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Scottie Sheffler On Defining "Success" (1 Viewer)

Gally said:
culdeus said:
gruecd said:
Brunell4MVP said:
General Malaise said:
Serious question: can just anybody become a police officer? Are there tests or review boards or interviews? The ineptitude of some of these folks is alarming.
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Serious answer in most jurisdictions is HS degree or equivalency, pass an interview, pass a drug exam, and pass a background check. Every country, state, county, and city in the world is desperate for police officers. Low pay and high risk don't equate to the super smart and overedcuated signing up. I think trash collectors make more in our county. Like most govt jobs, there are some bright ones that love the cause and do awesome work. But the majority are there because they had limited options, and of those many don't have much common sense.
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Right. Definitely some really good ones, but a lot of people who got bullied in school and want the "power."
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I think of cops as those that were bullies in high school and want to go pro in bullying
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I know a lot of cops 99% are great people trying to do the right thing. These good ones are also quitting because of the public perception that they can't do anything good no matter how good of a cop they were. It is an absolutely no win situation for them and the ones that are good at their job (there are a lot more good ones than bad ones) eventually get beaten down so much they just give up. Soon the ratio will flip for sure.

When was the last time you saw a story about a cop doing a good job? The public/media don't want any part of those stories so they are never out there. Because of this it seems like there are only bad cops and nothing good happening. The public then base their interactions on these bad reports and immediately start escalating situations even when it isn't necessary. It gets scary for everyone (public and cops) real quick and then very bad things happen.

I don't know the answer at all but the more stuff like this happens and all cops get lumped into these poor situations the worse it will get. It's a no win situation and I cannot understand why anyone would sign up to be in law enforcement.
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I suppose it depends on which bubble you live in. Out here you can't go 5 seconds without seeing a thin blue line flag. Even in places where politics and that kind of thing aren't normal. For instance the largest gym in my suburb has high ceilings and there is a gigantic thin blue line flag (like one of those way oversized American flags you would normally see) hanging from ceiling for everyone to work out under.

I definitely think that kind of over the top thing only further emboldens some of the bad apples to further believe that they are the king authoritay with power to abuse, who then further act poorly and make the majority good cops look bad, draw publicity, and the cycle continues.

Regardless, what you've described is basically true of anything. When Boeing creates some new safety standard or did in the past that saves lives, you don't hear about it. But when they cut corners and screw one up, it's a national story. When a crane operator (empirically a significantly more dangerous job than police officer) accidentally clips a building and knocks it over, that's a story. When they successfully deliver steel beams safely in an extremely difficult scenario, we don't hear about it.

We had a police officer die in a traffic incident with a semi here a few weeks ago. You should have seen the scene for his memorial a week later. 40 miles of interstate closed for hours as literally thousands of emergency vehicles participated in the processional. Every overpass in the area (and this is a crowded area, so dozens of overpasses) closed so law enforcement/firefighters could park all of their vehicles on there, with their lights on, and hang giant American flags from the overpass and salute as the processional proceeded under. This was law enforcement from the entire state, and multiple surrounding states (had to be a pretty good time to commit a crime). The main thoroughfare for an extremely crowded city area and multiple connector streets closed for hours while emergency vehicles from even hundreds of miles away participated.


Keep in mind that video is an extremely small section of the FIRST processional. Because they re-did it a second time when the weather was better so more people could participate, and then that one took the thousands of emergency vehicles and added thousands of people standing along the route waving American flags and signs about their thankfulness for the police. It was essentially a gigantic statewide parade that you'd expect to see from WW2 soldiers returning home from victory.

Now I'm not saying this dude didn't deserve an awesome memorial/send-off, but rather illustrating that it's silly to pretend like the only publicity is bad. That profession gets by far the most public lauding/praise of any profession short of military veteran. You would never see that kind of memorial service for a logger or a delivery driver or a garbage collector or a roofer or a flight engineer or a crossing guard or a crane operator, all of which are statistically more dangerous jobs.

So yea, we've definitely taken the bad apples and instead of just accepting that they're making the whole profession take more public criticism than is probably warranted, like happens in plenty of professions (lawyers, doctors, etc) and gone SO HARD in the opposite direction that we've just emboldened a whole new sea of bad apples to double down and make things even worse.

And further remember, this isn't ONLY about bad apples ruining it for everyone. It's about the systematic protection of those bad apples. Remember, in this Scottie Scheffler case it wasn't just one guy who lost his temper. Before publicity got them to back off the whole department was already halfway down the not unusual path of lying and conspiring to protect the officer's lies while throwing the perp under the bus.
 
Gally said:
culdeus said:
gruecd said:
Brunell4MVP said:
General Malaise said:
Serious question: can just anybody become a police officer? Are there tests or review boards or interviews? The ineptitude of some of these folks is alarming.
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Serious answer in most jurisdictions is HS degree or equivalency, pass an interview, pass a drug exam, and pass a background check. Every country, state, county, and city in the world is desperate for police officers. Low pay and high risk don't equate to the super smart and overedcuated signing up. I think trash collectors make more in our county. Like most govt jobs, there are some bright ones that love the cause and do awesome work. But the majority are there because they had limited options, and of those many don't have much common sense.
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Right. Definitely some really good ones, but a lot of people who got bullied in school and want the "power."
Click to expand...
I think of cops as those that were bullies in high school and want to go pro in bullying
Click to expand...
I know a lot of cops 99% are great people trying to do the right thing. These good ones are also quitting because of the public perception that they can't do anything good no matter how good of a cop they were. It is an absolutely no win situation for them and the ones that are good at their job (there are a lot more good ones than bad ones) eventually get beaten down so much they just give up. Soon the ratio will flip for sure.

When was the last time you saw a story about a cop doing a good job? The public/media don't want any part of those stories so they are never out there. Because of this it seems like there are only bad cops and nothing good happening. The public then base their interactions on these bad reports and immediately start escalating situations even when it isn't necessary. It gets scary for everyone (public and cops) real quick and then very bad things happen.

I don't know the answer at all but the more stuff like this happens and all cops get lumped into these poor situations the worse it will get. It's a no win situation and I cannot understand why anyone would sign up to be in law enforcement.
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It would certainly help if the police departments didn't bend over backwards to protect the bad apples. It seems like in most of these cases, the police department does their best to sweep stuff under the rug until undeniable video evidence comes out to show that the cop was in the wrong.
 
I would just like to point out that this very thing happens in poor and minority communities all the time and often people (not saying this place) will comment with things like “well don’t break the law and you won’t go to jail” and “if you just listen to them nothing will happen” etc — people have had lives ruined because of ummmmm how shall I say this…overzealous cops all the time.

Hopefully there is a lesson for people in all of this but I assume there won’t be per usual. Anyhow.
 
Capella said:
I would just like to point out that this very thing happens in poor and minority communities all the time and often people (not saying this place) will comment with things like “well don’t break the law and you won’t go to jail” and “if you just listen to them nothing will happen” etc — people have had lives ruined because of ummmmm how shall I say this…overzealous cops all the time.

Hopefully there is a lesson for people in all of this but I assume there won’t be per usual. Anyhow.
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Which is why body cameras should be universal. I'm glad he turned his off - spotlights this issue.
 
CGRdrJoe said:
belljr said:
Here for regular police you need HS diploma, background test, then pass the academy.

For State Police it requires I think 2 years of college or military service or a combination of both and pass their own academy.
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this is not always a good thing :no:
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Just because it's a pre-req doesn't mean anyone with that background gets in. It's a pretty tight entry
 
Capella said:
I would just like to point out that this very thing happens in poor and minority communities all the time and often people (not saying this place) will comment with things like “well don’t break the law and you won’t go to jail” and “if you just listen to them nothing will happen” etc — people have had lives ruined because of ummmmm how shall I say this…overzealous cops all the time.

Hopefully there is a lesson for people in all of this but I assume there won’t be per usual. Anyhow.
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Thank you.
 
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