As Kawakami basically stated in his Athletic column today, there really aren’t any better candidates on staff at the moment so they are stuck.Sounds like Wilks isn't going anywhere.
I guess they don't wanna make another run.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I’d let Warner and Greenlaw call the schemes on the field over this putz.As Kawakami basically stated in his Athletic column today, there really aren’t any better candidates on staff at the moment so they are stuck.Sounds like Wilks isn't going anywhere.
I guess they don't wanna make another run.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Not an excuse by any means, but this is pretty nuts. Last 3 games:
Browns had two weeks to prepare for
49ers @ home
Vikings had two weeks to prepare for 49ers @ home
Bengals have two weeks to prepare for 49ers, while 49ers had a short week
Can we play a team with equal rest? Geez.
Browns had two weeks to prepare for
49ers @ home
Vikings had two weeks to prepare for 49ers @ home
Bengals have two weeks to prepare for 49ers, while 49ers had a short week
Can we play a team with equal rest? Geez.
efactor
Footballguy
Jesus, you are such a downer when the team hits a rough patch
They are 5-3, which is a game better than last year at this time. Only a game back in the division and over half the season to play. RELAX just a bit
Williams and Deebo should be back soon and that will make a huge difference.
General Malaise
Footballguy
The 49ers first four games were against teams with a combined record of 10-21. San Francisco hasn't had to play overseas, had to play East Coast Time zone twice and has the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL. You've had it pretty good, man.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Football is always gonna football. The one thing about real football and fantasy football is it isn't how u start but more about how u finish. Its week 9. They have a 3 game along streak and are 5-3. They get healthy and make some changes defensivly and come week 15 they more then likely will be an favorite again. Too good a roster not to be. Imo
That is pretty wild. And makes a big difference.
Was it here in the Shark Pool where we talked about rest? I remember some one did a pretty involved thing with the schedule and focused on teams with both short and long rests.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Loll, I always post that kind of of stuff after a loss. It's part of my process of getting over it.Jesus, you are such a downer when the team hits a rough patch
They are 5-3, which is a game better than last year at this time. Only a game back in the division and over half the season to play. RELAX just a bit
Williams and Deebo should be back soon and that will make a huge difference.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
Yeah, Debo being out hurts..
MCM not being 100% hurts..
Purdy not being 100% hurts..
That said, I am wondering though, if the book is out on Purdy.
SF will still make the playoffs, and probably win the division with the talent they have, but seeding matters and I just don't see them beating Philly on the road.
MCM not being 100% hurts..
Purdy not being 100% hurts..
That said, I am wondering though, if the book is out on Purdy.
SF will still make the playoffs, and probably win the division with the talent they have, but seeding matters and I just don't see them beating Philly on the road.
Wingnut
Footballguy
I don't get how anyone has this take.
Edit: yeah he's played worse these 3 weeks but he's had zero help in the other 2 phases and they cant run the ball, Purdy is way down the list of current issues.
Started a new thread on it here. https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/nfl-schedule-and-rest.810952/
efactor
Footballguy
Me either. Not like he's a gimmick QB.
One big issue is that with Deebo out, WR 2 is a mess. I really like Jennings in his role as WR 3 in this offense because it's a lot of blocking which he is good at and shorter routes on 3rd down. But as a WR2, he just doesn't have the skill set to get open consistently, which is why he was a 7th round pick. He didn't even have a target yesterday. Aiyuk, Kittle and CMC. McCloud was next with 2 targets and Mitchell had 1. Nobody else was involved which means throwing into double coverage and the corresponding picks.
I wouldn't be adverse to trading for a WR before the deadline. Deebo is banged up a lot and the offense lags without a true threat outside of Aiyuk
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Topic title is a bit dramatic.
There were positives in this game. Purdy made some dumb mistakes at the end (again) but with normal circumstances, I think those forced (and unforced) errors don't happen.
Deebo & Williams being out is not insignificant. Deebo is the swiss army knife that makes this offense less predictable, and Williams role is obvious.
The defense was getting at Burrow a bit. I don't think anyone expected Burrow to run, but it appears his calf is finally healthy - lucky us. That definitely had an unexpected impact. But that said, the Bengals offense is as dangerous as they come, and the 49ers D looks to be putting it together a bit.
IMO a BYE, with the rest and return to health of key payers, is going to do wonders for the 49ers. I'm not at all panicked. Certainly not thrilled with the loss, or the drop to 5-3, but the sky is not falling.
There were positives in this game. Purdy made some dumb mistakes at the end (again) but with normal circumstances, I think those forced (and unforced) errors don't happen.
Deebo & Williams being out is not insignificant. Deebo is the swiss army knife that makes this offense less predictable, and Williams role is obvious.
The defense was getting at Burrow a bit. I don't think anyone expected Burrow to run, but it appears his calf is finally healthy - lucky us. That definitely had an unexpected impact. But that said, the Bengals offense is as dangerous as they come, and the 49ers D looks to be putting it together a bit.
IMO a BYE, with the rest and return to health of key payers, is going to do wonders for the 49ers. I'm not at all panicked. Certainly not thrilled with the loss, or the drop to 5-3, but the sky is not falling.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don't see it as "the book being out", but I definitely see some rookie growing pains that we're just not used to seeing. Purdy has had some lucky drops on balls that could have been picked throughout the year. His luck hasn't been as good lately.
But that said, we're also seeing it more without Trent & Deebo, 2 key parts of the 49ers offense. When they're back, the protection is better, and there's less pressure on Purdy to carry the offense.
I think the book being out on Purdy is an easy and good take. Almost every player that starts off red hot comes back to earth once there's enough tape on him for other teams to study and scheme more effective ways to stop him.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Well, even if it works out that way, they'll get a test run in Philly first on 12/3.
Also, that's what we thought about the Diamondbacks, and you saw how that worked out.
efactor
Footballguy
Agree on bolded. Sucks to drop 3 straight, but not the end of the world at this point in the season.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That's true in general, but IMO it's also true that losing your best pass protecting OL isn't helpful. And without Deebo (and the dual threat he represents) it becomes much easier to take away some of Purdy's effectiveness.
The offense is significantly different without Deebo. In a simplified offense, sure - it's easier to have a book on Purdy. But it's not like an apples to apples situation where everyone is healthy & defenses are just figuring out Purdy over time.
That seems to be your implication here - I disagree. In a dumbed down offense, defenses are keying in on more predictable play-calling. I'd be willing to bet that the 49ers (and Purdy specifically) are much less predictable when Deebo returns.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Still a very good, very dangerous football team. And headed to the week BYE, to have them as healthy as they've ever been in week 10 should be scary for the rest of the league.
Ain't nobody circling the Niners on their schedule like it's gonna be an easy dub.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Agree, but I don't think that's what's happening here, at least not exclusively. All the issues they have right now combined are contributing.
That said, I'm sure opposing coaches have found weaknesses or tendencies that he has, and are game planning to exploit/expose them, but his troubles are mostly coming late in the game when the run game is out the door snd he's trying to do too much. And as a young QB, mistakes will happen.
That might be.
I'm just saying I can easily see someone having the take the book is out on Purdy. I have that take. Seems pretty standard. And was surprised you said you don't get how anyone could have that take.
efactor
Footballguy
Disagree on this
He played poorly against the Browns but all QBs have bad games. He was playing well against the Vikings until the play he got concussed on and was 2-6 with 2 picks playing dazed so I'll give him a pass there. Yesterday he was playing from behind without his all world LT and Deebo, and he definitely was forcing throws, at the end out of necessity. But he also had some really good throws.
With the exception of RPO dominant QBs, I think the "book being out" on a QB arguments comes out way too much when a QB has a bad game. It happened to Tua last year when the Chargers shut him down. People will be saying it about Stroud now that he has come back to earth a bit. Young QBs especially will have growing pains. Purdy will be fine.
Wingnut
Footballguy
I don't agree with the take because it makes it sound like coaches have figured him out and that's what's causing his drop in play, when I'm in the camp that Deebo and Williams being out are the bigger issue.
What that says about how good they actually are if they tank without 1 or 2 players, I don't know. But I do believe the offense will look MUCH better when they're back, and Purdys play will elevate closer to what it was before the Cleveland game.
No worries, we'll disagree if you don't think coaches find ways to limit players once they've seen enough film. I think Purdy will be fine, too. But it's pretty common for a team to identify things they're seeing and ways to scheme against a player once they get a good amount of tape on them. Especially for a player like Purdy that relies so heavily on scheme. It's the way of the NFL as it ebbs and flows. I also am not convinced he's 100% right after the concussion but that's obviously speculation on my part.
And in turn, great coaches like Shanahan adapt to the adaptations and move forward.
That's a good point. It's the NFL, no team has all their players. And even without Samuel and Williams, Purdy is working with a STACKED roster.
If he can't deliver with the excellent roster he had yesterday, then yes, he could be in big trouble. I think he'll be ok.
efactor
Footballguy
Well, losing the unquestioned best LT is pretty big and Deebo is a huge part of the offensive scheme. Not your normal WR routes.
They were still a relative chip shot field goal on the last play of the game from winning on the road against a decent Browns team. Vikings games was very winnable if not for DC losing his mind right before halftime. Bengals definitely outplayed them, but having Williams and Deebo definitely could have made it a different game against a team rested off their bye. Bengals are finally healthy and now an elite team.
Wingnut
Footballguy
49ers DL pressures (PFF):
Bosa: 9
Ferrell: 5
Armstead: 4
Hargrave: 3
Kinlaw: 1
Gregory: 1
There is something seriously off with coverage combinations if a QB completes 19 passes in a row vs pressure numbers like this.
Bosa: 9
Ferrell: 5
Armstead: 4
Hargrave: 3
Kinlaw: 1
Gregory: 1
There is something seriously off with coverage combinations if a QB completes 19 passes in a row vs pressure numbers like this.
Wingnut
Footballguy
49ers OL pressures allowed (PFF):
Jake Brendel: 3
Spencer Burford: 3
Jaylon Moore: 2
Aaron Banks: 2
Colton McKivitz: 1
There was also the dire struggle to pick up just 1 yard in the run game when it was needed for the second straight game without Trent Williams.
Jake Brendel: 3
Spencer Burford: 3
Jaylon Moore: 2
Aaron Banks: 2
Colton McKivitz: 1
There was also the dire struggle to pick up just 1 yard in the run game when it was needed for the second straight game without Trent Williams.
efactor
Footballguy
For sure. When you give up the farm to move up for a QB, he better hit.
Hated the trade when they made it. Too much to give up to move to #3 without a sure thing QB being available.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Talk about falling off a cliff:
In the first five weeks, the Niners had given up an average of 49.4 yards after contact per game (2nd best in the league).
The last three weeks, that number has jumped to 100.7 yards after contact per game (2nd worst in the league).
And it's almost a dead even split of those 100 yards after contact in the ground game and in the pass game.
In the first five weeks, the Niners had given up an average of 49.4 yards after contact per game (2nd best in the league).
The last three weeks, that number has jumped to 100.7 yards after contact per game (2nd worst in the league).
And it's almost a dead even split of those 100 yards after contact in the ground game and in the pass game.
These feel fake.
I think Purdy is fine and is still a promising young QB. The defense may right the ship. This team had me excited though because I thought it had an offense that, between Purdy and Shanahan and all the weapons, could keep up in a shootout for the first time since Kaepernick’s brief prime. That’s just not the case right now (that doesn’t mean Purdy sucks), and I don’t think they can count on being healthier for the playoffs. They aren’t going to beat one of the 3-4 other best teams in the league without the offense being more potent.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Dammit
Aaron Banks emerged from the game with turf toe and will miss a "few weeks," according to Kyle Shanahan. Jon Feliciano is the next man up at guard.
Aaron Banks emerged from the game with turf toe and will miss a "few weeks," according to Kyle Shanahan. Jon Feliciano is the next man up at guard.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Kyle Shanahan said that he and Steve Wilks will discuss Wilks moving onto the field during games, and if Wilks thinks it will help him, then he'll move down there.
efactor
Footballguy
Good god
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Guy would be better off in the parking lot, completely useless.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I’m just hopeful the woes are now and we fix this in time to make a run.
Meanwhile, Max Crosby looks like what I hoped Bosa would be this season and Bosa looks like Vernon Gholston in his prime.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Below are Pro Football Focus' five highest-graded 49ers players on offense against the Bengals.
Below are the five highest-graded 49ers players on defense.
Defensive tackle Javon Kinlaw finds himself among the three lowest-graded defensive players for the third time this season. He finished the game with one tackle and a quarterback hit.
Why is Kalia Davis inactive every week while this guy keeps getting snaps? Davis looked like a good run stuffer in camp. I don't get it.
- George Kittle, TE, 83.9, 55 snaps
- Christian McCaffrey, RB, 82.9, 57 snaps
- Brandon Aiyuk, WR, 79.3, 54 snaps
- Brock Purdy, QB, 72.7, 59 snaps
- Colton McKivitz, RT, 69.4, 59 snaps
- Ronnie Bell, WR, 44.7, 5 snaps
- Spencer Burford, RG, 46.1, 59 snaps
- Jauan Jennings, WR, 47.2, 50 snaps
Below are the five highest-graded 49ers players on defense.
- Clelin Ferrell, DE, 89.4, 37 snaps
- Oren Burks, LB, 73.4, 9 snaps
- Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles, LB, 69.7, 2 snaps
- Talanoa Hufanga, FS, 68.6, 63 snaps
- Fred Warner, LB, 67.8, 63 snaps
- Javon Kinlaw, DT, 40.9, 17 snaps
- Dre Greenlaw, LB, 41.0, 60 snaps
- Tashaun Gipson Sr., FS, 51.1, 63 snaps
Defensive tackle Javon Kinlaw finds himself among the three lowest-graded defensive players for the third time this season. He finished the game with one tackle and a quarterback hit.
Why is Kalia Davis inactive every week while this guy keeps getting snaps? Davis looked like a good run stuffer in camp. I don't get it.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
A few snippets from Shanahans conference call with reporters Tuesday:
Will you consider making a change at quarterback during the Bye week and if not why?
"No."
Why?
"Because no one just changes their quarterback for no reason."
what a dumb question
DL Nick Bosa played 100-percent of the snaps, which is unique for a defensive lineman. Is there any backstory to that? Did he request that he not come out during the game like he usually does?
"No, we play him the most. We thought he could handle it. It seems like he was handling it through the game and also knowing we had this week off, especially the way it ended when we were down and having to get them off the field. We didn't feel there was any time that we wanted to take him off and he seemed up for the challenge."
Houston, we've found a problem. So Shanahan isn't rotating Bosa out much at all. I looked at their previous games and he's only been out a few snaps per game since the Dallas game.
Last season he played 70% of defensive snaps, and this season he's at 80%, and that includes a slow ramp up the first 4 weeks. The last 4 games he's been in over 90% of snaps.
No wonder he's been off, he needs breathers, especially since every defensive drive has been long and the total number of defensive snaps have been higher than they're used to having.
No other DE has more than 53% of snaps this season, so theres plenty of rested guys to give Bosa a breather on early downs.
Like CMC, Kyle is gonna run Bosa into the ground.
Will you consider making a change at quarterback during the Bye week and if not why?
"No."
Why?
"Because no one just changes their quarterback for no reason."
what a dumb questionDL Nick Bosa played 100-percent of the snaps, which is unique for a defensive lineman. Is there any backstory to that? Did he request that he not come out during the game like he usually does?
"No, we play him the most. We thought he could handle it. It seems like he was handling it through the game and also knowing we had this week off, especially the way it ended when we were down and having to get them off the field. We didn't feel there was any time that we wanted to take him off and he seemed up for the challenge."
Houston, we've found a problem. So Shanahan isn't rotating Bosa out much at all. I looked at their previous games and he's only been out a few snaps per game since the Dallas game.
Last season he played 70% of defensive snaps, and this season he's at 80%, and that includes a slow ramp up the first 4 weeks. The last 4 games he's been in over 90% of snaps.
No wonder he's been off, he needs breathers, especially since every defensive drive has been long and the total number of defensive snaps have been higher than they're used to having.
No other DE has more than 53% of snaps this season, so theres plenty of rested guys to give Bosa a breather on early downs.
Like CMC, Kyle is gonna run Bosa into the ground.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I think your 2nd post is the contagion from your first. Pretty astute analysis on Wilks, and their solution is just playing endless Bosa hoping that gets pressure sending 4.
You don’t just send 4 85% of the time and expect a good QB like Burrow and any half competent OC to not shred you when you’re that predictable. It’s all Wilks! As I stated above, one of a long list of front office blunders!
Front office either makes fantastic moves or absolutely awful moves, nothing in the middle, and fantastic hasn’t been enough to offset the terrible and bring home a ring. The Bosa usage also explains why he’s been invisible more or less.
You don’t just send 4 85% of the time and expect a good QB like Burrow and any half competent OC to not shred you when you’re that predictable. It’s all Wilks! As I stated above, one of a long list of front office blunders!
Front office either makes fantastic moves or absolutely awful moves, nothing in the middle, and fantastic hasn’t been enough to offset the terrible and bring home a ring. The Bosa usage also explains why he’s been invisible more or less.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
The good news is that these are obvious problems, we’re not decimated by injuries, and identifying this stuff in October is better than in January.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Sports Books refuse to budge on the Niners either, still a 3 headed race with them, Birds, Chiefs so I think they see this as a mid season bump in the road.
For a second+ more picks (reportedly) and then they’d have to give out a big contract to keep him for more than 9 games? No thanks. Keep the picks and build something sustainable. Shanahan and Lynch are under contract for a long time.
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