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[Joe Bryant]

You didn't say "elite", you said "2nd best coach in the NFL". "2nd best coach" is maybe not a hot take, more like a mild take, but it is certainly debatable which is what happened here.

Here is a FBG Moderator response to reports of trolling in our thread on March 25, 2023:

Sure. Kyle Shanahan as 2nd best NFL Head Coach is easily where I see it. Hardly a hot take.

How you do rank the top 5 NFL coaches?

1. Bill Belichick
2. Andy Reid
3. John Harbaugh
4. Pete Carroll
5. Sean McVay

Not sure how you can say Shanahan is "easily" the 2nd best coach after Belichick won his 300th game, has 6 Superbowls and 3 COY awards. Shanahan would have to win 12 game a season for another 20 years to win 300 games. Harbaugh has 100 more wins, a COY and a Superbowl. Carroll has 100 more wins and a Superbowl. McVay has a Superbowl. Payton has a Superbowl. Pederson has a Superbowl. Hell, even Mike McCarthy has a Superbowl. Kyle Shanahan is best known for being on coaching staffs that blow leads in big games. C'mon Joe, you're doubling down on a bad take.

I'm not talking about lifetime achievement or past Super Bowls. Of course Belichick has to be #1 there.

I'm talking about ranking the coaches right now in the NFL.

Your list is great. I don't think it's a bad take. I just disagree and think Shanahan should be #1.

 

[Joe Bryant]

No fanbase puts up with as much crap as the Eagles fanbase.

1. How much do you really believe that? Or do you mean sarcastically?
2. For putting up with stuff, where you do you mean? On this forum?

Joe every week there are Cowboy fans in that thread that come in to do nothing but fish. They don't offer analysis or debate. They just come and take pot shots. If you want I can pull examples. I don't think I need to, it's pretty obvious. I don't want to water down the 49er thread with non-49er talk anymore.

Thanks. I don't see challenging opinions of the "home" thread as "taking crap". No more than what you've done in this thread.

I do think there's an element of being cool in the "other" team's thread that's a good thing. It's why the Moderator also told the Cowboys fans to be cool back in that thread you quoted. Everyone can likely do better there.

I don't see at all what you're saying about Eagles fans having to put up with more than everyone else. But I understand opinions differ and some are more sensitive.

We can all be more cool.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And you're right, let's steer this back to the 49ers.

 

[Joe Bryant]

49er fans, what's your take on the QB situation as of today?

 

[efactor]

You didn't say "elite", you said "2nd best coach in the NFL". "2nd best coach" is maybe not a hot take, more like a mild take, but it is certainly debatable which is what happened here.

Here is a FBG Moderator response to reports of trolling in our thread on March 25, 2023:

Sure. Kyle Shanahan as 2nd best NFL Head Coach is easily where I see it. Hardly a hot take.

How you do rank the top 5 NFL coaches?

and
1. Bill Belichick
2. Andy Reid
3. John Harbaugh
4. Pete Carroll
5. Sean McVay

Not sure how you can say Shanahan is "easily" the 2nd best coach after Belichick won his 300th game, has 6 Superbowls and 3 COY awards. Shanahan would have to win 12 game a season for another 20 years to win 300 games. Harbaugh has 100 more wins, a COY and a Superbowl. Carroll has 100 more wins and a Superbowl. McVay has a Superbowl. Payton has a Superbowl. Pederson has a Superbowl. Hell, even Mike McCarthy has a Superbowl. Kyle Shanahan is best known for being on coaching staffs that blow leads in big games. C'mon Joe, you're doubling down on a bad take.

But Shanahan has only coached for 6 1/2 seasons so of course he has less wins than coaches who have coached much longer. Also, he took over the absolute worst roster in football in 2017 and had them in the Super Bowl in 3 seasons. We are talking about now and sorry, Belichick and Carroll are not better coaches in this era.

Winning a super bowl is great but the difference between winning one and not winning one is often minuscule and often not coach related. For example, McVay probably doesn't win his super bowl if Jaquiski Tartt doesn't drop the worlds easiest interception on a Stafford absolute duck late in the game and the 49ers leading. Pretty sure Shanahan didn't cause Tartt to suddenly develop stone hands. Saying one coach is better than the other based on one super bowl win is inaccurate IMO. Also the narrative that Shanahan blew the Falcons Super Bowl vs the Pats is a tired argument. Dan Quinn was the head coach and a defensive mind. Falcons got torched in the 2nd half on defense. Falcons played the 2nd half like they had the game in the bag and could coast. That's on the head coach, not the offensive coordinator.

Considering he has made a super bowl and 2 NFC championship games in 6 full seasons after taking over a crapass team and always playing these big games with an inferior QB, I think he has done an amazing job and is definitely a top 3 coach behind Fat Andy and maybe Harbaugh.

 

[drummer]

I didn't know it's now micro managing "eras" to favor one's argument. Because IMO there are only two eras post AFL/NFL merger: Pre Salary Cao and Post Salary Cap. Then one has to consider all the rule changes, realignment, added prime time games such as Thursday night, the current fad of "analytics".

But now we leave Belichick out of this argument, even though he' still an active coach? Same with Carroll? They're still active coaches.

Winning percentages matter, especially among active coaches. Aggregated over how many seasons they have coached, especially on one franchise. Cherry picking and parsing a few seasons into an era is not how it is done. Especially among active coaches.

 

[ChiefD]

You didn't say "elite", you said "2nd best coach in the NFL". "2nd best coach" is maybe not a hot take, more like a mild take, but it is certainly debatable which is what happened here.

Here is a FBG Moderator response to reports of trolling in our thread on March 25, 2023:

Sure. Kyle Shanahan as 2nd best NFL Head Coach is easily where I see it. Hardly a hot take.

How you do rank the top 5 NFL coaches?

1. Bill Belichick
2. Andy Reid
3. John Harbaugh
4. Pete Carroll
5. Sean McVay

Not sure how you can say Shanahan is "easily" the 2nd best coach after Belichick won his 300th game, has 6 Superbowls and 3 COY awards. Shanahan would have to win 12 game a season for another 20 years to win 300 games. Harbaugh has 100 more wins, a COY and a Superbowl. Carroll has 100 more wins and a Superbowl. McVay has a Superbowl. Payton has a Superbowl. Pederson has a Superbowl. Hell, even Mike McCarthy has a Superbowl. Kyle Shanahan is best known for being on coaching staffs that blow leads in big games. C'mon Joe, you're doubling down on a bad take.

I'm not talking about lifetime achievement or past Super Bowls. Of course Belichick has to be #1 there.

I'm talking about ranking the coaches right now in the NFL.

Your list is great. I don't think it's a bad take. I just disagree and think Shanahan should be #1.

Over Andy Reid even? The guy who BEAT Shanahan in the Super Bowl and won another one since then?

 

[Wingnut]

I think the original question is who are the best coaches right now?

Belichick might be the goat but he's no longer elite, IMO. He can't hit on a draft pick to save his life, hires terrible coordinators, and his team isn't winning. Since Brady left he's been mediocre at best and is 0-2 in his last 2 playoff appearances.

Carroll has been one and done in the playoffs 3 of his last 4 appearances.


Neither is top 5 right now, IMO.

 

[Wingnut]

You didn't say "elite", you said "2nd best coach in the NFL". "2nd best coach" is maybe not a hot take, more like a mild take, but it is certainly debatable which is what happened here.

Here is a FBG Moderator response to reports of trolling in our thread on March 25, 2023:

Sure. Kyle Shanahan as 2nd best NFL Head Coach is easily where I see it. Hardly a hot take.

How you do rank the top 5 NFL coaches?

1. Bill Belichick
2. Andy Reid
3. John Harbaugh
4. Pete Carroll
5. Sean McVay

Not sure how you can say Shanahan is "easily" the 2nd best coach after Belichick won his 300th game, has 6 Superbowls and 3 COY awards. Shanahan would have to win 12 game a season for another 20 years to win 300 games. Harbaugh has 100 more wins, a COY and a Superbowl. Carroll has 100 more wins and a Superbowl. McVay has a Superbowl. Payton has a Superbowl. Pederson has a Superbowl. Hell, even Mike McCarthy has a Superbowl. Kyle Shanahan is best known for being on coaching staffs that blow leads in big games. C'mon Joe, you're doubling down on a bad take.

I'm not talking about lifetime achievement or past Super Bowls. Of course Belichick has to be #1 there.

I'm talking about ranking the coaches right now in the NFL.

Your list is great. I don't think it's a bad take. I just disagree and think Shanahan should be #1.

Over Andy Reid even? The guy who BEAT Shanahan in the Super Bowl and won another one since then?

Nio. The question was after Reid, who are the next top 5. Reid is the consensus #1 coach.

 

[Wingnut]

Jeremiah, Brooks: 49ers primed to make a "big, bold move" ahead of trade deadline​

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NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah believes the San Francisco 49ers and Philadelphia Eagles are on a collision course. The two teams are racing toward home-field advantage and will clash on the football field in Week 13, a rematch of last season's NFC Championship Game.

Eagles general manager Howie Roseman has already made waves by acquiring safety Kevin Byard, further strengthening a formidable roster. With the October 31 trade deadline looming, Roseman could still have more moves up his sleeve.

Jeremiah suggests that the 49ers, armed with an NFL-leading $40 million in salary cap space, could be poised to make a significant move to stay competitive. He speculates that head coach Kyle Shanahan and general manager John Lynch could be preparing to make a headline-worthy move.

"I think they do something big," Jeremiah recently said on the "Move the Sticks" podcast. "They're all in right now."

Jeremiah also pointed out that the 49ers have a history of making bold moves, like last season's surprise acquisition of running back Christian McCaffrey, who has since proven to be a game-changer for the team.

"I mean, McCaffrey is darn near as big a name as you can get, and they went and got him last year, Buck," Jeremiah told his co-host, Bucky Brooks. "I think we're missing something with this team. Keep an eye on the 49ers because it doesn't feel like this is a team that's going to go quiet. This feels like a team that's ready to make a big, bold move."

He believes the 49ers must make a "checkmate move" after the Eagles added Byard.

"It has to be something big because, right now, you look at the Eagles roster with [WR] Julio Jones, who is not the same player, but they are certainly going up," Brooks added.

"But they've got the assets. They've got money, they've got picks, and they're all in. ... But it just feels like there's no way we get to Halloween and the 49ers haven't done something. There's no way."

 

[Wingnut]

Barrows:

Brock Purdy is practicing for the second straight day and, barring a setback, is on pace to be cleared from the concussion program tomorrow. Kyle Shanahan will supply the full injury report/Purdy situation in about an hour.

 

[Wingnut]

Trent Williams not practicing. Jaylon Moore up!

 

[drummer]

I think the original question is who are the best coaches right now?

Belichick might be the goat but he's no longer elite, IMO. He can't hit on a draft pick to save his life, hires terrible coordinators, and his team isn't winning. Since Brady left he's been mediocre at best and is 0-2 in his last 2 playoff appearances.

Carroll has been one and done in the playoffs 3 of his last 4 appearances.


Neither is top 5 right now, IMO.

Sure people want to point out to "right now", because "right now" doesn't reflect overall winning percentage. Because maybe people here would dismiss say Shanahan's losing seasons due to injury and roster, but at the same time dismissing Carroll and Belichick for not having a top 3 defense overall and in rebuild phase the past few seasons.

 

[thecatch]

You didn't say "elite", you said "2nd best coach in the NFL". "2nd best coach" is maybe not a hot take, more like a mild take, but it is certainly debatable which is what happened here.

Here is a FBG Moderator response to reports of trolling in our thread on March 25, 2023:

Sure. Kyle Shanahan as 2nd best NFL Head Coach is easily where I see it. Hardly a hot take.

How you do rank the top 5 NFL coaches?

1. Bill Belichick
2. Andy Reid
3. John Harbaugh
4. Pete Carroll
5. Sean McVay

Not sure how you can say Shanahan is "easily" the 2nd best coach after Belichick won his 300th game, has 6 Superbowls and 3 COY awards. Shanahan would have to win 12 game a season for another 20 years to win 300 games. Harbaugh has 100 more wins, a COY and a Superbowl. Carroll has 100 more wins and a Superbowl. McVay has a Superbowl. Payton has a Superbowl. Pederson has a Superbowl. Hell, even Mike McCarthy has a Superbowl. Kyle Shanahan is best known for being on coaching staffs that blow leads in big games. C'mon Joe, you're doubling down on a bad take.

I'm not talking about lifetime achievement or past Super Bowls. Of course Belichick has to be #1 there.

I'm talking about ranking the coaches right now in the NFL.

Your list is great. I don't think it's a bad take. I just disagree and think Shanahan should be #1.

Over Andy Reid even? The guy who BEAT Shanahan in the Super Bowl and won another one since then?

I’d have Reid over Shanahan because Reid has a lengthier history of basically doing what Shanahan is doing right now with the Eagles and then Chiefs. The fact that Reid has been winning head to head matchups with Patrick Mahomes against Jimmy Garrapolo carries 0 weight.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

And absolutely stand by that. I see the reports that come in. No fan base whines on this forum with reports more than the Eagles. It's not remotely close.

Having grown up and lived much of my life halfway between NYC and Philly, I can confirm that Philly fans are the worst.

I know it's coulda woulda shoulda but the 9ers are legitimately a play or two away from being 7-0 right now. Sucks to have lost two in a row but I see no reason to panic. They're still the favorite to win the NFC at this point.

 

[Wingnut]

I think the original question is who are the best coaches right now?

Belichick might be the goat but he's no longer elite, IMO. He can't hit on a draft pick to save his life, hires terrible coordinators, and his team isn't winning. Since Brady left he's been mediocre at best and is 0-2 in his last 2 playoff appearances.

Carroll has been one and done in the playoffs 3 of his last 4 appearances.


Neither is top 5 right now, IMO.

Sure people want to point out to "right now", because "right now" doesn't reflect overall winning percentage. Because maybe people here would dismiss say Shanahan's losing seasons due to injury and roster, but at the same time dismissing Carroll and Belichick for not having a top 3 defense overall and in rebuild phase the past few seasons.

Sometimes people just want to talk about right now. It's not a be all end all discussion. Every ranking list is opinion based anyway, so they really don't mean squat.

Just like people that say Purdy is a system QB, or game manager, or whatever...will any of that matter if he wins a SB?

Same with the coach debate. I don't need anyone listing Shanahan at #1, and don't really care where they rank him, but to say he's not one of the better coaches is just hating IMO.

Just my $.02

Edit: I'm not directing that at you, just saying in general.

 

[drummer]

I think the original question is who are the best coaches right now?

Belichick might be the goat but he's no longer elite, IMO. He can't hit on a draft pick to save his life, hires terrible coordinators, and his team isn't winning. Since Brady left he's been mediocre at best and is 0-2 in his last 2 playoff appearances.

Carroll has been one and done in the playoffs 3 of his last 4 appearances.


Neither is top 5 right now, IMO.

Sure people want to point out to "right now", because "right now" doesn't reflect overall winning percentage. Because maybe people here would dismiss say Shanahan's losing seasons due to injury and roster, but at the same time dismissing Carroll and Belichick for not having a top 3 defense overall and in rebuild phase the past few seasons.

Sometimes people just want to talk about right now. It's not a be all end all discussion. Every ranking list is opinion based anyway, so they really don't mean naythin

Just like people that say Purdy is a system QB, or game manager, or whatever...will any of that matter if he wins a SB?

Same with the coach debate. I don't need anyone listing Shanahan at #1, and don't really care where they rank him, but to say he's not one of the better coaches is just hating IMO.

Just my $.02

Edit: I'm not directing that at you, just saying in general.

It's really about which coach has the most talent, and right now in the NFC, it's between two teams in the 49ers and Eagles. It's like the pre salary cap era where the NFC was dominant, but now flipped to the AFC. You give Belichick or Carroll either of these teams, they'll win 13 games plus and into the playoffs. Carroll went to the playoffs last season with Geno Smith at QB.

The argument should be "which teams have the most talent". Because then we also include the executives like John Lynch into the equation when it comes to the head coache's success, especially when it comes to defense.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Over Andy Reid even? The guy who BEAT Shanahan in the Super Bowl and won another one since then?

All Time, yes I think you have to go Belichick just for all the rings. But Reid way up there.

And for sure, I think Reid is my #1 guy right I'd pick going forward in a Head Coach Power Ranking.

 

[Wingnut]

Double oof:

Among 136 offensive linemen with at least 150 pass blocking snaps, Colt McKivitz ranks 125th in blown block percentage, per Sports Info Solutions.

125th out of 139. Matt Pryor must be terrible to sit behind this guy on the depth chart.

 

[Terpman22]

Jeremiah, Brooks: 49ers primed to make a "big, bold move" ahead of trade deadline​

Link

NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah believes the San Francisco 49ers and Philadelphia Eagles are on a collision course. The two teams are racing toward home-field advantage and will clash on the football field in Week 13, a rematch of last season's NFC Championship Game.

Eagles general manager Howie Roseman has already made waves by acquiring safety Kevin Byard, further strengthening a formidable roster. With the October 31 trade deadline looming, Roseman could still have more moves up his sleeve.

Jeremiah suggests that the 49ers, armed with an NFL-leading $40 million in salary cap space, could be poised to make a significant move to stay competitive. He speculates that head coach Kyle Shanahan and general manager John Lynch could be preparing to make a headline-worthy move.

"I think they do something big," Jeremiah recently said on the "Move the Sticks" podcast. "They're all in right now."

Jeremiah also pointed out that the 49ers have a history of making bold moves, like last season's surprise acquisition of running back Christian McCaffrey, who has since proven to be a game-changer for the team.

"I mean, McCaffrey is darn near as big a name as you can get, and they went and got him last year, Buck," Jeremiah told his co-host, Bucky Brooks. "I think we're missing something with this team. Keep an eye on the 49ers because it doesn't feel like this is a team that's going to go quiet. This feels like a team that's ready to make a big, bold move."

He believes the 49ers must make a "checkmate move" after the Eagles added Byard.

"It has to be something big because, right now, you look at the Eagles roster with [WR] Julio Jones, who is not the same player, but they are certainly going up," Brooks added.

"But they've got the assets. They've got money, they've got picks, and they're all in. ... But it just feels like there's no way we get to Halloween and the 49ers haven't done something. There's no way."

What would be the position move to make here? I don't know much about the Niners overall roster construction other than them being "the most talented" roster so I'd imagine there are not a ton of wholes to fill. Off the top of my head, I guess CB, right? No one trades OL/DL midseason usually, but I guess maybe Chase Young would be an option? Seem set at:

QB'
RB
WR
TE
OL
DL
LB

Safety market has a few guys left, I saw the Vikes were trying to ship out Harrison Smith also. But do you need a Safety?

 

[Wingnut]

49ers QB Brock Purdy is questionable for Sunday, per Kyle Shanahan. He is still in concussion protocol but has progressed. He has one more step to complete, Shanahan said.

https://twitter.com/nwagoner/status/1718012048200847826?t=r8xxG-Ettfuy0ItKkm0Jvw&s=19

 

[drummer]

Jeremiah, Brooks: 49ers primed to make a "big, bold move" ahead of trade deadline​

Link

NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah believes the San Francisco 49ers and Philadelphia Eagles are on a collision course. The two teams are racing toward home-field advantage and will clash on the football field in Week 13, a rematch of last season's NFC Championship Game.

Eagles general manager Howie Roseman has already made waves by acquiring safety Kevin Byard, further strengthening a formidable roster. With the October 31 trade deadline looming, Roseman could still have more moves up his sleeve.

Jeremiah suggests that the 49ers, armed with an NFL-leading $40 million in salary cap space, could be poised to make a significant move to stay competitive. He speculates that head coach Kyle Shanahan and general manager John Lynch could be preparing to make a headline-worthy move.

"I think they do something big," Jeremiah recently said on the "Move the Sticks" podcast. "They're all in right now."

Jeremiah also pointed out that the 49ers have a history of making bold moves, like last season's surprise acquisition of running back Christian McCaffrey, who has since proven to be a game-changer for the team.

"I mean, McCaffrey is darn near as big a name as you can get, and they went and got him last year, Buck," Jeremiah told his co-host, Bucky Brooks. "I think we're missing something with this team. Keep an eye on the 49ers because it doesn't feel like this is a team that's going to go quiet. This feels like a team that's ready to make a big, bold move."

He believes the 49ers must make a "checkmate move" after the Eagles added Byard.

"It has to be something big because, right now, you look at the Eagles roster with [WR] Julio Jones, who is not the same player, but they are certainly going up," Brooks added.

"But they've got the assets. They've got money, they've got picks, and they're all in. ... But it just feels like there's no way we get to Halloween and the 49ers haven't done something. There's no way."

What would be the position move to make here? I don't know much about the Niners overall roster construction other than them being "the most talented" roster so I'd imagine there are not a ton of wholes to fill. Off the top of my head, I guess CB, right? No one trades OL/DL midseason usually, but I guess maybe Chase Young would be an option? Seem set at:

QB'
RB
WR
TE
OL
DL
LB

Safety market has a few guys left, I saw the Vikes were trying to ship out Harrison Smith also. But do you need a Safety?

S, OL, and another pass rusher.

 

[Terpman22]

Double oof:

Among 136 offensive linemen with at least 150 pass blocking snaps, Colt McKivitz ranks 125th in blown block percentage, per Sports Info Solutions.

125th out of 139. Matt Pryor must be terrible to sit behind this guy on the depth chart.

Per PFF he had a 44.9 grade last year. Former Eagles, never did much for us but sub a few games here/there.

 

[Terpman22]

Jeremiah, Brooks: 49ers primed to make a "big, bold move" ahead of trade deadline​

Link

NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah believes the San Francisco 49ers and Philadelphia Eagles are on a collision course. The two teams are racing toward home-field advantage and will clash on the football field in Week 13, a rematch of last season's NFC Championship Game.

Eagles general manager Howie Roseman has already made waves by acquiring safety Kevin Byard, further strengthening a formidable roster. With the October 31 trade deadline looming, Roseman could still have more moves up his sleeve.

Jeremiah suggests that the 49ers, armed with an NFL-leading $40 million in salary cap space, could be poised to make a significant move to stay competitive. He speculates that head coach Kyle Shanahan and general manager John Lynch could be preparing to make a headline-worthy move.

"I think they do something big," Jeremiah recently said on the "Move the Sticks" podcast. "They're all in right now."

Jeremiah also pointed out that the 49ers have a history of making bold moves, like last season's surprise acquisition of running back Christian McCaffrey, who has since proven to be a game-changer for the team.

"I mean, McCaffrey is darn near as big a name as you can get, and they went and got him last year, Buck," Jeremiah told his co-host, Bucky Brooks. "I think we're missing something with this team. Keep an eye on the 49ers because it doesn't feel like this is a team that's going to go quiet. This feels like a team that's ready to make a big, bold move."

He believes the 49ers must make a "checkmate move" after the Eagles added Byard.

"It has to be something big because, right now, you look at the Eagles roster with [WR] Julio Jones, who is not the same player, but they are certainly going up," Brooks added.

"But they've got the assets. They've got money, they've got picks, and they're all in. ... But it just feels like there's no way we get to Halloween and the 49ers haven't done something. There's no way."

What would be the position move to make here? I don't know much about the Niners overall roster construction other than them being "the most talented" roster so I'd imagine there are not a ton of wholes to fill. Off the top of my head, I guess CB, right? No one trades OL/DL midseason usually, but I guess maybe Chase Young would be an option? Seem set at:

QB'
RB
WR
TE
OL
DL
LB

Safety market has a few guys left, I saw the Vikes were trying to ship out Harrison Smith also. But do you need a Safety?

S, OL, and another pass rusher.

Good luck getting a quality OL guy via trade midseason is all I can say. My guess is one of the Commanders DL is in play.

 

[drummer]

49ers QB Brock Purdy is questionable for Sunday, per Kyle Shanahan. He is still in concussion protocol but has progressed. He has one more step to complete, Shanahan said.

https://twitter.com/nwagoner/status/1718012048200847826?t=r8xxG-Ettfuy0ItKkm0Jvw&s=19

DUMP FOR DARNOLD...

Oh wait, that was a few years ago.

They should just start Darnold because they are at home, Williams may or may not play, and the defense will have a HUGE chip on it's shoulder.

 

[efactor]

Jeremiah, Brooks: 49ers primed to make a "big, bold move" ahead of trade deadline​

Link

NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah believes the San Francisco 49ers and Philadelphia Eagles are on a collision course. The two teams are racing toward home-field advantage and will clash on the football field in Week 13, a rematch of last season's NFC Championship Game.

Eagles general manager Howie Roseman has already made waves by acquiring safety Kevin Byard, further strengthening a formidable roster. With the October 31 trade deadline looming, Roseman could still have more moves up his sleeve.

Jeremiah suggests that the 49ers, armed with an NFL-leading $40 million in salary cap space, could be poised to make a significant move to stay competitive. He speculates that head coach Kyle Shanahan and general manager John Lynch could be preparing to make a headline-worthy move.

"I think they do something big," Jeremiah recently said on the "Move the Sticks" podcast. "They're all in right now."

Jeremiah also pointed out that the 49ers have a history of making bold moves, like last season's surprise acquisition of running back Christian McCaffrey, who has since proven to be a game-changer for the team.

"I mean, McCaffrey is darn near as big a name as you can get, and they went and got him last year, Buck," Jeremiah told his co-host, Bucky Brooks. "I think we're missing something with this team. Keep an eye on the 49ers because it doesn't feel like this is a team that's going to go quiet. This feels like a team that's ready to make a big, bold move."

He believes the 49ers must make a "checkmate move" after the Eagles added Byard.

"It has to be something big because, right now, you look at the Eagles roster with [WR] Julio Jones, who is not the same player, but they are certainly going up," Brooks added.

"But they've got the assets. They've got money, they've got picks, and they're all in. ... But it just feels like there's no way we get to Halloween and the 49ers haven't done something. There's no way."

What would be the position move to make here? I don't know much about the Niners overall roster construction other than them being "the most talented" roster so I'd imagine there are not a ton of wholes to fill. Off the top of my head, I guess CB, right? No one trades OL/DL midseason usually, but I guess maybe Chase Young would be an option? Seem set at:

QB'
RB
WR
TE
OL
DL
LB

Safety market has a few guys left, I saw the Vikes were trying to ship out Harrison Smith also. But do you need a Safety?

Corner is the obvious one and Lenoir could move to slot. OL depth maybe

Outside the box, a WR. Deebo is banged up a lot and when he is out, they are hurting a bit. I like Jennings in his role as a #3 WR but not so much as a #2.

 

[efactor]

You didn't say "elite", you said "2nd best coach in the NFL". "2nd best coach" is maybe not a hot take, more like a mild take, but it is certainly debatable which is what happened here.

Here is a FBG Moderator response to reports of trolling in our thread on March 25, 2023:

Sure. Kyle Shanahan as 2nd best NFL Head Coach is easily where I see it. Hardly a hot take.

How you do rank the top 5 NFL coaches?

1. Bill Belichick
2. Andy Reid
3. John Harbaugh
4. Pete Carroll
5. Sean McVay

Not sure how you can say Shanahan is "easily" the 2nd best coach after Belichick won his 300th game, has 6 Superbowls and 3 COY awards. Shanahan would have to win 12 game a season for another 20 years to win 300 games. Harbaugh has 100 more wins, a COY and a Superbowl. Carroll has 100 more wins and a Superbowl. McVay has a Superbowl. Payton has a Superbowl. Pederson has a Superbowl. Hell, even Mike McCarthy has a Superbowl. Kyle Shanahan is best known for being on coaching staffs that blow leads in big games. C'mon Joe, you're doubling down on a bad take.

I'm not talking about lifetime achievement or past Super Bowls. Of course Belichick has to be #1 there.

I'm talking about ranking the coaches right now in the NFL.

Your list is great. I don't think it's a bad take. I just disagree and think Shanahan should be #1.

Over Andy Reid even? The guy who BEAT Shanahan in the Super Bowl and won another one since then?

OK, but Andy suddenly became a much better coach when Mahomes became a star

But yeah, I'll give you that one

 

[Terpman22]

You didn't say "elite", you said "2nd best coach in the NFL". "2nd best coach" is maybe not a hot take, more like a mild take, but it is certainly debatable which is what happened here.

Here is a FBG Moderator response to reports of trolling in our thread on March 25, 2023:

Sure. Kyle Shanahan as 2nd best NFL Head Coach is easily where I see it. Hardly a hot take.

How you do rank the top 5 NFL coaches?

1. Bill Belichick
2. Andy Reid
3. John Harbaugh
4. Pete Carroll
5. Sean McVay

Not sure how you can say Shanahan is "easily" the 2nd best coach after Belichick won his 300th game, has 6 Superbowls and 3 COY awards. Shanahan would have to win 12 game a season for another 20 years to win 300 games. Harbaugh has 100 more wins, a COY and a Superbowl. Carroll has 100 more wins and a Superbowl. McVay has a Superbowl. Payton has a Superbowl. Pederson has a Superbowl. Hell, even Mike McCarthy has a Superbowl. Kyle Shanahan is best known for being on coaching staffs that blow leads in big games. C'mon Joe, you're doubling down on a bad take.

I'm not talking about lifetime achievement or past Super Bowls. Of course Belichick has to be #1 there.

I'm talking about ranking the coaches right now in the NFL.

Your list is great. I don't think it's a bad take. I just disagree and think Shanahan should be #1.

Over Andy Reid even? The guy who BEAT Shanahan in the Super Bowl and won another one since then?

OK, but Andy suddenly became a much better coach when Mahomes became a star

But yeah, I'll give you that one

LOL Andy Reid was making it to NFC title games 4 years in a row before Mahomes was in middle school w Donavan McNabb. He gets more out of his QBs than any other coach, including Shanahan. He's the GOAT, just can't draft WR's and cares to little about character, but other than that hardly any other major flaws.

 

[drummer]

You didn't say "elite", you said "2nd best coach in the NFL". "2nd best coach" is maybe not a hot take, more like a mild take, but it is certainly debatable which is what happened here.

Here is a FBG Moderator response to reports of trolling in our thread on March 25, 2023:

Sure. Kyle Shanahan as 2nd best NFL Head Coach is easily where I see it. Hardly a hot take.

How you do rank the top 5 NFL coaches?

1. Bill Belichick
2. Andy Reid
3. John Harbaugh
4. Pete Carroll
5. Sean McVay

Not sure how you can say Shanahan is "easily" the 2nd best coach after Belichick won his 300th game, has 6 Superbowls and 3 COY awards. Shanahan would have to win 12 game a season for another 20 years to win 300 games. Harbaugh has 100 more wins, a COY and a Superbowl. Carroll has 100 more wins and a Superbowl. McVay has a Superbowl. Payton has a Superbowl. Pederson has a Superbowl. Hell, even Mike McCarthy has a Superbowl. Kyle Shanahan is best known for being on coaching staffs that blow leads in big games. C'mon Joe, you're doubling down on a bad take.

I'm not talking about lifetime achievement or past Super Bowls. Of course Belichick has to be #1 there.

I'm talking about ranking the coaches right now in the NFL.

Your list is great. I don't think it's a bad take. I just disagree and think Shanahan should be #1.

Over Andy Reid even? The guy who BEAT Shanahan in the Super Bowl and won another one since then?

OK, but Andy suddenly became a much better coach when Mahomes became a star

But yeah, I'll give you that one

And Shanahan passed on Mahomes...

 

[-OZ-]

does anyone else really hope Brock sits, Darnold excels and there’s some small talk of a controversy?
Anyone else starting Darnold in SF against the current 1 seed in his dynasty league?
Just me?

 

[Wingnut]

Sunday Preview (10 second clip)

 

[Terpman22]

does anyone else really hope Brock sits, Darnold excels and there’s some small talk of a controversy?
Anyone else starting Darnold in SF against the current 1 seed in his dynasty league?
Just me?

I want him to sit b/c I don't want him to get long term injured and all that stuff that comes w multiple brain scrambles. And it's not me hating as an Eagles fan, I have him in fantasy in a few leagues and have been playing him here and there. Plus, also as an Eagles fans, I NEED him to play vs us just so we can get that stuff outta the way.

 

[Joe Bryant]

OK, but Andy suddenly became a much better coach when Mahomes became a star

Funny how that works. Bill Belichick says

 

[drummer]

OK, but Andy suddenly became a much better coach when Mahomes became a star

Funny how that works. Bill Belichick says

Didn't I read here that Lane Kiffin would bring excitement somewhere?

 

[Wingnut]

Kyle Shanahan said Brock Purdy was full go in practice today, is on track to pass the concussion protocol tomorrow. He'll start Sunday if he passes as expected.

https://twitter.com/mattbarrows/status/1718012414820782331?t=qTZs5tbtMB9MIA8Qgm7fTA&s=19

 

[drummer]

I think the argument that bases on both Belichick and Ried having MVP QBs is discounting each of their hands at developing those QBs, whereas Shanahan has yet to produce a QB that makes a Pro Bowl while in SF. Now Shanahan has produced an MVP in Matt Ryan while as OC in ATL, but as an HC, well when you have one of the best rushing offenses along with the top rushing defense and a stud pass rush, with All Pro talent on either side of the ball, you can win games with a current QB who only eats a tiny fraction of the overall salary.

 

[ChiefD]

I think the argument that bases on both Belichick and Ried having MVP QBs is discounting each of their hands at developing those QBs, whereas Shanahan has yet to produce a QB that makes a Pro Bowl while in SF. Now Shanahan has produced an MVP in Matt Ryan while as OC in ATL, but as an HC, well when you have one of the best rushing offenses along with the top rushing defense and a stud pass rush, with All Pro talent on either side of the ball, you can win games with a current QB who only eats a tiny fraction of the overall salary.

And Shanahan CHOSE Trey Lance and paid a heavy price to get there. He is still young and a heck of a coach. I really hope Purdy is THE GUY and see what Shanahan can really do with a stud QB. Until then his QB's get hurt more than most it seems.

 

[-OZ-]

OK, but Andy suddenly became a much better coach when Mahomes became a star

Funny how that works. Bill Belichick says

Honestly though, how many GREAT coaches don’t have stud QBs?

 

[drummer]

I think the argument that bases on both Belichick and Ried having MVP QBs is discounting each of their hands at developing those QBs, whereas Shanahan has yet to produce a QB that makes a Pro Bowl while in SF. Now Shanahan has produced an MVP in Matt Ryan while as OC in ATL, but as an HC, well when you have one of the best rushing offenses along with the top rushing defense and a stud pass rush, with All Pro talent on either side of the ball, you can win games with a current QB who only eats a tiny fraction of the overall salary.

And Shanahan CHOSE Trey Lance and paid a heavy price to get there. He is still young and a heck of a coach. I really hope Purdy is THE GUY and see what Shanahan can really do with a stud QB. Until then his QB's get hurt more than most it seems.

It's hard to say that Purdy is a potential franchise QB because if he backslides a bit more like he has the past two games, Shanahan will make a change. Purdy is a small QB, doesn't have franchise QB arm strength, and that's just the reality of what Purdy is, it's not a knock on him. Lance was a longer term project, Shanahan didn't have the time or patience to develop him. He was up and down with Garoppolo for good reason, because Garoppolo was up and down.

Many head coaches have won a Super Bowl without a franchise QB, but many franchises that have won without one have a way lesser chance are getting back to another without one either. People here are discounting Belichick and Reid for having franchise QB's they helped develop and won multiple championships with . That's what makes HoF coaches, George Seifert had a tremndous winning percentage, won two Super Bowls with HoF QB's, but most likely will never get into the HoF because they were Walsh's QBs. Reid has to be a first ballot HoF head coach now. Has Mahomes put him over the top for that first ballot? Sure, but Reid also has a big hand in Mahomes' success.

Shanahan has yet to show he can keep whatever QB he has healthy, much less than developing a franchise one.

Edit: there was a time where 49er fans wanted Seifert fired after losing the the Eagles in a regular season game for Jimmy Johnson. The 49ers won their last Super Bowl later that season. I can't imagine how fans then would had reacted if he lost that Super Bowl. Now the 49ers have lost two since.

 

[Wingnut]

It's hard to say that Purdy is a potential franchise QB because if he backslides a bit more like he has the past two games, Shanahan will make a chang

I don't think he backsliding much, considering the circumstances.

In the Cleveland game, aside from playing the at-the-time #1 defense in bad weather, he lost 2 of his main weapons during the game. I'll give him somewhat of a pass on that game for 2 reasons:

1: That was the first time he experienced attrition during a game and and as a young QB, that's tough to adjust to/overcome the first time it happens.

2: He still led his team on a drive that should have resulted in a win.

In the Minnesota game, although the offense didn't really get on track, he was playing very well before the hit that put him in protocol with a completion percentage of almost 80% and a high rating, so I wouldn't call that a backslide. The offense got bullied that game, and that's not all on Purdy.

Yes, he needs to be able to overcome injuries and conditions, but he's learning and I don't see Shanahan benching him any time soon, unless he REALLY regresses.

 

[Rubi]

I think it would be a great story if Sam had to come in and rescue The Niner's season.

 

[drummer]

It's hard to say that Purdy is a potential franchise QB because if he backslides a bit more like he has the past two games, Shanahan will make a chang

I don't think he backsliding much, considering the circumstances.

In the Cleveland game, aside from playing the at-the-time #1 defense in bad weather, he lost 2 of his main weapons during the game. I'll give him somewhat of a pass on that game for 2 reasons:

1: That was the first time he experienced attrition during a game and and as a young QB, that's tough to adjust to/overcome the first time it happens.

2: He still led his team on a drive that should have resulted in a win.

In the Minnesota game, although the offense didn't really get on track, he was playing very well before the hit that put him in protocol with a completion percentage of almost 80% and a high rating, so I wouldn't call that a backslide. The offense got bullied that game, and that's not all on Purdy.

Yes, he needs to be able to overcome injuries and conditions, but he's learning and I don't see Shanahan benching him any time soon, unless he REALLY regresses.

Well I am not sold on the reason why he threw picks based on he being concussed because Brian Griese didn't see anything wrong with him, and Purdy even did the post game presser, where he didn't show any signs then either (and one podcast guy who isn't Cohn mentioned that when concussed, people are very sensitive to light, and also pointed out that Purdy potential INT the game prior that were similar throws to the ones where they were picked the next week). QB's throw picks, it happens, QB's take hit and sometimes go into the tent only to come out later and play well, Purdy didn't enter the tent all game long, If he felt woozy after the hit, he should had let the coaching staff know. But he showed no signs of it in his play. Not enough to enter the tent.

Edit: they were also playing from behind in the 4th quarter, and young QBs can press when playing from behind late.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Honestly, I think Darnold could run this offense, I wouldn’t be worried about him coming off the bench. Huge upgrade at backup versus what we had in Johnson. Fumbles a snap, then gets concussed… waiting forever for your moment, getting it, then that? Ultimate disaster; I would expect much more out of Darnold and think he can carry the offense.

With that being said, anyone still questioning Brock Purdy hasn’t watched him play (at this point, he’s basically got a full season under his belt) because as someone who has watched almost every snap, I see someone who can be special. Plays with confidence and poise and no moment seems to big for him. He has everything I’d want out of a QB.

I think the bigger issue this week is no Trent and no Deebo. Trent has been a top 3 lineman for a long time, he’s the anchor on that offense. He punches you in the face and takes your lunch. He’s a guy you want and need on the OL. Deebo is the yin to CMC’s yang. I look at them as a duo who compliment each other as well as any 2 skill players in the league. It’s almost impossible for a DC to simultaneously scheme against this offense when they’re on the field together. I expect another sub par game out of Purdy if he plays, but I’m still not going to be concerned. Personally, I feel he’s earned the respect and a few bad games without Trent and Deebo wouldn’t be the end of the world, imo.

 

[Wingnut]

Welp, the jinx is on.


Former team owner and Hall of Famer Eddie DeBartolo will be here this weekend, along with more than 100 #49ers alums, GM John Lynch said on @knbr. The 49ers will celebrate the Super Bowl XVI and XXIII teams that beat the Bengals to win championships.

https://twitter.com/MaioccoNBCS/status/1717923190381646266?t=MqBEI2DFnVijYMSReROPJA&s=19

 

[drummer]

Honestly, I think Darnold could run this offense, I wouldn’t be worried about him coming off the bench. Huge upgrade at backup versus what we had in Johnson. Fumbles a snap, then gets concussed… waiting forever for your moment, getting it, then that? Ultimate disaster; I would expect much more out of Darnold and think he can carry the offense.

With that being said, anyone still questioning Brock Purdy hasn’t watched him play (at this point, he’s basically got a full season under his belt) because as someone who has watched almost every snap, I see someone who can be special. Plays with confidence and poise and no moment seems to big for him. He has everything I’d want out of a QB.

I think the bigger issue this week is no Trent and no Deebo. Trent has been a top 3 lineman for a long time, he’s the anchor on that offense. He punches you in the face and takes your lunch. He’s a guy you want and need on the OL. Deebo is the yin to CMC’s yang. I look at them as a duo who compliment each other as well as any 2 skill players in the league. It’s almost impossible for a DC to simultaneously scheme against this offense when they’re on the field together. I expect another sub par game out of Purdy if he plays, but I’m still not going to be concerned. Personally, I feel he’s earned the respect and a few bad games without Trent and Deebo wouldn’t be the end of the world, imo.

I agree with this, but...

And this is a big juicy Serena William's but... courtesy of Uncle Jeff in Veep...

Last season after Purdy took over from Garopollo, I posted in the Kittle thread how all of the sudden he showed up. Like 7 TDs in five games since Purdy started against TB. Yet in the that stretch, Deebo Samuel all if the sudden became Vernon Davis in Utility Mode, doing all the little things to make the offense work. Losing that key piece in the offense, I mean Purdy has to be able to adjust without Deebo, because Deebo is breaking down due to how he had to be used prior to CMC, how he has to be used because of the scheme and that the QB's aren't as successful without him, so therefore you have to have a player like Kittle be that utility guy. Or Juice, who also has become non-existent to a point because of where you're at when it comes to the QB's weaknesses, and with no Trent Williams and a banged up CMC, you're putting a QB like Purdy in the jackpot.

This is why you have a number one defense, who should play like a number one defense. Because of they don't, the offense will follow since they still don't have a proven QB who can miss a Deebo Samuel.

 

[drummer]

Welp, the jinx is on.


Former team owner and Hall of Famer Eddie DeBartolo will be here this weekend, along with more than 100 #49ers alums, GM John Lynch said on @knbr. The 49ers will celebrate the Super Bowl XVI and XXIII teams that beat the Bengals to win championships.

https://twitter.com/MaioccoNBCS/status/1717923190381646266?t=MqBEI2DFnVijYMSReROPJA&s=19

It's an opportune time for him to make sure that nobody rats on Jed to a grand jury when it comes to rigging elections there.

Edit: Eddie was pardoned by the last POTUS after all.

 

[need2know]

Probably trading for a qb

 

[Wingnut]

Last season after Purdy took over from Garopollo, I posted in the Kittle thread how all of the sudden he showed up. Like 7 TDs in five games since Purdy started against TB. Yet in the that stretch, Deebo Samuel all if the sudden became Vernon Davis in Utility Mode, doing all the little things to make the offense work. Losing that key piece in the offense, I mean Purdy has to be able to adjust without Deebo, because Deebo is breaking down due to how he had to be used prior to CMC

Kittle had those 7 TDs in 4 games last season (weeks 15-18), and Deebo missed 3 of them (weeks 15-17). The 49ers put up 21 vs SEA, 37 vs WAS, and 37 vs LV in those games (Purdy threw 2 TDs in each game, all but 1 to Kittle. Tue other went to Aiyuk)

So Purdy can and has adjusted without Deebo, it's just the past 2 weeks have just had weird situations, and ultimately, outcomes that were a combination of things. Could Purdy have played better? Of course, but he didn't play bad, and played well enough to win in one, and almost well enough to have a chance in the other before taking that hit on the QB sneak.

The defense can help tremendously by playing the way we're used to seeing. Takeaways and getting off the field on 3rd down are gonna be key.

 

[Wingnut]

I am not sold on the reason why he threw picks based on he being concussed because Brian Griese didn't see anything wrong with him, and Purdy even did the post game presser, where he didn't show any signs then either (and one podcast guy mentioned that when concussed, people are very sensitive to light, and also pointed out that Purdy potential INT the game prior that were similar throws to the ones where they were picked the next weekPurdy didn't enter the tent all game long, If he felt woozy after the hit, he should had let the coaching staff know. But he showed no signs of it in his play. Not enough to enter the tent.

Concussion signs can be delayed to where you don't even realize youre concussed, but the brain injury is still there. A person can show zero signs, or be 0% aware that he had been concussed, all while having a concussion. So the brain can be injured while the individual doesn't even know it. I believe this is what may have happened to Purdy.

The symptoms of a severe concussion are immediate – dizziness, blurred vision, memory loss or even loss of consciousness, but for a mild concussion that doesn't involve being knocked out, symptoms may not seem obvious until days later.

UQ neurologist Professor Michael O’Sullivan explains that part of the problem is that initial symptoms of a concussion – such as memory problems – can sometimes be quite subtle, and aren’t noticed until they become more pronounced.

Every concussion is different, she says. The location and force of some impacts are more likely to cause immediate loss of consciousness or vision problems, and these are hard to miss.

"But It might be that the concussion or impact happened in an area that took a long time to cause further damage," she says. In this case, the associated symptoms, such as headaches and ability to multitask, may take a little longer to become apparent.

She also points out that even if a concussion doesn’t have any initial symptoms, it doesn’t mean the brain hasn’t been damaged.

Link

 

[drummer]

Last season after Purdy took over from Garopollo, I posted in the Kittle thread how all of the sudden he showed up. Like 7 TDs in five games since Purdy started against TB. Yet in the that stretch, Deebo Samuel all if the sudden became Vernon Davis in Utility Mode, doing all the little things to make the offense work. Losing that key piece in the offense, I mean Purdy has to be able to adjust without Deebo, because Deebo is breaking down due to how he had to be used prior to CMC

Kittle had those 7 TDs in 4 games last season (weeks 15-18), and Deebo missed 3 of them (weeks 15-17). The 49ers put up 21 vs SEA, 37 vs WAS, and 37 vs LV in those games (Purdy threw 2 TDs in each game, all but 1 to Kittle. Tue other went to Aiyuk)

So Purdy can and has adjusted without Deebo, it's just the past 2 weeks have just had weird situations, and ultimately, outcomes that were a combination of things. Could Purdy have played better? Of course, but he didn't play bad, and played well enough to win in one, and almost well enough to have a chance in the other before taking that hit on the QB sneak.

The defense can help tremendously by playing the way we're used to seeing. Takeaways and getting off the field on 3rd down are gonna be key.

AZ,and LVR finished last season near the bottom of the league in PA - LVR at 26th, AZ at 31st with WAS finishing at 7th in PA but 24th in PF. If you use passer rating as a measure, Taylor Hienke posted a better rating against the 49er defense than Purdy had against the WAS defense. Which is why you never use passer rating.

But for the sake of tiny sample sizes with tiny QBs in 2022...
Taylor Hieneke in 9 starts - 12 TDs, 9 INTs 1859 yards.

Brock Purdy in 5 starts - 13 TDs, 4 INTs, 1374 yards.

Now just to reiterate the PF stats between both teams in 2022:

WAS: 24th
SF: 6th.

Now you have a funny thing going on this season without Deebo starting the past two games, one without Trent Williams:

CLE: 10th in PA, 15th in PF

MIN: 20th in PA, 18th in PF.

To me, these are the only stats you need because EPA:

What are Expected Points Added (EPA) in the NFL | nfelo.app

If you follow the NFL, and especially if you follow football analytics, Expected Points Added (EPA) is a metric you’ve seen being used more and more. But what is EPA? This post will help explain the intuition behind Expect Points, how Expected Points Added is calculated from Expected Points, and...

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Shortcomings of EPA

EPA does have its limitations, most notably in its ability to measure individual performance. EPA analysis works for QBs because that position dictates so much of the game. However, football is a team sport, and attributing EPA to other positions like running-back or wide-receiver typically does not yield as much signal. EPA can’t distinguish between a well run route and a well thrown ball.

A further limitation of EPA is its inability to capture non-point benefits or benefits not realized by the play in question. For instance, rushing EPA ignores any positive benefit a strong running game may create in the passing game by slowing down a pass rush or the benefit it may provide to a team in their ability to close out games.

EPA based analysis can also be limited by the dataset itself. Most EPA analysis is derived from nflfastR's public historical data. This dataset does not have classifications for formation or scheme, which means EPA based analysis typically doesn't have context for the degree of difficulty or intention of the play. Does a QB have high EPA because scheme put them in advantageous positions or because they really played at a high level?

A final (and perhaps least recognized) limitation of EPA is its susceptibility to leverage. The power of EPA comes from its ability to recognize that not all yards are created equal. Distance and field position matter. Averaging 5 yards per play generally isn't that great, but gaining 5 yards on any one play can be worth a whole lot of EPA if it converts a first down and extends a drive.

The problem with this approach is that it has a tendency to overweight individual plays that may or may not be very predictive of the future. For example, if a team loses a random fumble on first and goal, (which carries an EP value of about six points), they'll end the game with a heavily deflated EPA that understates their overall efficiency as an offense.

But that's just me, because the such thing as data sets, how they are incomplete, fluid, and has yet another competing data set. Such as DVOA for example..

What does this all mean? Well at least for one game, Heineke without Deebo Samuel posted a better passer rating the Brock Purdy had without a Deebo Samuel, but Brock Purdy still had George Kittle and CMC, Nick Bosa, Fred Warner, etc., while Heinicke hadn't. And I'm just using one game of of three where Purdy faced the best defense out of that three.