There wasn't a pundit this year or last that didn't think the 49ers had by far the most talented team
I've been consistent through out this thread
They win despite him
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*** San Francisco 49ers *** Its 2020 all over again, time to shut it down and look forward to a long, restful offseason (7 Viewers)
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There wasn't a pundit this year or last that didn't think the 49ers had by far the most talented team
I've been consistent through out this thread
They win despite him
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I’d roll the dice on Bill Belichick tbh. He’d def take the job, defensive minded, and the winningest coach ever.
Prob wouldn’t mesh with the trust fund baby though.
Prob wouldn’t mesh with the trust fund baby though.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
So you think the 49ers issues are coaching?
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Told you guys:
+525 19.5
+525 19.5
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
This team absolutely should’ve won at least 1 SB in the last 5 years, that lands squarely on 1 person.
But look at the last drive. Back to back 12 men on the field calls. Who do you blame for that? Special Teams has been a nightmare. Team is going to finish the year in collapse mode.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Actually prob not, they’ll go like 8-9 or 9-8, just decent enough so his detractors are considered the assholes. It’ll take 1 more season like this to rid ourselves of him. You want him?
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I think Kyle Shanahan is one of the most overrated coaches in the league, but the teams record this season isn't a coaching issue, it's a roster issue.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Agree wholeheartedly with the first point, not much on the 2nd. I can knock certain parts of this roster, but that’s not the main issue this season and don’t really care to debate it.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
That +525 -19.5 was the bet of the day. I don’t bet against the Niners, but I have a few friends that hit it pretty nicely. Prob a few good meals coming my way.
I needed to watch this game in its entirety to confirm their season is over. Can now confirm, their season is over.
Cue the Shanny defenders…
I needed to watch this game in its entirety to confirm their season is over. Can now confirm, their season is over.
Cue the Shanny defenders…
Wingnut
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
Come back in 3 weeks and see where we're at.
I'll bet you Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll you're still only a game out
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes. Jets way wants him.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Yes please, perfect fit.
First in the division is an invitation to getting whooped in the wild card, since this team isn’t beating anyone else in the playoffs. Let the rebuild begin
Sticking with my lines from 3 months ago they should look at shipping some of the major starts out Bosa, Williams, CMC, Aiyuk etc...
The rebuild is on
On that note I keep getting notes saying the 49ers are about to sign Daniel Jones....why the hell would they do that? It's like their trade for the DT...absolutely stupid
The rebuild is on
On that note I keep getting notes saying the 49ers are about to sign Daniel Jones....why the hell would they do that? It's like their trade for the DT...absolutely stupid
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Wouldn't Jones be an upgrade to Allen?
Wingnut
Footballguy
Pretty good article on the state of the season. Kawakami shares my view on how missing the playoffs migjt not be the worst thing for this team, and how it might be time to start thinking about easing workloads of some of the aging stars and giving the young guys playing time to assess what we have as we shift to looking toward next season.
He also mentions that while Shanahan is safe no matter how the rest of the season shakes out, if he doesnt turn it around next season, he won't be.
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He also mentions that while Shanahan is safe no matter how the rest of the season shakes out, if he doesnt turn it around next season, he won't be.
The 49ers’ season is all but lost. Here’s how they can build a bridge to 2025:
The 49ers' season is all but lost. Here's how they can build a bridge to 2025
Physically, emotionally, and existentially, the 49ers seem beat. Maybe they can turn next season into the opposite of a Super Bowl hangover.
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These same clowns that hate/criticize Shanahan are the same guys that still idolize Harbaugh and didn't hold him to the same "winning is the only thing" standard. Let's review:
2011 NFC Championship game. Lose in OT. 0-13 on 3rd down. Kyle Williams muffed a punt earlier in the game, but who is still returning punts in OT? Kyle Williams, who fumbles the game away. Giants talk afterward how they "knew" they could strip the ball from him. Why did Harbaugh allow him to still be in the game?
2012 Super Bowl. Down big at half but make a huge comeback and have a chance to win. 1st and goal. Run up the middle with friggin LaMichael James. Then 3 straight fades thrown by a QB not known for his touch and accuracy. Game over. What did Harbaugh allow his OC to call 3 straight fades when you have a QB who was a monster running the ball and had Frank Gore against a defense missing their best run stopper?
2013 NFC Championship game. In the red zone with a chance to win the game at the late. Throw another fade against probably the best CB in the game that year with that same inaccurate QB. Int and game over. Why did Harbaugh allow his OC to call a fade pattern against the best CB in football?
Harbaugh is an excellent coach and was sorry to see him go, but he got virtually ZERO blame for those losses. Shanahan on the other hand gets blamed for every loss, which is fine, but he receives virtually zero credit for big games they have won. Led them to big comeback wins against the Packers and Lions last year in the playoffs, but all you heard from this part of the base is that it was his fault that they were behind.
Kyle is an excellent coach. He's not going anywhere unless he wants to leave.
I think incredibly highly of both Harbaugh and Shanahan. There’s no perfect coach. Reid and Belichick were only infallible with a GOAT contending QB. The latter usually had a dominant defense and Reid has the benefit of Chris jones playing like prime JJ Watt in every playoff game. The Niners can reload next year with some savvy picks and hopefully being out of contention relieves some of the massive pressure that has weighed on this core for the last five years.
Totally agree. Harbaugh is a smart guy too as far as picking his situations. He took over a 49er team that had a very good roster, but really bad coaching. He came in and instilled a winning culture and was able to make a quick turnaround. Then he took over the
Chargers with a stud QB in place and some other very good pieces and a high draft pick and has them going the right direction.
Kyle took over a total shiot show and had them in the Super Bowl in his 3rd season with a very average QB (some would say below average). They probably win that game if Jimmy doesn't go Jimmy in the 4th quarter. I think his QBR was 2.3 in the 4th. Open receivers all over the place for anyone who took the time to rewatch the 4th quarter of that game. Jimmy just didn't make the throws.
Take away the first two seasons where no reasonable person expected them to compete (the hype going into 2018 was just that, hype with no substance), Kyle has 5 full seasons. Only 3 coaches have won Super Bowls in that time. Fat Andy with 3, Ariens and McVay. I guess every other coach should be fired because they aren't winners. FIRE THEM ALL!
Wingnut
Footballguy
If this guy is on the roster next season, the whole front office needs to be fired. Everything starts up front, and he's a HUGE liability. Just look at clips on Twitter of him looking lost and missing assignments.
#49ers Jake Brendel is rated as the 38th Center in the entire NFL in pass protection.
That’s literally LAST of all eligible centers who snapped a ball this year. There’s backups out there ranking better than the Niners starting C.
Why is he still starting? #FTTB
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#49ers Jake Brendel is rated as the 38th Center in the entire NFL in pass protection.
That’s literally LAST of all eligible centers who snapped a ball this year. There’s backups out there ranking better than the Niners starting C.
Why is he still starting? #FTTB
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Taking Banks over Creed Humphrey was a killer. Could have locked up that position for a decade.If this guy is on the roster next season, the whole front office needs to be fired. Everything starts up front, and he's a HUGE liability. Just look at clips on Twitter of him looking lost and missing assignments.
#49ers Jake Brendel is rated as the 38th Center in the entire NFL in pass protection.
That’s literally LAST of all eligible centers who snapped a ball this year. There’s backups out there ranking better than the Niners starting C.
Why is he still starting? #FTTB
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Fred Warner PFF grades in 2024. He was playing like a DPOY until he suffered an ankle injury in Week 4 against New England and has fell off a cliff since.
vs NYJ: 92.6
at MIN: 95.8
at LAR: 71.5
vs NE: 96.6 (injured ankle)
vs AZ: 54.0
at SEA: 61.4
vs KC: 65.0
vs DAL: 72.8
at TB: 69.7
vs SEA: 67.3
at GB: 44.7
vs NYJ: 92.6
at MIN: 95.8
at LAR: 71.5
vs NE: 96.6 (injured ankle)
vs AZ: 54.0
at SEA: 61.4
vs KC: 65.0
vs DAL: 72.8
at TB: 69.7
vs SEA: 67.3
at GB: 44.7
Wingnut
Footballguy
Pearsall 2 games in a row without a catch, and he wasn't even targeted vs Green Bay.
Kyle HAS GOT to figure a way to get his 1st round rookie WR involved. Stafford hits Puca and Kupp all the time with quick slants and screens, yet Ricky can't get a single target? Pretty pathetic.
Kyle HAS GOT to figure a way to get his 1st round rookie WR involved. Stafford hits Puca and Kupp all the time with quick slants and screens, yet Ricky can't get a single target? Pretty pathetic.
Spin
Footballguy
This struck me as well. I'd love to get a hold of the all-22, but I don't remember seeing Pearsall being very open.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Adam Schefter on the 49ers:
"The whole year has felt off with them, and it wasn't like it just happened late, but there have been a series of incidents that they've had to overcome throughout where it just felt like it was never gonna be their year."
It started right after the Super Bowl when Aiyuk started his BS, then it snowballed throughout camp with CMC hurt, Williams and Aiyuk holding out, Pearsall being shot...the whole vibe was off from day 1.
Crazy how this season mirrors 2020, which was the season after they went to their first SB under Kyle. Jimmy, Kittle, Deebo and half the roster was in IR and finished 6-10. They bounced back the next season, and the same thing can happen IMO.
Every team has bad seasons. This team isn't done yet. They just need to be smarter about their priorities in the offseason.
"The whole year has felt off with them, and it wasn't like it just happened late, but there have been a series of incidents that they've had to overcome throughout where it just felt like it was never gonna be their year."
It started right after the Super Bowl when Aiyuk started his BS, then it snowballed throughout camp with CMC hurt, Williams and Aiyuk holding out, Pearsall being shot...the whole vibe was off from day 1.
Crazy how this season mirrors 2020, which was the season after they went to their first SB under Kyle. Jimmy, Kittle, Deebo and half the roster was in IR and finished 6-10. They bounced back the next season, and the same thing can happen IMO.
Every team has bad seasons. This team isn't done yet. They just need to be smarter about their priorities in the offseason.
Wingnut
Footballguy
It's not hard to stack receivers, create a little pick/rub on the release and hit one in stride on the quick slant like the Rams do ALL THE TIME.
Shanahan used to scheme guys open all the time, and it seems he forgot how.
Both lines have 1 star and 3 to 4 journeyman veterans. There was no above-average talent on that D-line yesterday. For a team that is anchored in the trenches that just isn't going to work - they need to throw all their draft capital at those two problems.
Spin
Footballguy
I completely agree. The quick hitters are just non existent. Is it a byproduct of NFL teams switching to heavy man-to-man against us? Those quick windows against the Zone just are not there?
Looking at Time to Throw (per ESPN)
2024 - 3.01
2023 - 2.88
2022 - 2.84
2021 - (Jimmy) - 2.67
2020 - (Mullens) - 2.63
2020 - (Jimmy) - 2.57
It's definitely trending towards QB holding the ball longer and having plays develop a bit more. It also doesn't help that teams are blitzing us, a lot. Purdy has been blitzed the 7th most time at 101 times in 10 games, 7th according to https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php. Everyone ahead of him has played 11 or 12 games. (Stroud has been blitzed the most at 113 times in 12 games).
Longer plays developing + being blitzed at a high rate doesn't seem to bode well for success.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Hey we can all agree the trenches need to be a priority.
As for the defense, it seems to me it's mostly scheme and game planning. We have some good players (Warner, Bosa, Lenior), some up and coming guys (Mustapha, Green, Anderson), but it seems like theyre just not prepared and they don't make the right adjustments.
Warners play has suffered since his ankle injury, but over the past few weeks a few defensive players have alluded to the fact that they werent ready for looks they were getting.
From yesterday:
Maybe more alarming than their poor tackling technique was the defense's lack of preperation.
“They presented different run looks than we had prepared for in the first half,” Warner said. “We adjusted as the game went on, which was helpful, but we got to be better from the jump.”
Sorenson and Staley suck.
As for the defense, it seems to me it's mostly scheme and game planning. We have some good players (Warner, Bosa, Lenior), some up and coming guys (Mustapha, Green, Anderson), but it seems like theyre just not prepared and they don't make the right adjustments.
Warners play has suffered since his ankle injury, but over the past few weeks a few defensive players have alluded to the fact that they werent ready for looks they were getting.
From yesterday:
Maybe more alarming than their poor tackling technique was the defense's lack of preperation.
“They presented different run looks than we had prepared for in the first half,” Warner said. “We adjusted as the game went on, which was helpful, but we got to be better from the jump.”
Sorenson and Staley suck.
Spin
Footballguy
I 1000% agree, we're still feeling the effects of that Lance trade, even if we still ended up with our stud-QB. Crazy to think Dline would be an issue considering all the 1st round draft capital we spent in consecutive drafts. I miss Buckner.
Spin
Footballguy
I read reports that Saleh and Shanny didn't always see eye-to-eye, and all signs point to Saleh going to GB with his relationship with LaFleur, but if I was Lynch, I would offer Saleh whatever it took to give him Staley's spot, the defense is his however he wants to manage it.
Wingnut
Footballguy
We definitely need someone who has had success as a DC. No more 1st timers.
I dont see Saleh coming back. I'd love to have Vrabel but he's more of a HC candidate than coordinator.
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Spin
Footballguy
As a 49ers fan living in Tennessee, I honestly don't want any part of Vrabel, plus the one year he was the DC in Houston, they were the worst defense in the league.
Wingnut
Footballguy
I wonder what happens to Jeff Ulbrich at the end of the year? He took over a Jets defense that ranked near last and turned them into a top 10 unit in one season. Maybe he'd want to come home.
Wingnut
Footballguy
On Ulbrich: I forgot Kyle tried to lure him from NY before he hired Sorenson. Ulbrich apparently was thrilled to be considered.
When the 49ers were suddenly in need of a new defensive coordinator (after firing Steve Wilks), Kyle Shanahan made a call to the Jets with the hopes that he might be able to hire Ulbrich, according to the San Francisco Chronicle (Ulbrich was one of several candidates the 49ers looked at or reached out to before promoting Nick Sorensen). Saleh politely declined to let his DC go.
Hiring Ulrbich definitely would have made some sense for the 49ers. Not only is he widely regarded as a good defensive coach, but he also has some serious ties to the organization: Ulbrich grew up in California as a 49ers fan AND he spent his entire 10-year NFL playing career in San Francisco.
Shanahan also has some personal ties to Ulbrich: The two men were on the same coaching staff in Atlanta for two seasons (2015-16).
Although Ulbrich didn't end up with the 49ers he was thrilled that they even considered him.
"Absolutely honored," Ulbrich told the Chronicle. "I have an unbelievable, tremendous respect for Kyle, and that organization and the team they've built and the coaching staff that they have."
When the 49ers were suddenly in need of a new defensive coordinator (after firing Steve Wilks), Kyle Shanahan made a call to the Jets with the hopes that he might be able to hire Ulbrich, according to the San Francisco Chronicle (Ulbrich was one of several candidates the 49ers looked at or reached out to before promoting Nick Sorensen). Saleh politely declined to let his DC go.
Hiring Ulrbich definitely would have made some sense for the 49ers. Not only is he widely regarded as a good defensive coach, but he also has some serious ties to the organization: Ulbrich grew up in California as a 49ers fan AND he spent his entire 10-year NFL playing career in San Francisco.
Shanahan also has some personal ties to Ulbrich: The two men were on the same coaching staff in Atlanta for two seasons (2015-16).
Although Ulbrich didn't end up with the 49ers he was thrilled that they even considered him.
"Absolutely honored," Ulbrich told the Chronicle. "I have an unbelievable, tremendous respect for Kyle, and that organization and the team they've built and the coaching staff that they have."
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Per Shanahan today:
QB Brock Purdy did some light throwing today without issue
LB Dre Greenlaw’s practice window opens up this week and should return to practice on Wednesday
The 49ers are waiting on the results from CB Deommodore Lenoir’s MRI he had on his knee
Aaron Banks is in the concussion protocol and Dominick Puni needs a shoulder MRI
Jon Feliciano season is officially over as he will not be activated from IR
WR Jacob Cowing is still in the concussion protocol
DT Kevin Givens (groin) has a chance to return to practice this week
DE Nick Bosa (oblique) and OT Trent Williams (ankle) are also still going to be monitored day to day this week. kyle Shanahan hopes it goes better for both than it did last week.
Renardo Green and DFF are day to day
QB Brock Purdy did some light throwing today without issue
LB Dre Greenlaw’s practice window opens up this week and should return to practice on Wednesday
The 49ers are waiting on the results from CB Deommodore Lenoir’s MRI he had on his knee
Aaron Banks is in the concussion protocol and Dominick Puni needs a shoulder MRI
Jon Feliciano season is officially over as he will not be activated from IR
WR Jacob Cowing is still in the concussion protocol
DT Kevin Givens (groin) has a chance to return to practice this week
DE Nick Bosa (oblique) and OT Trent Williams (ankle) are also still going to be monitored day to day this week. kyle Shanahan hopes it goes better for both than it did last week.
Renardo Green and DFF are day to day
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
A quick look at a play that shows why the 49ers running game doesn't look like 49ers football.
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I've seen several plays like this the past few weeks. The O line is just not getting it done. Even Trent Williams isn't playing very well.
Honestly watching that, I put that more on CMC. He didn't cut hard enough (maybe the achilles/calf won't allow him to) and explode through the lane. He rounded his cut, it was lazy.
EDIT: Eagles ran a similar play last night. Watch how Barkley makes a sharp cut and explodes. He blew past the defenders that shed blocks.
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