Sammie Stroughter (1 Viewer)

[az_prof]

My waiver wire, deep sleeper for Dynasty this week is Sammie Stroughter. He was a 7th round pick by Tampa but he has already begun showing something on the field. 13 catches so far and he has assumed the WR3 spot on the team. After the Carolina game Coach Morris had very good things to say about him and his expanding role. Here is a Draft Guys video by our own Sigmund Bloom and Cecil Lamney.

Coach Morris talks about him here and has real high praise for the rookie.

http://www.buccaneers.com/multimedia/video...1&year=2009

 

[mlball77]

This is a guy I've been considering adding for a few weeks... might finally jump.

 

[TommyGilmore]

The guy is full of heart and is a tough competitor, but I don't see him as a long-term starter at WR. He's just too small (5-9, 189). He's more of a kick returner/slot guy. Plus, he's suffered from clinical depression in the past, so I would not be surprised if it popped up again and messed with his ability to perform at NFL levels.

 

[The Real Yoda]

I thought he was already past sleeper status. My dynasty leagues picked him up in the rookie draft and he has been rostered ever since :-/

 

[finito]

The guy is full of heart and is a tough competitor, but I don't see him as a long-term starter at WR. He's just too small (5-9, 189). He's more of a kick returner/slot guy. Plus, he's suffered from clinical depression in the past, so I would not be surprised if it popped up again and messed with his ability to perform at NFL levels.

I see him listed as 5-10, same height as Santana Moss, DeSean Jackson. I don't know if he'll ever be a quality starter, but he seems to have decent hands and is a hard worker. I really like this guy.

 

[inzanitee]

Love this guy. Been picking him up in every dynasty league I can. Led TB in receiving last week and has been getting more involved. Michael Clayton is awful, I'm sick of hearing about how great a blocker he is. Stroughter can do something Clayton cannot; catch the ball. He has a shot to be a very good WR IMO. I don't think his upside is simply a slot receiver, I think he can be a strong starter. Kid has heart, skills and a great work ethic.

 

[az_prof]

Love this guy. Been picking him up in every dynasty league I can. Led TB in receiving last week and has been getting more involved. Michael Clayton is awful, I'm sick of hearing about how great a blocker he is. Stroughter can do something Clayton cannot; catch the ball. He has a shot to be a very good WR IMO. I don't think his upside is simply a slot receiver, I think he can be a strong starter. Kid has heart, skills and a great work ethic.

I don't think he can be a superstar, but I think he can be a good WR3 in fantasy. The old notion that a WR has to be big to get free at the line or else be doomed to the slot isn't true anymore. A couple of years ago the NFL began to enforce the five yards defensive holding much more aggressively and I think we are beginning to see smaller receivers contribute more as a result.I like his good hands (catches with hands rather than body) and his solid route running. He did suffer from depression in college and that is part of why he fell in draft, but that year he had two deaths in the family and a death in the coaching staff. I think many of us would be depressed in those circumstances so I don't think you can assume he is clinically depressed. He had been drafted in my rookie draft but was dropped for a bye week TE. So he may be available in your dynasty league too as people make bye week cuts.

 

[todisco1]

In 5 dynasty leagues, he was drafted in 3 of them (2 by me), picked up last week in 1 other and this week was bought for 50% blind bidding bucks for the year.

I think TB is going to be using him more and more as the season progresses. From everything I've seen and read, he is a player.

 

[hostile]

All we can hope (from a FF stand point), is that his clinical depression is under control and he doesn't wig-out like he has in the past.

 

[az_prof]

All we can hope (from a FF stand point), is that his clinical depression is under control and he doesn't wig-out like he has in the past.

The man had two beloved Uncles and the coach who recruited him die in the space of a year. If that doesn't make you depressed you aren't human. It doesn't mean he is going "to wig out." Being depressed is not "wigging" out.

 

[TWP]

All we can hope (from a FF stand point), is that his clinical depression is under control and he doesn't wig-out like he has in the past.

The man had two beloved Uncles and the coach who recruited him die in the space of a year. If that doesn't make you depressed you aren't human. It doesn't mean he is going "to wig out." Being depressed is not "wigging" out.

There is a difference between being 'depressed' (i.e. upset at the loss of loved ones) and being depressed. This dude was depressed. His draft stock took a hit because of it. Of course it is insensitive to refer to an onset of depression as 'wigging out' but the poster is not the only person with an interest in Stroughter's football career to think that his bout of depression may have future impacts.

 

[gman8343]

I'm depressed I only have him in 2 dynasty leagues. Watched this guy play and think he's a terrific player.

 

[az_prof]

All we can hope (from a FF stand point), is that his clinical depression is under control and he doesn't wig-out like he has in the past.

The man had two beloved Uncles and the coach who recruited him die in the space of a year. If that doesn't make you depressed you aren't human. It doesn't mean he is going "to wig out." Being depressed is not "wigging" out.

There is a difference between being 'depressed' (i.e. upset at the loss of loved ones) and being depressed. This dude was depressed. His draft stock took a hit because of it. Of course it is insensitive to refer to an onset of depression as 'wigging out' but the poster is not the only person with an interest in Stroughter's football career to think that his bout of depression may have future impacts.

And I am saying that millions and millions of Americans take anti-depressants and that needing to do so after experiencing multiple deaths as a young man is hardly unusual. His draft stock took a dip as a result but that is because teams want to avoid the mistake MN took a few years ago when they drafted a DE who was completely nuts (a religious fanatic who thought football was contrary to his Christian beliefs) or a guy like Vince Young who got depressed at his failure and who has no confidence in himself. Stroughter's past illness is very different and now that he is in the NFL and producing I think he has proven that it's no longer a concern.

 

[hostile]

All we can hope (from a FF stand point), is that his clinical depression is under control and he doesn't wig-out like he has in the past.

The man had two beloved Uncles and the coach who recruited him die in the space of a year. If that doesn't make you depressed you aren't human. It doesn't mean he is going "to wig out." Being depressed is not "wigging" out.

There is a difference between being 'depressed' (i.e. upset at the loss of loved ones) and being depressed. This dude was depressed. His draft stock took a hit because of it. Of course it is insensitive to refer to an onset of depression as 'wigging out' but the poster is not the only person with an interest in Stroughter's football career to think that his bout of depression may have future impacts.

This.If it was just a "one-time thing", he would not have fallen in the draft like he did. To think teams do not scrutinize this sort of event in a potential player's life to the n'th degree, you're mistaken.

Regarding my "insensitive" post? Relax guys.

We are not discussing Sammie Stroughter the nice kid who had beloved ones die. We're on one of the largest FF forums on the Internet, discussing Sammie Stroughter the potential NFL WR commodity, and all of the potential successes and pitfalls surrounding that commodity. Two different things. Would people be that offended if I said I would be concerned drafting Jared Allen b/c of his alcoholism? There seemed to be *plenty* of jokes surrounding that. How about Jerramy Stevens and him beating up women on a semi-regular basis?

Where's smoke, there's fire. As a person who has personal experience with people who suffer from mental illness, including depression, I can tell you it is not something which magically goes away if it is a continuing, clinical condition. So, if he has the potential to be performing at a high level, then just black-hole due to a relapse, I'd want to know about it.

 

[TGinKC]

Sorry fellas, I just added him to my roster which probably doomed his chances of stardom...

 

[falcoatl]

So does he have WR1 potential in fantasy? In another thread it was said that he only has #2 WR potential even with the consideration of him being on a bad team.

 

[LBH]

Sammie getting some decent press through the offseason and into training camp. Anybody think he might be a sneaky late rounder in PPR?

 

[Patoons]

Sammie getting some decent press through the offseason and into training camp. Anybody think he might be a sneaky late rounder in PPR?

I think he's an interesting guy to keep tabs on and take as a long-shot. It looks like Benn is coming along slowly, so he should see time this year. The only issue is that he's likely the 3rd best receiving option behind Winslow and Williams.

 

[loose circuits]

Sammie getting some decent press through the offseason and into training camp. Anybody think he might be a sneaky late rounder in PPR?

I think he's an interesting guy to keep tabs on and take as a long-shot. It looks like Benn is coming along slowly, so he should see time this year. The only issue is that he's likely the 3rd best receiving option behind Winslow and Williams.

the good news is what they should have to throw a lot with their D still a work in progress so he'll still be on the field near as much as the starters even if he is relegated to the slot role

 

[Jeff Haseley]

I think he's definitely someone to keep an eye on, especially in dynasty leagues. Here's my write up on Stroughter from my dynasty rankings.

As a 7th round rookie pick last year, Stroughter is making strides and could be someone who could reach 40-50 receptions in 2010. He had at least three catches in eight games as a rookie last year and showed good promise as the season went on. The Bucs recently drafted two rookie WRs in Arrelious Benn and Mike Williams to bolster their weakened WR corps. These acquisitions could drop Stroughter down the depth chart, but don't rule him out. He appears to have a strong desire and appreciation for the game, as evidenced by this pre-draft quote - "That's my focus, to be there as much as possible to help the team on first and second down, when I can play outside. Then I can move to the slot on third down. I'm going into the voluntary workouts like I'm the man - period, point blank. Whatever role I have, I'm going to be the best, being the team's No. 1." Stroughter has a head start on the two rookie WRs, because he has already established a rapport with QB Josh Freeman. Don't be surprised if Stroughter's experience and determination is rewarded with a starting WR role in 2010.

 

[LBH]

We asked Raheem Morris today whether Sammie Stroughter would start opposite Mike Williams in Saturday's preseason game against Kansas City, and his answer was quite interesting.

Basically, he said no. But, in effect, he said a lot more.

"In the preseason, we kind of know what we've got in Sammie," Morris said. "And Sammie probably can give you more. We want to see about Reggie a little bit. We want to see about some of these guys we don't know as well, Arrelious Benn and some of those people. . . You don't want to play Sammie too much."

From where I sit, this pretty much indicates Stroughter is viewed by the team as a starter. This is something that reflects everything that's been suggested to us privately by coaches and people inside One Buc Place.

Stroughter isn't a prototypical flanker, a job that is usually fulfilled by a big-body receiver. But the Bucs are looking for ways to work around Stroughter's lack of size, like putting him in motion and using him much like the Patriots use Wes Welker -- another undersized No. 2 receiver who excels at running underneath routes.

Whatever the case, it looks right now like Stroughter will be in the starting lineup come opening day.

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/content...mmie-stroughter

I thought the bolded part was interesting

 

[loose circuits]

We asked Raheem Morris today whether Sammie Stroughter would start opposite Mike Williams in Saturday's preseason game against Kansas City, and his answer was quite interesting.

Basically, he said no. But, in effect, he said a lot more.

"In the preseason, we kind of know what we've got in Sammie," Morris said. "And Sammie probably can give you more. We want to see about Reggie a little bit. We want to see about some of these guys we don't know as well, Arrelious Benn and some of those people. . . You don't want to play Sammie too much."

From where I sit, this pretty much indicates Stroughter is viewed by the team as a starter. This is something that reflects everything that's been suggested to us privately by coaches and people inside One Buc Place.

Stroughter isn't a prototypical flanker, a job that is usually fulfilled by a big-body receiver. But the Bucs are looking for ways to work around Stroughter's lack of size, like putting him in motion and using him much like the Patriots use Wes Welker -- another undersized No. 2 receiver who excels at running underneath routes.

Whatever the case, it looks right now like Stroughter will be in the starting lineup come opening day.

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/content...mmie-stroughter

I thought the bolded part was interesting

good catch, he certainly has that playmaking 'swagger' to him. Should be interesting to see what the Bucs produce on offense this year. From all reports, Freeman has taken some major strides this season.

 

[Catbird]

I owned Sammie all of last year in a dynasty, but let him go recently in a roster crunch. I think Williams and Benn are the future wideouts in TB, and this is likely to be Stroughters best season - since the others will pass him once they know the ropes and routes. I see a fierce, competitive slot guy, but without the explosion you need to turn 5'9" into Smiff. While he has the attitude you have to love, I don't think he has the physical tools to be a difference maker, and that makes him a good slot guy. Meh.