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Seastrunk - Helu (1 Viewer)

bjlmonster

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Just acquired Alfred Morris and has me wondering about who is the handcuff target here. Assuming they can be had for the same value, who is the better target for Morris owners?

I see Helu entrenched backup with experience and much better pass catcher and blocker. Concerned skins won't resign him?

I see Seastrunk as the homerun hitter with speed, but may not see the field early until he learns to catch and block.

 
bjlmonster said:
Just acquired Alfred Morris and has me wondering about who is the handcuff target here. Assuming they can be had for the same value, who is the better target for Morris owners?

I see Helu entrenched backup with experience and much better pass catcher and blocker. Concerned skins won't resign him?

I see Seastrunk as the homerun hitter with speed, but may not see the field early until he learns to catch and block.
I don't think we'll know until we see OTAs and TC, but Gruden utilized Bernard well last year, so Helu or Seastrunk could offer some FF value if either of them takes that same type of role.

 
Gruden has already said Seastrunk has a long way to go before he's the 3rd down back.

 
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For 3rd down duties, it does seem that Helu is the clear favorite, for this year. If Morris were to miss time, I don't think we know how the split of touches might shakeout (for all downs). In the latter scenario, Helu might not have such an advantage, if any, particularly with the new coaching regime in Was. Probably take a while before we get a better read.

 
Yea, seriously. You can see shades of the "character issues" just in his response to that question.

Entitled diva attitude. No wonder he has a bad reputation.

 
Something that many Redskins fans still don't even realize yet is that Helu kind of sucks. Well, that's overstating it. He's average. He's very fast in a straight line, and that's about it. He has had a couple nice highlights involving a spin move here, a hurdle there, but there's nothing special about him. His pass catching ability is very overrated, but he is a decent as blocker and that will earn him the passing down role until someone else beats him out. But there's no doubt that Gruden is looking to upgrade Helu's spot, and I don't see that going away if Seastrunk fails to be that guy.

 
All I know is Morris is going to be a solid workhorse and get more then the majority of carries and the cuff for him is going to have little impact unless he goes down. Why waste a roster spot unless you are thin.

 
Yeah my Skins were actually dumb enough to draft this piece of garbage.........worst draft I have seen out of the Skins in a long time and that's really saying something.

 
Yeah my Skins were actually dumb enough to draft this piece of garbage.........worst draft I have seen out of the Skins in a long time and that's really saying something.
While his recent comments are very offputting, I think Seastrunk was a solid upside gamble at the juncture he was selected in the draft.

 
Something that many Redskins fans still don't even realize yet is that Helu kind of sucks. Well, that's overstating it. He's average. He's very fast in a straight line, and that's about it. He has had a couple nice highlights involving a spin move here, a hurdle there, but there's nothing special about him. His pass catching ability is very overrated, but he is a decent as blocker and that will earn him the passing down role until someone else beats him out. But there's no doubt that Gruden is looking to upgrade Helu's spot, and I don't see that going away if Seastrunk fails to be that guy.
Like Helu a little more than this but would have to say I basically agree with this.

Seastrunk will have an opportunity. What he does with it who knows but I like what I see of him.

If I was a Morris owner I'd take who ever comes cheaper. Helu is well positioned to get more snaps this year but after that all bets are off (or on).

 
“You could look through our history, and if our running back has 6 catches on the season, then he needs to write home and tell momma, ‘Hey, I had a great year catching the ball,’ because that’s about the max,” Briles said of Seastrunk to 106.7 The Fan’s Grant and Danny. “We got so many good receivers, and we’re such a good vertical team, that we’re not trying to dink and dunk, I mean, we’re trying to bomb and score.”

In two seasons at Baylor, Seastrunk compiled 2,189 yards and 18 touchdowns on the ground on 289 touches. He caught just 9 passes — all in 2012 — for 107 yards and a touchdown.

“The thing that I’ve always learned — through, this will be my 36th year coaching, is — you can teach a guy to catch; you can kind of teach a guy to throw, but you can’t teach a guy to run,” Briles said. “So he’s got what you’re looking for. You want a guy to run, you want a guy that can make plays for you, teach him how to catch.”

Seastrunk was undoubtedly revered by draft analysts for his explosive speed, with which he poses a constant home run threat, but Briles did fairly warn that raw athleticism comes with a cost.

“He’s a little bit of a feast or famine guy,” Briles said. “He’s a guy that you gotta be willing to live with, because he’s liable to hit one for 85 [yards], but then he may get you a minus yard every now and then. So your personality’s gotta fit what you’re expecting out of that position. So what I would do is put him in a situation of where he definitely knew where he was supposed to go, what he’s supposed to do when he got there, and turn him loose and let him play.”

“Anytime you deal with phenomenal athletes, I mean there’s gonna be some feast and famine with them,” he said. “You just gotta roll the dice and let it go, and hope he gets you going.”
 
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All I know is Morris is going to be a solid workhorse and get more then the majority of carries and the cuff for him is going to have little impact unless he goes down. Why waste a roster spot unless you are thin.
Yeah, this is basically what I concluded about this (and many other handcuff situations). I for sure am not loaded at RB, but am not thin either. I also have spent way too many times chasing that handcuff that is nothing but dead weight on the roster. In this situation, Helu was cheaper and safer. He has proven he can block and do something with the rock.

I passed on Seastrunk at 3.02 and he went at 3.03. I then traded 3.07 for Helu. All rooks left were nothing but long shots anyway, so the price was cheap for a guy who could start in a pinch if Morris went down.

 
I drafted him at 5.04 in a 12 team ppr. kind of think i should of took Colt instead (this was pre him signing though) hindsight always 20-20

 
Chris Thompson may have something to say about all this when it shakes out. He's not huge, but at 5'8" 190 lbs he's not THAT far off of where Gio was when Gruden heavily utilized him. Thompson missed last year due to a torn labrum, but I believe in one of the RGIII recovery pieces he was trying to break the record in the weight room held by Thompson (believe it was most overall reps of a progression with things like squats, bench, pullups, etc.).

Here's what Gruden said about Thompson:

Gruden called Thompson “one of the most exciting backs” while at Florida State. But he also wondered about his durability.

“He’s a guy who has to stay healthy and do his best to get on the field so we can see what he can do,” Gruden said. “Interesting guy. He’s very, very exciting when he gets the ball in his hands, but it’s hard to get the ball in his hands when he’s not out there.”
Helu over Seastrunk for me, but I wouldn't forget about Thompson, who was a 4th rounder just last year.

 
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JohnnyU said:
cloppbeast said:
It's no guarantee that Seastrunk will even make the team.
Same could be said about Helu.
This is a joke, right ?

If anyone ends up on the PS squad, it's Seastrunk,
who said anything about PS? Hell, Helu isn't so good that he's guaranteed not to get cut. Especially if Seastrunk looks great in preseason and another RB looks serviceable as #3 and is cheap. What is Helu's salary?

Edited: Helu's salary. 22014: $1.389 million, 2015: Free Agent

 
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JohnnyU said:
cloppbeast said:
It's no guarantee that Seastrunk will even make the team.
Same could be said about Helu.
This is a joke, right ?

If anyone ends up on the PS squad, it's Seastrunk,
who said anything about PS? Hell, Helu isn't so good that he's guaranteed not to get cut. Especially if Seastrunk looks great in preseason and another RB looks serviceable as #3 and is cheap. What is Helu's salary?

Edited: Helu's salary. 22014: $1.389 million, 2015: Free Agent
This doesn't automatically mean Seastrunk will be ahead of Helu on the depth chart.

Re-structuring is very common, I just don't envision a situation where Seastrunk is Morris's

main backup while Helu is cut. It just doesn't make sense taking into accord Seastrunk's obvious limitations.

 
JohnnyU said:
cloppbeast said:
It's no guarantee that Seastrunk will even make the team.
Same could be said about Helu.
This is a joke, right ?

If anyone ends up on the PS squad, it's Seastrunk,
who said anything about PS? Hell, Helu isn't so good that he's guaranteed not to get cut. Especially if Seastrunk looks great in preseason and another RB looks serviceable as #3 and is cheap. What is Helu's salary?

Edited: Helu's salary. 22014: $1.389 million, 2015: Free Agent
This doesn't automatically mean Seastrunk will be ahead of Helu on the depth chart.

Re-structuring is very common, I just don't envision a situation where Seastrunk is Morris's

main backup while Helu is cut. It just doesn't make sense taking into accord Seastrunk's obvious limitations.
I don't either in 2014, but I sure as hell do in 2015.

 
Picked up Seastrunk in the 15th round of a startup... as the 34th rookie off the board. Essentially end of the 3rd round were it a rookie draft.

At those prices I'm definitely buying... Seastrunk may do next to nothing this 2014 year, maybe even 2015. But when you watch his highlights and how quick he is, how he's able to maneuver in such tight spaces and almost unfairly run around people, he's got huge, huge upside that the likes of Deanthony Thomas, Storm Johnson, Andre Williams, and Charles Sims just don't have.

I don't even knock him that much for being stuck behind Morris. Most every rookie RB other than Sankey is stuck behind someone, some older guys (Forte for Carey), some younger guys (Gio for Hill, Stacy for Mason), and some with both (Gore and Lattimore for Hyde, potentially). Morris isn't exactly a special back, and his value came from being perfect for the Shanny system... he may never be the same back on a pass-first team with a different blocking scheme.

There's downside to burning a roster spot to hold him for a couple of years, but the same applies for most every RB in this draft as well as for most of the WRs.

 
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Chris Thompson may have something to say about all this when it shakes out. He's not huge, but at 5'8" 190 lbs he's not THAT far off of where Gio was when Gruden heavily utilized him. Thompson missed last year due to a torn labrum, but I believe in one of the RGIII recovery pieces he was trying to break the record in the weight room held by Thompson (believe it was most overall reps of a progression with things like squats, bench, pullups, etc.).

Here's what Gruden said about Thompson:

Gruden called Thompson one of the most exciting backs while at Florida State. But he also wondered about his durability.

Hes a guy who has to stay healthy and do his best to get on the field so we can see what he can do, Gruden said. Interesting guy. Hes very, very exciting when he gets the ball in his hands, but its hard to get the ball in his hands when hes not out there.
Helu over Seastrunk for me, but I wouldn't forget about Thompson, who was a 4th rounder just last year.
only 23 years old, can't see how he isn't in the mix
 
Something that many Redskins fans still don't even realize yet is that Helu kind of sucks. Well, that's overstating it. He's average. He's very fast in a straight line, and that's about it. He has had a couple nice highlights involving a spin move here, a hurdle there, but there's nothing special about him. His pass catching ability is very overrated, but he is a decent as blocker and that will earn him the passing down role until someone else beats him out. But there's no doubt that Gruden is looking to upgrade Helu's spot, and I don't see that going away if Seastrunk fails to be that guy.
Redskins fan here... Helu isn't remotely special. He's just a guy.

However, Morris is special. It'd take an injury to him for either to have much value.

 

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