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Sean Taylor in BIG trouble (1 Viewer)

Why do people get pleasure from other people's misery?  I'm not saying I want him off the hook.  If he did it, I hope he is punished to the full extent of the law.  However, if you have a troubled young man like Sean, you'd hope he can mature and avoid situations like this.
I don't ge tpleasure from their misery, but with the glut of stars that get away with murder, some literally, I want to see a bad seed get what he deserves. I'd prefer he didn't get into trouble in the first place. But since he (or whoever at the time) DID get himself in a pickle I'd like to see him get what he deserves. Just like any other guy that gets off on something ridiculous (like the ABC defense)Hoping that people are made to accept responibility for their actions is not the same as revelling in the fact that someone is going down. Hopefully he can turn it around but that doesn't change what he deserves for this one ("he" in general, not necessarily Taylor).
I think the overridding theme though is that when something like this happens to an athlete, many people always seem intent on assuming the worse. This has been happening with Taylor, but it can be any athlete. We have a legal system to take care of these things. I agree a lot of times athletes or high profile people get off or lesser punishment it seems. This is not fair and does need addressed. Taylor has yet to be convicted of anything yet though. Why don't we wait and see how it turns out before we completly throw guys under the bus? Even though a lot of guys are not coming out and saying it, it sure leaves the impression that they are pleased about this. Assuming guilt and guilt in the worse possible way creates this impression IMO. It's as if they are saying even though we don't know the full details yet, I hope what he did was as bad as it possibly could be so he can be made an example of. I agree if he (or anyone) did do what is speculated, he should be punished fully. I just think its in better taste to wait untill we know all the details before we castrate guys.
 
You guys have got to understand Prime...he's a massive Dallas fan, probably as serious as I am about the Redskins. His comment isn't a personal one directed towards Taylor, as much as it's a reflection of the fact that he's pleased about something negative going on with the Redskins.Like any intelligent fan of any team in the NFC East, I'm sure Prime is a bit (a small bit, to be sure), unsettled by the fact that the Redskins have had such a 'low-key' offseason, since they're usual M.O. is to be the talk of the NFL right up until September, when they do a swan dive. :hot:Despite my hatred of Daniel Snyder, and my firm belief that the team is under the 'Curse of Jack Kent Cooke', this up-til-now quiet offseason, and some of it's components, like getting SOMETHING for that malcontent Coles, and letting a division rival overpay for one year wonder Pierce, has me quietly optomistic about the direction this organization may be headed.Still scratching my head about Jason Campbell, as I'm sure they could have traded down and drafted him later, and maybe added some other picks, or they could have drafted Charlie Frye and then traded him to the Browns, but that's water under the bridge at this point. I was hoping they'd go Roddy White or Marlin Jackson with that pick, personally, but they wound up with what I feel is a solid draft. I felt Rodgers was the top CB coming out, and was shocked they actually made the right decision there, so I pretty much expected them to screw the pooch with the second pick, and it wasn't as much of a letdown as it could have been. Outside of that, they added bodies on ST, picked up a LB in McCune that most NFL personnel folks felt was a steal in the 5th, and Manuel White has made a seamless transition to HBack in the offseason camps that has the team absolutely beaming. More short range weapons for Ramsey, which is nice. I still hold fast to my statement that if David Patten is one of our starting WR come September, we're headed back to 6-10...How this situation is handled is going to tell pretty much everyone keeping tabs on the 'skins plenty about the organization...Don't sweat Prime, he's not knocking Taylor - he's just responding like I'd expect any passionate fan to do - applauding something negative going on with the organization he hates the most.

 
I agree with nittanylion. I don't think that Prime means and personal hate towards Taylor. He is just a die hard Dal fan and likes the outlook this gives them as a division rival of Wash. Its not that he is happy a great young palyer is going to jail, just that it should have a positive impact on Dal chances to beat Wash now.Hey, its not his fault his fav team is no good and needs all the help they can get. :P

 
You guys have got to understand Prime...he's a massive Dallas fan, probably as serious as I am about the Redskins. His comment isn't a personal one directed towards Taylor, as much as it's a reflection of the fact that he's pleased about something negative going on with the Redskins.

Like any intelligent fan of any team in the NFC East, I'm sure Prime is a bit (a small bit, to be sure), unsettled by the fact that the Redskins have had such a 'low-key' offseason, since they're usual M.O. is to be the talk of the NFL right up until September, when they do a swan dive. :hot:

Despite my hatred of Daniel Snyder, and my firm belief that the team is under the 'Curse of Jack Kent Cooke', this up-til-now quiet offseason, and some of it's components, like getting SOMETHING for that malcontent Coles, and letting a division rival overpay for one year wonder Pierce, has me quietly optomistic about the direction this organization may be headed.

Still scratching my head about Jason Campbell, as I'm sure they could have traded down and drafted him later, and maybe added some other picks, or they could have drafted Charlie Frye and then traded him to the Browns, but that's water under the bridge at this point. I was hoping they'd go Roddy White or Marlin Jackson with that pick, personally, but they wound up with what I feel is a solid draft. I felt Rodgers was the top CB coming out, and was shocked they actually made the right decision there, so I pretty much expected them to screw the pooch with the second pick, and it wasn't as much of a letdown as it could have been. Outside of that, they added bodies on ST, picked up a LB in McCune that most NFL personnel folks felt was a steal in the 5th, and Manuel White has made a seamless transition to HBack in the offseason camps that has the team absolutely beaming. More short range weapons for Ramsey, which is nice. I still hold fast to my statement that if David Patten is one of our starting WR come September, we're headed back to 6-10...

How this situation is handled is going to tell pretty much everyone keeping tabs on the 'skins plenty about the organization...

Don't sweat Prime, he's not knocking Taylor - he's just responding like I'd expect any passionate fan to do - applauding something negative going on with the organization he hates the most.
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I really dislike him ever since his days at scUM...Probably more so because im a FSU fan, but im not blinded by FSU homerism. If this were an FSU player, and he commited the same crime, i would not stand behind him. I would be on the opposite side of the fence.Heres how i see itHe has had this same attiude ever since he was at scUM. Played dirty, talked a bunch of trash, and didnt really have any respect for anyone besides 'Tha U.' Graduating from the shcool i despise and moving into the NFL, i actually tried to like the guy. I trid to look at him differently. I was hoping he would actually land in Det. I thought he would mature and be one hell of a ball player. Than the f0cktard spits in the face of T. J Houshmanzada. Thats just DOWNRIGHT DISREPECTFUL. I dont care what was said, but you just dont do that. Your suppose to conduct your self as a professional...you are in the NFL.Than the whole D.U.I thing. He got away with that. He beat the law, which i dont think he should have, but whatever.Than he thinks he doesnt have to return Gibbs phonecalls. Who the hell does he think he is? I wish i could just ignore my boss and still have a job.Have you noticed a trend here? He seems to think he can (and he did) get away with almost anything. Now the assault incident. MAN UP #####Karma...It has a nice way of handing out treats.

 
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Why do people get pleasure from other people's misery?  I'm not saying I want him off the hook.  If he did it, I hope he is punished to the full extent of the law.  However, if you have a troubled young man like Sean, you'd hope he can mature and avoid situations like this.
I don't ge tpleasure from their misery, but with the glut of stars that get away with murder, some literally, I want to see a bad seed get what he deserves. I'd prefer he didn't get into trouble in the first place. But since he (or whoever at the time) DID get himself in a pickle I'd like to see him get what he deserves. Just like any other guy that gets off on something ridiculous (like the ABC defense)Hoping that people are made to accept responibility for their actions is not the same as revelling in the fact that someone is going down. Hopefully he can turn it around but that doesn't change what he deserves for this one ("he" in general, not necessarily Taylor).
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Preferrably, the guy cleans up his act. If he doesn't and does something stupid (like this) you hope he gets what he deserves. I just don't get why some people wish bad things upon others, no matter how bad they are. If a loved one was a drug addict, would you wish for him to get caught buying cocaine and go to jail for 20 years, or would you wish for him to check into rehab?
 
You guys have got to understand Prime...he's a massive Dallas fan, probably as serious as I am about the Redskins. His comment isn't a personal one directed towards Taylor, as much as it's a reflection of the fact that he's pleased about something negative going on with the Redskins.

Like any intelligent fan of any team in the NFC East, I'm sure Prime is a bit (a small bit, to be sure), unsettled by the fact that the Redskins have had such a 'low-key' offseason, since they're usual M.O. is to be the talk of the NFL right up until September, when they do a swan dive. :hot:

Despite my hatred of Daniel Snyder, and my firm belief that the team is under the 'Curse of Jack Kent Cooke', this up-til-now quiet offseason, and some of it's components, like getting SOMETHING for that malcontent Coles, and letting a division rival overpay for one year wonder Pierce, has me quietly optomistic about the direction this organization may be headed.

Still scratching my head about Jason Campbell, as I'm sure they could have traded down and drafted him later, and maybe added some other picks, or they could have drafted Charlie Frye and then traded him to the Browns, but that's water under the bridge at this point. I was hoping they'd go Roddy White or Marlin Jackson with that pick, personally, but they wound up with what I feel is a solid draft. I felt Rodgers was the top CB coming out, and was shocked they actually made the right decision there, so I pretty much expected them to screw the pooch with the second pick, and it wasn't as much of a letdown as it could have been. Outside of that, they added bodies on ST, picked up a LB in McCune that most NFL personnel folks felt was a steal in the 5th, and Manuel White has made a seamless transition to HBack in the offseason camps that has the team absolutely beaming. More short range weapons for Ramsey, which is nice. I still hold fast to my statement that if David Patten is one of our starting WR come September, we're headed back to 6-10...

How this situation is handled is going to tell pretty much everyone keeping tabs on the 'skins plenty about the organization...

Don't sweat Prime, he's not knocking Taylor - he's just responding like I'd expect any passionate fan to do - applauding something negative going on with the organization he hates the most.
I guess I could understand where Prime is coming from in this situation.
 
agree with the post that compaired this to how the JaLewis affair turned out. in fact, this'll likely turn into a he-said she-said mess in which ST is acquitted.who is going to believe the prosecutors key witness - a felon in his own right?? :goodposting:

 
Clayton was just on ESPNEWS and he suggested Taylor may be suspended for a couple games due to a firearm being involved. Didn't sound like he thought Taylor would be going to jail.

 
I agree with nittanylion. I don't think that Prime means and personal hate towards Taylor. He is just a die hard Dal fan and likes the outlook this gives them as a division rival of Wash. Its not that he is happy a great young palyer is going to jail, just that it should have a positive impact on Dal chances to beat Wash now.

Hey, its not his fault his fav team is no good and needs all the help they can get. :P
So do you think it's also cool for a fan to cheer when someone on the opposite team gets injured and lays on the ground. I mean after all the fan isn't cheering for the young man getting hurt but cheering for the positive impact it'll now have on his team. Is this where you stand too?
 
I agree with nittanylion. I don't think that Prime means and personal hate towards Taylor. He is just a die hard Dal fan and likes the outlook this gives them as a division rival of Wash. Its not that he is happy a great young palyer is going to jail, just that it should have a positive impact on Dal chances to beat Wash now.

Hey, its not his fault his fav team is no good and needs all the help they can get. :P
So do you think it's also cool for a fan to cheer when someone on the opposite team gets injured and lays on the ground. I mean after all the fan isn't cheering for the young man getting hurt but cheering for the positive impact it'll now have on his team. Is this where you stand too?
There's a semantic difference here. A player accidentally hurt in the game is different than a player getting introuble with the law becuase they're stupid and act criminally. I wouldn't be glad to see Bulger crumpled and hurt (at least not the hurt part) during a sack and get knocked out of the game. But if Bulger ran in a score and headbutted the wall ala Frerotte and was out for a few weeks I'd cheer.I understand what you're saying and you have a good point but there's a differnece betwen the situations in the person's intent.

 
I agree with nittanylion.  I don't think that Prime means and personal hate towards Taylor.  He is just a die hard Dal fan and likes the outlook this gives them as a division rival of Wash.  Its not that he is happy a great young palyer is going to jail, just that it should have a positive impact on Dal chances to beat Wash now.

Hey, its not his fault his fav team is no good and needs all the help they can get. :P
So do you think it's also cool for a fan to cheer when someone on the opposite team gets injured and lays on the ground. I mean after all the fan isn't cheering for the young man getting hurt but cheering for the positive impact it'll now have on his team. Is this where you stand too?
Pretty much the same thing imho. I don't wish anybody to get hurt. But if your team is playing a big game and thier QB gets taken out, sure your a little happy for your team, not that the guy is injured.So your telling me the defense isn't elated when this happens? Now as far as booing the guy or cheering on his injury then no, I personally don't think that is right.

 
He shot into a car.

hope he can wear white socks with his new uniform!!

you know, DADE COUNTY CORRECTIONAL SERVICES
from this morning's Wash Post:No shots were fired and Taylor and Caughman left the scene before returning 10 minutes later.

At this point, police say Taylor...exited the vehicle and began assaulting one victim, swinging and missing with a closed fist before a fight ensued. Caughman, who was arrested and charged with aggravated assault on the night of the incident, chased the other victim with a baseball bat before he and Taylor fled the scene, according to the police report.

 
I agree with nittanylion. I don't think that Prime means and personal hate towards Taylor. He is just a die hard Dal fan and likes the outlook this gives them as a division rival of Wash. Its not that he is happy a great young palyer is going to jail, just that it should have a positive impact on Dal chances to beat Wash now.

Hey, its not his fault his fav team is no good and needs all the help they can get. :P
So do you think it's also cool for a fan to cheer when someone on the opposite team gets injured and lays on the ground. I mean after all the fan isn't cheering for the young man getting hurt but cheering for the positive impact it'll now have on his team. Is this where you stand too?
Pretty much the same thing imho. I don't wish anybody to get hurt. But if your team is playing a big game and thier QB gets taken out, sure your a little happy for your team, not that the guy is injured.So your telling me the defense isn't elated when this happens? Now as far as booing the guy or cheering on his injury then no, I personally don't think that is right.
Yes, I'm telling you the defense SHOULDN'T be elated when someone goes down injured on the other side in a big game. First of all, don't you want to play the best and beat the best. Otherwise critics will always point to well they only won because the QB got injured, they only won because the QB went down. You should want to beat a team when they are at there best so everyone knows you are the best. You shouldn't want to beat a team half ridden with injuries because you feel it betters your chances. I don't think you are reallyl making any sense. You are saying, oh I don't want anyone on the other team to get injured, but hey, if it happens I'll be very happy and elated????
 
I agree with nittanylion. I don't think that Prime means and personal hate towards Taylor. He is just a die hard Dal fan and likes the outlook this gives them as a division rival of Wash. Its not that he is happy a great young palyer is going to jail, just that it should have a positive impact on Dal chances to beat Wash now.

Hey, its not his fault his fav team is no good and needs all the help they can get. :P
So do you think it's also cool for a fan to cheer when someone on the opposite team gets injured and lays on the ground. I mean after all the fan isn't cheering for the young man getting hurt but cheering for the positive impact it'll now have on his team. Is this where you stand too?
I think there is a very big difference between these 2 instances. No, I do not think under ANY circumstances that fans should cheer a player getting hurt. :thumbdown:
 
If convicted, he is facing a 3 year minimumRedskins | Police & Courts: Taylor Could Face Prison Time - from www.KFFL.comMon, 6 Jun 2005 03:10:55 -0700Updating ongoing reports, Jody Foldesy, of the Washington Times, reports Washington Redskins S Sean Taylor could face a mandatory minimum sentence of at least three years in prison if convicted of a felony charge of aggravated assault with a firearm. Taylor has been charged with aggravated assault with a firearm, which is a third-degree felony, and simple assault, which is a first-degree misdemeanor.

 
plea bargain time, slap on the wrist, community service, anger managment and a fine.That's what my crystal ball says

 
I agree with nittanylion.  I don't think that Prime means and personal hate towards Taylor.  He is just a die hard Dal fan and likes the outlook this gives them as a division rival of Wash.  Its not that he is happy a great young palyer is going to jail, just that it should have a positive impact on Dal chances to beat Wash now.

Hey, its not his fault his fav team is no good and needs all the help they can get. :P
So do you think it's also cool for a fan to cheer when someone on the opposite team gets injured and lays on the ground. I mean after all the fan isn't cheering for the young man getting hurt but cheering for the positive impact it'll now have on his team. Is this where you stand too?
Pretty much the same thing imho. I don't wish anybody to get hurt. But if your team is playing a big game and thier QB gets taken out, sure your a little happy for your team, not that the guy is injured.So your telling me the defense isn't elated when this happens? Now as far as booing the guy or cheering on his injury then no, I personally don't think that is right.
Yes, I'm telling you the defense SHOULDN'T be elated when someone goes down injured on the other side in a big game. First of all, don't you want to play the best and beat the best. Otherwise critics will always point to well they only won because the QB got injured, they only won because the QB went down. You should want to beat a team when they are at there best so everyone knows you are the best. You shouldn't want to beat a team half ridden with injuries because you feel it betters your chances. I don't think you are reallyl making any sense. You are saying, oh I don't want anyone on the other team to get injured, but hey, if it happens I'll be very happy and elated????
I think you are reading a little too deep into a lighthearted comment meant to poke fun at my rival Redskin fans. I never said I would be happy if somebody got hurt. I also said I don't think booing is OK.As far as playing the other teams best players....

Yes, I want my team to play the other teams best. Then I want them to absolutely destroy them. Put every last offensive player on their ###. Maybe I am just a fan of old school football. There is a difference between playing dirty and intentionally hurting a player and playing solid hard-nosed football. Growing up, maybe I had too many nights of NFL films about **** "Night Train" Lane, Ronnie Lott and Jim Brown. :football:

 
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I returned to town to find this news. Taylor is turning out to be the proverbial million dollar talent with the 10 cent head. I really hope he straightens himself out because he's truly a uniquely gifted player. But he's got A LOT of maturing to do.

 
Skins fans can only hope he gets off as lightly as Doss ... not likely:Colts | Police and Courts: M. Doss - from www.KFFL.comMon, 6 Jun 2005 14:44:57 -0700TheIndyChannel.com, citing NewsNet5.com, reports Indianapolis Colts S Mike Doss was sentenced Monday, June 6, to 40 hours of community service and ordered to pay $1,036 in fines and court costs for a gunfire incident in Akron. Doss pleaded guilty to charges of carrying a concealed deadly weapon and discharging a firearm within the city limits. He was also given a suspended 180-day jail sentence for the deadly weapon charge and a suspended 60-day jail sentence for the discharge count. If he can remain out of trouble for one year, he won't have to serve either of those jail terms. According to the clerk's office, charges of inducing panic and obstructing official business were dismissed.

 
wtem 980am reporting that he's been excused from the balance of voluntary camp and the mandatory minicamp later this month

 
They're (WTEM sportstalk 980) also wondering if excusing him from Minicamp and voluntary workouts is just putting a polite face on "stay away from the team, Sean". I think that's the team's real intention. They don't need the distractions. I'm guessing that, even if he's acquitted, he's going to face some bench time from the Redskins. They're awfully silent on this issue, and that means they're pretty pissed off.

 
I agree with nittanylion.  I don't think that Prime means and personal hate towards Taylor.  He is just a die hard Dal fan and likes the outlook this gives them as a division rival of Wash.  Its not that he is happy a great young palyer is going to jail, just that it should have a positive impact on Dal chances to beat Wash now.

Hey, its not his fault his fav team is no good and needs all the help they can get. :P
So do you think it's also cool for a fan to cheer when someone on the opposite team gets injured and lays on the ground. I mean after all the fan isn't cheering for the young man getting hurt but cheering for the positive impact it'll now have on his team. Is this where you stand too?
Pretty much the same thing imho. I don't wish anybody to get hurt. But if your team is playing a big game and thier QB gets taken out, sure your a little happy for your team, not that the guy is injured.So your telling me the defense isn't elated when this happens? Now as far as booing the guy or cheering on his injury then no, I personally don't think that is right.
Yes, I'm telling you the defense SHOULDN'T be elated when someone goes down injured on the other side in a big game. First of all, don't you want to play the best and beat the best. Otherwise critics will always point to well they only won because the QB got injured, they only won because the QB went down. You should want to beat a team when they are at there best so everyone knows you are the best. You shouldn't want to beat a team half ridden with injuries because you feel it betters your chances. I don't think you are reallyl making any sense. You are saying, oh I don't want anyone on the other team to get injured, but hey, if it happens I'll be very happy and elated????
I think you are reading a little too deep into a lighthearted comment meant to poke fun at my rival Redskin fans. I never said I would be happy if somebody got hurt. I also said I don't think booing is OK.As far as playing the other teams best players....

Yes, I want my team to play the other teams best. Then I want them to absolutely destroy them. Put every last offensive player on their ###. Maybe I am just a fan of old school football. There is a difference between playing dirty and intentionally hurting a player and playing solid hard-nosed football. Growing up, maybe I had too many nights of NFL films about **** "Night Train" Lane, Ronnie Lott and Jim Brown. :football:
Don't forget about Gary Fencik and Doug Plank!!! I learned a lot about how to play safety from watching those two while growing up. Yep, I'm that old, which probably goes a long way towards understanding where Prime is coming from on this.I wholeheartedly agree that there's an increased level of satisfaction that comes from beating a team at full strength or under optimal circumstances. It rules out any questions. As a matter of fact, I'm so hung up on this that in my mind, my favorite team, the Redskins, have only really 'won' one Super Bowl (against the Bills) because the other two were won in strike shortened seasons (I feel a little better about the Broncos game, as that year only one game was missed. The Dolphins year, to me is something better left unsaid).

BTW, I don't know any 'professional' atheletes who I know would be overjoyed at seeing another player get hurt while playing the game, but football is a contact sport, and injuries on the field are an inevitable consequence, even when playing touch, or flag.

No one wants to see anyone get hurt, but it's undeniable fact that when circumstances come about that an impact player on the other team during a game goes to the sidelines, the opposing team has to undergo some extremely positive feelings and a surge of confidence regarding their chances of winning (especially an underdog), when a cirumstance like this occurs.

Football's a physical game. Injuries happen. When a key player goes out of a game, I think it's perfectly natural for both the opposing team, and their fans to view it as positive, in terms of bettering their chances of winning, especially an underdog, or a team that's struggling to defend that player in that particular game. No classless ill-wishes towards the player personally, of course.

Rooting for it to happen, or cheering when it does, is a completely different story, and is contemptable, but I don't think I'm the only one who's stood in the stands watching one player kick my teams ###, and thinking to myself, or even out loud, 'Man, that guys killing us. If he was taken out of the equation, our chances of winning would improve a ton.' But I'd never wish for it to happen.

Just some additional thoughts, that, while some may view them as controversial, I think are completely natural.

 
More details in a Washington Times article.

Miami police confirmed yesterday that Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor fired no shots in Wednesday night's incident in southern Dade County, a crucial fact given Florida's stiff mandatory minimum sentences for gun crimes. Meanwhile, two sources familiar with the investigation said there is a second phase of the case in which Taylor is the apparent victim. In the first phase, according to police, Taylor pointed a gun at two victims and physically assaulted one. Subsequently, sources said, there was a retaliation in which shots were fired at Taylor. Detective Mary Walters of the Miami-Dade County Police Department, who confirmed Taylor did not fire his gun, declined comment on the second phase of the case. It was unclear when police might release information in connection to the shooting.
 
As a matter of fact, I'm so hung up on this that in my mind, my favorite team, the Redskins, have only really 'won' one Super Bowl (against the Bills) because the other two were won in strike shortened seasons (I feel a little better about the Broncos game, as that year only one game was missed. The Dolphins year, to me is something better left unsaid).
I'm a Skins loyalist with a different perspective on this. In fact, the two won during strike shortened seasons are even more impressive because the playoff field was expanded and they had to get through more teams to win it all. Won 4 games in '82. Plus, the mark of a real team is sticking together through adversity.
 
Gibbs said they have no plans at this point to suspend Taylor if he happens to be available to start the season.Apparently, Gibbs still hasn't spoken with Taylor. Gibbs said has hasn't even tried to call Taylor since the arrest. Seriously, Sean, pick up the phone and call your employer.

 
Lets see.Sean Taylor - RedskinsKellen Winslow - BrownsRoy Williams - LionsFor once in my life I can say it's good to be a Lions fan.

 
this is new information & is not good news for taylor owners who were hoping the charges would be dropped.espn is reporting that prosecutors have decided to press charges, & the trial is scheduled to begin almost at the exact same time as the regular season begins... don't know the grounds on which a trial could be delayed to later... it does happen a lot, but i have no idea how the court wields their discretion on this kind of matter. perhaps the lawyers in the SP could shed some light on the liklihood of this going to trial on time. :)not sure how this latest info fits in with gibbs statement... i forget if he said taylor has the team's permission to stay away until his legal problems are over, or how he characterized it. if taylor figures in their plans this season, & i am sure he does if he doesn't go to prison, it is hard to imagine the team being OK with him missing all of training camp & pre-season. that said, he is such a superior physical specimen, if anybody could get away with it, he could. and if DC robinson is planning on incorportaing changes, he could still communicate it to taylor... he could get "mental" reps via a computer?i think everybody is clear on this, but IF he is convicted on the charges & there is no plea bargain (doesn't sound like it as he is entering a not guilty plea), he supposedly serves no less than three years... even there, i am not sure about possibility of parole, but i think what i have read suggested FL is not a good state to get popped for brandishing a handgun... not sure if the MINIMUM connotes parole is not an option, or just that that is the minimum SENTENCE, but possibly this could differ from the actual time served. i think the former.

 
Lets see.

Sean Taylor - Redskins

Kellen Winslow - Browns

Roy Williams - Lions

For once in my life I can say it's good to be a Lions fan.
Don't forget the 2nd round pick the Lions got from the Browns, which they later traded to move up to grab Kevin Jones. :lmao: :lmao:

 
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Preferrably, the guy cleans up his act. If he doesn't and does something stupid (like this) you hope he gets what he deserves. I just don't get why some people wish bad things upon others, no matter how bad they are. If a loved one was a drug addict, would you wish for him to get caught buying cocaine and go to jail for 20 years, or would you wish for him to check into rehab?
Get a grip on reality. Taylor performed a reckless act that could have cost someone their life. He was out with his posse, ran into trouble intentionally, then waved a gun around. There are consequences for bad acting - and I AM glad that they are enforced. This isn't an injury on the football field or even the actions of a cokehead - though it would be nice to see someone actually place some blame on the cokehead for being addicted - this is a willful disregard for the lives of a substantial number of people.Taylor has everything in front of him. He can make more money in a year than I will in my entire lifetime, he can make that money doing something he loves, and he'll be working part time to do it. Does he take that amazing opportunity to seperate himself from bad actors & establish a safe & comfortable life for himself and potentially his family for generations to come? No, he goes out with his homies and places himself - note, place himself - into an altercation where he figured the best solution was to wave a loaded weapon around at people.

He deserves to go away. He doesn't belong in mainstream society. He brought this upon himself despite an unbelievable opportunity to extracate himself from this type of life. He has only himself to blame.

When a punk like this, whether they make $20,000 a year or $2,000,000 a year, gets removed from society, you're damn right I'm cheering.

 
listening right now to his attorney on the Bram winestine show on 980he maintains that all ST did was to do what any 22 yo would do when somebody ripped him off - attempt to get his stuff back. no gun, and a passed polygraph to boot.before you convict this punk, be sure to get your facts straight

 
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Preferrably, the guy cleans up his act. If he doesn't and does something stupid (like this) you hope he gets what he deserves. I just don't get why some people wish bad things upon others, no matter how bad they are. If a loved one was a drug addict, would you wish for him to get caught buying cocaine and go to jail for 20 years, or would you wish for him to check into rehab?
Get a grip on reality. Taylor performed a reckless act that could have cost someone their life. He was out with his posse, ran into trouble intentionally, then waved a gun around. There are consequences for bad acting - and I AM glad that they are enforced. This isn't an injury on the football field or even the actions of a cokehead - though it would be nice to see someone actually place some blame on the cokehead for being addicted - this is a willful disregard for the lives of a substantial number of people.Taylor has everything in front of him. He can make more money in a year than I will in my entire lifetime, he can make that money doing something he loves, and he'll be working part time to do it. Does he take that amazing opportunity to seperate himself from bad actors & establish a safe & comfortable life for himself and potentially his family for generations to come? No, he goes out with his homies and places himself - note, place himself - into an altercation where he figured the best solution was to wave a loaded weapon around at people.

He deserves to go away. He doesn't belong in mainstream society. He brought this upon himself despite an unbelievable opportunity to extracate himself from this type of life. He has only himself to blame.

When a punk like this, whether they make $20,000 a year or $2,000,000 a year, gets removed from society, you're damn right I'm cheering.
I didn't know the trial was over already. :confused:
 
listening right now to his attorney on the Bram winestine show on 980

he maintains that all ST did was to do what any 22 yo would do when somebody ripped him off - attempt to get his stuff back. no gun, and a passed polygraph to boot.

before you convict this punk, be sure to get your facts straight
Oh, well if his attorney is saying that, nevermind. I hereby nominate Taylor for the NFL Man-of-the-Year. :rolleyes: From my understanding, the polygraph was presented to police to avoid Taylor being charged, after which he was charged. That polygraph sure made a big impression with authorities.

It is also my understanding that Taylor, besides pointing a loaded weapon at people, acted specifically to escalate the confrontation by leaving the scene of the alleged theft originally & then coming back 10 minutes later with his pack of homeboys - after which a melee began, and which finally ended with Taylor's residence & vehicle being riddled with gunfire. It is further my understanding that the DA's office has refused to drop the case or bargain down after a 3rd credible witness offered evidence that Taylor did indeed perform the acts that he has been charged with.

Please tell me where I'm factually wrong here.

Now, let me think... Nope, I never did any of that when I was 22 years old. I wouldn't have thought of doing it, either, if I had found myself in his situation. So the lawyer stating that what he did was what any 22 year old would do is patently false. Except, perhaps to you & other Taylor apologists.

 
I didn't know the trial was over already. :confused:
Okay, convince me that I'm wrong. What facts do you know other than what has been reported that would justify Taylor's behavior?
In case you have forgetten, that is not my job or yours to do, much less the media. It is the job of the lawyers involved and the courts, you know the people who look over all the facts before making a final decision. Are you trying to tell me that you know all the facts and are better suited for making a final decision then them :rolleyes: Because you clearly have made YOUR final decision already.
 
In case you have forgetten, that is not my job or yours to do, much less the media. It is the job of the lawyers involved and the courts, you know the people who look over all the facts before making a final decision. Are you trying to tell me that you know all the facts and are better suited for making a final decision then them :rolleyes: Because you clearly have made YOUR final decision already.
Here is some of the information that I have read, including information from the criminal complaint:By Ihosvani Rodriguez

Miami Bureau

Posted June 25 2005

Washington Redskins safety and former University of Miami All-American Sean Taylor was charged Friday with aggravated assault with a firearm for his role in a confrontation earlier this month over a pair of stolen all-terrain vehicles.

Taylor, 22, was not present during the hearing when prosecutors announced the charges. Taylor's attorney said he mailed the court a "not guilty" plea on the player's behalf.

Authorities say that on June 1, Taylor pointed a weapon toward a group of men in South Miami-Dade and accused them of stealing his ATVs. During a second confrontation that evening, Taylor took a swing at one of the men, authorities said.

Taylor, son of Florida City Police Chief Pedro Taylor, faces a mandatory minimum prison sentence of three years if convicted and a maximum term of 16 years. Taylor also is charged with a misdemeanor count of simple battery.

Team officials, Taylor's father and agent Drew Rosenhaus declined comment.

According to an arrest affidavit, Taylor and a friend drove to a home in Miami-Dade's West Perrine neighborhood and confronted two men standing outside. Taylor pointed the gun at the men and demanded to know where the ATVs were and then drove away without firing a shot.

But he returned about 10 minutes later with a larger group of friends and a street brawl broke out. Taylor tried to punch one man but missed, said police. He then grabbed the man, Ryan Hill, 21, and began fighting with him, police said. One of Taylor's companions, Charles Caughman, chased another man with a baseball bat, police said.

Caughman faces one count of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, a felony.

But you're right. It could all be a figment of someone's imagination.

 
I sure wish I had some "homies", I think they'd match well with my posse. Anyone know where I can find some available?

 
In case you have forgetten, that is not my job or yours to do, much less the media. It is the job of the lawyers involved and the courts, you know the people who look over all the facts before making a final decision. Are you trying to tell me that you know all the facts and are better suited for making a final decision then them :rolleyes: Because you clearly have made YOUR final decision already.
Here is some of the information that I have read, including information from the criminal complaint:By Ihosvani Rodriguez

Miami Bureau

Posted June 25 2005

Washington Redskins safety and former University of Miami All-American Sean Taylor was charged Friday with aggravated assault with a firearm for his role in a confrontation earlier this month over a pair of stolen all-terrain vehicles.

Taylor, 22, was not present during the hearing when prosecutors announced the charges. Taylor's attorney said he mailed the court a "not guilty" plea on the player's behalf.

Authorities say that on June 1, Taylor pointed a weapon toward a group of men in South Miami-Dade and accused them of stealing his ATVs. During a second confrontation that evening, Taylor took a swing at one of the men, authorities said.

Taylor, son of Florida City Police Chief Pedro Taylor, faces a mandatory minimum prison sentence of three years if convicted and a maximum term of 16 years. Taylor also is charged with a misdemeanor count of simple battery.

Team officials, Taylor's father and agent Drew Rosenhaus declined comment.

According to an arrest affidavit, Taylor and a friend drove to a home in Miami-Dade's West Perrine neighborhood and confronted two men standing outside. Taylor pointed the gun at the men and demanded to know where the ATVs were and then drove away without firing a shot.

But he returned about 10 minutes later with a larger group of friends and a street brawl broke out. Taylor tried to punch one man but missed, said police. He then grabbed the man, Ryan Hill, 21, and began fighting with him, police said. One of Taylor's companions, Charles Caughman, chased another man with a baseball bat, police said.

Caughman faces one count of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, a felony.

But you're right. It could all be a figment of someone's imagination.
OK, your right and we no loner have a need for our trial and court system in this country. :wall:
 
OK, your right and we no loner have a need for our trial and court system in this country. :wall:
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend your political correctness by offering up an opinion based upon information presented by authorities in a case. What court decision was it again that outlawed opinion...
 
OK, your right and we no loner have a need for our trial and court system in this country. :wall:
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend your political correctness by offering up an opinion based upon information presented by authorities in a case. What court decision was it again that outlawed opinion...
I have no problems with your opinion on the matter, only the fact that you have tried to pass it off as FACT regarding Taylor's guilt. You very well could be right, but it has yet to be proven. I am simply trying to show you that your opinion does not equal fact in this case. I am not saying that he is guilty or not guilty, you are. I would rather wait and see as I believe there is no possible way for you or I to know all the facts from our positions which are outside that courtroom.
 
I have no problems with your opinion on the matter, only the fact that you have tried to pass it off as FACT regarding Taylor's guilt. You very well could be right, but it has yet to be proven. I am simply trying to show you that your opinion does not equal fact in this case. I am not saying that he is guilty or not guilty, you are. I would rather wait and see as I believe there is no possible way for you or I to know all the facts from our positions which are outside that courtroom.
I'd be a little careful, myself, if I were you and I were so worried about semantics & assertion of fact. Just because someone is found "not guilty" in court doesn't mean he didn't do what he was charged with. You are clearly implying that if Taylor is found not guilty that he did not commit these acts. That is not necessarily true.
 
I sure wish I had some "homies", I think they'd match well with my posse. Anyone know where I can find some available?
Taylor's just another punk ### from the 'hood', freakin idiots...like some little child in kindergarden who got his toys taken away... :cry: :cry: Throw the book at this POS

 
I'd be a little careful, myself, if I were you and I were so worried about semantics & assertion of fact. Just because someone is found "not guilty" in court doesn't mean he didn't do what he was charged with. You are clearly implying that if Taylor is found not guilty that he did not commit these acts. That is not necessarily true.
And we all know already that he's guilty even if he's found not guilty, because we have Internet connections and we just "know".
 

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