San Francisco 49ers 2013 thread (SEE NEW 2014 THREAD) (1 Viewer)

[drummer]

Today was the 5th straight game SF scored 30+ points, tying a franchise record. The other 2 times they did it was in 1994 and 1997.



Think about that for a minute.

Yeah, but the games where they only scored 3 and 7 points were against SEA and IND respectively. So there is that.

No no...we're talking about the streak of 30+, not the pathetic games before it. TIA for your cooperation.

Well you don't have to get mad over it.

The scoring correction may be due to the following games against:

STL

HOU

AZ

TEN

JAX

Not quite a murderers row of defenses and offenses, but the 49ers are doing fine against them.

Just had to revisit this since the scoring streak really, really ended against CAR.

 

[thecatch]

Kaepernick is catching quite a bit of heat, and maybe he deserves some of it - the people who said his passing stats last year were a mirage were correct. For all the talk about the poor receivers, very good and great QBs make their WRs look better than they are. Kaepernick hasn't done that at all. He's accurate and strong armed enough to take advantage of a talented receiver who is consistently winning his matchup, but he's not distributing the ball around enough to keep defenses honest.

Some caveats - as mentioned earlier, the offensive line was horrific yesterday. Barrows claims Kaepernick was getting into his 3 step drop clean, but that's not what I saw at all. As soon as he hit his third step, most of the time he had a defensive linemen already starting to collapse the pocket. A lot of times he didn't get that far - lots of unblocked blitzers yesterday as well. And, to offer another excuse, the Niners do win that game if Vance McDonald holds onto a beautiful deep pass that hit him square in the hands in the fourth quarter.

Also, we need to reevaluate Greg Roman. The league has simply caught onto what he's doing. There's no excuse for a passing game performance like that against anybody in today's NFL. We've seen Mike Martz of all people almost get a 4000 yard season out of Shaun Hill and JT O'Sullivan - Roman has a lot of tools to work with and he's simply not getting the job done. The passing game has been completely MIA since week 1. Maybe this is because Roman knows Kaep is a one-read QB and Roman's doing the best he can, or maybe Roman's just not giving Kaepernick enough reads to run through. I tend to think the latter - whereas other QBs have the benefit of going 3-4 WR much of the time, giving them a bunch of options, Kaepernick never has more than 2, plus his tight ends, when they run routes. I think teams know play action is coming and its just too easy for them to sit on the limited number of routes that are occurring at any given time. But ultimately I'm not really sure how to apportion the blame between those two.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Really disappointed in yesterday's game, just a poor showing.

The loss of Vernon was pretty crushing, but honestly IDK if it would've made a difference. The offense just didn't look anything close to Super Bowl caliber. I really hope Crabtree is back by week 13-14 so they get a little time to run the entire offense before the playoffs.

Kaep was 11/22 for 91 and an INT - 4 rushes for 16.

Gore had a solid stat line of 16/82, over 5 a carry. Outside of Hunter's fumble, it wasn't a bad day on the ground, I feel like they kinda just got away from it.

Until Crabtree is back, Kaep needs better rushing numbers then 4/16.

Sucks that its starting to look like we'll finish 11-5/12-4 and land in a wildcard spot! At least we'll get the Eagle/Cowboys in the WC round. This game in NO next week could be a preview of the divisional round.

Newton fared slightly better but not much. I haven't watched the game yet - which is a good thing - but looking at the stats lines, one thing that still rings true is that Kendall "Minus Yardage" Hunter is no answer to spell Gore (FBG favorite Josh Meyer thinks he is, so good thing he bailed), and they haven't done anything with James either. Combine that with a weak receiving corp outside of Davis - face it, Boldin may have spurts of offense, but he is not opening things up for them either, so I think it's time they stop trying out old WR's on their last legs - and then try to put it all on Kaep, who unfortunately isn't able to transcend the team's weaknesses on offense (which the roster is even worse than the last two seasons due to injuries, and WR's like Williams who will never be good enough for anything worth his spot, at least in SF)........

Well, it all adds up to "Terrell Owens Day" being ironic in the sense that the 49ers, especially the overrated GM in Baalke IMO, not being able to find another stud in the draft since. Crabtree? I still think a solid number two WR who skirts the edge of a number one stud, but that was Scot McGlouhan's pick, who I think still works for Pete Carroll in SEA. We all know how AJ Jenkins worked out, who was Baalke's first bust.

If Smith can stop living the GTA lifestyle I'd credit him as a good pick, but I'm not holding my breathe for him to stop the knife fighting and drinking and driving.

Honestly, without Hunter's fumble I think they would've pulled that out yesterday... I'm extremely excited for the Lattimore error to begin, I just hope he can stay healthy!

AJ Jenkins (and then Baldwin) are the workings of a horror show - We might as well of donated that pick to good will.

With Crabtree coming back hopefully soon, V Davis, & Gore, they have a solid enough core to do some damage. They ABSOLUTELY need another WR across from Crabtree - Boldin is just too old, Manningham is mediocre at best, Baldwin is a bust equivalent to Jenkins and Williams should've been cut after the 2011 season. The 2014 WR FA class is underwhelming http://overthecap.com/freeagents.php?Position=WR&Year=2014

I'd be happy with Decker lining up across Crabtree. Maclin if he's healthy, or taking a cheap flier on Britt, assuming he can avoid being arrested for the next 9 months. If they don't sign a WR, they need to draft a WR in round 1 & cannot miss again.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Kaepernick is catching quite a bit of heat, and maybe he deserves some of it - the people who said his passing stats last year were a mirage were correct. For all the talk about the poor receivers, very good and great QBs make their WRs look better than they are. Kaepernick hasn't done that at all. He's accurate and strong armed enough to take advantage of a talented receiver who is consistently winning his matchup, but he's not distributing the ball around enough to keep defenses honest.

Some caveats - as mentioned earlier, the offensive line was horrific yesterday. Barrows claims Kaepernick was getting into his 3 step drop clean, but that's not what I saw at all. As soon as he hit his third step, most of the time he had a defensive linemen already starting to collapse the pocket. A lot of times he didn't get that far - lots of unblocked blitzers yesterday as well. And, to offer another excuse, the Niners do win that game if Vance McDonald holds onto a beautiful deep pass that hit him square in the hands in the fourth quarter.

Also, we need to reevaluate Greg Roman. The league has simply caught onto what he's doing. There's no excuse for a passing game performance like that against anybody in today's NFL. We've seen Mike Martz of all people almost get a 4000 yard season out of Shaun Hill and JT O'Sullivan - Roman has a lot of tools to work with and he's simply not getting the job done. The passing game has been completely MIA since week 1. Maybe this is because Roman knows Kaep is a one-read QB and Roman's doing the best he can, or maybe Roman's just not giving Kaepernick enough reads to run through. I tend to think the latter - whereas other QBs have the benefit of going 3-4 WR much of the time, giving them a bunch of options, Kaepernick never has more than 2, plus his tight ends, when they run routes. I think teams know play action is coming and its just too easy for them to sit on the limited number of routes that are occurring at any given time. But ultimately I'm not really sure how to apportion the blame between those two.

The pass blocking was awful!!! & what makes it that much more terrible is the fact that they ran the ball decently - That should keep the defense honest, but the play calling is so F'in predictable

Vance McDonald is disappointing to say the least so far - V Davis makes that play 10/10 yesterday...

Their 3 WR set of Boldin, Williams, Baldwin/or now Manningham is terrible - that's equally as bad as Jax or NYJ - Baalke needs to fix this ASAP!

Even Tom Brady has looked awful with the combo of Dobson/Thompkins/Boyce - A QB needs something more than a pulse lining up at WR.

 

[drummer]

Kaep threw to Crabs more often last season, and in his words why: "He was open". Media asks him to comment further, he says "He was open". Calling him a one read after his first start in CHI last season, where he threw to more options kinda leads me away from thinking he is just a "one read" QB. Of course, great QB's, the elite to almost elite throw make WR's more open, like "throwing them open". Kaep is far from a polished, experienced passer, but there is no doubt about his upside. But again, he can't transcend the lack of consistency and talent within the WR corp, and the 49ers still aren't a passing team in Harbaugh's third season. They I think rank lower than the last two seasons in passing yardage, and that was low to begin with. But now there is no WR that get's open like Crabs, so there is that.

I think I have said this here on this board once or twice, but I did post my thoughts on Kaep way before the draft after seeing some clips of him on YouTube while @ Nevada: that he looked like a system QB who was a little stiff, and after the draft, that he may not be "getting it" until year 4 or 5 in the NFL. So already he is a little further than my expectations, but still maybe another off-season away or even two to get to that level of a Flacco, Ryan, Stafford, etc. But he can be explosive. He has been way overhyped, even by myself last season to an extent, but still better than who he replaced. That hype sells jersey's and puts butts in the seats, and of course the 49ers love he having a "superstar" label attached because he can sell, and there will be a game where we see that flash of potential this season. But there is just not enough talent to support him in the passing game, and even the run game is still all Gore. If he goes down, forget it. Someone pray over Lattimore's legs pouring Tim Tebow's tears over them for miracles.

The 49ers had 5 consecutive games of 30+ points without much of a passing game (which again, has a lot of talent issues), and now fans are calling for Roman's head. Pretty sure if he leaves SF it will be for a head coaching job. Maybe because of the 49ers scoring 30+ points a game without being a passing team.

 

[thecatch]

Even Tom Brady has looked awful with the combo of Dobson/Thompkins/Boyce - A QB needs something more than a pulse lining up at WR.

This is true. Still, the niners receivers other than Boldin have what, 100 total yards this year? A good QB (or offensive system) should be distributing the ball to that secondary option far more even given replacement level NFL talent (which is what SF has been throwing out there), particularly with defenses totally locked onto Boldin and Davis.

 

[chinawildman]

What I think is strange when watching the niners pass is that it's down the field or nothing at all... Are the checkdowns not getting open or are there no checkdowns at all? The RBs never seem to catch passes unless it's a designed or completely busted play. And as certain beat writers have noted, Roman has no idea that there is such a thing as a screen to ward off over aggresive linemen. Manningham catching a few slants was the first time I've seen that successfully executed since <gulp> last season... is that an indictment on our current WRs? I think so.

There were more than a few times I thought Kap could've stepped up in the pocket instead of trying to outrun the ends to the edge. His pocket awareness was pretty bad and getting sacked 6 times seems to echo that. One thing is for certain though, the passing game is lost without Vernon Davis. I've said before and I'll say it again, Kap is trying to do too much every time he drops back, sometimes he needs to realize that the play is lost and just run for 3 or 4 yards, or dump it off and see what happens.

The last interception was the culmination of bad play all around. There was no reason for Kaepernick to force it to Wiliams since they were in 4 down territory. In the replay, 2 checkdown wrs were open and could've gained at least 5 yards on that play. The bad news is that the 2 wrs were in the same spot on the deep routes and 2 guys were also in the same area for the check downs, at least one guy ran the wrong route on that play.

 

[thehornet]

defense can't always bail out the crappy qb play. happened on Sunday and it looks bad. that's a game they should have won if kaep was even mediocre.

 

[fantasycurse42]

What I think is strange when watching the niners pass is that it's down the field or nothing at all... Are the checkdowns not getting open or are there no checkdowns at all? The RBs never seem to catch passes unless it's a designed or completely busted play. And as certain beat writers have noted, Roman has no idea that there is such a thing as a screen to ward off over aggresive linemen. Manningham catching a few slants was the first time I've seen that successfully executed since <gulp> last season... is that an indictment on our current WRs? I think so.

There were more than a few times I thought Kap could've stepped up in the pocket instead of trying to outrun the ends to the edge. His pocket awareness was pretty bad and getting sacked 6 times seems to echo that. One thing is for certain though, the passing game is lost without Vernon Davis. I've said before and I'll say it again, Kap is trying to do too much every time he drops back, sometimes he needs to realize that the play is lost and just run for 3 or 4 yards, or dump it off and see what happens.

The last interception was the culmination of bad play all around. There was no reason for Kaepernick to force it to Wiliams since they were in 4 down territory. In the replay, 2 checkdown wrs were open and could've gained at least 5 yards on that play. The bad news is that the 2 wrs were in the same spot on the deep routes and 2 guys were also in the same area for the check downs, at least one guy ran the wrong route on that play.

That play was a disaster! I watched it a few times and it hurt my confidence in Kaep - He does need more pocket awareness... Couldn't agree more, he never steps up and always tries to get to the edge. On that particular play there were two guys underneath pretty much running side by side & amazingly they were both open. Could've picked up 8-10 yd, gotten out of bounds, stopped the clock, & had a manageable 3rd & 9... Instead he forced it into quadruple coverage... Only needed 3 in that situation.

Regardless, their play calling is becoming beyond predictable, coupled with Kaep always looking for the edge. For a team with a good run game, a mobile QB, they need to use the tools they currently have more effectively.

 

[fantasycurse42]

defense can't always bail out the crappy qb play. happened on Sunday and it looks bad. that's a game they should have won if kaep was even mediocre.

To say Kaep isn't even mediocre is just foolish - Brady looked like Gabbert slinging to three rookies... After V Davis went down, who was he supposed to throw the ball to?

 

[Braktastic]

defense can't always bail out the crappy qb play. happened on Sunday and it looks bad. that's a game they should have won if kaep was even mediocre.

To say Kaep isn't even mediocre is just foolish - Brady looked like Gabbert slinging to three rookies... After V Davis went down, who was he supposed to throw the ball to?

Not this guy anymore...

From Rotoworld:

Kyle Williams - WR - Free Agent


49ers waived WR Kyle Williams.

Williams "started" five of the 49ers' first nine games at receiver, but caught just 12 passes for 113 yards. He was also dead last in the league in punt-return average. Williams was a fringe NFL talent even before tearing his ACL last Thanksgiving, so it was extremely surprising how much time he got with San Francisco's offense. He's unlikely to draw much interest on waivers. The 49ers are moving forward with Mario Manningham opposite Anquan Boldin.

 

[fantasycurse42]

defense can't always bail out the crappy qb play. happened on Sunday and it looks bad. that's a game they should have won if kaep was even mediocre.

To say Kaep isn't even mediocre is just foolish - Brady looked like Gabbert slinging to three rookies... After V Davis went down, who was he supposed to throw the ball to?

Not this guy anymore...

From Rotoworld:

Kyle Williams - WR - Free Agent

49ers waived WR Kyle Williams.

Williams "started" five of the 49ers' first nine games at receiver, but caught just 12 passes for 113 yards. He was also dead last in the league in punt-return average. Williams was a fringe NFL talent even before tearing his ACL last Thanksgiving, so it was extremely surprising how much time he got with San Francisco's offense. He's unlikely to draw much interest on waivers. The 49ers are moving forward with Mario Manningham opposite Anquan Boldin.

Tis a happy day for the 49ers!!!! See you later Kyle...

 

[kface]

defense can't always bail out the crappy qb play. happened on Sunday and it looks bad. that's a game they should have won if kaep was even mediocre.

To say Kaep isn't even mediocre is just foolish - Brady looked like Gabbert slinging to three rookies... After V Davis went down, who was he supposed to throw the ball to?

Not this guy anymore...

From Rotoworld:

Kyle Williams - WR - Free Agent

49ers waived WR Kyle Williams.

Williams "started" five of the 49ers' first nine games at receiver, but caught just 12 passes for 113 yards. He was also dead last in the league in punt-return average. Williams was a fringe NFL talent even before tearing his ACL last Thanksgiving, so it was extremely surprising how much time he got with San Francisco's offense. He's unlikely to draw much interest on waivers. The 49ers are moving forward with Mario Manningham opposite Anquan Boldin.

Tis a happy day for the 49ers!!!! See you later Kyle...

About time...i couldn't believe that guy was seeing playing time.

On another note, I can't remember the last time I felt like the 49ers were this terrible of a passing team. As a guy that drafted Kaep in both my FFLs I am starting to really rethink his potential. There is just something jittery about him, he's one look and done (someone above was asking about the checkdowns and that is why). I have to suspect that he looks at this primary and then takes off around the corner. I am in no way saying Alex Smith is the better qb (I can't stand the guy) but the 49ers would be a much, much better team this year with him. Kaep hasn't just regressed, he has imploded as a passer. I hope he can put it together next year because I don't want the 49ers to have to go back to searching for a qb.

The other thing I have noticed about his running is he seems a little more apprehensive now. I'm surprised by how many times he gets caught by the dline

 

[chinawildman]

defense can't always bail out the crappy qb play. happened on Sunday and it looks bad. that's a game they should have won if kaep was even mediocre.

To say Kaep isn't even mediocre is just foolish - Brady looked like Gabbert slinging to three rookies... After V Davis went down, who was he supposed to throw the ball to?

Not this guy anymore...

From Rotoworld:

Kyle Williams - WR - Free Agent

49ers waived WR Kyle Williams.

Williams "started" five of the 49ers' first nine games at receiver, but caught just 12 passes for 113 yards. He was also dead last in the league in punt-return average. Williams was a fringe NFL talent even before tearing his ACL last Thanksgiving, so it was extremely surprising how much time he got with San Francisco's offense. He's unlikely to draw much interest on waivers. The 49ers are moving forward with Mario Manningham opposite Anquan Boldin.

Tis a happy day for the 49ers!!!! See you later Kyle...

About time...i couldn't believe that guy was seeing playing time.

On another note, I can't remember the last time I felt like the 49ers were this terrible of a passing team. As a guy that drafted Kaep in both my FFLs I am starting to really rethink his potential. There is just something jittery about him, he's one look and done (someone above was asking about the checkdowns and that is why). I have to suspect that he looks at this primary and then takes off around the corner. I am in no way saying Alex Smith is the better qb (I can't stand the guy) but the 49ers would be a much, much better team this year with him. Kaep hasn't just regressed, he has imploded as a passer. I hope he can put it together next year because I don't want the 49ers to have to go back to searching for a qb.

The other thing I have noticed about his running is he seems a little more apprehensive now. I'm surprised by how many times he gets caught by the dline

Sorry, but Smith was putting up these kind of performances WITH Davis and Crabtree on the field (see NFC championship v. Giants)... it's a completely unfair comparison. The fact that Manningham led the team in receiving in his first game off the PUP should tell you enough about this sorry excuse of a receiving corp.

 

[kface]

defense can't always bail out the crappy qb play. happened on Sunday and it looks bad. that's a game they should have won if kaep was even mediocre.

To say Kaep isn't even mediocre is just foolish - Brady looked like Gabbert slinging to three rookies... After V Davis went down, who was he supposed to throw the ball to?

Not this guy anymore...

From Rotoworld:

Kyle Williams - WR - Free Agent

49ers waived WR Kyle Williams.

Williams "started" five of the 49ers' first nine games at receiver, but caught just 12 passes for 113 yards. He was also dead last in the league in punt-return average. Williams was a fringe NFL talent even before tearing his ACL last Thanksgiving, so it was extremely surprising how much time he got with San Francisco's offense. He's unlikely to draw much interest on waivers. The 49ers are moving forward with Mario Manningham opposite Anquan Boldin.

Tis a happy day for the 49ers!!!! See you later Kyle...

About time...i couldn't believe that guy was seeing playing time.

On another note, I can't remember the last time I felt like the 49ers were this terrible of a passing team. As a guy that drafted Kaep in both my FFLs I am starting to really rethink his potential. There is just something jittery about him, he's one look and done (someone above was asking about the checkdowns and that is why). I have to suspect that he looks at this primary and then takes off around the corner. I am in no way saying Alex Smith is the better qb (I can't stand the guy) but the 49ers would be a much, much better team this year with him. Kaep hasn't just regressed, he has imploded as a passer. I hope he can put it together next year because I don't want the 49ers to have to go back to searching for a qb.

The other thing I have noticed about his running is he seems a little more apprehensive now. I'm surprised by how many times he gets caught by the dline

Sorry, but Smith was putting up these kind of performances WITH Davis and Crabtree on the field (see NFC championship v. Giants)... it's a completely unfair comparison. The fact that Manningham led the team in receiving in his first game off the PUP should tell you enough about this sorry excuse of a receiving corp.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is just that. But what this offenses needs right now is the guy who checks all the way down to his third read. The way things are going this year gore should have 50 catches. You can make that work as a threat. Right now I see a good chance of the 49ers being one and done in the playoffs because its either a run or a deep incomplete pass to a completely covered wr....

Like i said, I'm not saying he's the better qb (he drove me crazy) just that at this point this would be a better team with him.

 

[chinawildman]

On another note, I can't remember the last time I felt like the 49ers were this terrible of a passing team. As a guy that drafted Kaep in both my FFLs I am starting to really rethink his potential. There is just something jittery about him, he's one look and done (someone above was asking about the checkdowns and that is why). I have to suspect that he looks at this primary and then takes off around the corner. I am in no way saying Alex Smith is the better qb (I can't stand the guy) but the 49ers would be a much, much better team this year with him. Kaep hasn't just regressed, he has imploded as a passer. I hope he can put it together next year because I don't want the 49ers to have to go back to searching for a qb.

The other thing I have noticed about his running is he seems a little more apprehensive now. I'm surprised by how many times he gets caught by the dline

Sorry, but Smith was putting up these kind of performances WITH Davis and Crabtree on the field (see NFC championship v. Giants)... it's a completely unfair comparison. The fact that Manningham led the team in receiving in his first game off the PUP should tell you enough about this sorry excuse of a receiving corp.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is just that. But what this offenses needs right now is the guy who checks all the way down to his third read. The way things are going this year gore should have 50 catches. You can make that work as a threat. Right now I see a good chance of the 49ers being one and done in the playoffs because its either a run or a deep incomplete pass to a completely covered wr....

Like i said, I'm not saying he's the better qb (he drove me crazy) just that at this point this would be a better team with him.

I understand, after the seattle game I intimated as much by saying that Smith is more patient and takes what the defense gives him (something Kap has failed to show thus far) But losing your #1 WR is no small ordeal, losing your #1 TE as well is no picnic. It's no coincidence that with Gronk's return, Brady had his best game of the year (though it's obvious he still misses Welker) See Andrew Luck's first halves in the last several weeks with no Reggie Wayne. Unlike Kap however, Luck has shown the patience to turn into captain check down if need be... it's a lesson Kap will have to learn. I think he had too easy a go of it in the playoffs last year and is expecting the same results but with inferior personnel.

BTW I see what you're saying about Gore, but in this Roman offense, I've noticed the RB seldom runs pass routes and is often left in as a blocker. I think they need to rethink that strategy going forward.

 

[chinawildman]

BTW, how nice would it be if we still at least had Ted Ginn right now? I think Baalke severely underestimated the impact of losing both him and Delanie Walker.

 

[Spin]

defense can't always bail out the crappy qb play. happened on Sunday and it looks bad. that's a game they should have won if kaep was even mediocre.

To say Kaep isn't even mediocre is just foolish - Brady looked like Gabbert slinging to three rookies... After V Davis went down, who was he supposed to throw the ball to?

Not this guy anymore...

From Rotoworld:

Kyle Williams - WR - Free Agent

49ers waived WR Kyle Williams.

Williams "started" five of the 49ers' first nine games at receiver, but caught just 12 passes for 113 yards. He was also dead last in the league in punt-return average. Williams was a fringe NFL talent even before tearing his ACL last Thanksgiving, so it was extremely surprising how much time he got with San Francisco's offense. He's unlikely to draw much interest on waivers. The 49ers are moving forward with Mario Manningham opposite Anquan Boldin.

Tis a happy day for the 49ers!!!! See you later Kyle...

About time...i couldn't believe that guy was seeing playing time.

On another note, I can't remember the last time I felt like the 49ers were this terrible of a passing team. As a guy that drafted Kaep in both my FFLs I am starting to really rethink his potential. There is just something jittery about him, he's one look and done (someone above was asking about the checkdowns and that is why). I have to suspect that he looks at this primary and then takes off around the corner. I am in no way saying Alex Smith is the better qb (I can't stand the guy) but the 49ers would be a much, much better team this year with him. Kaep hasn't just regressed, he has imploded as a passer. I hope he can put it together next year because I don't want the 49ers to have to go back to searching for a qb.

The other thing I have noticed about his running is he seems a little more apprehensive now. I'm surprised by how many times he gets caught by the dline

Sorry, but Smith was putting up these kind of performances WITH Davis and Crabtree on the field (see NFC championship v. Giants)... it's a completely unfair comparison. The fact that Manningham led the team in receiving in his first game off the PUP should tell you enough about this sorry excuse of a receiving corp.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is just that. But what this offenses needs right now is the guy who checks all the way down to his third read. The way things are going this year gore should have 50 catches. You can make that work as a threat. Right now I see a good chance of the 49ers being one and done in the playoffs because its either a run or a deep incomplete pass to a completely covered wr....

Like i said, I'm not saying he's the better qb (he drove me crazy) just that at this point this would be a better team with him.

Checking down was Alex Smith's first read. The oline was atrocious last game, it was caving in on him as soon as he got to his 3rd or 4th step. Receivers dropped a few catchable balls, and many times it seemed like there were only two options for Kaep to throw it. Too many times the TEs stayed in to block and only Boldin + Manningham ran routes.

 

[thehornet]

to say this team would be better with Alex smith right now is the biggest understatement of the year.

 

[thehornet]

defense can't always bail out the crappy qb play. happened on Sunday and it looks bad. that's a game they should have won if kaep was even mediocre.

To say Kaep isn't even mediocre is just foolish - Brady looked like Gabbert slinging to three rookies... After V Davis went down, who was he supposed to throw the ball to?

Not this guy anymore...

From Rotoworld:

Kyle Williams - WR - Free Agent

49ers waived WR Kyle Williams.

Williams "started" five of the 49ers' first nine games at receiver, but caught just 12 passes for 113 yards. He was also dead last in the league in punt-return average. Williams was a fringe NFL talent even before tearing his ACL last Thanksgiving, so it was extremely surprising how much time he got with San Francisco's offense. He's unlikely to draw much interest on waivers. The 49ers are moving forward with Mario Manningham opposite Anquan Boldin.

Tis a happy day for the 49ers!!!! See you later Kyle...

About time...i couldn't believe that guy was seeing playing time.

On another note, I can't remember the last time I felt like the 49ers were this terrible of a passing team. As a guy that drafted Kaep in both my FFLs I am starting to really rethink his potential. There is just something jittery about him, he's one look and done (someone above was asking about the checkdowns and that is why). I have to suspect that he looks at this primary and then takes off around the corner. I am in no way saying Alex Smith is the better qb (I can't stand the guy) but the 49ers would be a much, much better team this year with him. Kaep hasn't just regressed, he has imploded as a passer. I hope he can put it together next year because I don't want the 49ers to have to go back to searching for a qb.

The other thing I have noticed about his running is he seems a little more apprehensive now. I'm surprised by how many times he gets caught by the dline

Sorry, but Smith was putting up these kind of performances WITH Davis and Crabtree on the field (see NFC championship v. Giants)... it's a completely unfair comparison. The fact that Manningham led the team in receiving in his first game off the PUP should tell you enough about this sorry excuse of a receiving corp.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is just that. But what this offenses needs right now is the guy who checks all the way down to his third read. The way things are going this year gore should have 50 catches. You can make that work as a threat. Right now I see a good chance of the 49ers being one and done in the playoffs because its either a run or a deep incomplete pass to a completely covered wr....

Like i said, I'm not saying he's the better qb (he drove me crazy) just that at this point this would be a better team with him.

Checking down was Alex Smith's first read. The oline was atrocious last game, it was caving in on him as soon as he got to his 3rd or 4th step. Receivers dropped a few catchable balls, and many times it seemed like there were only two options for Kaep to throw it. Too many times the TEs stayed in to block and only Boldin + Manningham ran routes.

it's very obvious your are bias here. but smith was playing the best football of his career from 2011 until he was replaced in 2012 after 10 games. much better than this garbage we are witnessing now.

 

[CalBear]

it's very obvious your are bias here. but smith was playing the best football of his career from 2011 until he was replaced in 2012 after 10 games. much better than this garbage we are witnessing now.

If "the best football of his career" produces 17 TDs in 16 games, it's time to move on.

 

[thehornet]

it's very obvious your are bias here. but smith was playing the best football of his career from 2011 until he was replaced in 2012 after 10 games. much better than this garbage we are witnessing now.

If "the best football of his career" produces 17 TDs in 16 games, it's time to move on.

they were 13-3 and he hardly ever turned the ball over. Most coaches would die for that.

 

[CalBear]

it's very obvious your are bias here. but smith was playing the best football of his career from 2011 until he was replaced in 2012 after 10 games. much better than this garbage we are witnessing now.

If "the best football of his career" produces 17 TDs in 16 games, it's time to move on.

they were 13-3 and he hardly ever turned the ball over. Most coaches would die for that.

They were 13-3 in spite of Alex Smith, not because of him.

 

[thecatch]

to say this team would be better with Alex smith right now is the biggest understatement of the year.

No

 

[thecatch]

defense can't always bail out the crappy qb play. happened on Sunday and it looks bad. that's a game they should have won if kaep was even mediocre.

To say Kaep isn't even mediocre is just foolish - Brady looked like Gabbert slinging to three rookies... After V Davis went down, who was he supposed to throw the ball to?

Not this guy anymore...

From Rotoworld:

Kyle Williams - WR - Free Agent

49ers waived WR Kyle Williams.

Williams "started" five of the 49ers' first nine games at receiver, but caught just 12 passes for 113 yards. He was also dead last in the league in punt-return average. Williams was a fringe NFL talent even before tearing his ACL last Thanksgiving, so it was extremely surprising how much time he got with San Francisco's offense. He's unlikely to draw much interest on waivers. The 49ers are moving forward with Mario Manningham opposite Anquan Boldin.

Tis a happy day for the 49ers!!!! See you later Kyle...

About time...i couldn't believe that guy was seeing playing time.

On another note, I can't remember the last time I felt like the 49ers were this terrible of a passing team. As a guy that drafted Kaep in both my FFLs I am starting to really rethink his potential. There is just something jittery about him, he's one look and done (someone above was asking about the checkdowns and that is why). I have to suspect that he looks at this primary and then takes off around the corner. I am in no way saying Alex Smith is the better qb (I can't stand the guy) but the 49ers would be a much, much better team this year with him. Kaep hasn't just regressed, he has imploded as a passer. I hope he can put it together next year because I don't want the 49ers to have to go back to searching for a qb.

The other thing I have noticed about his running is he seems a little more apprehensive now. I'm surprised by how many times he gets caught by the dline

Sorry, but Smith was putting up these kind of performances WITH Davis and Crabtree on the field (see NFC championship v. Giants)... it's a completely unfair comparison. The fact that Manningham led the team in receiving in his first game off the PUP should tell you enough about this sorry excuse of a receiving corp.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is just that. But what this offenses needs right now is the guy who checks all the way down to his third read. The way things are going this year gore should have 50 catches. You can make that work as a threat. Right now I see a good chance of the 49ers being one and done in the playoffs because its either a run or a deep incomplete pass to a completely covered wr....

Like i said, I'm not saying he's the better qb (he drove me crazy) just that at this point this would be a better team with him.

Checking down was Alex Smith's first read. The oline was atrocious last game, it was caving in on him as soon as he got to his 3rd or 4th step. Receivers dropped a few catchable balls, and many times it seemed like there were only two options for Kaep to throw it. Too many times the TEs stayed in to block and only Boldin + Manningham ran routes.

This too.

 

[thehornet]

it's very obvious your are bias here. but smith was playing the best football of his career from 2011 until he was replaced in 2012 after 10 games. much better than this garbage we are witnessing now.

If "the best football of his career" produces 17 TDs in 16 games, it's time to move on.

they were 13-3 and he hardly ever turned the ball over. Most coaches would die for that.

They were 13-3 in spite of Alex Smith, not because of him.

prove it.

 

[Shrugs]

BTW, how nice would it be if we still at least had Ted Ginn right now? I think Baalke severely underestimated the impact of losing both him and Delanie Walker.

Agreed.

 

[CalBear]

it's very obvious your are bias here. but smith was playing the best football of his career from 2011 until he was replaced in 2012 after 10 games. much better than this garbage we are witnessing now.

If "the best football of his career" produces 17 TDs in 16 games, it's time to move on.

they were 13-3 and he hardly ever turned the ball over. Most coaches would die for that.

They were 13-3 in spite of Alex Smith, not because of him.

prove it.

League rank, offense: 26

League rank, passing yardage: 29

League rank, passing TDs: 24

League rank, net yards/passing attempt: 20

Number of games won with less than 200 passing yards: 6

Number of games won with less than 150 passing yards: 3

 

[drummer]

For those who still are curious about Webzone flying rats eating scraps from the ground:

I give you hornet.

 

[drummer]

it's very obvious your are bias here. but smith was playing the best football of his career from 2011 until he was replaced in 2012 after 10 games. much better than this garbage we are witnessing now.

If "the best football of his career" produces 17 TDs in 16 games, it's time to move on.

they were 13-3 and he hardly ever turned the ball over. Most coaches would die for that.

They were 13-3 in spite of Alex Smith, not because of him.

hornet forgot Smith's FA campaign post 2011 season. Most coaches who needed a QB then didn't want him, and the coach who took him back, benched him.

But hey, KC has won 5 of 9 games without a TD pass! How many QB's in their 9th season can claim that?

 

[Wingnut]

at Alex Smith still being talked about in here.

 

[drummer]

defense can't always bail out the crappy qb play. happened on Sunday and it looks bad. that's a game they should have won if kaep was even mediocre.

To say Kaep isn't even mediocre is just foolish - Brady looked like Gabbert slinging to three rookies... After V Davis went down, who was he supposed to throw the ball to?

Not this guy anymore...

From Rotoworld:

Kyle Williams - WR - Free Agent

49ers waived WR Kyle Williams.

Williams "started" five of the 49ers' first nine games at receiver, but caught just 12 passes for 113 yards. He was also dead last in the league in punt-return average. Williams was a fringe NFL talent even before tearing his ACL last Thanksgiving, so it was extremely surprising how much time he got with San Francisco's offense. He's unlikely to draw much interest on waivers. The 49ers are moving forward with Mario Manningham opposite Anquan Boldin.

Tis a happy day for the 49ers!!!! See you later Kyle...

About time...i couldn't believe that guy was seeing playing time.

On another note, I can't remember the last time I felt like the 49ers were this terrible of a passing team. As a guy that drafted Kaep in both my FFLs I am starting to really rethink his potential. There is just something jittery about him, he's one look and done (someone above was asking about the checkdowns and that is why). I have to suspect that he looks at this primary and then takes off around the corner. I am in no way saying Alex Smith is the better qb (I can't stand the guy) but the 49ers would be a much, much better team this year with him. Kaep hasn't just regressed, he has imploded as a passer. I hope he can put it together next year because I don't want the 49ers to have to go back to searching for a qb.

The other thing I have noticed about his running is he seems a little more apprehensive now. I'm surprised by how many times he gets caught by the dline

Sorry, but Smith was putting up these kind of performances WITH Davis and Crabtree on the field (see NFC championship v. Giants)... it's a completely unfair comparison. The fact that Manningham led the team in receiving in his first game off the PUP should tell you enough about this sorry excuse of a receiving corp.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is just that. But what this offenses needs right now is the guy who checks all the way down to his third read. The way things are going this year gore should have 50 catches. You can make that work as a threat. Right now I see a good chance of the 49ers being one and done in the playoffs because its either a run or a deep incomplete pass to a completely covered wr....

Like i said, I'm not saying he's the better qb (he drove me crazy) just that at this point this would be a better team with him.

They would have a worse season record, while also scoring less if Smith was QB. They don't have the luxury of KC's sched.

 

[drummer]

at Alex Smith still being talked about in here.

If you're gonna wish for a QB other than Kaep, at least pick a good one like Luck.

Now do you know why I make those points about the WZ?

ETA: I was watching Eric Davis on the NFL channel, and he was talking about Smith in KC vs. Denver. Basically, he said if Alex Smith "kept within himself and let Lamar Charles and the defense carry the team, they could win".

If Smith stayed more within himself, his YPA would be at 3.4. It was 4.1 the last game.

 

[drummer]

BTW, how nice would it be if we still at least had Ted Ginn right now? I think Baalke severely underestimated the impact of losing both him and Delanie Walker.

Agreed.

I think the loss of Walker hurts them more. The funny thing is, the 49ers have spent more on the offensive line and Gore then they really have in QB's and WR's. Outside of TE Davis, Gore (whose contract looks more inflated than it's actual value), and the offensive line, they have gone cheap over the past three years on the other parts of the offense.

 

[drummer]

BTW, just to help those who want to put Roman's head on a stick due to the passing game:

@Pel: Roman doesn't call pass plays, so take that into consideration. the offensive line gave up a lot of pressures, and Kap was out of the pocket at the first sign of trouble

by Kevin Lynch 10:11 AM

 

[The Kerminator]

What's the local's guess on when we can expect Crabtree back?

 

[thehornet]

it's very obvious your are bias here. but smith was playing the best football of his career from 2011 until he was replaced in 2012 after 10 games. much better than this garbage we are witnessing now.

If "the best football of his career" produces 17 TDs in 16 games, it's time to move on.

they were 13-3 and he hardly ever turned the ball over. Most coaches would die for that.

They were 13-3 in spite of Alex Smith, not because of him.

prove it.

League rank, offense: 26

League rank, passing yardage: 29

League rank, passing TDs: 24

League rank, net yards/passing attempt: 20

Number of games won with less than 200 passing yards: 6

Number of games won with less than 150 passing yards: 3

this means nothing. he managed the offense the way it needed to be managed. stats don't mean anything when you lose.

 

[drummer]

it's very obvious your are bias here. but smith was playing the best football of his career from 2011 until he was replaced in 2012 after 10 games. much better than this garbage we are witnessing now.

If "the best football of his career" produces 17 TDs in 16 games, it's time to move on.

they were 13-3 and he hardly ever turned the ball over. Most coaches would die for that.

They were 13-3 in spite of Alex Smith, not because of him.

prove it.

League rank, offense: 26

League rank, passing yardage: 29

League rank, passing TDs: 24

League rank, net yards/passing attempt: 20

Number of games won with less than 200 passing yards: 6

Number of games won with less than 150 passing yards: 3

this means nothing. he managed the offense the way it needed to be managed. stats don't mean anything when you lose.

Take another bong hit hornet.

 

[drummer]

What's the local's guess on when we can expect Crabtree back?

@tlove708: Working to get back. Be shocked if he plays this week. I am hearing late November, early December

by Kevin Lynch 10:02 AM

From local beat writer Lynch in today's chat @ SFGate:

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/11/12/weekly-49ers-qa/

 

[Wingnut]

In other WR news, Q Patton returned to practice yesterday for the first time since week 4 injury...

And Kyle Williams was claimed off waivers by Kansas City

 

[fantasycurse42]

In other WR news, Q Patton returned to practice yesterday for the first time since week 4 injury...

And Kyle Williams was claimed off waivers by Kansas City

Good pick up KC - Nothing would make me happier than Kyle fumbling a punt return in a KC playoff game... I'm actually shocked he didn't clear waivers.

 

[Wingnut]

I hate to say it but I think SF drops their 2nd in a row this week....there's no stopping Brees at home right now...

 

[chinawildman]

I hate to say it but I think SF drops their 2nd in a row this week....there's no stopping Brees at home right now...

I'm feeling the same, at least if things continue as they have been. The only chance is if Kap can somehow find some running room or VD and Manningham both show up for this one. It wasn't like last year's team didn't have their share of struggles, they dropped games to the Rams, Vikes and Cards before making a superbowl run.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I hate to say it but I think SF drops their 2nd in a row this week....there's no stopping Brees at home right now...

I'm feeling the same, at least if things continue as they have been. The only chance is if Kap can somehow find some running room or VD and Manningham both show up for this one. It wasn't like last year's team didn't have their share of struggles, they dropped games to the Rams, Vikes and Cards before making a superbowl run.

People hadn't figured out that Kaep can't pass at that point in time. Book is out on him now.

Man Press the WR's, take away Kaep's first read and he done.

 

[Bob Magaw]

from ESPN...

kaepernick with vernon davis in lineup (2013)..

100.2 QB rating, 9 passing TDs, 61.1% completion percentage and 3/162 INT/pass attempts ratio

without davis (2013)

35.1 QB rating, 0 passing TDs, 43.1% completion percentage and 3/58 INT/pass attempts ratio

can't quite put my finger on it, but I think he doesn't play as well without davis...

 

[fantasycurse42]

from ESPN...

kaepernick with vernon davis in lineup...

100.2 QB rating, 9 TDs, 61.1% completion percentage and 3/162 INT/pass attempts ratio

without davis...

35.1 QB rating, 0 TDs, 43.1% completion percentage and 3/58 INT/pass attempts ratio

can't quite put my finger on it, but I think he doesn't play as well without davis...

Vance McDonald dropped what would've been a VD TD this weekend. Sure Kaep had been struggling and certainly some of it falls on him, but when you take away all of a QBs weapons, even a 3x Super Bowl champ will play poorly.

 

[chinawildman]

I hate to say it but I think SF drops their 2nd in a row this week....there's no stopping Brees at home right now...

I'm feeling the same, at least if things continue as they have been. The only chance is if Kap can somehow find some running room or VD and Manningham both show up for this one. It wasn't like last year's team didn't have their share of struggles, they dropped games to the Rams, Vikes and Cards before making a superbowl run.

People hadn't figured out that Kaep can't pass at that point in time. Book is out on him now.

Man Press the WR's, take away Kaep's first read and he done.

Same goes for Brady then I guess...

 

[Bob Magaw]

from ESPN...

kaepernick with vernon davis in lineup...

100.2 QB rating, 9 TDs, 61.1% completion percentage and 3/162 INT/pass attempts ratio

without davis...

35.1 QB rating, 0 TDs, 43.1% completion percentage and 3/58 INT/pass attempts ratio

can't quite put my finger on it, but I think he doesn't play as well without davis...

Vance McDonald dropped what would've been a VD TD this weekend. Sure Kaep had been struggling and certainly some of it falls on him, but when you take away all of a QBs weapons, even a 3x Super Bowl champ will play poorly.

worth noting, since davis missed week three with a hamstring, and i think had a concussion last year, too (davis has seven of kaepernick's nine passing TDs this year).brady has struggled at times this year, not a massive surprise without welker, AH and gronk until recently.

some are of the opinion that good QBs elevate their receiving weapons, and not the other way around.

OTOH, matt ryan has been held up as bullet proof and immune to supporting cast/surrounding talent issues, and that looked to be the case after having a good first game when both roddy white and than julio jones (for the season) went down, but he has struggled and looked ordinary with just 1 TD three weeks in a row, and the falcons 2013 season circling slowly down the drain...

the 49ers have been winning, but the formula didn't work as well against SEA and IND... maybe they do need to add receiving weapons, even if crabtree comes all the way back, with SEA in the division... alshon jeffery would look pretty good in a 49ers uni, instead of SF flipping meteoric 1st round bust jenkins for more methodical 1st round bust baldwin.

from a fantasy perspective, kaepernick has had two 3 TD games (week one and a few weeks ago when he had one pass and two runs)... but otherwise, too many of his remaining seven have been 0-1 TD games to be anything but a disappointment as a passer (especially when he hasn't exactly been lighting it up yardage-wise).... except for a couple games, his vaunted legs haven't provided much scoring compensation for the lack of passing numbers, either... he seems to have regressed since last season, even accounting for crabtree's absence... definitely bigger issues than drops.

* i'm still optimistic about his future, but he isn't looking as fast tracked for stardom as i would have thought if he had continued on in 2013 or even improved from where his second half of 2012 left off... he has only been a starter for about the equivalent of one season... yet in 2014, he will be in his fourth year of NFL service. maybe he elevates his play and that of his teammates in 2014... if not, other QBs have lost some good will if not further along by year four.

a somewhat alarming and distressing thought is that, though the OL may have had an off week, they might have the best OL in the league (certainly among the best)... he is doing less with more (compared to some other QBs), from an OL perspective.

 

[drummer]

Road loss against NO has these rushing numbers:

Gore - 13 ATT for 48 YDS

Kaep - 3 ATT for 25 YDS

James - 2 ATT for 7 YDS

Minus Yardage Hunter - 4 ATT for 1 YDS

 

[Spin]

Road loss against NO has these rushing numbers:

Gore - 13 ATT for 48 YDS

Kaep - 3 ATT for 25 YDS

James - 2 ATT for 7 YDS

Minus Yardage Hunter - 4 ATT for 1 YDS

Such a frustrating loss. Felt like NO was trying to hand the game over. Hate blaming the refs, but I still don't get that hit against Brees. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/11/17/5115792/drew-brees-hit-gif-saints-49ers

And if Gore catches that pass on 2nd down in the fourth quarter instead of dropping it, there was one defender to beat with a wr out in front to block. Even if he doesn't score there, it's likely a 40+ yard gain.

Still, get the ball back with 2 minutes to go. Drive down and win the game. Instead it goes Sack, incomplete (eerily close to a intentional grounding safety) then Kaep runs out of bounds saving them more clock. Unfortunate on the punt penalty, but he has to be more aware. I get Osgood was looking up at the ball when Sproles signaled for the fair catch, and thus he missed it, but the fact Sproles didn't try to advance it at all should have given him a hint.

Losing Iupati is going to hurt, havn't seen an update on his injury yet, but he left on crutches.

Tied with Arizona now. Blah. Luckily our schedule gets much easier from this point on.

10 - 6 should be easily achievable. 11 - 5 seems more likely, which should be good for a wild card spot.