Scott Walker WI governor vs the Packers & teachers (1 Viewer)

[Jobber]

This case goes beyond your hypothetical, since the policies in question have a significant impact to their livelihoods. I just don't think its unreasonably for people who are having their jobs and collective bargaining rights threatened to stop being a customer of a company that is helping to bankroll the political effort against them.

I guess I just don't see the collective bargaining rights as that big a deal. While it might seem to those public sector employees in Wisconsin that they're getting destroyed in this process, 20 other states don't allow collective bargaining by public employees either. Are public workers in those states really that much worse off?

Perhaps you would feel differently if you were a union member in WI. That is beside the point though. These people have decided that this is a big deal to them personally and are trying to hit their opponents where it really hurts, their wallets. I think that is reasonable response and don't see how that makes people sheep.

Should employers hire and fire people based upon their political donations? It is a petty action that just heightens the political divide in this country. Win debates on their merits and stop the goon tactics.

I don't think its much of a stretch that if such boycotts continue, that firing an employee for their donations could be tried. If an employee donates to a politician and that donation results in a huge protest/boycott that costs the company a lot of business, it would be silly to not think of that as an option.

Please make this happen! I'd be able to retire at 38 from the settlement I get.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The standard of living of poor people in the US today is higher than all but the richest (thinking kings and other monarch type rulers) that existed at most points in history.

And never mind the fact that K-12 teachers, fire fighters, police officers, etc. aren't poor. All of these are middle-class jobs.

 

[Statorama]

The bought and paid for Sheboygan County school board is hurriedly meeting today in an effort to extend the current teacher contract in an effort to keep the teacher perks (very little paid toward healthcare, nothing towards a fat pension, etc) before Governor Walker can sign the bill into law.

Why would you purposely hamstring your own school districts like this? You know that Governor Walker is going to slash funding to municipalities. Oh, right, teacher perks are worth more than the people that are going to have to be laid off.

THIS is a prime example of what I mean by the union being on both sides of the "negotiating" table with no one looking out for the taxpayers.

Further evidence of how deep the cancer of public employee unions run in Wisconsin.

Sheboygan County School board.....SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME

 

[jon_mx]

According to two of the biggest Union supporters on my facebook.. .this is going to turn "middle class" into "third world country" type living... and yes, those are the exact words they used... third world country...

Our measured income inequality is already worse than many 3rd world countries. But, yes, suggesting that living standards of the middle class will decline to the level of 3rd world countries is certainly hyperbole.

Income inequality? What a BS stat. These poor people, riding around in their brand new trucks, living in some 2000 sq. ft. home, watching cable TV on their 60" screen, making calls on their smart phone, going out for diner whenever they are in the mood. Yeah, let's make some stupid hyperbole argument about being just like 3rd world countries.

I guess it has about the same merit as a stupid hyperbolic argument about how good the poor have it. You are an excellent example of the other side of the same coin as what playin4beer described. Congrats.

How is my argument a hyperbole??? My characterization is very typical of the standard of living a public service employee in the state of Wisconsin would have. It is idiotic though to suggest they are on the verge of living like some third world country should some of their collective bargaining rights be taken away.

 

[BigJohn]

Officially Signed.

 

[Slapdash]

This case goes beyond your hypothetical, since the policies in question have a significant impact to their livelihoods. I just don't think its unreasonably for people who are having their jobs and collective bargaining rights threatened to stop being a customer of a company that is helping to bankroll the political effort against them.

I guess I just don't see the collective bargaining rights as that big a deal. While it might seem to those public sector employees in Wisconsin that they're getting destroyed in this process, 20 other states don't allow collective bargaining by public employees either. Are public workers in those states really that much worse off?

Perhaps you would feel differently if you were a union member in WI. That is beside the point though. These people have decided that this is a big deal to them personally and are trying to hit their opponents where it really hurts, their wallets. I think that is reasonable response and don't see how that makes people sheep.

What made them sheep was running to the bank not with the thought that some execs donated...but with thoughts that the bank itself was backing Walker.

Yeah, silly them for thinking that the executives preferences line up with the preferences of the company that they are running.

 

[Slapdash]

This case goes beyond your hypothetical, since the policies in question have a significant impact to their livelihoods. I just don't think its unreasonably for people who are having their jobs and collective bargaining rights threatened to stop being a customer of a company that is helping to bankroll the political effort against them.

I guess I just don't see the collective bargaining rights as that big a deal. While it might seem to those public sector employees in Wisconsin that they're getting destroyed in this process, 20 other states don't allow collective bargaining by public employees either. Are public workers in those states really that much worse off?

Perhaps you would feel differently if you were a union member in WI. That is beside the point though. These people have decided that this is a big deal to them personally and are trying to hit their opponents where it really hurts, their wallets. I think that is reasonable response and don't see how that makes people sheep.

Sheep might not be the right word, but tilting at windmills comes to mind.

Yeah I doubt it will be very effective.

 

[jon_mx]

The bought and paid for Sheboygan County school board is hurriedly meeting today in an effort to extend the current teacher contract in an effort to keep the teacher perks (very little paid toward healthcare, nothing towards a fat pension, etc) before Governor Walker can sign the bill into law.Why would you purposely hamstring your own school districts like this? You know that Governor Walker is going to slash funding to municipalities. Oh, right, teacher perks are worth more than the people that are going to have to be laid off.THIS is a prime example of what I mean by the union being on both sides of the "negotiating" table with no one looking out for the taxpayers.Further evidence of how deep the cancer of public employee unions run in Wisconsin.Sheboygan County School board.....SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME

Yep. They have the wolves guarding the hen house. The worse part is we are making unfunded promises for future pensions which will strap our children so that even getting basic services out of government will be impossible because we have to meet past obligations. A bunch of paid for union whores who say screw the interest of the taxpayers whom they are suppose to represent.

 

[jon_mx]

It is a shame the death and bomb threats did not work. Can they now go to homes of people and threaten their children? That might work.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Officially Signed.

Why thumbdown?

 

[Joseph]

This case goes beyond your hypothetical, since the policies in question have a significant impact to their livelihoods. I just don't think its unreasonably for people who are having their jobs and collective bargaining rights threatened to stop being a customer of a company that is helping to bankroll the political effort against them.

I guess I just don't see the collective bargaining rights as that big a deal. While it might seem to those public sector employees in Wisconsin that they're getting destroyed in this process, 20 other states don't allow collective bargaining by public employees either. Are public workers in those states really that much worse off?

Perhaps you would feel differently if you were a union member in WI. That is beside the point though. These people have decided that this is a big deal to them personally and are trying to hit their opponents where it really hurts, their wallets. I think that is reasonable response and don't see how that makes people sheep.

Sheep might not be the right word, but tilting at windmills comes to mind.

Yeah I doubt it will be very effective.

Even if it is effective in hurting the bank, the people who suffer will be the tellers and other lower level employees (read middle class) who get laid off because of loss of business...

 

[Slapdash]

According to two of the biggest Union supporters on my facebook.. .this is going to turn "middle class" into "third world country" type living... and yes, those are the exact words they used... third world country...

Our measured income inequality is already worse than many 3rd world countries. But, yes, suggesting that living standards of the middle class will decline to the level of 3rd world countries is certainly hyperbole.

Income inequality? What a BS stat. These poor people, riding around in their brand new trucks, living in some 2000 sq. ft. home, watching cable TV on their 60" screen, making calls on their smart phone, going out for diner whenever they are in the mood. Yeah, let's make some stupid hyperbole argument about being just like 3rd world countries.

I guess it has about the same merit as a stupid hyperbolic argument about how good the poor have it. You are an excellent example of the other side of the same coin as what playin4beer described. Congrats.

How is my argument a hyperbole??? My characterization is very typical of the standard of living a public service employee in the state of Wisconsin would have. It is idiotic though to suggest they are on the verge of living like some third world country should some of their collective bargaining rights be taken away.

About as idiotic as suggesting a poor person is doing the things your describe.

 

[Schlzm]

This case goes beyond your hypothetical, since the policies in question have a significant impact to their livelihoods. I just don't think its unreasonably for people who are having their jobs and collective bargaining rights threatened to stop being a customer of a company that is helping to bankroll the political effort against them.

I guess I just don't see the collective bargaining rights as that big a deal. While it might seem to those public sector employees in Wisconsin that they're getting destroyed in this process, 20 other states don't allow collective bargaining by public employees either. Are public workers in those states really that much worse off?

Perhaps you would feel differently if you were a union member in WI. That is beside the point though. These people have decided that this is a big deal to them personally and are trying to hit their opponents where it really hurts, their wallets. I think that is reasonable response and don't see how that makes people sheep.

What made them sheep was running to the bank not with the thought that some execs donated...but with thoughts that the bank itself was backing Walker.

Yeah, silly them for thinking that the executives preferences line up with the preferences of the company that they are running.

You have a point here. I think I heard that the CEO of Texaco was a racist. Let's go storm all the gas stations and pummel the clerks and burn the joint to the ground in protest!!!! Schlzm

 

[Jobber]

Officially Signed.

Why thumbdown?

Maybe he's a union member and thus they look like when in a prone position.

 

[BigJohn]

Officially Signed.

Why thumbdown?

Because I don't agree with the bill.

 

[Joseph]

According to two of the biggest Union supporters on my facebook.. .this is going to turn "middle class" into "third world country" type living... and yes, those are the exact words they used... third world country...

Our measured income inequality is already worse than many 3rd world countries. But, yes, suggesting that living standards of the middle class will decline to the level of 3rd world countries is certainly hyperbole.

Income inequality? What a BS stat. These poor people, riding around in their brand new trucks, living in some 2000 sq. ft. home, watching cable TV on their 60" screen, making calls on their smart phone, going out for diner whenever they are in the mood. Yeah, let's make some stupid hyperbole argument about being just like 3rd world countries.

I guess it has about the same merit as a stupid hyperbolic argument about how good the poor have it. You are an excellent example of the other side of the same coin as what playin4beer described. Congrats.

How is my argument a hyperbole??? My characterization is very typical of the standard of living a public service employee in the state of Wisconsin would have. It is idiotic though to suggest they are on the verge of living like some third world country should some of their collective bargaining rights be taken away.

About as idiotic as suggesting a poor person is doing the things your describe.

You're right, I'm sure there's no Wisconsin teachers who live a lifestyle like that.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Officially Signed.

Why thumbdown?

Because I don't agree with the bill.

Oh, ok. I didn't remember you in the thread so I wasn't sure where you were going.

 

[jon_mx]

These politicians are hoodwinking the people. I do not believe these states are as broke as they are making them out to be. Our previous governor said he was leaving the state with a surplus and Branstad acts like we are about ready to shut the doors and turn the lights out. His solution to the problem, cut the corporate tax rate in half. Then out of the other side of his mouth he is going to cut everything to the bone, except his salary of course. The guy will turn this state into the bottom of the barrel by the time he is done.

I think these unfunded pension plans are much worse than they are made out to be, but regardless of how massive they may be, it is an unethical burden to be placed on future generations.

 

[Slapdash]

According to two of the biggest Union supporters on my facebook.. .this is going to turn "middle class" into "third world country" type living... and yes, those are the exact words they used... third world country...

Our measured income inequality is already worse than many 3rd world countries. But, yes, suggesting that living standards of the middle class will decline to the level of 3rd world countries is certainly hyperbole.

Income inequality? What a BS stat. These poor people, riding around in their brand new trucks, living in some 2000 sq. ft. home, watching cable TV on their 60" screen, making calls on their smart phone, going out for diner whenever they are in the mood. Yeah, let's make some stupid hyperbole argument about being just like 3rd world countries.

I guess it has about the same merit as a stupid hyperbolic argument about how good the poor have it. You are an excellent example of the other side of the same coin as what playin4beer described. Congrats.

How is my argument a hyperbole??? My characterization is very typical of the standard of living a public service employee in the state of Wisconsin would have. It is idiotic though to suggest they are on the verge of living like some third world country should some of their collective bargaining rights be taken away.

About as idiotic as suggesting a poor person is doing the things your describe.

You're right, I'm sure there's no Wisconsin teachers who live a lifestyle like that.

His initial post in this said poor people, as did mine.

 

[Slapdash]

This case goes beyond your hypothetical, since the policies in question have a significant impact to their livelihoods. I just don't think its unreasonably for people who are having their jobs and collective bargaining rights threatened to stop being a customer of a company that is helping to bankroll the political effort against them.

I guess I just don't see the collective bargaining rights as that big a deal. While it might seem to those public sector employees in Wisconsin that they're getting destroyed in this process, 20 other states don't allow collective bargaining by public employees either. Are public workers in those states really that much worse off?

Perhaps you would feel differently if you were a union member in WI. That is beside the point though. These people have decided that this is a big deal to them personally and are trying to hit their opponents where it really hurts, their wallets. I think that is reasonable response and don't see how that makes people sheep.

What made them sheep was running to the bank not with the thought that some execs donated...but with thoughts that the bank itself was backing Walker.

Yeah, silly them for thinking that the executives preferences line up with the preferences of the company that they are running.

You have a point here. I think I heard that the CEO of Texaco was a racist. Let's go storm all the gas stations and pummel the clerks and burn the joint to the ground in protest!!!! Schlzm

What a poor attempt at comparing the two situations.

 

[jon_mx]

According to two of the biggest Union supporters on my facebook.. .this is going to turn "middle class" into "third world country" type living... and yes, those are the exact words they used... third world country...

Our measured income inequality is already worse than many 3rd world countries. But, yes, suggesting that living standards of the middle class will decline to the level of 3rd world countries is certainly hyperbole.

Income inequality? What a BS stat. These poor people, riding around in their brand new trucks, living in some 2000 sq. ft. home, watching cable TV on their 60" screen, making calls on their smart phone, going out for diner whenever they are in the mood. Yeah, let's make some stupid hyperbole argument about being just like 3rd world countries.

I guess it has about the same merit as a stupid hyperbolic argument about how good the poor have it. You are an excellent example of the other side of the same coin as what playin4beer described. Congrats.

How is my argument a hyperbole??? My characterization is very typical of the standard of living a public service employee in the state of Wisconsin would have. It is idiotic though to suggest they are on the verge of living like some third world country should some of their collective bargaining rights be taken away.

About as idiotic as suggesting a poor person is doing the things your describe.

The "poor" person I talk about is the "middle class" whom the union idiots compared to people in third world countries. You need to keep the context of the conversation. I was clear exactly who I was referring to.

 

[Joseph]

According to two of the biggest Union supporters on my facebook.. .this is going to turn "middle class" into "third world country" type living... and yes, those are the exact words they used... third world country...

Our measured income inequality is already worse than many 3rd world countries. But, yes, suggesting that living standards of the middle class will decline to the level of 3rd world countries is certainly hyperbole.

Income inequality? What a BS stat. These poor people, riding around in their brand new trucks, living in some 2000 sq. ft. home, watching cable TV on their 60" screen, making calls on their smart phone, going out for diner whenever they are in the mood. Yeah, let's make some stupid hyperbole argument about being just like 3rd world countries.

I guess it has about the same merit as a stupid hyperbolic argument about how good the poor have it. You are an excellent example of the other side of the same coin as what playin4beer described. Congrats.

How is my argument a hyperbole??? My characterization is very typical of the standard of living a public service employee in the state of Wisconsin would have. It is idiotic though to suggest they are on the verge of living like some third world country should some of their collective bargaining rights be taken away.

About as idiotic as suggesting a poor person is doing the things your describe.

You're right, I'm sure there's no Wisconsin teachers who live a lifestyle like that.

His initial post in this said poor people, as did mine.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

Officially Signed.

Why thumbdown?

Maybe he's a union member and thus they look like when in a prone position.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

This case goes beyond your hypothetical, since the policies in question have a significant impact to their livelihoods. I just don't think its unreasonably for people who are having their jobs and collective bargaining rights threatened to stop being a customer of a company that is helping to bankroll the political effort against them.

I guess I just don't see the collective bargaining rights as that big a deal. While it might seem to those public sector employees in Wisconsin that they're getting destroyed in this process, 20 other states don't allow collective bargaining by public employees either. Are public workers in those states really that much worse off?

Perhaps you would feel differently if you were a union member in WI. That is beside the point though. These people have decided that this is a big deal to them personally and are trying to hit their opponents where it really hurts, their wallets. I think that is reasonable response and don't see how that makes people sheep.

Should employers hire and fire people based upon their political donations? It is a petty action that just heightens the political divide in this country. Win debates on their merits and stop the goon tactics.

Only when my side does is it to be considered patriotism and shows the outrage of the American people- something our founding fathers embraced.Free market at its finest.

 

[Schlzm]

This case goes beyond your hypothetical, since the policies in question have a significant impact to their livelihoods. I just don't think its unreasonably for people who are having their jobs and collective bargaining rights threatened to stop being a customer of a company that is helping to bankroll the political effort against them.

I guess I just don't see the collective bargaining rights as that big a deal. While it might seem to those public sector employees in Wisconsin that they're getting destroyed in this process, 20 other states don't allow collective bargaining by public employees either. Are public workers in those states really that much worse off?

Perhaps you would feel differently if you were a union member in WI. That is beside the point though. These people have decided that this is a big deal to them personally and are trying to hit their opponents where it really hurts, their wallets. I think that is reasonable response and don't see how that makes people sheep.

What made them sheep was running to the bank not with the thought that some execs donated...but with thoughts that the bank itself was backing Walker.

Yeah, silly them for thinking that the executives preferences line up with the preferences of the company that they are running.

You have a point here. I think I heard that the CEO of Texaco was a racist. Let's go storm all the gas stations and pummel the clerks and burn the joint to the ground in protest!!!! Schlzm

What a poor attempt at comparing the two situations.

I jumped right to an extreme example but the people who are going to suffer from actions such as those taken by the union ######s are those front line employees who are middle class. Everyone wants to scream and yell about protecting the children and the middle class blah blah blah but when you get down to it no one gives a damn about anyone beyond themselves. Stop putting up a false front about trying to help anyone out other than your own bottom line people, many would respect the honesty.Schlzm

 

[jon_mx]

According to two of the biggest Union supporters on my facebook.. .this is going to turn "middle class" into "third world country" type living... and yes, those are the exact words they used... third world country...

Our measured income inequality is already worse than many 3rd world countries. But, yes, suggesting that living standards of the middle class will decline to the level of 3rd world countries is certainly hyperbole.

Income inequality? What a BS stat. These poor people, riding around in their brand new trucks, living in some 2000 sq. ft. home, watching cable TV on their 60" screen, making calls on their smart phone, going out for diner whenever they are in the mood. Yeah, let's make some stupid hyperbole argument about being just like 3rd world countries.

Original posts...."these poor people" was referring to the middle class who apparently are about to decline to the standard of living of third world countries.

 

[Slapdash]

According to two of the biggest Union supporters on my facebook.. .this is going to turn "middle class" into "third world country" type living... and yes, those are the exact words they used... third world country...

Our measured income inequality is already worse than many 3rd world countries. But, yes, suggesting that living standards of the middle class will decline to the level of 3rd world countries is certainly hyperbole.

Income inequality? What a BS stat. These poor people, riding around in their brand new trucks, living in some 2000 sq. ft. home, watching cable TV on their 60" screen, making calls on their smart phone, going out for diner whenever they are in the mood. Yeah, let's make some stupid hyperbole argument about being just like 3rd world countries.

I guess it has about the same merit as a stupid hyperbolic argument about how good the poor have it. You are an excellent example of the other side of the same coin as what playin4beer described. Congrats.

How is my argument a hyperbole??? My characterization is very typical of the standard of living a public service employee in the state of Wisconsin would have. It is idiotic though to suggest they are on the verge of living like some third world country should some of their collective bargaining rights be taken away.

About as idiotic as suggesting a poor person is doing the things your describe.

You're right, I'm sure there's no Wisconsin teachers who live a lifestyle like that.

His initial post in this said poor people, as did mine.

Here is his post making a common and mistaken argument against income inequality by appealing to the awesome living standards of the poor:

Income inequality? What a BS stat. These poor people, riding around in their brand new trucks, living in some 2000 sq. ft. home, watching cable TV on their 60" screen, making calls on their smart phone, going out for diner whenever they are in the mood. Yeah, let's make some stupid hyperbole argument about being just like 3rd world countries.

If he is changing his train of thought from arguing against the existence of income inequality to arguing about how good the union members have it I don't see it in this post.

 

[timschochet]

Politcally speaking, the Japanese tragedy will affect the Wisconsin situation quite significantly, IMO. For the unions and protestors to keep this story going now that Walker has signed the bill, they needed a massive protest this weekend, which might lead to recalls, more protests, etc. But a big part of that is news coverage. And now we know that the bulk of the news coverage- at least 90% or more, is going to be devoted to Japan for several days. There will be very liitle coverage of the protests, which means that, in terms of public perception, they won't have taken place. Without news coverage the entire story is going to simmer down.

 

[jon_mx]

If he is changing his train of thought from arguing against the existence of income inequality to arguing about how good the union members have it I don't see it in this post.

Way to not include the posts I was responding too in which ONLY the middle class was discussed. The key word was 'these" meaning, the people we were talking about....middle class.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Politcally speaking, the Japanese tragedy will affect the Wisconsin situation quite significantly, IMO. For the unions and protestors to keep this story going now that Walker has signed the bill, they needed a massive protest this weekend, which might lead to recalls, more protests, etc. But a big part of that is news coverage. And now we know that the bulk of the news coverage- at least 90% or more, is going to be devoted to Japan for several days. There will be very liitle coverage of the protests, which means that, in terms of public perception, they won't have taken place. Without news coverage the entire story is going to simmer down.

Japan doesn't have anything to do with this. It was only a national story as long as the Democratic legislators were holding out, which was essentially the whole point of the exercise. It will pick back up as a national story once the expected recall initiatives start to hit.

 

[Schlzm]

Our measured income inequality is already worse than many 3rd world countries. But, yes, suggesting that living standards of the middle class will decline to the level of 3rd world countries is certainly hyperbole.

Income inequality? What a BS stat. These poor people, riding around in their brand new trucks, living in some 2000 sq. ft. home, watching cable TV on their 60" screen, making calls on their smart phone, going out for diner whenever they are in the mood. Yeah, let's make some stupid hyperbole argument about being just like 3rd world countries.

I guess it has about the same merit as a stupid hyperbolic argument about how good the poor have it. You are an excellent example of the other side of the same coin as what playin4beer described. Congrats.

How is my argument a hyperbole??? My characterization is very typical of the standard of living a public service employee in the state of Wisconsin would have. It is idiotic though to suggest they are on the verge of living like some third world country should some of their collective bargaining rights be taken away.

About as idiotic as suggesting a poor person is doing the things your describe.

You're right, I'm sure there's no Wisconsin teachers who live a lifestyle like that.

His initial post in this said poor people, as did mine.

Here is his post making a common and mistaken argument against income inequality by appealing to the awesome living standards of the poor:

Income inequality? What a BS stat. These poor people, riding around in their brand new trucks, living in some 2000 sq. ft. home, watching cable TV on their 60" screen, making calls on their smart phone, going out for diner whenever they are in the mood. Yeah, let's make some stupid hyperbole argument about being just like 3rd world countries.

If he is changing his train of thought from arguing against the existence of income inequality to arguing about how good the union members have it I don't see it in this post.

You are aware that the word poor has more than one definition correct? I read his post not as poor as in financially destitute...Schlzm

 

[timschochet]

Politcally speaking, the Japanese tragedy will affect the Wisconsin situation quite significantly, IMO. For the unions and protestors to keep this story going now that Walker has signed the bill, they needed a massive protest this weekend, which might lead to recalls, more protests, etc. But a big part of that is news coverage. And now we know that the bulk of the news coverage- at least 90% or more, is going to be devoted to Japan for several days. There will be very liitle coverage of the protests, which means that, in terms of public perception, they won't have taken place. Without news coverage the entire story is going to simmer down.

Japan doesn't have anything to do with this. It was only a national story as long as the Democratic legislators were holding out, which was essentially the whole point of the exercise. It will pick back up as a national story once the expected recall initiatives start to hit.

My point is that the protests this weekend were going to be a huge deal. Now they're not.

 

[Slapdash]

According to two of the biggest Union supporters on my facebook.. .this is going to turn "middle class" into "third world country" type living... and yes, those are the exact words they used... third world country...

Our measured income inequality is already worse than many 3rd world countries. But, yes, suggesting that living standards of the middle class will decline to the level of 3rd world countries is certainly hyperbole.

Income inequality? What a BS stat. These poor people, riding around in their brand new trucks, living in some 2000 sq. ft. home, watching cable TV on their 60" screen, making calls on their smart phone, going out for diner whenever they are in the mood. Yeah, let's make some stupid hyperbole argument about being just like 3rd world countries.

Original posts...."these poor people" was referring to the middle class who apparently are about to decline to the standard of living of third world countries.

Starting by responding to my point about income inequality and referring to a group of "poor people" is not a very clear way of indicating you talking about the middle class. Whatever though, sorry if I misunderstood your post.

 

[jon_mx]

Starting by responding to my point about income inequality and referring to a group of "poor people" is not a very clear way of indicating you talking about the middle class. Whatever though, sorry if I misunderstood your post.

In the context, poor might have been a poor choice of words. Being sarcastic probably did not help. But in my book, income inequity is commonly rich vs. working class.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Politcally speaking, the Japanese tragedy will affect the Wisconsin situation quite significantly, IMO. For the unions and protestors to keep this story going now that Walker has signed the bill, they needed a massive protest this weekend, which might lead to recalls, more protests, etc. But a big part of that is news coverage. And now we know that the bulk of the news coverage- at least 90% or more, is going to be devoted to Japan for several days. There will be very liitle coverage of the protests, which means that, in terms of public perception, they won't have taken place. Without news coverage the entire story is going to simmer down.

Japan doesn't have anything to do with this. It was only a national story as long as the Democratic legislators were holding out, which was essentially the whole point of the exercise. It will pick back up as a national story once the expected recall initiatives start to hit.

My point is that the protests this weekend were going to be a huge deal. Now they're not.

They'll probably be just as big a deal locally, there just won't be as many people watching them (or more likely tuning them out). There have been non-stop protests and coverage for three weeks. No one's mind is being changed at this point.

 

[Schlzm]

Starting by responding to my point about income inequality and referring to a group of "poor people" is not a very clear way of indicating you talking about the middle class. Whatever though, sorry if I misunderstood your post.

In the context, poor might have been a poor choice of words. Being sarcastic probably did not help. But in my book, income inequity is commonly rich vs. working class.

Don't beat yourself up John. Just because your words can't afford to gild themselves in a fancy typeface or trendy color scheme doesn't lessen their grammatic relevancy. Schlzm

 

[Jobber]

I'm not sure how much traction the recall(s) will have.

Once the local newspapers start reporting on the predicted savings in the school districts, the average person will lose interest in recalling these politicians. Union members, not so much - I'm just talking about your regular tax paying voter out there.

 

[snogger]

I'm not sure how much traction the recall(s) will have. Once the local newspapers start reporting on the predicted savings in the school districts, the average person will lose interest in recalling these politicians. Union members, not so much - I'm just talking about your regular tax paying voter out there.

It is a HOT topic right now. Considering the Recall process will take 5+ months it will lose momentum fast. Once people realize this won't happen over night, and the months drag on, people will get bored with it and move onto the next issue.Unless the economy tanks, then all bets are off

 

[phrozen]

I don't like extreme right or left when they manipulate facts to win an argument.

 

[Jobber]

I don't like extreme right or left when they manipulate facts to win an argument.

Serious sig material right there!

 

[LAUNCH]

I'm not sure how much traction the recall(s) will have. Once the local newspapers start reporting on the predicted savings in the school districts, the average person will lose interest in recalling these politicians. Union members, not so much - I'm just talking about your regular tax paying voter out there.

It is a HOT topic right now. Considering the Recall process will take 5+ months it will lose momentum fast. Once people realize this won't happen over night, and the months drag on, people will get bored with it and move onto the next issue.Unless the economy tanks, then all bets are off

I think you underestimate the union on this fight. They have all summer to keep this going.

 

[jon_mx]

I don't like extreme right or left when they manipulate facts to win an argument.

Serious sig material right there!

This is like Tim saying he does not like posters who start too many topics.

 

[jon_mx]

I'm not sure how much traction the recall(s) will have. Once the local newspapers start reporting on the predicted savings in the school districts, the average person will lose interest in recalling these politicians. Union members, not so much - I'm just talking about your regular tax paying voter out there.

It is a HOT topic right now. Considering the Recall process will take 5+ months it will lose momentum fast. Once people realize this won't happen over night, and the months drag on, people will get bored with it and move onto the next issue.Unless the economy tanks, then all bets are off

I think you underestimate the union on this fight. They have all summer to keep this going.

If that is what the unions want to spend their money and time doing, have at it. They might be able to overturn an election or two, but the governor will still be there.

 

[Schlzm]

I'm not sure how much traction the recall(s) will have. Once the local newspapers start reporting on the predicted savings in the school districts, the average person will lose interest in recalling these politicians. Union members, not so much - I'm just talking about your regular tax paying voter out there.

It is a HOT topic right now. Considering the Recall process will take 5+ months it will lose momentum fast. Once people realize this won't happen over night, and the months drag on, people will get bored with it and move onto the next issue.Unless the economy tanks, then all bets are off

I think you underestimate the union on this fight. They have all summer to keep this going.

The longer they disrupt their communities and/or make themselves look bad to the rest of the country the less local support they will receive. Dragging this on in this fashion does nothing to improve their standing.Schlzm

 

[CrossEyed]

I don't understand why more people can't see that unions have gained way too much power. I like the concept of unions but in practice I think that, for the most part, they're awful.

 

[Darrinll40]

Politcally speaking, the Japanese tragedy will affect the Wisconsin situation quite significantly, IMO. For the unions and protestors to keep this story going now that Walker has signed the bill, they needed a massive protest this weekend, which might lead to recalls, more protests, etc. But a big part of that is news coverage. And now we know that the bulk of the news coverage- at least 90% or more, is going to be devoted to Japan for several days. There will be very liitle coverage of the protests, which means that, in terms of public perception, they won't have taken place. Without news coverage the entire story is going to simmer down.

Japan doesn't have anything to do with this. It was only a national story as long as the Democratic legislators were holding out, which was essentially the whole point of the exercise. It will pick back up as a national story once the expected recall initiatives start to hit.

My point is that the protests this weekend were going to be a huge deal. Now they're not.

Maybe Gov Walker caused the earthquake just to take pressure and media off of himself this weekend?

 

[snogger]

I don't understand why more people can't see that unions have gained way too much power. I like the concept of unions but in practice I think that, for the most part, they're awful.

Whatever perverse power they have, its the same power the corporations have... buying influence from politicians. Thusly, gettings laws and regulations to benefit them.I dont understand why more people can't see that corporations have gained way too much power.

We do..Only issue is.. as a Tax payer I have no choice but to support the public employees, therefore supporting the Union Overlords that take money from those empoyees.

In regards to corporations/Private unions I have a choice to NOT buy their products if I don't want to, therefore choosing not to support those I feel I don't want to support.

See the difference??

 

[CrossEyed]

I don't understand why more people can't see that unions have gained way too much power. I like the concept of unions but in practice I think that, for the most part, they're awful.

Whatever perverse power they have, its the same power the corporations have... buying influence from politicians. Thusly, gettings laws and regulations to benefit them.I dont understand why more people can't see that corporations have gained way too much power.

OK, then let's just agree that the entire system is broken and forbid unions and corporations from giving money to any politicians. Limit contributions to individuals and put a cap on the amount.

 

[LAUNCH]

I'm not sure how much traction the recall(s) will have. Once the local newspapers start reporting on the predicted savings in the school districts, the average person will lose interest in recalling these politicians. Union members, not so much - I'm just talking about your regular tax paying voter out there.

It is a HOT topic right now. Considering the Recall process will take 5+ months it will lose momentum fast. Once people realize this won't happen over night, and the months drag on, people will get bored with it and move onto the next issue.Unless the economy tanks, then all bets are off

I think you underestimate the union on this fight. They have all summer to keep this going.

The longer they disrupt their communities and/or make themselves look bad to the rest of the country the less local support they will receive. Dragging this on in this fashion does nothing to improve their standing.Schlzm

Once school is out they aren't going to be interrupting anyone in Madison. A provision in this bill that will be getting attention is the residency requirement. This piece alone is going to have a major effect on Milwaukee and could be as big a change to the state as taking away the unions power.

 

[snogger]

I don't understand why more people can't see that unions have gained way too much power. I like the concept of unions but in practice I think that, for the most part, they're awful.

Whatever perverse power they have, its the same power the corporations have... buying influence from politicians. Thusly, gettings laws and regulations to benefit them.I dont understand why more people can't see that corporations have gained way too much power.

OK, then let's just agree that the entire system is broken and forbid unions and corporations from giving money to any politicians. Limit contributions to individuals and put a cap on the amount.