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Wingnut
Footballguy
Cmon.
Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, Juice, T Williams, Warner, Bosa....Mostert when healthy, Mitchell and Greenlaw are late round gems...
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There are three above average players on defense. Trent Williams is amazing but that only means so much when at least 40% of the line is awful. Mitchell is a nice starter but isn’t an instant star or anything. Kittle is probably done as a consistent superstar. Those three and Deebo are certainly not enough to make for a good offense with a mediocre QB under center.
This team was guilty of VASTLY overrating its talent level in the offseason, and made some awful strategic decisions based on that erroneous assumption that will set the franchise back for a few years. At least unless Lance proves to be a budding superstar.
The General
Footballguy
That was not good.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
There’s def some talent, but it’s irrelevant, the leadership is clearly awful. Furthermore, we don’t have any first round picks in the near future. We’re pretty ####ed and heading further into the abyss.
Yea I just think most of those guys listed are alright to good. I think they do alright on the team because there is no one else.
drummer
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
I'm so hopeful around Lance but i think he was a mistake too. Everyone got so enamored with mahones and the possibility of a qb that just runs around in the backfield for 8 seconds and then throws it 60 yards downfield. But the most successful teams have smart pocket passers. That won't be lance
drummer
Footballguy
Lance will be the new Gio Carmazzi, because the 49ers passed on Mac Jones for Lance, but worse since they traded the farm for Lance, while Gio wound up owning a goat farm up in Marin County.
HAVE A HAPPY JED SEASON
drummer
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
It means that since 2003 the 49ers have only 4 winning seasons since the Yorks bought the franchise. Jed is the son of the owners who is the President of the organization. He canned Harbaugh for an 8-8 season for a line coach.
Jed isn't Mark Davis or Stephen Jones. He's Eddie's nephew who wants to be Eddie but is Eddie with a Salary Cap and sleazy local politics when it comes to the stadium. He is more like Eddie before Davis suggested Bill Walsh to Eddie. Just a kid whose parents handed him a football team as a new toy.
drummer
Footballguy
https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Dan-Snyder-kirk-cousins-trade-kyle-shanahan-16623079.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-CP-Spotlight
According to ex-Washington Football Team coach Jay Gruden (brother of the disgraced Jon Gruden), the San Francisco 49ers were dangerously close to a franchise-altering trade that would have potentially prevented them from moving up to No. 3 in the 2021 NFL Draft.
On "The Kevin Sheehan Show," Gruden spoke openly about the bad blood between 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan and Washington Football Team's owner, Dan Snyder, as well as its former general manager, Bruce Allen. Shanahan was on his father Mike Shanahan's coaching staff in Washington from 2010 to 2013 before being summarily fired (along with his dad and others).
By 2017, Kyle Shanahan was the head coach of the Niners, and Kirk Cousins was in the final year of his contract with Washington. It was oft-rumored that Shanahan wanted to acquire Cousins, but San Francisco ended up opting for a Jimmy Garoppolo trade instead (which only cost them a second-round pick).
The alleged price for Cousins was much, much higher, Gruden says: two first-round picks and possibly two second-round picks.
Gruden's insinuation is that San Francisco would've been comfortable sending away all those draft picks but ran into a brick wall of pettiness from Snyder and Allen.
"Obviously, dealing with the Shanahans was something that they did not want to do," Gruden said. "I don’t think that they could stomach having Kirk Cousins be successful for Kyle Shanahan."
According to ex-Washington Football Team coach Jay Gruden (brother of the disgraced Jon Gruden), the San Francisco 49ers were dangerously close to a franchise-altering trade that would have potentially prevented them from moving up to No. 3 in the 2021 NFL Draft.
On "The Kevin Sheehan Show," Gruden spoke openly about the bad blood between 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan and Washington Football Team's owner, Dan Snyder, as well as its former general manager, Bruce Allen. Shanahan was on his father Mike Shanahan's coaching staff in Washington from 2010 to 2013 before being summarily fired (along with his dad and others).
By 2017, Kyle Shanahan was the head coach of the Niners, and Kirk Cousins was in the final year of his contract with Washington. It was oft-rumored that Shanahan wanted to acquire Cousins, but San Francisco ended up opting for a Jimmy Garoppolo trade instead (which only cost them a second-round pick).
The alleged price for Cousins was much, much higher, Gruden says: two first-round picks and possibly two second-round picks.
Gruden's insinuation is that San Francisco would've been comfortable sending away all those draft picks but ran into a brick wall of pettiness from Snyder and Allen.
"Obviously, dealing with the Shanahans was something that they did not want to do," Gruden said. "I don’t think that they could stomach having Kirk Cousins be successful for Kyle Shanahan."
drummer
Footballguy
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
Yeah I won 100 bucks taking the 49ers and the points. Games like this happen, the Cowboys soiled the bed a week ago, Tampa lost to WFT yesterday. 49ers played to their strengths, hit the keys to the game - win the turnover battle, time of possession, and 3rd down (keys they lost over the past few games they have lost) - and didn't have to put the game into Garoppolo's hands. It really doesn't change the 49er landscape, Garoppolo is who he is, he doesn't have the arm strength, down field accuracy, wheels or pocket presence to be anything above "game manager" (his stat line was like 15-19 187 yards 2tds 0ints), at least he didn't throw his usual "hospital balls" (well there were a few that were close) that gets players like Kittle on the IR last night. The 49ers played football straight outta the 70's, run the ball, play defense, which they could do by capitalizing on the Rams mistakes early. It also saved Shanahan from calling his usual boneheaded plays.
There are still a lot more questions than answers with that franchise that one game doesn't solve or point forward. I think this season was oversold as far as expectations due to 2019, I mean the Eagles won a Super Bowl recently and they are now in full rebuild, Jacksonville went to the AFCC a few years ago and they are still Jacksonville. The duo of Shanahan and Lynch are still underwater as far as overall W-L, and they are 1-3 in the division so far. Mullins tossed 5 tds against the Raiders in a prime time game a few years ago. I should had bet more on the game last night.
Edit: a friend of mine pointed out that this game saved Garoppolo's job for at least another week, and cooled the hot seats of both Shanahan and Lynch. But just a little.
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I’m certainly open to the possibility they blew yet another pick, but I don’t know how you could say that with any degree of confidence at this point.
Please don’t quote him, it circumvents our ignore filters.
Well to be fair I didn't say he was a waste of pick, I said I was hopeful that he wasn't but my gut feels like he isn't going to worth the draft capital on him. He may turn out to be the next Mahones and if that's the case then maybe (I'm still not sure about that trade) he might be worth it.
I just think they got so enamored with a Mahones type passer that they way overbid on Lance. You have to be a pocket passer in this league. It's what makes you successful.
I correctly predicted this in the game thread before the game started. It had the feeling of the Rams imploding on themselves and they sure did.
That being said it was nice to see some great play and some energy from this team. Deebo is a beast.
At least 4 of the top 5-6 QBs in the league are mobile types who aren't traditional pocket passers. It's a skill they need to have to succeed at the highest levels, it's a little early to say a 21 year old who has made one start won't be able to do it.
Yes they are but they are all very capable pocket passers (minus LJ who good teams always figure out). Lots of chatter this year about Mahones has to stop being so cute and running around and throwing under hand and just count to 3 go through his progressions and throw.
I agree it's way to early. I'm not saying cut the guy...it's just my initial gut feeling that we overpaid.
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drummer
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
David Lombardi on Twitter:
Only one drop back from under center and one play-action pass (vs the Rams Monday). The 49ers have moved Jimmy Garoppolo to 96% shotgun throws over the past 3 weeks, and they're recapturing some 2017 magic with that adjustment: He's the NFL's top-graded passer in that span.
https://t.co/TiDyhTkPfC
Only one drop back from under center and one play-action pass (vs the Rams Monday). The 49ers have moved Jimmy Garoppolo to 96% shotgun throws over the past 3 weeks, and they're recapturing some 2017 magic with that adjustment: He's the NFL's top-graded passer in that span.
https://t.co/TiDyhTkPfC
drummer
Footballguy
They wasted a lot of capitol to pick Lance at that spot, and it's Shanahan who did it. It's like Mike Ditka trading the Saints whole draft for Ricky Williams. People eventually are going to want to see why they did it. Especially when your starting QB is playing like the bottom third tier of QB's and is too limited to cover deficiencies throughout the offense.
From a pure physical perspective (well, maybe outside of the face, but beauty is within the eye of the beholder, or Jed), Lance is more intriguing. 49er fans have been QB starved for almost an entire generation. They see other franchises like Cincinnati land a Joe Burrow, New England land a Mac Jones, Chargers with Herbert, Jacksonville with Lawrence, and they are still the team within the division with the question at quarterback.
It was Shanahan who placed the value on Lance. His value is Franchise Quarterback, given what it cost on draft picks. He could wind up a Mahomes. Or a Tim Couch.
drummer
Footballguy
They won last night despite Garopollo, he completed 15 passes for 187 yards, 2 TDs. Shaun Hill did that.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Elijah Mitchell has pin out in broken finger, status for next week unclear.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152584-elijah-mitchell-sustained-finger-fracture-injury-updates-shanahan/
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152584-elijah-mitchell-sustained-finger-fracture-injury-updates-shanahan/
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Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
It's weird when this thread is bumped and there are no new posts. Anyhoo....
San Francisco 49ers have turned into a playoff team over 14 days
https://www.espn.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/40087/san-francisco-49ers-have-turned-into-a-playoff-team-over-14-days
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- After an embarrassing loss to a watered-down version of the Arizona Cardinals two weeks ago, the San Francisco 49ers had the look of a rudderless team headed for nowhere.
Two weeks later, the Niners look like a team that is not only capable of making a push for the NFC playoffs but one that can make some noise if they get there. Sunday's 30-10 beatdown of the Jacksonville Jaguars follows Monday night's dominant 31-10 dispatching of the Los Angeles Rams.
From the outside, the first could easily be explained away by San Francisco's apparent hex over the Rams. The second would be excused by the Jaguars' overall ineptitude. Put together and into the proper context, those two victories suggest that the Niners have finally discovered themselves.
At 5-5 with two wins in less than a week, these Niners aren't your 2-week-old neighbor's Niners.
"These past 14 days have, I don't want to say changed our team, but we're definitely moving in the right direction now," quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo said. "We have just got to keep going. There's a lot of football left to be played."
Indeed there is. While it was way too soon to kick dirt on the Niners after that Nov. 7 loss to an Arizona team without quarterback Kyler Murray and receiver DeAndre Hopkins (especially given the dearth of NFC teams pulling away with playoff spots), it was reasonable to wonder whether they had what was needed to right the ship and make a push for one of those seven postseason positions.
Instead, the 49ers have righted the ship and are moving in the direction of playing games into the middle of January.
How? There are plenty of ways in which the Niners have improved in their past two games but nowhere is it more important than the most obvious place: the turnover battle. San Francisco was minus-9 in takeaway differential in its first eight games, including minus-3 against Arizona. In the past two weeks, the 49ers are plus-4, including a pair of fumble recoveries against the Jaguars.
"We sat here after the Arizona game -- bear in the building type of stuff -- everyone is trying to solve these problems and we literally said 'We've got to stop turning the ball over, we've got to get a couple turnovers on defense or special teams,' and that's all we've done," tight end George Kittle said.
That turnover turnaround helped the 49ers soundly beat the Rams on national television and opened some eyes in the process. Doing it again to the Jaguars instead of falling into the "short week/long travel/early start time" trap six days later was exactly the kind of thing a team with legitimate playoff aspirations would do.
"I think it's coming together at the right time," linebacker Fred Warner said. "We're getting to that back half of the season and we're getting hot. I think that's just who we are. I think all along we've been trying to find that identity, trying to find ourselves and it's starting to show through."
The real test of the Niners' potential postseason hopes will come over the next seven weeks. The first, next week against the Minnesota Vikings, carries double importance. If the playoffs started today, the Niners would be out, but a home win against Minnesota would allow the Niners to leap over the Vikings and give them a meaningful victory for potential tiebreakers down the line. San Francisco follows with games against teams on the further fringes of the NFC playoff picture after that, facing the Seattle Seahawks on Dec. 5 and Atlanta Falcons on Dec. 19.
While all of that might be looking ahead a bit too far, the Niners have identified and, at least for now, corrected the issues that had them wobbling to a 3-5 start.
"After that Arizona game, it was pretty low," coach Kyle Shanahan said. "We were all embarrassed how we looked and when we watched the tape, we saw a lot of stuff that we felt we could fix. It wasn't as discouraging as it felt during that game. I was happy with the guys that instead of getting discouraged, they watched the tape and saw the stuff that we could improve on. It's a credit to the guys and the coaches that they didn't get down when it was easy to get down. They just kept focusing on trying to get better and practicing and trying to detail stuff up and I think we've done a better job of that these past two weeks."
Making a run to the postseason will be dependent on whether the 49ers of the past two weeks continue to show up.
San Francisco 49ers have turned into a playoff team over 14 days
https://www.espn.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/40087/san-francisco-49ers-have-turned-into-a-playoff-team-over-14-days
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- After an embarrassing loss to a watered-down version of the Arizona Cardinals two weeks ago, the San Francisco 49ers had the look of a rudderless team headed for nowhere.
Two weeks later, the Niners look like a team that is not only capable of making a push for the NFC playoffs but one that can make some noise if they get there. Sunday's 30-10 beatdown of the Jacksonville Jaguars follows Monday night's dominant 31-10 dispatching of the Los Angeles Rams.
From the outside, the first could easily be explained away by San Francisco's apparent hex over the Rams. The second would be excused by the Jaguars' overall ineptitude. Put together and into the proper context, those two victories suggest that the Niners have finally discovered themselves.
At 5-5 with two wins in less than a week, these Niners aren't your 2-week-old neighbor's Niners.
"These past 14 days have, I don't want to say changed our team, but we're definitely moving in the right direction now," quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo said. "We have just got to keep going. There's a lot of football left to be played."
Indeed there is. While it was way too soon to kick dirt on the Niners after that Nov. 7 loss to an Arizona team without quarterback Kyler Murray and receiver DeAndre Hopkins (especially given the dearth of NFC teams pulling away with playoff spots), it was reasonable to wonder whether they had what was needed to right the ship and make a push for one of those seven postseason positions.
Instead, the 49ers have righted the ship and are moving in the direction of playing games into the middle of January.
How? There are plenty of ways in which the Niners have improved in their past two games but nowhere is it more important than the most obvious place: the turnover battle. San Francisco was minus-9 in takeaway differential in its first eight games, including minus-3 against Arizona. In the past two weeks, the 49ers are plus-4, including a pair of fumble recoveries against the Jaguars.
"We sat here after the Arizona game -- bear in the building type of stuff -- everyone is trying to solve these problems and we literally said 'We've got to stop turning the ball over, we've got to get a couple turnovers on defense or special teams,' and that's all we've done," tight end George Kittle said.
That turnover turnaround helped the 49ers soundly beat the Rams on national television and opened some eyes in the process. Doing it again to the Jaguars instead of falling into the "short week/long travel/early start time" trap six days later was exactly the kind of thing a team with legitimate playoff aspirations would do.
"I think it's coming together at the right time," linebacker Fred Warner said. "We're getting to that back half of the season and we're getting hot. I think that's just who we are. I think all along we've been trying to find that identity, trying to find ourselves and it's starting to show through."
The real test of the Niners' potential postseason hopes will come over the next seven weeks. The first, next week against the Minnesota Vikings, carries double importance. If the playoffs started today, the Niners would be out, but a home win against Minnesota would allow the Niners to leap over the Vikings and give them a meaningful victory for potential tiebreakers down the line. San Francisco follows with games against teams on the further fringes of the NFC playoff picture after that, facing the Seattle Seahawks on Dec. 5 and Atlanta Falcons on Dec. 19.
While all of that might be looking ahead a bit too far, the Niners have identified and, at least for now, corrected the issues that had them wobbling to a 3-5 start.
"After that Arizona game, it was pretty low," coach Kyle Shanahan said. "We were all embarrassed how we looked and when we watched the tape, we saw a lot of stuff that we felt we could fix. It wasn't as discouraging as it felt during that game. I was happy with the guys that instead of getting discouraged, they watched the tape and saw the stuff that we could improve on. It's a credit to the guys and the coaches that they didn't get down when it was easy to get down. They just kept focusing on trying to get better and practicing and trying to detail stuff up and I think we've done a better job of that these past two weeks."
Making a run to the postseason will be dependent on whether the 49ers of the past two weeks continue to show up.
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drummer
Footballguy
It's not weird when two weeks ago everyone jumped of the bandwagon.
I don't see how a team like the 49ers could lose to the Jags after a Russell Wilson less Hawks team could beat them with a Geno Smith - who cost the Hawks games that weren't against the Jags - and all of the sudden are a playoff team that has only beaten one team above .500, who they match up well against and on a new starting QB. They are still third place in the division. Geno Smith notwithstanding.
I know people here like to post articles from the Sliver Linings Playbook after a win that brings the 49ers to .500 through ten games while still looking up to the Rams and the surging Cardinals (who one another big division game with Colt McCoy at QB!), and the only reason why the 49ers are mathematically (oh boy, here is more math again) is due to the expanded post season.
I thought they would had beaten the Cards a few weeks ago. They got trounced with Colt McCoy beating them as well.
Being 1-3 in the division is one thing, being 4-4 in the NFC is even bigger due to how to get into the wild card round. Could they win out the string? Well beating the Jaguars got them to .500. But they still have only one win against an above.500 team, yet still got beat by the Seahawks who are well below .500, and while at home.
Teams with a sub par home record are still who they are. One win at home after losing many doesn't chage that either. Playoff bound teams should be able to win at home.
I don't see how a team like the 49ers could lose to the Jags after a Russell Wilson less Hawks team could beat them with a Geno Smith - who cost the Hawks games that weren't against the Jags - and all of the sudden are a playoff team that has only beaten one team above .500, who they match up well against and on a new starting QB. They are still third place in the division. Geno Smith notwithstanding.
I know people here like to post articles from the Sliver Linings Playbook after a win that brings the 49ers to .500 through ten games while still looking up to the Rams and the surging Cardinals (who one another big division game with Colt McCoy at QB!), and the only reason why the 49ers are mathematically (oh boy, here is more math again) is due to the expanded post season.
I thought they would had beaten the Cards a few weeks ago. They got trounced with Colt McCoy beating them as well.
Being 1-3 in the division is one thing, being 4-4 in the NFC is even bigger due to how to get into the wild card round. Could they win out the string? Well beating the Jaguars got them to .500. But they still have only one win against an above.500 team, yet still got beat by the Seahawks who are well below .500, and while at home.
Teams with a sub par home record are still who they are. One win at home after losing many doesn't chage that either. Playoff bound teams should be able to win at home.
drummer
Footballguy
49ers are -3.5 dogs at home (which really doesn't mean much, but still given their home record of recent just needs a mention) against the Vikings, with the O/U 49.0 (which is a nice irony/touch). Good day to take the 49ers and the over, but it might be Robbie Gould time, so maybe the 3.5 spread.
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Footballguy
49ers are favorites, not dogs. Vikings are so banged up that it’s hard to see them stopping the 9ers on the ground, similar to the playoff game a couple of years ago. SF would also be smart to keep the Vikes O off the field as much as possible. Screams high scoring but I think long time consuming drives by SF moderates that a bit
drummer
Footballguy
Yeah I saw them dogs on one site, thanks for the correction. I agree with you on keeping it on the ground, but I can also see a final score of say 31-28. But don't use me as your stone cold lock sage lulz. This game could be another "WTF Kyle?" games that have reared their ugly head earlier this season.
