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*** San Francisco 49ers *** Turn out the lights, the party's over. (13 Viewers)

Wingnut said:
Per Shanahan today:

QB Brock Purdy did some light throwing today without issue

LB Dre Greenlaw’s practice window opens up this week and should return to practice on Wednesday

The 49ers are waiting on the results from CB Deommodore Lenoir’s MRI he had on his knee

Aaron Banks is in the concussion protocol and Dominick Puni needs a shoulder MRI

Jon Feliciano season is officially over as he will not be activated from IR

WR Jacob Cowing is still in the concussion protocol

DT Kevin Givens (groin) has a chance to return to practice this week

DE Nick Bosa (oblique) and OT Trent Williams (ankle) are also still going to be monitored day to day this week. kyle Shanahan hopes it goes better for both than it did last week.

Renardo Green and DFF are day to day
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Did he say anything about how they got their butts kicked by the Packers?

- Packers Homer
 
Brad Graham:

I think we are all trying to rationalize this season but at the end of the day, the way last year ended was a huge emotional let down that went right into contractual turmoil that lasted all the way through camp

Anyone of us who covered camp would discuss how the vibes were off, highlighted most by 8/7 day being one of the worst training camp practices I’ve seen in my years of doing this which coincided with the BA drama being at its peak

So seeing how this season has played out, it’s hard to be surprised as they only suffered more emotional let downs highlight by multiple 4th quarter collapses vs division opponents that are unfortunately reminiscent of both Super Bowl losses

We can dive into the X’s & O’s all we want but I think this team is and has been emotionally drained, making multiple late postseason runs that have ended in absolute heartbreak

I for one can understand that this can be a huge challenge to overcome and it might be as simple as that — these guys seem mentally exhausted I don’t blame them for that


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Spin said:
The biggest issue this team is having, (IMO) is the defense. It's just not very good. Even in the bad offensive years, our defense has always held it together. I may have recency bias, but I don't remember having such little faith in our D to stop anyone.
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Wingnut posted a stat about Seahawks yards per play with and without Bosa on the field (something like 3.x versus 6.x iirc). He might not be as dominant as he was for the prior couple of seasons, but he’s still a top 5 DE and a game wrecker. To me, as far as I can remember, the scheme has been rush 4. When you have others that are good role players, a healthy rotation, it can work; this year, we’re seeing what happens when the personnel isn’t capable of doing that.

Fred Warner is a monster who I love as much as I did Willis, but he’s our only LB this season. While the secondary isn’t the weak link, they’re nothing special and fit right in. We have 1 monster at each level of the front 7, but I’d almost argue the secondary as a whole is the strongest of the 3 units. Amazing to even think that after the last couple of seasons. Regardless, this defense resembles nothing of years past.
 
Wingnut said:
I wonder what happens to Jeff Ulbrich at the end of the year? He took over a Jets defense that ranked near last and turned them into a top 10 unit in one season. Maybe he'd want to come home.
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Well this is timely.

Insider can envision 49ers targeting this defensive coach in the offseason (spoiler alert, it's Ulbrich):

Link
 
Wingnut said:
Wingnut said:
I wonder what happens to Jeff Ulbrich at the end of the year? He took over a Jets defense that ranked near last and turned them into a top 10 unit in one season. Maybe he'd want to come home.
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Well this is timely.

Insider can envision 49ers targeting this defensive coach in the offseason (spoiler alert, it's Ulbrich):

Link
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Sure one can envision Ulbrich as the next DC. Problem is he will still be another wrong choice.
 
This is crazy! How wrong wow

The 49ers are the consensus favorites to win Super Bowl LIX, coming in at +550 on ESPN BET

www.espn.com

Niners open as favorites to win Super Bowl in '25

The 49ers are favored to win the next Super Bowl, followed by the Chiefs, Ravens and Bills. After that, the Lions, Bengals, Cowboys, Eagles and Dolphins are all in the next echelon -- and of couse, a lot can change between now and September.
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need2know said:
This is crazy! How wrong wow

The 49ers are the consensus favorites to win Super Bowl LIX, coming in at +550 on ESPN BET

www.espn.com

Niners open as favorites to win Super Bowl in '25

The 49ers are favored to win the next Super Bowl, followed by the Chiefs, Ravens and Bills. After that, the Lions, Bengals, Cowboys, Eagles and Dolphins are all in the next echelon -- and of couse, a lot can change between now and September.
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I mean, the Cowboys are also on that list.
 
Wingnut said:
Fred Warner PFF grades in 2024. He was playing like a DPOY until he suffered an ankle injury in Week 4 against New England and has fell off a cliff since.

vs NYJ: 92.6
at MIN: 95.8
at LAR: 71.5
vs NE: 96.6 (injured ankle)
vs AZ: 54.0
at SEA: 61.4
vs KC: 65.0
vs DAL: 72.8
at TB: 69.7
vs SEA: 67.3
at GB: 44.7
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Report: 49ers’ Fred Warner has been playing through an ankle fracture since week 4​


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Report: 49ers' Fred Warner has been playing through an ankle fracture

San Francisco 49ers linebacker Fred Warner began the season looking like a strong contender for NFL Defensive Player of the Year. However, his performance has...
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Just shut everyone down and evaluate the players we have, it's not worth risking further injuries.

Wed practice report

DNP
Aaron Banks
Nick Bosa
Jordan Elliott
Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles
Deommodore Lenoir
Christian McCaffrey
Trent Williams

LTD
Kevin Givens
Renardo Green
Dre Greenlaw
Dominick Puni
Brock Purdy

Trent Williams was using a knee scooter to move around the locker room today. Even walking has been painful for him.
 
Is Purdy playing Sunday?

If he sits, I will sit CMC. Have to decide between him and ARSB .. yeah I know I am "loaded" I am 6-6 and need a win with Barkley, JJacobs, and Collins locked into my lineup.
 
Kyle Shanahan on Brock Purdy’s availability for Sunday:

“Lots of things can happen between now and then, but right now he's playing.”

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OUT Sunday

Trent WIlliams
Nick Bosa
Aaron Banks
Jordan Elliott
Deommodore Lenoir

Dre Greenlaw has an outside chance of playing in week 14, per Kyle Shanahan

He said it’s more realistic for him to play week 15 against the Rams
 
Aaron Banks won't play vs Buffalo (concussion), so the 49ers will need a new starting left guard. Available depth beyond Banks:

Spencer Burford
Nick Zakelj
Ben Bartch
 
Kyle Shanahan tells reporters that RB Christian McCaffrey suffered a PCL injury that could end his season.
 
Wingnut said:
<YAWN>

Is it 2025 yet?
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I mean, its unlikely, but 2 back with 5 to go, and they could end up with tiebreakers if they beat the Rams and Cardinals and Seattle doesn't. Other than the Lions, I feel like all the remaining games are winnable, but yeah, they need Williams/Bosa. They need Mason to play like he did early, they need Kittle involved, but I think its still too early to say the season is over. The Rams were further back than this last year after week 13.
 
I think it's a bit too early to "shut it all down". Other than McCaffrey, everyone who can play SHOULD play as they are not out of it yet. It's going to be a long road and they'll need some help from other teams most likely but the season is not over for them yet.
 
Watching the highlights this morning and I can't remember a team that is supposed to have so much talent and coaching looking so awful
 
BladeRunner said:
I think it's a bit too early to "shut it all down". Other than McCaffrey, everyone who can play SHOULD play as they are not out of it yet. It's going to be a long road and they'll need some help from other teams most likely but the season is not over for them yet.
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Even if they somehow make the playoffs, they're a one and done team IMO. No reason for optimism at this point.

I think they'll be fine next season, but Shanahan needs to get back in the lab and cook up some new concepts, his offense is pretty stale these days. Remember when he used to scheme people open and confuse defenses with all the motion and window dressing? He needs to get back to doing that.

Hopefully they hire a competent DC and ST coach too. I'd wish for an actual offensive coordinator to call plays, but Kyle ain't giving that up.
 
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2 bright spots:

DT Evan Anderson and LG Ben Bartch both looked pretty good.

Anderson was SFs highest graded defensive player, and Bartch was the 2nd highest graded player on offense behind Puni. Bartch was top 5 last week as well, and Anderson had flashed and had made some nice plays and should be starting next season out of the gate.
 
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Wingnut said:
Trent and his wife lost two babies.

Trent Williams and his wife just announced that they lost twin boys. One earlier in the pregnancy and the other was born lifeless on November 24th.

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Just unimaginable 😪
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I just saw this story. That's the worst thing I've ever heard. I feel so terrible for him and his wife. I hope they can recover. 😥
 
Insein said:
Wingnut said:
Trent and his wife lost two babies.

Trent Williams and his wife just announced that they lost twin boys. One earlier in the pregnancy and the other was born lifeless on November 24th.

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Just unimaginable 😪
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I just saw this story. That's the worst thing I've ever heard. I feel so terrible for him and his wife. I hope they can recover. 😥
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Prayers for him and his wife .. terrible news.
 
I think the rest of the season is important for Purdy’s contract valuation. I know the team is decimated, but a $50-60 million QB needs to be able to will the rest of this roster to a win over the likes of the Bears, at minimum. If he falls apart down the stretch we have an answer about him.
 
thecatch said:
I think the rest of the season is important for Purdy’s contract valuation. I know the team is decimated, but a $50-60 million QB needs to be able to will the rest of this roster to a win over the likes of the Bears, at minimum. If he falls apart down the stretch we have an answer about him.
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Yeah. I love Purdy and all, but I think having him play next year under the rookie contract is the best move for the team, unless he is willing to sign a fairly team friendly extension. If he plays well, then talk extension or FT for a year. Plenty of time to work something out
 
thecatch said:
Wingnut said:
Lately Im wondering if they pay Purdy this offseason, or if they keep him on his rookie deal in 2025 and then have the option to tag him in 2026 so they can have one more season of cheap QB play.

After the 2025 season, who knows what QBs might be on the market. I can see a scenario where they go after a different QB instead of paying Purdy, depending on who's available.

We all know Kyle loves Kirk Cousins, and Atlanta has an out in his contact after 2025. Just sayin.
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Purdy would have to be really bad the rest of the season.
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Suddenly it doesn't seem so crazy that they might hold off on giving Purdy a big contract this offseason.
 
Updated 49ers defensive rankings

4th passing yards
5th yards
11th turnovers
11th passing TDs
15th rushing yards
16th 4th downs
24th points
26th 3rd downs
28th 4th quarter scoring
31st rushing TDs
31st red zone


Kyle Shanahan on DC Nick Sorensen:
"I am very satisfied with Nick."

:crazy:
 
Wingnut said:
Updated 49ers defensive rankings

4th passing yards
5th yards
11th turnovers
11th passing TDs
15th rushing yards
16th 4th downs
24th points
26th 3rd downs
28th 4th quarter scoring
31st rushing TDs
31st red zone


Kyle Shanahan on DC Nick Sorensen:
"I am very satisfied with Nick."

:crazy:
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KS should be fired just for that line right there honestly
If you can't see how stale the 49ers D is as a head coach then you shouldn't be a head coach
 
kface said:
Wingnut said:
Updated 49ers defensive rankings

4th passing yards
5th yards
11th turnovers
11th passing TDs
15th rushing yards
16th 4th downs
24th points
26th 3rd downs
28th 4th quarter scoring
31st rushing TDs
31st red zone


Kyle Shanahan on DC Nick Sorensen:
"I am very satisfied with Nick."

:crazy:
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KS should be fired just for that line right there honestly
If you can't see how stale the 49ers D is as a head coach then you shouldn't be a head coach
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Like a broken record.

Shanahan isn't going anywhere unless he wants to. Actually enjoy seeing 49er fans triggered over this. Hilarious at this point :hifive:
 
Wingnut said:
Updated 49ers defensive rankings

4th passing yards
5th yards
11th turnovers
11th passing TDs
15th rushing yards
16th 4th downs
24th points
26th 3rd downs
28th 4th quarter scoring
31st rushing TDs
31st red zone


Kyle Shanahan on DC Nick Sorensen:
"I am very satisfied with Nick."

:crazy:
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He said he's fine Sorensen as a DC but he's not fine with the defense in general. That just means he recognizes the talent sucks, which is true. The Niners have Bosa, an injured Warner operating at 60%, (edit: Lenoir), and then 8 guys who are raw young players, journeyman vets, or true replacement level players. Belichick wouldn't be having a good year with this group.
 
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Brian Baldinger on 49ers DC Nick Sorensen's lack of creativity:

"You gotta have the horses to scheme some of this up, but if you have no horses you better figure out some scheme where you're getting a free hitter, and I don't see any of that. I see Arizona doing that over and over and they just out-scheme their opponents, but I don't see any of that at all. I don't see that type of creativity at all from Nick."

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Wingnut said:
Brian Baldinger on 49ers DC Nick Sorensen's lack of creativity:

"You gotta have the horses to scheme some of this up, but if you have no horses you better figure out some scheme where you're getting a free hitter, and I don't see any of that. I see Arizona doing that over and over and they just out-scheme their opponents, but I don't see any of that at all. I don't see that type of creativity at all from Nick."

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That’s been a shared weakness of every defensive coordinator they’ve had since at least Fangio and maybe further back than that.
 
thecatch said:
Wingnut said:
Brian Baldinger on 49ers DC Nick Sorensen's lack of creativity:

"You gotta have the horses to scheme some of this up, but if you have no horses you better figure out some scheme where you're getting a free hitter, and I don't see any of that. I see Arizona doing that over and over and they just out-scheme their opponents, but I don't see any of that at all. I don't see that type of creativity at all from Nick."

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That’s been a shared weakness of every defensive coordinator they’ve had since at least Fangio and maybe further back than that.
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Yep. Said the same things about Salah and Ryans. Wilks got blasted too.
 
efactor said:
thecatch said:
Wingnut said:
Brian Baldinger on 49ers DC Nick Sorensen's lack of creativity:

"You gotta have the horses to scheme some of this up, but if you have no horses you better figure out some scheme where you're getting a free hitter, and I don't see any of that. I see Arizona doing that over and over and they just out-scheme their opponents, but I don't see any of that at all. I don't see that type of creativity at all from Nick."

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That’s been a shared weakness of every defensive coordinator they’ve had since at least Fangio and maybe further back than that.
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Yep. Said the same things about Salah and Ryans. Wilks got blasted too.
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Except their defenses were good overall. They've fallen off a cliff under Sorenson.

Some if it is personnel, some is injuries, some is scheme. His job along with Staley is to figure it out.
 
Wingnut said:
efactor said:
thecatch said:
Wingnut said:
Brian Baldinger on 49ers DC Nick Sorensen's lack of creativity:

"You gotta have the horses to scheme some of this up, but if you have no horses you better figure out some scheme where you're getting a free hitter, and I don't see any of that. I see Arizona doing that over and over and they just out-scheme their opponents, but I don't see any of that at all. I don't see that type of creativity at all from Nick."

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That’s been a shared weakness of every defensive coordinator they’ve had since at least Fangio and maybe further back than that.
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Yep. Said the same things about Salah and Ryans. Wilks got blasted too.
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Except their defenses were good overall. They've fallen off a cliff under Sorenson.

Some if it is personnel, some is injuries, some is scheme. His job along with Staley is to figure it out.
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It's at least largely personnel. There's nowhere near the talent on this defense as I explained above.
 
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