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Saints will not win the NFC Championship (1 Viewer)

What's the matter with their O-Line? Has the injury bug hit or something?

It seems to me that the line was the problem and offense, and their defense was their usual underwhelming self.

 
What's the matter with their O-Line? Has the injury bug hit or something?It seems to me that the line was the problem and offense, and their defense was their usual underwhelming self.
The line had a bad game. So far it is not a trend and I dont expect it to be. Also I blame the coach for not adjusting and playing both Bushrod and Streif on Ware by using one as a tight end. He has done this in the past and it has been affective. Why not this time I dont know.
 
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You Know all the Teams in the NFL have had bad games this year. Even Indy who is the only team left without defeat has looked vulnerable. The Vikings who were supposedly the Saints biggest threat looked pretty weak against the Panthers who are not even playoff caliber. get my point? The Saints had some key injuries on both sides of the ball and the Cowboys backs were against the wall. The Saints needed a win but it was not do or die. I hope the Cowgirls get to face the Saints against in the playoffs but something tells me it will be the Eagles and Saints for the NFC Championship.
Funny, a month ago, I would have called you crazy predicting the Eagles going anywhere in the playoffs, let alone, making it. Now, I really like the Eagles chances. They have finally been utilizing Weaver more running the ball, Westbrook will be totally fresh for the playoffs, McCoy looks like more then capable as a replacement should Westbrook get reinjured. Curtis finally saw the field for the first time last week and should be full speed come playoff time. The offensive line is starting to gel. Offensively, the Eagles are as good and deep as any team. Defensively, their biggest problem appears to be tackling. If they can do an adequate job of that, they actually stand a pretty good chance of making it to the NFCCG. Heck, they may even get a 1st round bye. Pretty amazing considering where they were.This is what makes the NFL the greatest sport to follow.
 
What's the matter with their O-Line? Has the injury bug hit or something?It seems to me that the line was the problem and offense, and their defense was their usual underwhelming self.
The line had a bad game. So far it is not a trend and I dont expect it to be. Also I blame the coach for not adjusting and playing both Bushrod and Streif on Ware by using one as a tight end. He has done this in the past and it has been affective. Why not this time I dont know.
Saints center Jonathan Goodwin did get hurt early in the Cowboys game. I wonder if the pre-snap line calls were a little out-of-whack because of that?The Saints' defense was decent after the first quarter, though the Cowboys' two long drives in the 3rd & 4th quarters helped eat clock and stave off a full Saints comeback. It was also the first game all year that the Saints did not get a turnover from their opponent.
 
You Know all the Teams in the NFL have had bad games this year. Even Indy who is the only team left without defeat has looked vulnerable. The Vikings who were supposedly the Saints biggest threat looked pretty weak against the Panthers who are not even playoff caliber. get my point? The Saints had some key injuries on both sides of the ball and the Cowboys backs were against the wall. The Saints needed a win but it was not do or die. I hope the Cowgirls get to face the Saints against in the playoffs but something tells me it will be the Eagles and Saints for the NFC Championship.
look, im not saying the Saints arent a good team. you dont get to 13-1 by not being good. BUT, they lost to the Cowboys last week and have had some narrow escapes.all im sayin is, it's about momentum goin into th playoffs.
This is 100% false.The 2008 Steelers got beat badly by future playoff rival Tennessee in Week 16 before handling the hapless Browns at home in Week 17.

The 2007 Giants lost to their future Super Bowl opponent New England at home in Week 17, needed a fourth quarter comeback to beat the Bills in Week 16, and got beat soundly by the Redskins in Week 15.

The 2006 Colts lost to the Texans in Week 16 and barely squeaked by a mediocre Dolphins team in Week 17.

"Momentum" is virtually meaningless. It's a made-up concept that the talking heads on ESPN use when they run out of significant things to say. Obviously some teams play better at one point of the season than at another point, but you certainly don't need "momentum" from the regular season to win a Super Bowl. None of the last three Super Bowl champions have had regular season momentum going into the playoffs.

 
You Know all the Teams in the NFL have had bad games this year. Even Indy who is the only team left without defeat has looked vulnerable. The Vikings who were supposedly the Saints biggest threat looked pretty weak against the Panthers who are not even playoff caliber. get my point? The Saints had some key injuries on both sides of the ball and the Cowboys backs were against the wall. The Saints needed a win but it was not do or die. I hope the Cowgirls get to face the Saints against in the playoffs but something tells me it will be the Eagles and Saints for the NFC Championship.
look, im not saying the Saints arent a good team. you dont get to 13-1 by not being good. BUT, they lost to the Cowboys last week and have had some narrow escapes.all im sayin is, it's about momentum goin into th playoffs.
The Cards lost 4 of 6 to finish last season, including a 47-7 domination by New England in week 16.This wasn't a good loss, but when you play like absolute DRECK for 3 quarters and then lose by only 7 to a playoff team, I think that speaks volumes about the ability of this team. They essentially forgot to show up for 3 quarters and had a chance to tie it at the end. I'd be more concerned as a Cowboys fan that you dominated 3/4s of the game and had to escape at the end.To me it's all about homefield advantage and getting Ellis and Greer healthy. If those pieces fall in place, I'll be extremely confident. Here's how the rush and pass defenses stack up with and without those players:
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G	 Ydsw/ Ellis	9	95.4w/o Ellis   5   149.6
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G	  Ydsw/ Greer	8	218.8w/o Greer   5	300.2 (excl TB's 100 yards)
If they don't come back, every game will be a nail-biter.
 
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This wasn't a good loss, but when you play like absolute DRECK for 3 quarters and then lose by only 7 to a playoff team, I think that speaks volumes about the ability of this team. They essentially forgot to show up for 3 quarters and had a chance to tie it at the end. I'd be more concerned as a Cowboys fan that you dominated 3/4s of the game and had to escape at the end.
This is not a bad take. A lot of not-likely-to-repeat things happened in that last game -- no Dallas turnovers, no Saints 3rd-down conversions until the last qtr, Henderson's dropped pass in the end zone after the DB fell down, etc.
 
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This wasn't a good loss, but when you play like absolute DRECK for 3 quarters and then lose by only 7 to a playoff team, I think that speaks volumes about the ability of this team. They essentially forgot to show up for 3 quarters and had a chance to tie it at the end. I'd be more concerned as a Cowboys fan that you dominated 3/4s of the game and had to escape at the end.
I wouldn't be more concerned if I was a Cowboy fan. They walked away with a good win in December. That is a step in the right direction for the Cowboys. The Saints have fallen into a pattern of having to play catchup in some of their recent games. That is not a good thing. They will be playing good teams in the playoffs, and it won't be easy to catchup to these teams if the Saints continue to struggle out of the gate. Unless you are blinded by homerism, I don't see how this cannot be a concern for Saints fans. The Bucs game this weekend should help the Saints get back on track. One would think so anyway.
 
This wasn't a good loss, but when you play like absolute DRECK for 3 quarters and then lose by only 7 to a playoff team, I think that speaks volumes about the ability of this team. They essentially forgot to show up for 3 quarters and had a chance to tie it at the end. I'd be more concerned as a Cowboys fan that you dominated 3/4s of the game and had to escape at the end.
I wouldn't be more concerned if I was a Cowboy fan. They walked away with a good win in December. That is a step in the right direction for the Cowboys. The Saints have fallen into a pattern of having to play catchup in some of their recent games. That is not a good thing. They will be playing good teams in the playoffs, and it won't be easy to catchup to these teams if the Saints continue to struggle out of the gate. Unless you are blinded by homerism, I don't see how this cannot be a concern for Saints fans. The Bucs game this weekend should help the Saints get back on track. One would think so anyway.
Of course it's a concern. I said if those injured defensive players don't come back, every game will be a nail-biter. Nail-biters are not fun.
 
The Bucs game this weekend should help the Saints get back on track. One would think so anyway.
I still remember the Bucs beating Green Bay earlier in the season ... Saints have to go into this Sunday's game loaded for bear.
 
What's the matter with their O-Line? Has the injury bug hit or something?It seems to me that the line was the problem and offense, and their defense was their usual underwhelming self.
The line had a bad game. So far it is not a trend and I dont expect it to be. Also I blame the coach for not adjusting and playing both Bushrod and Streif on Ware by using one as a tight end. He has done this in the past and it has been affective. Why not this time I dont know.
yeah, i was surprised by this too. payton and his staff have been really very good about making adjustments over the course of a game. so if bushrod is struggling to block ware and spencer then he should have put TE thomas over their to help. i know that having shockey there would have helped because he could give you options that thomas doesn't necessarily give you at the position. on the otherwise, the d-line didn't really get pressure on romo. he was able to elude the rush or scramble for yardage. the pass rush has struggled in recent weeks and it just gives QBs time against weaker CBs in mckenzie, gay, and jenkins. i feel greer and porter can hold up better in coverage even when the QB has too much time.
 
I don't think that they're a bad team, they just peaked way too early. Happens every year to a couple of teams, they've got their best stuff in week 8, and by playoff time opposing schemes have caught up.

 
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In 1998, the Denver Broncos romped their way to a 13-0 start, then lost two in a row to fall to 13-2, before winning their final regular season game, and then going on to win the Super Bowl.

Not saying the Saints will do the same, but the sky has not completely fallen on them yet. They need to game plan for next week's game like it is an elimination game and get some momentum and rhythm going before their first round bye.

 
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You could see this from about a month ago, barely escaping with wins against lower tier teams (injuries had some part to do with it). They peaked early and look like they lost their mojo. They can get it back, but they look very mortal now.

 
You could see this from about a month ago, barely escaping with wins against lower tier teams (injuries had some part to do with it). They peaked early and look like they lost their mojo. They can get it back, but they look very mortal now.
:lmao: The entire NFC has kinks in the armor. Going to be a great postseason. :lmao: :lmao:
 
You could see this from about a month ago, barely escaping with wins against lower tier teams (injuries had some part to do with it). They peaked early and look like they lost their mojo. They can get it back, but they look very mortal now.
very :rolleyes:
 
...This is 100% false.The 2008 Steelers got beat badly by future playoff rival Tennessee in Week 16 before handling the hapless Browns at home in Week 17.The 2007 Giants lost to their future Super Bowl opponent New England at home in Week 17, needed a fourth quarter comeback to beat the Bills in Week 16, and got beat soundly by the Redskins in Week 15.The 2006 Colts lost to the Texans in Week 16 and barely squeaked by a mediocre Dolphins team in Week 17."Momentum" is virtually meaningless. It's a made-up concept that the talking heads on ESPN use when they run out of significant things to say. Obviously some teams play better at one point of the season than at another point, but you certainly don't need "momentum" from the regular season to win a Super Bowl. None of the last three Super Bowl champions have had regular season momentum going into the playoffs.
;) Well, stated TF. "Momentum" is the next series in the game. Admittedly, the Saints have not played well for the last several weeks, maybe the last month. Remember, Washington would have won that game if their kicker makes the FG. As of now, the Saints definitely look beatable. And a worrisome aspect is their kicking game is shaky. That is what makes the NFL so interesting.
 
...This is 100% false.The 2008 Steelers got beat badly by future playoff rival Tennessee in Week 16 before handling the hapless Browns at home in Week 17.The 2007 Giants lost to their future Super Bowl opponent New England at home in Week 17, needed a fourth quarter comeback to beat the Bills in Week 16, and got beat soundly by the Redskins in Week 15.The 2006 Colts lost to the Texans in Week 16 and barely squeaked by a mediocre Dolphins team in Week 17."Momentum" is virtually meaningless. It's a made-up concept that the talking heads on ESPN use when they run out of significant things to say. Obviously some teams play better at one point of the season than at another point, but you certainly don't need "momentum" from the regular season to win a Super Bowl. None of the last three Super Bowl champions have had regular season momentum going into the playoffs.
:bag: Well, stated TF. "Momentum" is the next series in the game. Admittedly, the Saints have not played well for the last several weeks, maybe the last month. Remember, Washington would have won that game if their kicker makes the FG. As of now, the Saints definitely look beatable. And a worrisome aspect is their kicking game is shaky. That is what makes the NFL so interesting.
I'd rather the NFL were boring this year :cry:
 
If the Vikes win tomorrow night, the Saints will be a number 2 seed. Because the way the Panthers are playing the past 2 weeks, they will beat the Saints also, giving them a 3 game losing streak. Vikes win there last 2 they get 1st seed.

 
If the Vikes win tomorrow night, the Saints will be a number 2 seed. Because the way the Panthers are playing the past 2 weeks, they will beat the Saints also, giving them a 3 game losing streak. Vikes win there last 2 they get 1st seed.
Id like the Panthers chances alot more if Steve Smith hadnt broken his arm today...damn that sucks...
 
ChrisCooleyFan said:
If the Vikes win tomorrow night, the Saints will be a number 2 seed. Because the way the Panthers are playing the past 2 weeks, they will beat the Saints also, giving them a 3 game losing streak. Vikes win there last 2 they get 1st seed.
Take this to the bank. Childress and Favre will find a way to screw up the Vikes post season.
 
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If the Vikes win tomorrow night, the Saints will be a number 2 seed. Because the way the Panthers are playing the past 2 weeks, they will beat the Saints also, giving them a 3 game losing streak. Vikes win there last 2 they get 1st seed.
Take this to the bank. Childress and Favre will find a way to screw up the Vikes post season.
I agree, even if the Vikes get home field I am more concerned about the Eagles and Cardinals. The Saints? Wow! I hope they can get it together. They thought they could just coast to a victory over the bucs after getting out to the 17-0 lead. That is inexcusable and Im glad it bit them in the ### now while there is still time to right the ship. This is not the finish any Saints fans were hoping for but hopefully this is not the team that shows up in the playoffs. We shall see.
 
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ChrisCooleyFan said:
If the Vikes win tomorrow night, the Saints will be a number 2 seed. Because the way the Panthers are playing the past 2 weeks, they will beat the Saints also, giving them a 3 game losing streak. Vikes win there last 2 they get 1st seed.
Take this to the bank. Childress and Favre will find a way to screw up the Vikes post season.
I agree, even if the Vikes get home field I am more concerned about the Eagles and Cardinals. The Saints? Wow! I hope they can get it together. They thought they could just coast to a victory over the bucs after getting out to the 17-0 lead. That is inexcusable and Im glad it bit them in the ### now while there is still time to right the ship. This is not the finish any Saints fans were hoping for but hopefully this is not the team that shows up in the playoffs. We shall see.
:lmao: :lmao:

 
vikingdave said:
ChrisCooleyFan said:
If the Vikes win tomorrow night, the Saints will be a number 2 seed. Because the way the Panthers are playing the past 2 weeks, they will beat the Saints also, giving them a 3 game losing streak. Vikes win there last 2 they get 1st seed.
Id like the Panthers chances alot more if Steve Smith hadnt broken his arm today...damn that sucks...
That little f'er KILLS the Saints. Hope his recovery in the offseason is quick, but I'm glad he'll be in street clothes for this one.
 
Really.... The Bucs? I thought the Saints were invincible at home?

This does not bode well for me as a Giants fan. The Eagles look to be in a really good position heading into the post season. Not a big fan of that.

If they sneak into a first round bye watch out for those dirt-birds.

 
I'm starting to wonder how much Shockey being out is affecting the offense. I think it could be a much more substantial effect than is being talked about.

 
I'm starting to wonder how much Shockey being out is affecting the offense. I think it could be a much more substantial effect than is being talked about.
Shockey helps LT Jermon Bushrod in pass protection A LOT. Shockey is excellent at getting that perfectly-timed redirection chip on DEs, and then releasing into his route. In contrast, Dave Thomas is a great passcatcher, but no more than a speedbump as a blocker.I had a misconception about Bushrod that he was handling the Julius Peppers and Justin Tucks on his own earlier in the season. Looking back on it, he was getting plenty of help from Shockey.
 
I'm starting to wonder how much Shockey being out is affecting the offense. I think it could be a much more substantial effect than is being talked about.
Shockey helps LT Jermon Bushrod in pass protection A LOT. Shockey is excellent at getting that perfectly-timed redirection chip on DEs, and then releasing into his route. In contrast, Dave Thomas is a great passcatcher, but no more than a speedbump as a blocker.I had a misconception about Bushrod that he was handling the Julius Peppers and Justin Tucks on his own earlier in the season. Looking back on it, he was getting plenty of help from Shockey.
This makes sense and it seems his absence has had a profound effect on the offense. Moreso than losing Bush or PT or Bell or Moore. It seems the offense is calling for quicker drops and plays and maybe it's because they know Brees has less time. This is leading to 3 and outs and just killing drives and putting the defense out on the field a lot.
 
Saints ran in 10 times for 28 yards in the 3rd and 4th quarter combined. That includes a 19 yard run by hamilton. They didn't run once during their last drive.

By comparison, they ran it 5 times for 37 yards on the opening drive.

Didn't run much against Dallas either - 11 times to the backs.

 
Saints ran in 10 times for 28 yards in the 3rd and 4th quarter combined. That includes a 19 yard run by hamilton. They didn't run once during their last drive.By comparison, they ran it 5 times for 37 yards on the opening drive. Didn't run much against Dallas either - 11 times to the backs.
This is what the talking heads said last week after there loss to the Cowgirls, earlier in the season they where close to 50% Run and Pass. That has really fell off of late. For what ever reason, this team is now in a downward spiral, and could easily be 1-3 in Dec. if it wasnt for an idiot kicker. This is not how you wanna go into the postseason.
 
The Saints throwing the ball more now is not a surprise. I have said for a while that Sean Payton has a lot of Mike Martz in him, and that is starting to come out more now.

 
no team has ever lost to the Bucs in the regular season and gone on to win the SB...
Maybe the most meaningless stat/tidbit I've ever seen, considering that (a) most super bowl winners only lose 4 or 5 games over an entire season tops; (b) since realignment, no NFC South team has won a Super Bowl, and © the team has only existed as an NFL team capable of victory since 1977 or 1978.You're basically saying that the 1985 Bears and the 1996 Packers swept the Bucs, and that the few other Super Bowl winners they may have crossed paths with them due to scheduling fortune knocked them off. Deep.
 
no team has ever lost to the Bucs in the regular season and gone on to win the SB...
Maybe the most meaningless stat/tidbit I've ever seen, considering that (a) most super bowl winners only lose 4 or 5 games over an entire season tops; (b) since realignment, no NFC South team has won a Super Bowl, and © the team has only existed as an NFL team capable of victory since 1977 or 1978.You're basically saying that the 1985 Bears and the 1996 Packers swept the Bucs, and that the few other Super Bowl winners they may have crossed paths with them due to scheduling fortune knocked them off. Deep.
I'm thinking Vikingdave is being sarcastic here Tobias, and his post was a "spoof" of sorts, on our (Minnesota's) 1998 15-1 season where our only regular season loss was to the Bucs.
 
vikingdave said:
ChrisCooleyFan said:
If the Vikes win tomorrow night, the Saints will be a number 2 seed. Because the way the Panthers are playing the past 2 weeks, they will beat the Saints also, giving them a 3 game losing streak. Vikes win there last 2 they get 1st seed.
Id like the Panthers chances alot more if Steve Smith hadnt broken his arm today...damn that sucks...
:confused: At least he got the td for me, I'm in the Superbowl. Need 13 points from Favre, Shiancoe and Winfield tonight for the win. :rolleyes:
 
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no team has ever lost to the Bucs in the regular season and gone on to win the SB...
Maybe the most meaningless stat/tidbit I've ever seen, considering that (a) most super bowl winners only lose 4 or 5 games over an entire season tops; (b) since realignment, no NFC South team has won a Super Bowl, and © the team has only existed as an NFL team capable of victory since 1977 or 1978.You're basically saying that the 1985 Bears and the 1996 Packers swept the Bucs, and that the few other Super Bowl winners they may have crossed paths with them due to scheduling fortune knocked them off. Deep.
I'm thinking Vikingdave is being sarcastic here Tobias, and his post was a "spoof" of sorts, on our (Minnesota's) 1998 15-1 season where our only regular season loss was to the Bucs.
Ah. That makes more sense. I also liked the "Bucs won the Super Bowl as an NFC South team" counterpoint to my post, too. That's funny stuff.If the Saints can hold on to home field, or maybe even if they don't, I'm loving them as a playoff team to wager on. The public can't jump off the bandwagon fast enough at this point. At some point, that abandonment, coupled with the defense and Shockey getting healthy is gonna make the Saints a good value play.
 
I think the Saints losing 2 in a row is a blessing in disguise.

I will stick to my SB prediction of The Saints winning it all.

 
I think the Saints losing 2 in a row is a blessing in disguise.
Hope so, man. I did think that going into the playoffs undefeated would have been an immense burden. Your opponent can play super-loose, while your own squad is tied up in psychological knots.
 
Now Im not a head coach, just some tard who posts on a message board. But I really dont see a team with 3 staright losses heading in to the playoffs is a good thing. Heck this team hasnt look good since the Monday night game 6 weeks ago. 1 and done 1 and done.

 
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Now Im not a head coach, just some tard who posts on a message board. But I really dont see a team with 3 staright losses heading in to the playoffs is good is a good thing. Heck this team hasnt look good since the Monday night game 6 weeks ago. 1 and done 1 and done.
Surprising to hear you say this....
 
Pretty happy about Dallas winning yesterday. Now, NO doesn't have to face either Minn or Dallas until the NFCC if they make it there. Those are the 2 teams that I think would give NO the toughest matchup.

 

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