Santana Moss benched himself...Who's running the team? (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Santana apparently was so disgusted with himself that he told Keenan mcCardell to finish the game...it's up on the internet, don't ask for a link.

1. Who is in charge of that team? When does a player decide they get the rest of the day off when the game is hanging in the balance. I would have ordered Moss back on the field, told him to suck it up and start catching the ball...maybe even throw him a couple of screens just to get him going.

2. He was quoted as saying he will now find out what he is made of to bounce back from a game like this...I can tell you Santana...NOT MUCH!!! You find out what you are made of during the game when your team needs you, and now we all know the aanswer to that. You ran away and hid, you ordered another player to take your spot, that tells me you are mostly a coward. Think Steve Smith would remove himself from a game? How bout Owens, R.Moss, or Chad Johnson? Gutless IMO.

 

[Texican]

Wow. That is pretty shocking. I wonder if he will be benched in favor of McCardell.

 

[Pound]

Santana will be fine. Players often aren't at full speed the first game back from an injury. He had a horrible game there is no diputing that, but he's still their best WR and will be back. As a Santana owner I'm not worried.

 

[Zow]

Tough call here for a coach IMO. You got a guy you'd want out there for his talent, but do you really want him out there when his confidence his shot? As I'd coach I'd want someone out there giving 100 percent. Either way, I'd be disgusted.

ETA: And Randy Moss has taken himself out of games before.

 

[numberSE7EN]

I agree and disagree. Personally I would never take my self out of a game. Although if he thought McCardell could do better and help the team win, he could play the team player card. Sometimes you have bad days and just cant catch.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) -First Santana Moss benched himself, then blamed himself for the Redskins' 17-14 loss to the Green Bay Packers on Sunday. His Washington teammates declined to pile on, saying Moss was being too critical of his play.

``I just didn't feel right. I took myself out,'' said Moss, who left the game shortly after a costly fumble. ``Something wasn't feeling right with me and why go out there and keep another guy from helping us win? ... I wasn't making the plays that I should have been making.''

Moss finished without a catch and allowed the go-ahead touchdown when he fumbled on a reverse that Charles Woodson picked up and returned 57 yards with 2:05 left in the third quarter.

``I can go home and sit there and probably break my TV based on what I'm going to see tonight,'' Moss said. ``I know that's not the solution.''

Despite a cramp in his leg, Moss kept the focus solely on his miserable performance, which included several uncharacteristic dropped passes.

``I'm going to blame me first,'' Moss said. ``I look at myself way harder than any of you guys do or really harder than any teammate or coach is going to.''

While Moss' honesty was refreshing, the truth was all the Redskins squandered multiple opportunities after looking in control with a 14-7 halftime lead.

``We all know that when you play as hard as he does there may be days like this that come up for you,'' Redskins coach Joe Gibbs said. ``It's not any one guy, and I never look at it as any one guy. We had a lot of things happen to us today in a lot of different areas. It's Redskins together. It certainly wasn't any one player.''

Washington went 0-for-7 on third down and 0-for-2 on fourth down in the second half and dropped at least eight passes during the game. It became apparent early in the third quarter that the momentum had shifted.

Jason Campbell found James Thrash for a 40-yard play that was nullified by offsetting penalties, including pass interference on Thrash. Moss couldn't catch the next pass in double coverage and Washington was forced to punt.

Moss also dropped another deep toss down the right side with 48 seconds left in the third quarter, and decided to let Keenan McCardell take his place. McCardell finished with two receptions for 30 yards, but Washington receivers only caught four of Campbell's 37 throws.

``He is a great person, and I don't want the city or anyone else to say anything bad about him or get down on him,'' Campbell said of Moss.

Moss, who signed a six-year, $31 million contract in 2005 after being traded from the Jets, hopes to forget about his bad day and bounce back quickly.

``I never had a game like this and I hope I never have another one,'' he said. ``You've got to dig within and see what you have.''

There, I didn't want to misquote him...takes himself out of the game...and wants to see what he has...got it.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It doesn't mention anything about his groin, or back...a leg cramp is briefly mentioned...this league has gotten to be such a unch of wussies. Remember Youngblood playing with a broken leg for the Rams? Wonder if a cramp would have slowed him down?

I'm gonna go watch All in the Family and have a stogie.

 

[jesseasi]

I wished he benched himself sooner. Like after a very catchable ball went through his hands and was intercepted in the 1st half. Redskins probably would have won.

There was definately something wrong with him today. Looked like a deer in headlights every time I saw him on TV. Like he head was elseware.

I really hope this was just a bad day and he gets over it. Redskins will need him to make plays if they are to get back on the winning track.

 

[thayman]

I wished he benched himself sooner. Like after a very catchable ball went through his hands and was intercepted in the 1st half. Redskins probably would have won. There was definately something wrong with him today. Looked like a deer in headlights every time I saw him on TV. Like he head was elseware.I really hope this was just a bad day and he gets over it. Redskins will need him to make plays if they are to get back on the winning track.

He just didn't look right at all.

 

[spitkickers]

Nice. Guess when I go to work tomorrow and hit a computer I can't fix inside of 45 minutes, I'll just pull myself out and apologize to my team and tell them to pick up the slack for the rest of the day.

Granted, small potatoes comparison, but put it on a large stage, and I think it's worse.

get out there and get your sh%% straight, Santana. Tiger Woods doesn't pull himself out at the 12th hole because he hasn't hit a birdie yet.

This attitude bothers me. You decided to play. See it through and give it what you have. Campbell finally put it where it needed to be on the deeper passes...and you juggled it right into your facemask and into the ground. And you don't even have a decent excuse other than "you weren't feelin' it."

McCardell made you look bad. I hope you have enough competitive spirit left to understand what that means.

 

[thayman]

Nice. Guess when I go to work tomorrow and hit a computer I can't fix inside of 45 minutes, I'll just pull myself out and apologize to my team and tell them to pick up the slack for the rest of the day.Granted, small potatoes comparison, but put it on a large stage, and I think it's worse.get out there and get your sh%% straight, Santana. Tiger Woods doesn't pull himself out at the 12th hole because he hasn't hit a birdie yet.This attitude bothers me. You decided to play. See it through and give it what you have. Campbell finally put it where it needed to be on the deeper passes...and you juggled it right into your facemask and into the ground. And you don't even have a decent excuse other than "you weren't feelin' it."McCardell made you look bad. I hope you have enough competitive spirit left to understand what that means.

So if you couldn't fix a computer, but knew a colleague could do it better and faster you wouldn't ask for help??

 

[BuckCherry]

So if you couldn't fix a computer, but knew a colleague could do it better and faster you wouldn't ask for help??

 

[Brutis]

Nice. Guess when I go to work tomorrow and hit a computer I can't fix inside of 45 minutes, I'll just pull myself out and apologize to my team and tell them to pick up the slack for the rest of the day.Granted, small potatoes comparison, but put it on a large stage, and I think it's worse.get out there and get your sh%% straight, Santana. Tiger Woods doesn't pull himself out at the 12th hole because he hasn't hit a birdie yet.This attitude bothers me. You decided to play. See it through and give it what you have. Campbell finally put it where it needed to be on the deeper passes...and you juggled it right into your facemask and into the ground. And you don't even have a decent excuse other than "you weren't feelin' it."McCardell made you look bad. I hope you have enough competitive spirit left to understand what that means.

So if you couldn't fix a computer, but knew a colleague could do it better and faster you wouldn't ask for help??

Do you really think ol man McCardell could do it better and faster than moss? lol

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

It's so funny watching people attack Moss for being a team-first guy. Sure, he could be proud and play the whole game "not right" and hurt his team's chances to win. Instead, he did what he thought was best for the team-- not himself and not his fantasy owners who are unhappy over his 0 (or worse with the fumble).

Everybody knows their own body best. If something was wrong, he would know. If he was huritng the team, he would know. It's not being a "gamer" to hurt your team. It's selfish. Maybe he wasn't really ready to play but the team was pushing him to come back early (teams would neeeeever do that, right?) In any case, he did the right thing. Clearly he wasn't playing like himself.

Everyone has bad days. But in his line of work, the mistakes are played over and over on national television, the media talks about it for a whole week (or longer) and, since everyone knows how much money you make, they question whether you're worth it.

I think it's a more mature decision than the other Moss-- who clearly decided the Raiders' money wasn't worth a real effort-- and has now decided to offer his best again. And this is one game for Santana. What's Randy's excuse for all of 2006?

In other words, give him a break. I don't own Moss, nor am I a fan of the team. But they have a shot at the playoffs. The players like Gibbs and they could really use a playoff berth to justify his latest stint in the NFL. Wins are the most important thing, so what's wrong with what he did?

It's not like he had one bad drop. Something was clearly wrong. Just sayin'.

 

[Clifton]

It takes a man to make a decision like that.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

It takes a man to make a decision like that.

agreed. if you aren't performing your best due to not feeling right, you let someone else play.

 

[BigRed]

Nice. Guess when I go to work tomorrow and hit a computer I can't fix inside of 45 minutes, I'll just pull myself out and apologize to my team and tell them to pick up the slack for the rest of the day.Tiger Woods doesn't pull himself out at the 12th hole because he hasn't hit a birdie yet.

That's 2 weak anaologies, care to go for 3

It doesn't mention anything about his groin, or back...a leg cramp is briefly mentioned...this league has gotten to be such a unch of wussies. Remember Youngblood playing with a broken leg for the Rams? Wonder if a cramp would have slowed him down?I'm gonna go watch All in the Family and have a stogie.

that's what I'm talkin 'boutBut to be fair, doesn't sound like he took himself out because of a cramp. He took himself out because he knew he was playing like poop and just didn't "have it" at all today. It does seem kind of lame on one hand, but once in a great while a really bad day like that is bound to happen, and if you know you aren't doing your team any good because of it, why beat your head against a brick wall? In fact if it's really that extreme, HC should pull the guy. They used to do it more for QBs (for ex) - kind of like pulling a starting pitcher. Why not?

 

[Bri]

if he really feels that way he should give back his check for this week's game

 

[KellysHeroes]

I was all about Moss this year... thought he could be a top 15 atleast.. Luckly for me I have traded in both my dynasties for 1st round picks.

 

[Twilight]

It's so funny watching people attack Moss for being a team-first guy. Sure, he could be proud and play the whole game "not right" and hurt his team's chances to win. Instead, he did what he thought was best for the team-- not himself and not his fantasy owners who are unhappy over his 0 (or worse with the fumble). Everybody knows their own body best. If something was wrong, he would know. If he was huritng the team, he would know. It's not being a "gamer" to hurt your team. It's selfish. Maybe he wasn't really ready to play but the team was pushing him to come back early (teams would neeeeever do that, right?) In any case, he did the right thing. Clearly he wasn't playing like himself.Everyone has bad days. But in his line of work, the mistakes are played over and over on national television, the media talks about it for a whole week (or longer) and, since everyone knows how much money you make, they question whether you're worth it.I think it's a more mature decision than the other Moss-- who clearly decided the Raiders' money wasn't worth a real effort-- and has now decided to offer his best again. And this is one game for Santana. What's Randy's excuse for all of 2006?In other words, give him a break. I don't own Moss, nor am I a fan of the team. But they have a shot at the playoffs. The players like Gibbs and they could really use a playoff berth to justify his latest stint in the NFL. Wins are the most important thing, so what's wrong with what he did?It's not like he had one bad drop. Something was clearly wrong. Just sayin'.

 

[Sabertooth]

Wasn't there some really questionable calls that kept a couple touchdowns off the board for the Packers. Seems like Santana is saying that "we really should have won...." and not giving the Packers any credit for overcoming what they did to win. I didn't see the game but on the Packers board they are still whining about the officiating.

 

[Joe Bryant]

You guys aren't saying there is anything wrong with a guy pulling himself out if he's not physically able to help are you? Or worse, as it sounded here, that he felt he was hurting the team? I'd appreciate a player doing this if I were coaching. There's being tough and there's hurting the team. Many players don't have enough maturity to know the difference.

J

 

[PantherPower]

My guess is, if Santana didn't believe in his teammates, if he didn't thinkg there were other options that he KNEW could make plays, he would have stayed in there. I'm sure it was VERY hard for him to say what he did, and being a professional athlete, having that BAD a game. It truly was one of the worst performances I've seen by a WR in a looong time. I'm just praying he can bounce back, as he's a good guy, definitely a team first guy, and the Skins need him to succeed.

 

[PsychoMan]

i played this @#$@$ over welker and lost my matchup

i quit fantasy football

 

[Ranethe]

It's so funny watching people attack Moss for being a team-first guy. Sure, he could be proud and play the whole game "not right" and hurt his team's chances to win. Instead, he did what he thought was best for the team-- not himself and not his fantasy owners who are unhappy over his 0 (or worse with the fumble). Everybody knows their own body best. If something was wrong, he would know. If he was huritng the team, he would know. It's not being a "gamer" to hurt your team. It's selfish. Maybe he wasn't really ready to play but the team was pushing him to come back early (teams would neeeeever do that, right?) In any case, he did the right thing. Clearly he wasn't playing like himself.Everyone has bad days. But in his line of work, the mistakes are played over and over on national television, the media talks about it for a whole week (or longer) and, since everyone knows how much money you make, they question whether you're worth it.I think it's a more mature decision than the other Moss-- who clearly decided the Raiders' money wasn't worth a real effort-- and has now decided to offer his best again. And this is one game for Santana. What's Randy's excuse for all of 2006?In other words, give him a break. I don't own Moss, nor am I a fan of the team. But they have a shot at the playoffs. The players like Gibbs and they could really use a playoff berth to justify his latest stint in the NFL. Wins are the most important thing, so what's wrong with what he did?It's not like he had one bad drop. Something was clearly wrong. Just sayin'.

Lot of silly comments in here. He took responsibility for his poor play and did what he thought would give the team the best chance to win.

 

[bez18]

It was FUGLY ... really was. This loss was a tough one to swallow... and a lot of it can be pinned on Moss

Campbell looked terrific I thought…. The WRs were weak… OK, Moss had that ball go right through his hands for an INT, then he had the one down the sidelines that hit his facemask… Randle-El had that ball that hit his back shoulder that he should’ve caught for a 1st… and Brandon Lloyd had that ball deep go off his finger tips (granted a tough catch, but catchable!)… Ugh… and the Moss fumble and the Portis fumble.. killers….

 

[fatness]

What actually happened

His frustration over his poor performance yesterday boiled over when he injured a hamstring in the fourth quarter and told the coaches to bench him.

"I just didn't feel right," Moss said. "I took myself out. I told coach something just wasn't feeling right. I feel like, why go out there and keep another guy from getting a chance to help ... when I ain't making the plays I should be making? I totally cramped in the back of my leg by my [hamstring] area. ... There was so much going on [that] had me so upset. I couldn't afford to let the team down any more than I already had."

And....

He has had uncharacteristic drops this season, including a botched 30-yard reception one drive after fumbling Sunday. Moss did not play again, with Coach Joe Gibbs attributing this absence to varying factors including health, and Moss saying he pulled himself from the game because of the recurrence of a hamstring problem.

 

[Serafino]

Think of how much head Gibbs would take if he benched Moss because he "just didn't have it" yesterday (which he clearly didn't). He'd be crucified, and called a moron in this thread...

I think Gibbs appreciated not having to make the hard decision to yank Moss himself!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You guys aren't saying there is anything wrong with a guy pulling himself out if he's not physically able to help are you? Or worse, as it sounded here, that he felt he was hurting the team? I'd appreciate a player doing this if I were coaching. There's being tough and there's hurting the team. Many players don't have enough maturity to know the difference.J

I could have quoted anyone but since I know you won't take it personal Joe...I cannot believe this board is going to let a guy off the hook who makes millions and millions of dollars, was cleared and practiced fully this week, is a paid professional athlete, and he has a bad game so we all give him a group board hug and say it's OK to remove yourself from the game??? Think Tony Romo would have liked to have hid under a table and died this past Monday Night when he threw 5 Interceptions? Did he go to the bench and say "It just doesn't feel right"...no he went back out there, he did what he had to do to win the game. 1st off Moss is a former UM boy and I am a huge Miami fan so I typically give a lot of those guys a free pass on a lot of things, it's the homer fan in me that exists in all of you at some level too. I am ashamed that he is a Miami graduate at the moment...very uncharacteristic of a Miami player to just give up, most are going to go down swinging hard. Second, I don't care about the zero he posted...Joey Galloway has several over the past 2-3 seasons and it doesn't mean he is a terrible WR to have in your line up. Do I own Moss? Yes I do, but I am in so many leagues that I own just about every player there is...so I don't have a built in predjudice against the guy as some are trying to insinuate. I lost a lot of respect for Santana Moss as a player today, doesn't mean I would never draft him again if given the right circumstances...but to me you are letting the team down. Even if he was being used as a decoy, he will draw double coverage and allow folks like McCardell and Randel El to have a better chance to catch a pass. Washington lost, and their #1WR was on the sidelines feeling sorry for himself...pathetic.

 

[Craig]

You guys aren't saying there is anything wrong with a guy pulling himself out if he's not physically able to help are you? Or worse, as it sounded here, that he felt he was hurting the team? I'd appreciate a player doing this if I were coaching. There's being tough and there's hurting the team. Many players don't have enough maturity to know the difference.J

I watched every play of the game. Moss was horrible ! At least he knew it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was pathetic. So was Portis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Buy low.

 

[trogg78]

if he really feels that way he should give back his check for this week's game

I have a lot of days when I don't get anything done at work...I'm not giving my check back. You must see the world through FBG goggles, where everyone has to be perfect.

 

[fatness]

I cannot believe this board is going to let a guy off the hook who makes millions and millions of dollars, was cleared and practiced fully this week, is a paid professional athlete, and he has a bad game so we all give him a group board hug and say it's OK to remove yourself from the game???

He was injured (hamstring) and didn't play last week.He came back to play this week.He re-injured the hamstring.He played absolutely horribly.He told the coaches he was hurt, and was hurting the team.They put someone else in.While I'm not satisfied with his performance, since it lost the game for my favorite team, I'm satisfied with how it was handled, yes.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I cannot believe this board is going to let a guy off the hook who makes millions and millions of dollars, was cleared and practiced fully this week, is a paid professional athlete, and he has a bad game so we all give him a group board hug and say it's OK to remove yourself from the game???

He was injured (hamstring) and didn't play last week.He came back to play this week.

He re-injured the hamstring.

He played absolutely horribly.

He told the coaches he was hurt, and was hurting the team.

They put someone else in.

While I'm not satisfied with his performance, since it lost the game for my favorite team, I'm satisfied with how it was handled, yes.

He had a groin injury, not a hamstring injury. And to quote from the AP article..."Despite a cramp in his leg, Moss kept the focus solely on his miserable performance, which included several uncharacteristic dropped passes."

A cramp?

Fatness, with all due respect, you and I never agree on anything that I can remember...I have laid out the AP article and am viewing it with complete honesty IMO. You have your own view of things, we are going to just have to agree to disagree or this will just turn into a who can 1 up the other and I don't want to go there. But I appreciate and respect your POV.

 

[JohnnyU]

Nice. Guess when I go to work tomorrow and hit a computer I can't fix inside of 45 minutes, I'll just pull myself out and apologize to my team and tell them to pick up the slack for the rest of the day.Granted, small potatoes comparison, but put it on a large stage, and I think it's worse.get out there and get your sh%% straight, Santana. Tiger Woods doesn't pull himself out at the 12th hole because he hasn't hit a birdie yet.This attitude bothers me. You decided to play. See it through and give it what you have. Campbell finally put it where it needed to be on the deeper passes...and you juggled it right into your facemask and into the ground. And you don't even have a decent excuse other than "you weren't feelin' it."McCardell made you look bad. I hope you have enough competitive spirit left to understand what that means.

So if you couldn't fix a computer, but knew a colleague could do it better and faster you wouldn't ask for help??

Do you really think ol man McCardell could do it better and faster than moss? lol

On that day, yes.

 

[fatness]

Fatness, with all due respect, you and I never agree on anything that I can remember...I have laid out the AP article and am viewing it with complete honesty IMO. You have your own view of things, we are going to just have to agree to disagree or this will just turn into a who can 1 up the other and I don't want to go there. But I appreciate and respect your POV.

You're right about his groin being injured in the earlier game, yes, thanks for correcting me.As for the rest, I posted the local Washington links for you which involved talking to both Moss and Gibbs. Things like this happen in games all the time ---- players get hurt (Moss did hurt his hamstring in the game), report to their coaches that it's affecting their play, and they get benched. I respect your opinion as well, and I do disagree with you on your condemnation here.

 

[AB in DC]

To answer MoP's original question -- No one is running the team. Gibbs has no fire left in him, and he delegates 99% of his job to his assistants. This is a rudderless organization and it shows.

 

[Joe Bryant]

You guys aren't saying there is anything wrong with a guy pulling himself out if he's not physically able to help are you? Or worse, as it sounded here, that he felt he was hurting the team? I'd appreciate a player doing this if I were coaching. There's being tough and there's hurting the team. Many players don't have enough maturity to know the difference.J

I could have quoted anyone but since I know you won't take it personal Joe...I cannot believe this board is going to let a guy off the hook who makes millions and millions of dollars, was cleared and practiced fully this week, is a paid professional athlete, and he has a bad game so we all give him a group board hug and say it's OK to remove yourself from the game??? Think Tony Romo would have liked to have hid under a table and died this past Monday Night when he threw 5 Interceptions? Did he go to the bench and say "It just doesn't feel right"...no he went back out there, he did what he had to do to win the game. 1st off Moss is a former UM boy and I am a huge Miami fan so I typically give a lot of those guys a free pass on a lot of things, it's the homer fan in me that exists in all of you at some level too. I am ashamed that he is a Miami graduate at the moment...very uncharacteristic of a Miami player to just give up, most are going to go down swinging hard. Second, I don't care about the zero he posted...Joey Galloway has several over the past 2-3 seasons and it doesn't mean he is a terrible WR to have in your line up. Do I own Moss? Yes I do, but I am in so many leagues that I own just about every player there is...so I don't have a built in predjudice against the guy as some are trying to insinuate. I lost a lot of respect for Santana Moss as a player today, doesn't mean I would never draft him again if given the right circumstances...but to me you are letting the team down. Even if he was being used as a decoy, he will draw double coverage and allow folks like McCardell and Randel El to have a better chance to catch a pass. Washington lost, and their #1WR was on the sidelines feeling sorry for himself...pathetic.

If Tony Romo had an injury that "didn't feel right" and he honestly felt he was hurting the team trying to continue then yes, I'd absolutely want him to voice that and get out of there. Again, huge difference between playing through pain and overcoming something and not being able to realize when you're hurting the team. Most athletes don't have the ego to do the latter.J

 

[Sidewinder16]

Again, huge difference between playing through pain and overcoming something and not being able to realize when you're hurting the team. Most athletes don't have the ego to do the latter.J

I'm surprised so many people think a player that is so obviously killing so many chances for his team to win a game should be forced to stay in the game (by himself, the coaches, anyone). Yesterday, Moss was a detriment to the success of his team.

 

[spitkickers]

You guys aren't saying there is anything wrong with a guy pulling himself out if he's not physically able to help are you? Or worse, as it sounded here, that he felt he was hurting the team? I'd appreciate a player doing this if I were coaching. There's being tough and there's hurting the team. Many players don't have enough maturity to know the difference.J

No, the beer was saying that. And the -2 on my FF bench. I do agree with the posts about Moss's decision.

 

[Christo]

I would have ordered Moss back on the field, told him to suck it up and start catching the ball...maybe even throw him a couple of screens just to get him going.

And that would be a mistake. First, he's coming back from an injury. So that might have played a part in it. Second, even if it wasn't due to injury, I don't want a player on the field who doesn't want to be out there. The player's reasoning for not wanting to be out there is something you deal with after the game.

 

[Bri]

if he really feels that way he should give back his check for this week's game

I have a lot of days when I don't get anything done at work...I'm not giving my check back. You must see the world through FBG goggles, where everyone has to be perfect.

No one has to be perfect but if they're getting paid to do a job they should do it for the time they're getting paid to do it. You write how you don't get anything done but not how you walked off the job midday and said "eh let someone else do it".Instead you probably "keep at it".I would think that walking off the job midday is similar to what Moss did.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

This is an extension of what Portis has done all year...taking himself out whenever he feels like it, even if he is playing good. Keep your ### in there unless the coach pulls you from the game. What kind of RB goes the entire length of the field, then pulls themselves. What is he, tired?

Moss...you get paid to catch the ball. If you aren't, give back the gamecheck.

So many guys on this team are playing very, very hard (the entire D, Campbell, Betts, second string OL, Cooley). Yet the two offensive stars keep benching themselves. And we wonder why we can't finish off games.

 

[redman]

It bears mention that Moss stood beside his locker and took all questions from the media after the game, during which time he took responsibility for the loss.

It also bears mention that MoP has historically been a guy to seek out stuff to use to take shots at Gibbs and the Redskins. Not sure why, but there's a pattern there.

I will confess that I am torn in general with players taking themselves out of the game. If this is a guy with questionable character, e.g. Brandon Lloyd, then I'm probably not going to be charitable. Moss is a fearless competitor with no history of slacking or cowardice. I truly think in this instance he did it for the right reason.

 

[Sidewinder16]

This is an extension of what Portis has done all year...taking himself out whenever he feels like it, even if he is playing good. Keep your ### in there unless the coach pulls you from the game. What kind of RB goes the entire length of the field, then pulls themselves. What is he, tired?Moss...you get paid to catch the ball. If you aren't, give back the gamecheck.So many guys on this team are playing very, very hard (the entire D, Campbell, Betts, second string OL, Cooley). Yet the two offensive stars keep benching themselves. And we wonder why we can't finish off games.

I don't think you can compare what Portis does and what Moss did, at all. Complete apples and oranges.Moss being in the game was a detriment to the success of the team yesterday. I think in hindsight that should be blatantly obvious to anyone who watched the game. His play, or lack thereof, was hurting the team. To force him(self) to stay in the game would have made an already bad situation worse.

 

[JAM]

I watched his interview.

The man was crushed, he was devastated. He held his chin high, his eyes watery, and he faced the music...he was his own worst critic, absolutely relentless.

I was going to dump his no-good, lazy #### after yesterday and his prior performances, but after seeing his interview there is no way I would consider ditching a guy with that much ability, courage and pride. He didn't run and hide, he did what he thought was right for the team. His team mates will rally behind him and together they'll get it squared, maybe not this week, but soon.

 

[thayman]

Nice. Guess when I go to work tomorrow and hit a computer I can't fix inside of 45 minutes, I'll just pull myself out and apologize to my team and tell them to pick up the slack for the rest of the day.Granted, small potatoes comparison, but put it on a large stage, and I think it's worse.get out there and get your sh%% straight, Santana. Tiger Woods doesn't pull himself out at the 12th hole because he hasn't hit a birdie yet.This attitude bothers me. You decided to play. See it through and give it what you have. Campbell finally put it where it needed to be on the deeper passes...and you juggled it right into your facemask and into the ground. And you don't even have a decent excuse other than "you weren't feelin' it."McCardell made you look bad. I hope you have enough competitive spirit left to understand what that means.

So if you couldn't fix a computer, but knew a colleague could do it better and faster you wouldn't ask for help??

Do you really think ol man McCardell could do it better and faster than moss? lol

I assume you didn't watch the game. Because "ol man McCardell" as you put it, did do it better and faster than Moss.

 

[redman]

Nice. Guess when I go to work tomorrow and hit a computer I can't fix inside of 45 minutes, I'll just pull myself out and apologize to my team and tell them to pick up the slack for the rest of the day.Granted, small potatoes comparison, but put it on a large stage, and I think it's worse.get out there and get your sh%% straight, Santana. Tiger Woods doesn't pull himself out at the 12th hole because he hasn't hit a birdie yet.This attitude bothers me. You decided to play. See it through and give it what you have. Campbell finally put it where it needed to be on the deeper passes...and you juggled it right into your facemask and into the ground. And you don't even have a decent excuse other than "you weren't feelin' it."McCardell made you look bad. I hope you have enough competitive spirit left to understand what that means.

So if you couldn't fix a computer, but knew a colleague could do it better and faster you wouldn't ask for help??

Do you really think ol man McCardell could do it better and faster than moss? lol

I assume you didn't watch the game. Because "ol man McCardell" as you put it, did do it better and faster than Moss.

McCardell surprisingly has some gas left in the tank. We've only seen him for two weeks, so it remains to be seen how well he holds up, but in limited action he's gotten separation and made plays.

 

[bonesman]

I watched his interview.The man was crushed, he was devastated. He held his chin high, his eyes watery, and he faced the music...he was his own worst critic, absolutely relentless.I was going to dump his no-good, lazy #### after yesterday and his prior performances, but after seeing his interview there is no way I would consider ditching a guy with that much ability, courage and pride. He didn't run and hide, he did what he thought was right for the team. His team mates will rally behind him and together they'll get it squared, maybe not this week, but soon.

 

[thayman]

if he really feels that way he should give back his check for this week's game

I have a lot of days when I don't get anything done at work...I'm not giving my check back. You must see the world through FBG goggles, where everyone has to be perfect.

No one has to be perfect but if they're getting paid to do a job they should do it for the time they're getting paid to do it. You write how you don't get anything done but not how you walked off the job midday and said "eh let someone else do it".Instead you probably "keep at it".I would think that walking off the job midday is similar to what Moss did.

These two situations are very different and have no basis of comparisson.