have much better options. I'd be surprised if it's not a 50/50 split, or 55/45 in Torain's favor.edit: I mean the Rotoworld quote, not the Shanahan quote which doesn't appear to be new info.

I understand Shanahan is quick to switch starting running backs but doesn't he usually feature one guy each game? Isn't he a part of the school that believes a running back needs to get into a rhythm and by rotating, a back can't get into a rhythm?

 

[Judge Smails]

The Eagles can't tackle. To me this screams Torain, with Hightower spelling an occasional series and on 3rd downs.

 

[CentralPA]

He's in there this week. The Eagles rush D is comical, horrible tackling and undersized front 7 playing in the wide 9 formation. This has at least 100 yards rushing for Torain written all over it.

or an injury after a 30 yard run

Yes, this is also a very likely possability.

 

[The Doctor]

TOrain to start

THT in on 3rd downs for blocking

helu sprinkled in

 

[cvnpoka]

Per Rotoworld:

Tim Hightower - RB - Redskins

According to CSN Washington's Kelli Johnson, Tim Hightower (shoulder) "looks like" the starter for this week's game against the Eagles.

The Redskins are still expected to "manage" Hightower's carries. HC Mike Shanahan and OC Kyle Shanahan are giving no hints as to the distribution of touches, though we suspect Ryan Torain will have the hot hand. "Every game is its own individual game and you see how it plays out. You get a feel for three guys going during the week," Kyle Shanahan said. "You get a feel in the game and you usually just go with your gut and how it's going." That sounds like the quintessential Shanahan hot-hand approach.

Related: Ryan Torain

Source: Kelli Johnson on Twitter

I trust no statement that has those two things bolded in them.

That's funny because I don't trust anything posted by Rotoworld.

rotoworld is just relaying what the washington beat writer said. not sure why you wouldnt trust that he said that. independent research indicates that, indeed, kelli johnson said as much.

 

[shnikies]

Rich Campbell of the Washington Times believes Ryan Torain has "the edge" in the Redskins backfield this week due to his "proven ability to gain yards after contact."

Tim Hightower is publicly campaigning to start against the Eagles, and at least one report suggests that will happen. Hightower (shoulder) is listed as questionable, however, and may see just a carry or two before giving way to Torain. Against the Eagles' generous run defense, Torain remains a RB2 play this week.

That's how I see it. If Hightower is the starter it'll be just by name. He'll have a couple carries and possibly not see the field again.

 

[DevilintheDetail]

"Ryan [Torain] had a great game against the Rams. Anytime you have a guy average seven yards a carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show what he can do." -HC Shanihan

http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Hightower-Torain-Vie-For-Playing-Time/e150770e-47e7-4b20-9d54-623fc3f394c7?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[UFGator0587]

I'm in the unfortunate position of owning both Hightower and Train (tried to trade Hightower BEFORE the STL game to no avail) and I'm really worried about this week.

Obviously Torain has more talent, but has anyone considered what might happen if Hightower starts this week and goes nuts on the Eagles with his first few carries? The plan may be to make him the starter in name only, but the Eagles are so bad that Hightower might stay in longer than expected...

 

[hotlanta]

Why is Hightower talking as if he's the starter? Is it wishful thinking on his part? He said he's been preparing all week to be the 'starter'. And that just doesn't seem like he's talking about a "get 2 carries and give up to Torain" type deal.

Plus he's been limited all week with a knee injury anyway. What gives?

 

[LawFitz]

Plus he's been limited all week with a knee injury anyway. What gives?

I thought it was a shoulder?

 

[hotlanta]

Plus he's been limited all week with a knee injury anyway. What gives?

I thought it was a shoulder?

Tim Hightower (knee) is listed as "questionable" after another limited practice on Friday.Hightower was limited all week, but all indications suggest he will be active on Sunday. One report has Hightower as the likely starter, though he could give way to Ryan Torain in a "hot hand" approach after just a few carries. Hightower will be a risk-reward RB2 play against the Eagles' 30th-ranked run defense.

 

[shnikies]

Why is Hightower talking as if he's the starter? Is it wishful thinking on his part? He said he's been preparing all week to be the 'starter'. And that just doesn't seem like he's talking about a "get 2 carries and give up to Torain" type deal.Plus he's been limited all week with a knee injury anyway. What gives?

I'm guessing he thinks if he gets one more shot to carry the load he'll be able to keep the job since they're playing the Eagles and he'll put up good numbers.

 

[LawFitz]

Plus he's been limited all week with a knee injury anyway. What gives?

I thought it was a shoulder?

Tim Hightower (knee) is listed as "questionable" after another limited practice on Friday.Hightower was limited all week, but all indications suggest he will be active on Sunday. One report has Hightower as the likely starter, though he could give way to Ryan Torain in a "hot hand" approach after just a few carries. Hightower will be a risk-reward RB2 play against the Eagles' 30th-ranked run defense.

Hard to see a gimpy THT keeping Torain Train off the field this week, not matter who gets the first carry. Torain was beasting last game, and really has been whenever he's been healthy in his short career. Shanny loves him and on a PPG basis, he's been very solid. This could be a huge week for him against a plus matchup Iggles defense. He could be in line for featured looks, with just a sprinkling of the other two as long as he keeps his head on straight and a tight grip on the ball.

 

[solwoldjr]

With the matchup against Philly I think both could produce decent numbers. I am starting THT as a bye week fill-in for Beanie Wells in one league and Torain as a bye week fill-in for Ryan Matthews in another. Only a huge game by Helu can foil this plan!

 

[FF Ninja]

waiver wire pickup of the year candidate?

Um, you mean the Jackie Battle award? That competition has been closed. I'm pretty sure Jackie Battle won that in August.But seriously, if Torain stays healthy, then yes, he just may win the Jackie Battle award.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Rich Campbell of the Washington Times believes Ryan Torain has "the edge" in the Redskins backfield this week due to his "proven ability to gain yards after contact."Tim Hightower is publicly campaigning to start against the Eagles, and at least one report suggests that will happen. Hightower (shoulder) is listed as questionable, however, and may see just a carry or two before giving way to Torain. Against the Eagles' generous run defense, Torain remains a RB2 play this week. That's how I see it. If Hightower is the starter it'll be just by name. He'll have a couple carries and possibly not see the field again.

OK, so Hightower may be the starter. If the Redskins are going with a hot-hand approach and Philly's rush D is really that bad, isn't it possible that Hightower starts, gets a few carries and does a lot with them and Torain sees less time on the field since Hightower gets the hot hand? As a Torain owner, this is my fear.

 

[RUSF18]

Rich Campbell of the Washington Times believes Ryan Torain has "the edge" in the Redskins backfield this week due to his "proven ability to gain yards after contact."Tim Hightower is publicly campaigning to start against the Eagles, and at least one report suggests that will happen. Hightower (shoulder) is listed as questionable, however, and may see just a carry or two before giving way to Torain. Against the Eagles' generous run defense, Torain remains a RB2 play this week. That's how I see it. If Hightower is the starter it'll be just by name. He'll have a couple carries and possibly not see the field again.

OK, so Hightower may be the starter. If the Redskins are going with a hot-hand approach and Philly's rush D is really that bad, isn't it possible that Hightower starts, gets a few carries and does a lot with them and Torain sees less time on the field since Hightower gets the hot hand? As a Torain owner, this is my fear.

I'm with you, and not because I'm a THT owner. This plan just doesn't make sense. Clearly Torain has been playing better, if you want to go that route, you would start with Torain and then work the other guys in. It almost seems like everyone has a clean slate: THT, Torain, and Helu will all get a couple series in rotation and then the 2nd half carries will be based on production.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Plus he's been limited all week with a knee injury anyway. What gives?

I thought it was a shoulder?

Tim Hightower (knee) is listed as "questionable" after another limited practice on Friday.Hightower was limited all week, but all indications suggest he will be active on Sunday. One report has Hightower as the likely starter, though he could give way to Ryan Torain in a "hot hand" approach after just a few carries. Hightower will be a risk-reward RB2 play against the Eagles' 30th-ranked run defense.

Hard to see a gimpy THT keeping Torain Train off the field this week, not matter who gets the first carry. Torain was beasting last game, and really has been whenever he's been healthy in his short career. Shanny loves him and on a PPG basis, he's been very solid. This could be a huge week for him against a plus matchup Iggles defense. He could be in line for featured looks, with just a sprinkling of the other two as long as he keeps his head on straight and a tight grip on the ball.

I wouldn't mind seeing a link for the knee info. It's been his shoulder all week. I think someone may have mixed up his and Cooley's injury.

 

[Crusaderfan]

Rich Campbell of the Washington Times believes Ryan Torain has "the edge" in the Redskins backfield this week due to his "proven ability to gain yards after contact."Tim Hightower is publicly campaigning to start against the Eagles, and at least one report suggests that will happen. Hightower (shoulder) is listed as questionable, however, and may see just a carry or two before giving way to Torain. Against the Eagles' generous run defense, Torain remains a RB2 play this week. That's how I see it. If Hightower is the starter it'll be just by name. He'll have a couple carries and possibly not see the field again.

OK, so Hightower may be the starter. If the Redskins are going with a hot-hand approach and Philly's rush D is really that bad, isn't it possible that Hightower starts, gets a few carries and does a lot with them and Torain sees less time on the field since Hightower gets the hot hand? As a Torain owner, this is my fear.

I'm with you, and not because I'm a THT owner. This plan just doesn't make sense. Clearly Torain has been playing better, if you want to go that route, you would start with Torain and then work the other guys in. It almost seems like everyone has a clean slate: THT, Torain, and Helu will all get a couple series in rotation and then the 2nd half carries will be based on production.

I'm sure the Eagles hope that Shanahan plays musical RB's this week. They probably wish the Bills had used Spiller more last week rather than jamming Jackson down their throats the entire game. To me, this is the only way Washington will fail to establish a good running attack this week - failing to let any one of their RB's develop a rhythm.

 

[stbugs]

Unless I hear something totally different from Shanny himself, I am going with Torain over Hightower in the one league I have them. I drafted Hightower in my weakest spot (RB2) on the chance that he would deliver like he did in pre-season. He has been a disappointment and that coupled with what Torain did last year and last week on the same team, I just can't see how the Redskins don't ride Torain. Shanny isn't going to tell the Eagles who they should prepare for this week and I don't expect him to, but the facts on the football field are pretty cut and dry.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Rich Campbell of the Washington Times believes Ryan Torain has "the edge" in the Redskins backfield this week due to his "proven ability to gain yards after contact."

Tim Hightower is publicly campaigning to start against the Eagles, and at least one report suggests that will happen. Hightower (shoulder) is listed as questionable, however, and may see just a carry or two before giving way to Torain. Against the Eagles' generous run defense, Torain remains a RB2 play this week.

That's how I see it. If Hightower is the starter it'll be just by name. He'll have a couple carries and possibly not see the field again.

OK, so Hightower may be the starter. If the Redskins are going with a hot-hand approach and Philly's rush D is really that bad, isn't it possible that Hightower starts, gets a few carries and does a lot with them and Torain sees less time on the field since Hightower gets the hot hand? As a Torain owner, this is my fear.

I'm with you, and not because I'm a THT owner. This plan just doesn't make sense. Clearly Torain has been playing better, if you want to go that route, you would start with Torain and then work the other guys in. It almost seems like everyone has a clean slate: THT, Torain, and Helu will all get a couple series in rotation and then the 2nd half carries will be based on production.

The scenario Sack-Religious lays out is certainly not impossible, but I think it's highly unlikely. Shanahan (along with many other coaches) has seemed to put a lot of stock in how much work a player can put in during the week and what kind of "football shape" (an oft used Shanahan-ism) a player is in. John Keim says Hightower's "limited" status means he's "taking a limited amount of reps in team drills". ATM, I don't see how that doesn't mean that Torain is getting the bulk of the 1st team reps, and will therefore be the most prepared (from a reps standpoint) and healthiest RB this week.My prediction is that, regardless of who "starts", Torain will see either the most carries, or, if some kind of nearly even split happens to occur, will do the most with his carries. Even if the latter occurs, I think Torain touches the ball about 15 times.

 

[stbugs]

Rich Campbell of the Washington Times believes Ryan Torain has "the edge" in the Redskins backfield this week due to his "proven ability to gain yards after contact."Tim Hightower is publicly campaigning to start against the Eagles, and at least one report suggests that will happen. Hightower (shoulder) is listed as questionable, however, and may see just a carry or two before giving way to Torain. Against the Eagles' generous run defense, Torain remains a RB2 play this week. That's how I see it. If Hightower is the starter it'll be just by name. He'll have a couple carries and possibly not see the field again.

OK, so Hightower may be the starter. If the Redskins are going with a hot-hand approach and Philly's rush D is really that bad, isn't it possible that Hightower starts, gets a few carries and does a lot with them and Torain sees less time on the field since Hightower gets the hot hand? As a Torain owner, this is my fear.

I'm with you, and not because I'm a THT owner. This plan just doesn't make sense. Clearly Torain has been playing better, if you want to go that route, you would start with Torain and then work the other guys in. It almost seems like everyone has a clean slate: THT, Torain, and Helu will all get a couple series in rotation and then the 2nd half carries will be based on production.

I'm sure the Eagles hope that Shanahan plays musical RB's this week. They probably wish the Bills had used Spiller more last week rather than jamming Jackson down their throats the entire game. To me, this is the only way Washington will fail to establish a good running attack this week - failing to let any one of their RB's develop a rhythm.

True that will be the only way they fail, but Shanahan has been known in the past to not do that. I understand he isn't forthcoming, but when he has had a solid guy, he has given him carries.From last year to last week, when not hurt during the game or when not coming in for Portis, Torain has carries of 18, 16, 20, 21, 24, 11, 20, 18 and 19. Seems like a bell cow to me when he plays a full game. Also, in the 11 carry game, he had 5-48 and 1 TD receiving since Dallas was up 27-7.

 

[northwoods]

Plus he's been limited all week with a knee injury anyway. What gives?

I thought it was a shoulder?

Tim Hightower (knee) is listed as "questionable" after another limited practice on Friday.Hightower was limited all week, but all indications suggest he will be active on Sunday. One report has Hightower as the likely starter, though he could give way to Ryan Torain in a "hot hand" approach after just a few carries. Hightower will be a risk-reward RB2 play against the Eagles' 30th-ranked run defense.

Hard to see a gimpy THT keeping Torain Train off the field this week, not matter who gets the first carry. Torain was beasting last game, and really has been whenever he's been healthy in his short career. Shanny loves him and on a PPG basis, he's been very solid. This could be a huge week for him against a plus matchup Iggles defense. He could be in line for featured looks, with just a sprinkling of the other two as long as he keeps his head on straight and a tight grip on the ball.

I wouldn't mind seeing a link for the knee info. It's been his shoulder all week. I think someone may have mixed up his and Cooley's injury.

From NFL.com injury report: Tim Hightower RB Shoulder Limited Participation in Practice Questionable