San Francisco teacher says Bernie Sanders' mittens epitomized White 'male privilege' (1 Viewer)

[Sea Duck]

Bernie doesn't care. He wears crappy suits, his hair isn't combed, it's his thing.

But this isn't about Bernie not caring. This is about Bernie being able to not care. 

Bernie is able to not care because he is a longtime Senator, he is old, and because he has an established base of supporters. The same things would be true if he were African American or if he were a woman.

 

[FairWarning]

Joe - who is wearing what against their wishes to meet expected norms?  I guess I need a frame of reference that is offending the teacher.

 

[sho nuff]

If only there was an example of a frumpy old woman who attended the same inauguration as Bernie -- then we could compare apples to apples.  Oh well, maybe next time.

Definitely a good example.   And probably more due to age where yes...older will not be criticized (nor should Bernie be).

As Insaid...I think there is fair commentary somewhere in there about how we look at appearances...but definitely this teacher went way out there.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Joe - who is wearing what against their wishes to meet expected norms?  I guess I need a frame of reference that is offending the teacher.

Thanks. It's more stuff like this. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dressing-black-self-censorship_l_5ee7761fc5b6c2be9cb906c2

Yes, it's Huffpost. But this is the perspective lots of people have on it. 

All to say, I don't think the Teacher writing about Bernie Sanders is taking a fringe position. 

 

[dawgtrails]

But this isn't about Bernie not caring. This is about Bernie being able to not care. 

Very succinctly put

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I think there is a discussion to be had about who is allowed to be “authentic” and who isn’t. And the ways that race and (more so, IMO) gender play into that 

I did not think the inauguration was a very good example of that, in part because Janet Yellin got much of the same meme treatment and part because I just didn’t buy the characterization of Bernie’s dress or demeanor as disrespectful. 
 

When the issue first came up on Twitter, I just took it as another example of some of the scars in the party that the 2016 primary caused. That’s a complicated issue. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I think there is a discussion to be had about who is allowed to be “authentic” and who isn’t. And the ways that race and (more so, IMO) gender play into that 

I did not think the inauguration was a very good example of that, in part because Janet Yellin got much of the same meme treatment and part because I just didn’t buy the characterization of Bernie’s dress or demeanor as disrespectful. 
 

When the issue first came up on Twitter, I just took it as another example of some of the scars in the party that the 2016 primary caused. That’s a complicated issue. 

Yeah, the lady's general point is one that I agree with.  I can step into a classroom and start lecturing while dressed as casually as I please, and students will still assume that I know what I'm talking about in part because because I'm a white guy.  (My rugged good looks and chiseled physique help too of course, but that's tangential to the topic at hand).  I'm completely confident that many of my female colleagues would get snide remarks if they tried to dress similarly.  Gender double-standards are definitely a thing.  Same for race.

But Bernie Sanders is a really bad example here.  This is a guy who spent his entire public life cultivating this type of an image, and it's part of his charm.  It's not really accurate to make him out to be some random senator who just happened to show up a little underdressed.  

 

[FairWarning]

Thanks. It's more stuff like this. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dressing-black-self-censorship_l_5ee7761fc5b6c2be9cb906c2

Yes, it's Huffpost. But this is the perspective lots of people have on it. 

All to say, I don't think the Teacher writing about Bernie Sanders is taking a fringe position. 

I have never heard of this before, thanks for the link.  Thank God I live in a small town, we don't have these problems.  Seems like too many people are worried how others perceive them.  

One of the previous posts nailed it pretty well about how would a woman in Bernies situation be judged.  Personally I think any of these people with power or money will always judged different - and they don't care.  I doubt Snoop Dogg is sweating over how he dresses or the perception of it.  

 

[parasaurolophus]

Yeah, the lady's general point is one that I agree with.  I can step into a classroom and start lecturing while dressed as casually as I please, and students will still assume that I know what I'm talking about in part because because I'm a white guy.  (My rugged good looks and chiseled physique help too of course, but that's tangential to the topic at hand).  I'm completely confident that many of my female colleagues would get snide remarks if they tried to dress similarly.  Gender double-standards are definitely a thing.  Same for race.

But Bernie Sanders is a really bad example here.  This is a guy who spent his entire public life cultivating this type of an image, and it's part of his charm.  It's not really accurate to make him out to be some random senator who just happened to show up a little underdressed.  

Most of the criticism would come from female students. More likely to get negative reviews from female students too. 

 

[dawgtrails]

I have never heard of this before, thanks for the link.  Thank God I live in a small town, we don't have these problems.  Seems like too many people are worried how others perceive them.  

Well, when someone's perception of you can alter your job prospect, or your likelihood of being stopped by police, or a host of other things, I can't really blame anyone for worrying.

And just because you live in a small town does not mean you don't have these issues

 

[The General]

Thanks. It's more stuff like this. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dressing-black-self-censorship_l_5ee7761fc5b6c2be9cb906c2

Yes, it's Huffpost. But this is the perspective lots of people have on it. 

All to say, I don't think the Teacher writing about Bernie Sanders is taking a fringe position. 

Really? I think her opinion is fringe and cringeworthy. 

There is white privileged but this is a really poor example. 

 

[The General]

I have never heard of this before, thanks for the link.  Thank God I live in a small town, we don't have these problems.  Seems like too many people are worried how others perceive them.  

One of the previous posts nailed it pretty well about how would a woman in Bernies situation be judged.  Personally I think any of these people with power or money will always judged different - and they don't care.  I doubt Snoop Dogg is sweating over how he dresses or the perception of it.  

I live in a very progressive area. I think many of my neighbors would eyeroll this woman’s perspective big time. 

 

[Manster]

https://mindmatters.ai/2021/02/yes-there-really-is-a-war-on-math-in-our-schools/

Extreme leftists have completely infiltrated our public school system. 

My wife and I acknowledge how our country was built.  We want our children to understand the autracities.  I believe in my heart, that that is how me move on in a positive direction.....by PARENTS teaching their children to be good people......those children will then become leaders who will make good decisions, and policy......these extreme leftists want to completely tear down the "western cis-male patriarchy".  They hate America, and everything it stands for.  It is not the way, imo. 

My wife and I are having some difficult conversations about the future of our children's education options.

 

[Da Guru]

https://mindmatters.ai/2021/02/yes-there-really-is-a-war-on-math-in-our-schools/

Extreme leftists have completely infiltrated our public school system. 

My wife and I acknowledge how our country was built.  We want our children to understand the autracities.  I believe in my heart, that that is how me move on in a positive direction.....by PARENTS teaching their children to be good people......those children will then become leaders who will make good decisions, and policy......these extreme leftists want to completely tear down the "western cis-male patriarchy".  They hate America, and everything it stands for.  It is not the way, imo. 

My wife and I are having some difficult conversations about the future of our children's education options.

Ideological subversion has waged psychological warfare for decades now.   It is a slow process that takes a very long time. 

 

[Manster]

Ideological subversion has waged psychological warfare for decades now.   It is a slow process that takes a very long time. 

Right, and now its picking up steam, big time.  Which just happens to coincide with my kids being in school.....yay

 

[rockaction]

There are about 200M adults in the US.  If 1% of adults hold bizarre and delusional beliefs, that's 2M nuts out there.  In the olden days, you would bump into one of those people from time to time but it probably wasn't a regular occurrence.  Today, though, those people have access to social media.  It turns out that nuts are drawn to hot takes, and the social media infrastructure operates as if it were intentionally designed to amplify these folks.  Sane, level-headed analysis gets read and forgotten, but crazy-wild insanity gets re-tweeted to the heavens.  

There's nothing wrong with laughing at this person -- it's probably healthy to laugh off nutty opinions.  But it's not healthy to turn episodes like this into a Two Minutes Hate, because mathematically somebody similarly nutty is going to show up in your feed basically every day and it's not good for anyone's psychological well-being to walk around outraged all the time.

Notice all the lefties on the board liked this post. It's because they know their extreme is ####### crazy as all get out and it has infiltrated the op-ed pages and schools to reveal itself for what it is.

 

[squistion]

Notice all the lefties on the board liked this post. It's because they know their extreme is ####### crazy as all get out and it has infiltrated the op-ed pages and schools to reveal itself for what it is.

I think you and jon_mx get way too hung up with the number of likes a post receives and and then reading into that what you think it actually means. 

 

[KarmaPolice]

I think you and jon_mx get way too hung up with the number of likes a post receives and and then reading into that what you think it actually means. 

I am sure they like being told what they think too.  

 

[squistion]

I am sure they like being told what they think too.  

They are expressing exactly what they think the likes mean.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Notice all the lefties on the board liked this post. It's because they know their extreme is ####### crazy as all get out and it has infiltrated the op-ed pages and schools to reveal itself for what it is.

I thought people liked my posts because of my rugged good looks . . .

 

[rockaction]

I thought people liked my posts because of my rugged good looks . . .

Sort of. But then I remember we're a predominantly heterosexual and male group. At least it appears that way. But it's quite possible that it's the Indiana Jones-like sway you hold over us with your use of the written language. Maybe that'll assuage the ol' ego, eh man?

 

[Terminalxylem]

I don't think the bolded is true and I think it goes exactly to Ivan's point.  Lots of sane, level-headed analysis exists, and lots of the "supposedly sane, level-headed people" are performing the proper analysis and response.  The issue is that the correct analysis and response is to simply ignore it, but when 90% or 95% or 99% ignore it, there's no tweet or Facebook post or article showing that John Doe specifically ignored it.  It's only the overreactions that appear in our feeds.  Those overreactions, and the counter-reactions to those overreactions, are then what generates clicks.  All of this goes back to Ivan's point.  Even when 99% of the world reacts appropriately, it's the 1% that the rest of us need to shrug off and ignore.

You’re absolutely correct, but you should’ve ignored his (predictable) overreaction to the OP.