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Seahawks Michael Bennett threatened by police (1 Viewer)

Hang 10 said:
I'm sorry but your analogy is "weird" and boring. I'm not going to get into it.  
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No problem. I'm definitely weird and boring.  But if I wasn't I wouldn't write your employer a letter demanding that he take appropriate action against you for posting that ;)

 
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Henry Ford said:
Which reports?  He's given a version and the police have given a version.  Certainly in the videos I've seen many people are moving, not just Bennett.  But my point was that the issue of whether that was a gun at his head is not indicative of either party's version of events being true (except that the police seemed to be unsure of whether Bennett had a gun pointed at his head, which appears to absolutely be true.)
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Maybe its me but I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

 
Officer (placing someone in handcuffs and into the back of his cruiser, closing the door): "You understand I'm not placing you under arrest?"

:mellow:

 
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Henry Ford said:
Officer (placing someone in handcuffs and into the back of his cruiser, closing the door): "You understand I'm not placing you under arrest?"

:mellow:
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What was it called when I caught a shoplifter, put them in handcuffs and detained them in an office?  Because it's not an arrest.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
I'm an expert on this subject now that I've watched a couple months of LivePD.  There certainly seems to be a difference in being detained and being arrested.
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There's a difference between an "arrest" and being "placed under arrest."  The lawyer was just talking about Bennett being seized beyond a typical stop ("arrested").

It must be recognized that whenever a police officer accosts an individual and restrains his freedom to walk away, he has "seized" that person. 
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KCitons said:
Nope. I've worked for 6 different companies and all of them were very clear that we do not place people under arrest. We simply detain for questioning and further investigation. Once the police arrive, they are presented with the facts and decide next steps. 
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Again, "arrest" versus "placing under arrest" (formal arrest) are different things - and asking someone to step into a room for questions vs. handcuffing someone and placing them in a locked room without telling them it's for a brief questioning period are different things.  In between lies the gray.

 
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Henry Ford said:
Again, "arrest" versus "placing under arrest" (formal arrest) are different things - and asking someone to step into a room for questions vs. handcuffing someone and placing them in a locked room are different things.
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We defined it as detaining or arrest. Bennett was detained (by force due to the circumstances)  As I mentioned in another thread, they may have been able to charge him with obstruction, fleeing, and possibly resisting arrest. (Oops there's that word again)

 
KCitons said:
We defined it as detaining or arrest. Bennett was detained (by force due to the circumstances)  As I mentioned in another thread, they may have been able to charge him with obstruction, fleeing, and possibly resisting arrest. (Oops there's that word again)
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But... if he wasn't being arrested... how could he be resisting arrest?

(I know you know what I'm saying here, just joshin'.  In Nevada, resisting arrest includes a lot of stuff)

 
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KCitons said:
What was it called when I caught a shoplifter, put them in handcuffs and detained them in an office?  Because it's not an arrest.
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You're right. That's known as unlawful detainment, kidnapping, or false imprisonment. If you're not a police officer, you have no right to handcuff or hold a shoplifter in an office. I'm not sure I'd be announcing criminal conduct during your employment on a message board if I were you.

 
These guys thinking they're more of an authority on the subject of what constitutes an arrest than HF. :lmao:  

 
GroveDiesel said:
You're right. That's known as unlawful detainment, kidnapping, or false imprisonment. If you're not a police officer, you have no right to handcuff or hold a shoplifter in an office. I'm not sure I'd be announcing criminal conduct during your employment on a message board if I were you.
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How is it criminal on my part if it's in the manual?

 
tonydead said:
The video released by the cops shows him running while most of the other people were standing around watching or just getting out of their way. Then he jumps a wall.  :rolleyes:
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Busy day.

Has the fact that it now appears that he hid from, then ran from the police after having been told not to been brought up yet?

Or is this still all because hes African American?

 
Henry Ford said:
To be fair, I've very seldom been arrested.  And I'm only explaining in terms of how civil suits use it (as I'm sure that lawyer probably was as well).

@Ditkaless Wonders is the expert, not me.
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If you want comment from someone that's been arrested a few times it's pretty clear when you go from being detained to arrested.  They tell you as much, they tell you what you're being charged with and they read you your miranda rights.  It's at that moment you know instead of going home you're going down town to be booked.  I think that's what most normal people think as being "arrested" despite any legal lawyerly definition.

 
tonydead said:
If you want comment from someone that's been arrested a few times it's pretty clear when you go from being detained to arrested.  They tell you as much, they tell you what you're being charged with and they read you your miranda rights.  It's at that moment you know instead of going home you're going down town to be booked.  I think that's what most normal people think as being "arrested" despite any legal lawyerly definition.
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I agree.  Again, a lawyer was saying this, not a human being. 

 
tonydead said:
My guess:  Like a lot of these guys he got caught in a place he shouldn't have been, was probably full of alcohol and just wanted to get the F out of there as quickly as possible to avoid media scrutiny and/or fallout from coach or the league.  Then TMZ leaks the video and he has to come up with some other crap story, claiming social inequality is a convenient way to get the fingers pointed away from him.  Note: Bennett was specifically asked yesterday what he was doing and what were the circumstances just prior to the incident.  He dodged the question by saying there are some specifics he can't talk about and details he didn't want to get into.  
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Uh oh!

Las Vegas police are investigating whether Seattle Seahawks defensive lineman Michael Bennett was involved in an altercation at Drai's Nightclub inside the Cromwell Las Vegas before he was detained by police in the early morning hours of Aug. 27. 

ETA:  His original statement said he just left the fight and was on the his way back to the hotel.

 
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tonydead said:
Uh oh!

Las Vegas police are investigating whether Seattle Seahawks defensive lineman Michael Bennett was involved in an altercation at Drai's Nightclub inside the Cromwell Las Vegas before he was detained by police in the early morning hours of Aug. 27. 

ETA:  His original statement said he just left the fight and was on the his way back to the hotel.
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:popcorn:

 
tonydead said:
Uh oh!

Las Vegas police are investigating whether Seattle Seahawks defensive lineman Michael Bennett was involved in an altercation at Drai's Nightclub inside the Cromwell Las Vegas before he was detained by police in the early morning hours of Aug. 27. 

ETA:  His original statement said he just left the fight and was on the his way back to the hotel.
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Shocked! 

 
tonydead said:
Uh oh!

Las Vegas police are investigating whether Seattle Seahawks defensive lineman Michael Bennett was involved in an altercation at Drai's Nightclub inside the Cromwell Las Vegas before he was detained by police in the early morning hours of Aug. 27. 

ETA:  His original statement said he just left the fight and was on the his way back to the hotel.
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There's a big surprise. 

 
the moops said:
:lmao:
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Henry Ford said:
I don't think an employee manual trumps the law.
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So a company like Target, JC penny and Home Depot have a legal dept that knowing allows the law to be broken.

Also, I would expect the arriving officers to arrest me for false imprisonment instead of arresting the shoplifters. But they never did. Must have been bad cops.

But, I'm no lawyer.

 
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NFL not investigating Bennett as requested by the police union. But, Jesus Christ ESPN:

The NFL said Thursday it has no plans to investigate Seattle Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett's behavior during an incident in which he was detained and handcuffed by police in Las Vegas two weeks ago.
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They didn't ask them to investigate his behavior during the incident, it was his behavior on Wednesday when he accused them of being racist.   :lmao:

 
Christo said:
Not when it comes to the legal definition of what you were doing, apparently.
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So then why wasn't I, or any other person I ever knew I the field ever criminally charged. I've tackled people on a concrete parking lot, chased them through yards, brought them back in handcuffs. Still nothing. 

I can remember hitting shift change and having to wait 90 minutes for an officer to arrive. Still nothing.

 
KCitons said:
So then why wasn't I, or any other person I ever knew I the field ever criminally charged. I've tackled people on a concrete parking lot, chased them through yards, brought them back in handcuffs. Still nothing. 

I can remember hitting shift change and having to wait 90 minutes for an officer to arrive. Still nothing.
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WTF are you talking about? How is any of that relevant to determiing whether you were arresting someone?

 
KCitons said:
So then why wasn't I, or any other person I ever knew I the field ever criminally charged. I've tackled people on a concrete parking lot, chased them through yards, brought them back in handcuffs. Still nothing. 

I can remember hitting shift change and having to wait 90 minutes for an officer to arrive. Still nothing.
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I don't know. Why was a nurse arrested for refusing to give a detective a blood sample illegally?

what are the laws in your state about shopkeeper's privilege?

 
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Henry Ford said:
I don't know. Why was a nurse arrested for refusing to give a detective a blood sample illegally?

what are the laws in your state about shopkeeper's privilege?
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Don't know. Don't care at this point. No longer in the field as of 5 months ago.

Point was that people were saying that I shouldn't be talking about how I committed a crime of false imprisonment. 

Things have softened over the past few years. But it is still called a shoplifters detention, not an arrest. When the police arrive and have reviewed the evidence, they usually tell the person that they are placing them under arrest. At that point they either issue a citation or book the person.

 
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