Santana Moss...is the Shark buying or selling? (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Moss had 3 lovely TDs to go with 130+ yds on Sunday...very nice. I have mixed feelings about Moss. On one hand he can be explosive. On the other he can get lost in this system...however with Portis back maybe he will see some one on one coverage...although he took a blowtorch to the JAX double coverge in OT, that was a sweet TD.

His targets so far this season are 4, 4, 6, and 8...it's one of the lowest targeet totals of any fronline WRs...and i think Moss was a top12-15 WR coming into the season. But those targets are half of what a Tory Holt gets. So are you buying, selling, or holding S.Moss right now? What would you be seeking in a trade?

 

[Chubbs]

I have really considered selling and can pull the trigger for Marvin Harrison right now.

His points in my league have been 11.2, 10.8, 8.3, and then 34.8!

Compared to Marvin who has had 16.8, 17.2, 12.4 & 11.4. AND Harrison hasnt scored a TD YET!!!! The TDs will come.

BUT is this a sign Brunell is coming around.....

Im still selling for Marvin.

I think Im gonna sell though for a more consistant scoring WR.

 

[Sopranos]

S Moss is all or nothing..If he is your #1 i would sell. He has been offered to me a few times this season but i had him last season and he will go through 4-5 games where you wish you didnt have him..

 

[Dirk Digler]

I'm holding.

my WR's...

WR1- ABoldin

WR2- SMoss

WR3- RWayne

WR4- JCotchery

 

[gman8343]

In my ppr league he's gotten double digit pts every week, so he hasn't really been horrible, just not great till yesterday. Also, are those targets factoring in several throws behind the line of scrimmage that were counted as runs instead of passes?

I will probably dangle him and see what people offer, but I would not pull the trigger unless I was getting a good deal - the poster above is taking Marvin Harrison for him, which I would do in a heartbeat in a redraft.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'm holding.my WR's...WR1- ABoldinWR2- SMossWR3- RWayneWR4- JCotchery

Moss and Boldin. Boldin might be headed for some rough waters ahead. I'd rather have him as my WR2 during the break in period of Matt.

 

[Jackal King]

If I owned him...I'd definetly be looking to shop him. I can't imagine his value getting any higher than it is right now. I still think that his targets are going to be sufficiently modest and he's going to stuggle to finish in the top 10.

That OT single-handedly cost me a win yesterday.

 

[redman]

I'm holding.my WR's...WR1- ABoldinWR2- SMossWR3- RWayneWR4- JCotchery

This is the ideal situation if you want to hold him. I wouldn't want him as my WR1 (even though his total points may by the end of the year justify it) given how streaky he can be. Objectively speaking though, I think this offense as it continues to shake itself out will find more ways to get the ball into more receivers' hands. Moss will always be a big part of that, but yesterday's game may have some potential trading partners thinking more about last year than about the components they've added since then. This trade value for the moment is very good.

 

[Chubbs]

My WRs:

T. Owens

S. Moss

J. Horn

M. Coleston

E. Kennison

Even though hes my #2 and the way coleston is playing, he could be considered my #3, I think moss is too inconsistant.

And as stated above, Moss's value IMO may be as high as its gonna get. Im even willing to package Moss with Horn for a Marvin or a Holt.

The targets are not enough.

 

[Crimedogg32]

Im hoping to sell

 

[Hue G]

Unless I am offered someone like Steve Smith or Holt I'm going to hold on to him. It looks as if that offense is coming into its own and it doesn't hurt that Portis is 100% now. Their 2nd 2 games are considerbly better than their 1st two in terms of offensive production albeit they did play houston in week three but they played a very solid defense in Jacksonville in week 4, one that held Indy to only 272 yards the week before.

vs MN 266

vs DAL 245

vs HOU 495

vs Jax 481

Moss is one of the more explosive players in the league with a skill set extremely similar to Steve Smith, I don't think I want to give up on him too easily.

 

[Fiddles]

enough with the shark stuff already

couldnt just ask buying or selling?

 

[rascal]

I just traded for him last week (gve up Jake Plummer).

I think it is too early to determine to hold/sell currently since Portis just got back healthy. With Portis being back his opportunities should increase since the defenses will have to worry about the run. He won't put up numbers like that again though.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Unless I am offered someone like Steve Smith or Holt I'm going to hold on to him. It looks as if that offense is coming into its own and it doesn't hurt that Portis is 100% now. Their 2nd 2 games are considerbly better than their 1st two in terms of offensive production albeit they did play houston in week three but they played a very solid defense in Jacksonville in week 4, one that held Indy to only 272 yards the week before.vs MN 266vs DAL 245vs HOU 495vs Jax 481Moss is one of the more explosive players in the league with a skill set extremely similar to Steve Smith, I don't think I want to give up on him too easily.

nice post

 

[Ministry of Pain]

enough with the shark stuff alreadycouldnt just ask buying or selling?

 

[Kiddnets]

My WRs in a 14 team league

S Smith

S Moss

D JAx

H Ward

Of course I had Moss on my bench yesterday - I think I'm going to hold. Been getting lots of offers on H Ward and may just deal him instead. Moss is a very good #2 WR.

 

[SSOG]

Buying or Selling? It always depends on what the cost is. Real sharks are always doing a little bit of both.

For instance, if I could get a top-10 WR in return for Santana, I'm probably selling. On the other hand, if I could part with a WR in the 15-20 range in order to get him, I'm probably buying. And if neither is the case, I'm standing pat.

 

[radballs]

He definitely holds more value in total points leagues than straight H2H, but if I had him I'd hold him. If I didn't I wouldn't necessarily go buy him now though because his asking price might be a bit high.

 

[jurrassic]

I just sold Moss and M. Barber for C. Johnson and T. Bell. I view this as a good sell high, buy low example. I hope Johnson comes around. Time will tell.

 

[rick6668]

Bought 2 weeks ago.

Wr's are Harrison, S. Moss and Coles.

I'm holding

 

[broncofan13000]

Buying or Selling? It always depends on what the cost is. Real sharks are always doing a little bit of both.For instance, if I could get a top-10 WR in return for Santana, I'm probably selling. On the other hand, if I could part with a WR in the 15-20 range in order to get him, I'm probably buying. And if neither is the case, I'm standing pat.

I'm holding for now, since noone in my league is willing to give up a top 10 WR for him.

 

[nightshift]

Buying or Selling? It always depends on what the cost is. Real sharks are always doing a little bit of both.For instance, if I could get a top-10 WR in return for Santana, I'm probably selling. On the other hand, if I could part with a WR in the 15-20 range in order to get him, I'm probably buying. And if neither is the case, I'm standing pat.

I'm holding for now, since noone in my league is willing to give up a top 10 WR for him.

agreed.

 

[Traders2001]

I traded Randy for him last Friday , it paid off big time .

My WR s are now.

Harrison

Santana Moss

Antonio Bryant

Deion Branch

Lav Coles

 

[sheetstainer]

holding. holding both mosses. stallworth and coles are/had been giving me that luxury. not so sure anymore with them both being banged up.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

My WR's are:

Torry Holt

Santana Moss

Lee Evans

Gregg Jennings

Braylon Edwards

Derrick Mason

I think I'm pretty solid at WR. I need some help at RB so I'm shopping him around. Looking at maybe Julies Jones (I have Marion Barber III), or Warrick Dunn. I'm selling.

 

[rhawkins68]

I need RB's so I'm hoping to break even. I assume I'll have to make a deal that is better off for the other team versus mine.

Otherwise I say hold him. I think he's top 10.

 

[Lauryn]

well you don't buy after he's the player of the week

if i had him i would keep him...he'll throw up some clunkers but he'll win you some games all by himself. i like those type of players. plus i think that offense will get better and better as the season progresses.

 

[Yitbos69]

I am holding.....I would sell for the right price....not sure what the "right" price is but if I did know I would sell him for it!

I have good depth at WR

Santana Moss

Holt

CJ

Plax

Reg Williams

B Johnson

 

[cscmtp]

Unless I am offered someone like Steve Smith or Holt I'm going to hold on to him. It looks as if that offense is coming into its own and it doesn't hurt that Portis is 100% now. Their 2nd 2 games are considerbly better than their 1st two in terms of offensive production albeit they did play houston in week three but they played a very solid defense in Jacksonville in week 4, one that held Indy to only 272 yards the week before.vs MN 266vs DAL 245vs HOU 495vs Jax 481Moss is one of the more explosive players in the league with a skill set extremely similar to Steve Smith, I don't think I want to give up on him too easily.

 

[Hue G]

well you don't buy after he's the player of the week if i had him i would keep him...he'll throw up some clunkers but he'll win you some games all by himself. i like those type of players. plus i think that offense will get better and better as the season progresses.

 

[SSOG]

well you don't buy after he's the player of the week if i had him i would keep him...he'll throw up some clunkers but he'll win you some games all by himself. i like those type of players. plus i think that offense will get better and better as the season progresses.

Normally I'd agree, but I think a lot of times people "outshark" themselves.I've seen people see someone on their roster put up a ridiculous game and then decide that they wanted to "sell high". They got so focused on selling the guy that they keep making offers and making offers and negotiating until they wind up selling for fair market value, or even much less.That's the problem with asking people whether they're buying, selling, or holding. I'm always open to buying anyone in the NFL, and I'm always open to selling anyone on my roster... it all depends what the price is. If I get it into my head that I'm going to move someone, then odds are I'm not going to get very good value in return.I do have to say, I love having Santana Moss on my roster just for the discussion it creates. I play in a league that doesn't engage in a whole lot of trading (although I've done a TON of wheeling and dealing in there recently). Anyway, after Santana went off, I woke up the next morning to find 4 different offers from 3 different people trying to acquire him for various amounts. Most of the offers were pretty ridiculously low, but I didn't mind, because it created a starting point for trade discussions that branched out and currently don't even include Santana anymore. I'm halfway tempted to hold him just to make trading easier for the next couple of weeks.

 

[Justloveit]

well you don't buy after he's the player of the week if i had him i would keep him...he'll throw up some clunkers but he'll win you some games all by himself. i like those type of players. plus i think that offense will get better and better as the season progresses.

Normally I'd agree, but I think a lot of times people "outshark" themselves.I've seen people see someone on their roster put up a ridiculous game and then decide that they wanted to "sell high". They got so focused on selling the guy that they keep making offers and making offers and negotiating until they wind up selling for fair market value, or even much less.That's the problem with asking people whether they're buying, selling, or holding. I'm always open to buying anyone in the NFL, and I'm always open to selling anyone on my roster... it all depends what the price is. If I get it into my head that I'm going to move someone, then odds are I'm not going to get very good value in return.I do have to say, I love having Santana Moss on my roster just for the discussion it creates. I play in a league that doesn't engage in a whole lot of trading (although I've done a TON of wheeling and dealing in there recently). Anyway, after Santana went off, I woke up the next morning to find 4 different offers from 3 different people trying to acquire him for various amounts. Most of the offers were pretty ridiculously low, but I didn't mind, because it created a starting point for trade discussions that branched out and currently don't even include Santana anymore. I'm halfway tempted to hold him just to make trading easier for the next couple of weeks.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

I just sold Moss and M. Barber for C. Johnson and T. Bell. I view this as a good sell high, buy low example. I hope Johnson comes around. Time will tell.

Um... that's not buying low, that's sodomy. Even if Moss does better than Johnson this season (which is still not a given), how can anyone possibly jusfify Bell for Barber?

 

[jrgeaumont]

I'm considering moving Moss after this week. I've been offered Reggie Wayne for him.

My WR group is thin. I'm currently carrying Santana Moss, Terry Glenn and Lee Evans.

Thoughts on trading Moss straight-up for Wayne?

Thanks

 

[SSOG]

I'm considering moving Moss after this week. I've been offered Reggie Wayne for him.My WR group is thin. I'm currently carrying Santana Moss, Terry Glenn and Lee Evans.Thoughts on trading Moss straight-up for Wayne?Thanks

I'd take it. Wayne's a much more consistant play, and is a much surer bet to finish in the top 10. JMO.And that's saying something, because the one league I have Moss in gives bonus points for long scores. I still think Wayne will outproduce him this season.

 

[Sabertooth]

I just did a multi-player deal in a keep 2 auction league last night.

The other owner really wanted Kevin Jones. So I packaged Kevin Jones, Randy Moss, and Phillip Rivers for Santana Moss, DeAngelo Williams, and Tom Brady.

There are also salary considerations in this league which I won't get into. Looks like I am riding Chester Taylor and Lamont Jordan until Deshaun inevitably gets hurt. Oh well, at 1-7 I need to shake it up or the season is already lost. If my season is over, DeAngelo could be a nice keeper option next season though.

Either way, I am not totally sold on Santana. I've never owned him before. But I figured why not take a chance. I was about 3 years late to the Tiki Barber party and realize that I don't know squat about fantasy football, so what the hell!

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

After I benched Moss this weekend and he went off, I have received the following offers for him (each from a different owner in my league) -

1. Randy Moss for Santana Moss (no thanks, unless Oakland finds a QB and an offensive line)

2. Hines Ward for Santana Moss (Big Ben hasn't impressed, I think I will pass - but not a horrible offer)

3. Jerricho Cotchery and Bernard Berrian for Santana Moss and Isaac Bruce (get real)

4. Samie Parker and Eddie Kennison for Santana Moss (no thanks)

however, I got an interesting offer that I am going to take once the other owner makes the offer official -

5. Reggie Wayne for Santana Moss

 

[jrgeaumont]

After I benched Moss this weekend and he went off, I have received the following offers for him (each from a different owner in my league) -1. Randy Moss for Santana Moss (no thanks, unless Oakland finds a QB and an offensive line)2. Hines Ward for Santana Moss (Big Ben hasn't impressed, I think I will pass - but not a horrible offer)3. Jerricho Cotchery and Bernard Berrian for Santana Moss and Isaac Bruce (get real)4. Samie Parker and Eddie Kennison for Santana Moss (no thanks)however, I got an interesting offer that I am going to take once the other owner makes the offer official -5. Reggie Wayne for Santana Moss

Did this trade happen?I offered the Moss to the Wayne owner in my league. He was late in getting back to me, however, he is interested in discussing this further for next week. Another week works for me. I wan't to see more of the Al Saunders play book before pulling the trigger on Moss for Wayne.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

S Moss is all or nothing..If he is your #1 i would sell. He has been offered to me a few times this season but i had him last season and he will go through 4-5 games where you wish you didnt have him..

I like that expolosive upside in my WR corp. I also had him last year on 2 teams, 2 championship teams on which Santana played a MAJOR role.

 

[Kiddnets]

I like Santana better than Wayne - same spread it out offenses but Moss gets in the endzone more. I'd keep Moss.

 

[Chubbs]

I think if you can get Santana Moss for any top Receiver ...DO IT!

Reasons is the Targets S. Moss gets compared to others. For example:

PLAYER: YEAR TO DATE TARGETS:

Santana Moss 24

Roy Williams 40

Andre Johnosn 38

Torry Holt 52

Laveranues Coles 44

Marvin Harrison 46

Reggie Wayne 32

 

[tribecalledjeff's grl]

I think if you can get Santana Moss for any top Receiver ...DO IT!

Reasons is the Targets S. Moss gets compared to others. For example:

PLAYER: YEAR TO DATE TARGETS:

Santana Moss 24

Roy Williams 40

Andre Johnosn 38

Torry Holt 52

Laveranues Coles 44

Marvin Harrison 46

Reggie Wayne 32

So do you mean to say "if you can get any top receiver for S. Moss, do it?" If so, I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[BigRed]

S Moss is all or nothing..If he is your #1 i would sell. He has been offered to me a few times this season but i had him last season and he will go through 4-5 games where you wish you didnt have him..

exactly, too boom/bust - and I'm still thinking Brunell has a fairly poor year overall - with Portis back it may keep Ds honest enough to allow him respectability, but that's one passing attack I would avoid for sure.

 

[Chubbs]

I think if you can get Santana Moss for any top Receiver ...DO IT!

Reasons is the Targets S. Moss gets compared to others. For example:

PLAYER: YEAR TO DATE TARGETS:

Santana Moss 24

Roy Williams 40

Andre Johnosn 38

Torry Holt 52

Laveranues Coles 44

Marvin Harrison 46

Reggie Wayne 32

So do you mean to say "if you can get any top receiver for S. Moss, do it?" If so, I agree wholeheartedly.

Im sorry. I meant that if you can a receiver that has at least 10 more targets, I would consider. Teams may be blinded by the 3 TDs and I dont see Santana's Targets coming close to other receivers due to other options on WASH. Therefore, sell, sell, sell IMO.

 

[MLBrandow]

The shark move is to scoop him up.

Most disgruntled owners will be happy to move him after his first big game of the year, and so he's still a buy low.

I traded Torry Holt and Warrick Dunn for Santana Moss and Cadillac Williams.

While I Don't expect Moss to eclipse Holt, I do expect both to be solidly in the top-10, perhaps top-7 this year, and once Norwood starts getting more reps in the backfield soon, Dunn's value will diminish more. I expect Cadillac to break out of his rut starting this week....

 

[turnit643]

Moss was just dealt in our league this week. His owner had some depth at WR and jumped on the big week for Santana to deal him for a 5th round pick next year that could turn into a 4th depending on Moss' performance the rest of the way.

 

[SSOG]

The shark move is to scoop him up.Most disgruntled owners will be happy to move him after his first big game of the year, and so he's still a buy low.I traded Torry Holt and Warrick Dunn for Santana Moss and Cadillac Williams.While I Don't expect Moss to eclipse Holt, I do expect both to be solidly in the top-10, perhaps top-7 this year, and once Norwood starts getting more reps in the backfield soon, Dunn's value will diminish more. I expect Cadillac to break out of his rut starting this week....

Wow, I *really* dislike that deal from your standpoint. You just took a huge downgrade at two positions and got nothing in return, imo.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

After I benched Moss this weekend and he went off, I have received the following offers for him (each from a different owner in my league) -1. Randy Moss for Santana Moss (no thanks, unless Oakland finds a QB and an offensive line)2. Hines Ward for Santana Moss (Big Ben hasn't impressed, I think I will pass - but not a horrible offer)3. Jerricho Cotchery and Bernard Berrian for Santana Moss and Isaac Bruce (get real)4. Samie Parker and Eddie Kennison for Santana Moss (no thanks)however, I got an interesting offer that I am going to take once the other owner makes the offer official -5. Reggie Wayne for Santana Moss

Did this trade happen?I offered the Moss to the Wayne owner in my league. He was late in getting back to me, however, he is interested in discussing this further for next week. Another week works for me. I wan't to see more of the Al Saunders play book before pulling the trigger on Moss for Wayne.

He backed off when I told him I was interested in the trade. When I follwoed up with him, he said he wanted to give Wayne one more week.

 

[mlball77]

The shark move is to scoop him up.Most disgruntled owners will be happy to move him after his first big game of the year, and so he's still a buy low.I traded Torry Holt and Warrick Dunn for Santana Moss and Cadillac Williams.While I Don't expect Moss to eclipse Holt, I do expect both to be solidly in the top-10, perhaps top-7 this year, and once Norwood starts getting more reps in the backfield soon, Dunn's value will diminish more. I expect Cadillac to break out of his rut starting this week....

Wow, I *really* dislike that deal from your standpoint. You just took a huge downgrade at two positions and got nothing in return, imo.

I don't know about getting nothing in return, but I agree that it was a downgrade at two positions. In a dynasty league if you're looking toward the future the trade is solid though, imo... but quite bad in a redraft; especially if its a PPR league, which increases Holt's value and markedly decreases Moss'. On topic, I think Moss is somewhere between a hold and sell. You could sell after one big week, but in the Saunders offense he could be special, so holding right now may be the best way to go. The only way he is a good buy currently is if he goes fairly cheap and its not a PPR, imo.

 

[PatsWillWin]

The shark move is to scoop him up.Most disgruntled owners will be happy to move him after his first big game of the year, and so he's still a buy low.I traded Torry Holt and Warrick Dunn for Santana Moss and Cadillac Williams.While I Don't expect Moss to eclipse Holt, I do expect both to be solidly in the top-10, perhaps top-7 this year, and once Norwood starts getting more reps in the backfield soon, Dunn's value will diminish more. I expect Cadillac to break out of his rut starting this week....

Wow, I *really* dislike that deal from your standpoint. You just took a huge downgrade at two positions and got nothing in return, imo.

Redraft league - pretty bad trade.Dynasty league - I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's not a dynasty league. :X